(me)
I'm not sure why I'm PM'ing you but here I am! Sorry for not crediting the artist, I wasn't thinking and I wasn't entirely sure who to credit.

(Them)
8:07 AM
Hello, it’s actually because Ashley said you were blowing things out of proportion and were in fact, not accused of tracing.
They said there was a funny and uncanny resemblance from your piece to the piece you showed, but never full on accused you of anything.
You can now call each other and see information like Active Status and when you've read messages.

(me)
10:52 AM
When I'm asked to provide Proof of other drawings in the same pose and asked why i drew something the way I did, it's accusatory. I was required to provide Evidence that I didn't steal the idea.
I apologize for my reaction. I still think it's offensive that I had spent a few days doing nothing but drawing and communicating, and then for my integrity as an Artist to be dragged into question like that.
The situation was offensive and I reacted.

(them)
You should react by talking it through with them first before making a post on FB.
We all mocked or dragged them, and people suggested you dropped the commissioner, when all they did was go “?? Because boy was this coinicidentally similar!”
And they are, but it also is a generic post.
I’ve talked with the owner of the art piece and she said overall they are chalking it up to coincidence
So talk things through with them before basically dragging them through the mud while giving little context

(me)
I didn't encourage Mockery and I can't control how other people react. I asked for people to show examples of their Characters in a similar pose because I was passively being accused of stealing an idea on a Paid Commission, which as a Commission Artist is potentially a career-ending accusation.
I did, actually, talk to them and told them that it was offensive and provided examples. The post was made as I was attempting to find examples, and after I'd spent a couple of days pulling long nights to get the Icons done.
I apologize for my reaction but I did NOT encourage people to Mock them.

(them)
You didn’t discourage them, either. In fact you went along with my own mocking comment.
No, you cannot control how others react
But you could have worded and phrased things better to ensure others wouldn’t be so accusatory

(me)
And I apologize for that, but I can't take responsibility for how other people reacted. As you said, you made your own Mocking Comment at the situation, which was your own choice and not because I made you. I handled it poorly because I was being accused of Stealing an idea on a paid product. I was shocked, I was hurt, and I was attempting to find other Poses of the same nature.
My intention with the post wasn't to 'Call anyone out' or to start drama, my intention with the post was to get Similar Images because I was being told to provide them on the implied ultimatum that if I DIDNT provide them, I was going to be held accountable for Tracing/Referencing/Stealing.

(them)
Hello I read through your conversation with them
And you really jumped the gun to “that’s offensive” when you yourself went “THATS SO SIMILAR... OH DEAR”

(me)
The context of the conversation was that I was sending a screenshot to confirm that I was drawing the character correctly. I was then asked what my inspiration for the pose was, to which the Commissioner sent the screenshot of their friend's Icon and commented on how similar they were. Whle I agreed that they were similar, because they share the same Pop Cute pose, I was then asked to provide proof of other pictures of furries like that.

(them)
And you even offered to draw them different art
I read the conversation as it was

(me)
Because they are! Because it's a common pose! I offered to draw them other art because I didn't want them being upset at it being such a similar pose to something else.

(them)
You decided that for yourself. And then they apologized twice for sounding like they were accusing you of something because their friend was like
Hey that’s super goddamn similar can you show some other goods

(me)
I offered them, at no additional cost, a Different Pose because it was so similar to an existing drawing.

(them)
You did that without them asking
That tells me you’re more than aware of how that could come off as scarily close to having been heavily referenced

(me)
It was an offer! It wasn't an accusation! It wasn't a fight! It was an 'This pose is similar to my friends' 'Oh, would you like something different then?'
You're putting words in my mouth.

(them)
Apologies, let me backtrack
That’s how it looks to them
When you so readily offer before they actually complain
It sounds like you’re trying to cover up for yourself

(me)
I don't want this to be a fight. I don't want to fight. I'm sitting here shaking.
I'm autistic and I've never taken commissions through Lioden before.

