OmegleGodHeavenPhilo

You're now chatting with a random stranger. Say hi!
Question to discuss:
Are you saved: If you die tonight, would you go to heaven?
You: No, and I still don't want to~
Stranger: same
You: No matter how many times I am asked :3
Stranger: if it's the heaven depicted in the Bible
Stranger: led by that God
Stranger: then definitely not
You: I figure it this way:
You: If Heaven is a perfect place
You: Then what meaning will there be to existance?
You: There's nothing more to look forward to
You: In Hell, it's imperfect. there still is meaning, and hope of something better
You: Same with anywhere else~
Stranger: hmmmm I think in Hell you're they're for eternity so hoping for something better is pointless
You: From a limited perspective, even if it never happens, you can still hope
Stranger: Yes
Stranger: i suppose in those circumstances you could
Stranger: still, I think if you were to be in Heaven the meaning of existance would be to enjoyment in that moment
Stranger: supposedly it's some awesome place
You: Then you get to a problem with duality. What is good if you never experience bad?
Stranger: ah
Stranger: I agree with that completely
Stranger: you cannot fully experience and appreciate the good until you have experienced bad
Stranger: but perhaps
Stranger: the Christian would argue the world was our experience in what is bad
You: I wouldn't argue that life is a learning experience because of that, but I would argue that in order to maintain it, you must not eliminate either in order to maintain the definition.
Stranger: Right, it's too easy to lose knowledge when it's absent for so long
You: I mean, if there is to be no more bad for eternity, then what's the point of it all? Where's the driving conflict? It would diminish.
You: Elsewhere, there is always conflict, and thus, movement
Stranger: Well, the point for some people would be eternal relief and security
You: A quote come to mind then :P
Stranger: in that idea of Heaven people would not necessarily be driven to do anything in general. Just chill out and enjoy themselves.
You: "Men grow tired of love, song, and dance sooner than war."
You: I believe that was Homer.. I don't quite remember though xD
Stranger: Could be, would certainly make sense if it were Homer
Stranger: and I do agree with a conflict perspective in the sense that it does keep things moving; it provides a drive for people to push themselves to make a difference or out do others
You: It how technological advances and businesses operate
Stranger: yes, how most aspects of life operate if you want to evaluate it that way
You: True
Stranger: I just think Heaven is about escaping that (in the Christian sense)
You: I think, that if there is a Heaven like that, they would eventually regret it
Stranger: yes, I would not enjoy something like that
You: When nothing changes, and there's nothing to grow to.
You: I wonder if Asker is still there :P
Stranger: probably not :D
You: Or if he disconnected
You: lol
You: He wouldn't like the idea of what I think Humanity is ultimately moving towards
You: Or she
Stranger: no, he or she wouldn't. Not all, but most Christians refuse to listen to anything that isn't in alliance with their views
Stranger: major intellectual barrier there
You: No, particularly since I think we will eventually be on par with their God.
You: At least, in the sense of controlling our own realities.
You: Like virtual reality stuff
Stranger: I'm not sure of that
Stranger: personally I think anything involving a metaphysical world and a higher power is above our comprehension. Our bodies limit us in that way.
Stranger: the senses aren't meant to completely capture the meaning of it
You: True, limited perspective opposes omnipotence
Stranger: I could be wrong though
Stranger: who knows
You: I would akin it more to, say, polytheistic deities. Imperfect, but powerful.
Stranger: perhaps, especially since we're claimed to be made in the image of God
Stranger: our rationality would be what makes us powerful
You: Perhaps. Our ability to ultimately control how we grow
Stranger: we also have the ability to destroy ourselves of course
You: I forget at which tier civilization we are at. But it's thought to be the most dangerous.
You: Where we either make it or break it.
Stranger: I think we'll probably break it
Stranger: not to be pessimistic
You: lol. I think.. Ultimately we will be fine, if we can achieve a revolution in thought.
Stranger: Materialism is at its height and that has usually been the greatest downfall of humankind-greed.
You: And it's looking to get worse
Stranger: yes
You: Hmm. Something would have to give though.
You: There are people who are great counter examples still out there
Stranger: There is, and thank God or whatever it is for that. Still, I don't think they're enough
Stranger: especially when the examples that glorify a hedonistic life style targets younger people
You: My own plan to help involves doing to opposite lol
Stranger: which could probably work
You: It's getting worse, but there are some great and powerful forms of communication coming about.
Stranger: yes, obviously the media shapes a person's attitudes, beliefs, and behavior
You: So my plan ultimately is, create an organisation devoted towards helping shape that attitude for the better.
You: Keep its ideals running even after my own lifetime
Stranger: and there's plenty already out there with the same goal
You: Yes. Few though know how to target the younger population effectively though, it seems.
You: None that I know of, utilize gaming to its strongest effect, for an example.
Stranger: ah, that would be an effective medium to use
You: You've heard of Assassin's Creed?
Stranger: I have
You: That's an excellent example of how a game can influence one