(them)
It does sound extremely suspicious once you panic

(me)
I didn't want the Second Person Ever to commission me to be dissapointed.

(them)
This isn’t a fight
I’m literally in a parking lot drinking a chocolate shake
Let me explain okay? It’s all good
The problem arose because you panicked and offered so quickly to change
Normally people don’t do that
It was a super nice and considerate offer, but it’s also an offer people usually make when they’re trying to cover up for themselves

(me)
When a Commissioner comes back to me with a gripe about the pose of a piece, I change it. I've been doing that for years. I've never been accused of Tracing before, so I just did what I always do: which is 'Oh, I can draw something different if you'd like/'

(them)
It wasn’t a gripe, is the thing. I went and read it, and all it is saying is that the pose is similar to her friends

(me)
I wasn't trying to cover anything up. I don't reference or steal because it's both Really Goddamn Rude and I've personally had my own pieces stolen and used for profit.

(them)
You misread it as a gripe and assumed they wanted it fixed
However they were pointing out an actually funny coincidence, as they often have matching pieces so it worked out fine

(me)
Then I did that, and I'm sorry I read it like that. Tone isn't great for people with autism, especially over the internet, and I assumed that the comment of it being in a Similar Pose was meaning that they thought the piece was unoriginal. I didn't know they were implying I referenced it or stole it until I was aksed to provide evidence of other pieces in the same pose.

(them)
Yeah, no I understand how tone can be difficult to read

(me)
The flow of conversation threw me. I made that post when I was asked to provide evidence.
I didn't make the post after I'd spoken to them.
I made it to try and gather evidence because I was panicked, I was hurt, and I didn't know how to find it on my own.
Yeah.

(them)
The thing is, Ashley said they weren’t even suspicious until you so quickly offered to fix it at the comment.
To you, it was a complaint of pose

(me)
I can't control how other people react.

(them)
To them, it was just a side comment that wasn’t serious
No, and I won’t hold them against you.
I would ask, as an admin of Furry, to please b wary and even run it through an admin before posting those things so we can ensure all is well

(me)
This goes back to I can't control how other people react. I didn't intend to make them suspicious, I intended to fix something that, to ME, seemed to be an issue of pose/similarity. I didn't realize I was being accused of stealing when I offered to draw something different.

(them)
You weren’t being accused of stealing- at all really. As it goes back to them having apologized.
And no, you can’t handle how others react
But you can communicate your confusion better or even say “what exactly do you mean by that”

(me)
They apologized after I told them it was offensive and I provided evidence.
I didn't realize that's where the conversation was headed.

(them)
If you know that you can read things wrong or have trouble with tone
You should try to step back and talk to them about the beginning of the problem to fully grasp it
It’s how I handle things as I also have serious problems with tones and understanding folks

(me)
I was answering a question, which was 'What inspired me to do that pose?'
Then I was provided with a drawing in a similar pose, so I commented 'Oh wow! yes! that is a similar pose!'
And then I offered to change it because, to me, at that time, I had assumed the problem was that they wanted something more original because I knew I was drawing a very common pop cute pose.
I do try to watch my tone. I've been trying, it's hard to be in a position where I owe someone something because they've paid me and I need to use a customer service voice and try to keep things Courteous and Impersonal.
I was doing what any other artist who has an issue did. I offered to fix what I percieved was the problem, as they'd asked for similar fixes on other Icons I'd already drawn for them.

(them)
If you think there is a problem
With the way we'd been conversing before this, and the way they'd asked for fixes on previous Icons, I assumed and that was where I went wrong.
Don’t assume to know what it is
Just ask them if there is a problem or what the problem is
You assumed there was a problem and had a solution on hand
But that just made everything worse

(me)
That is my fault. I was using a pattern of the conversations we'd already been having as a basis to guess what the current problem was and offered solutions to something I thought was wrong.

(them)
Well actually you can do as you please and communicate as you’d like
I’ve gotten what I need from this conversation
If you have problems with people, in Furry or outside, I’m always open if you need an ear
But rn I’m driving home and going to sleep lol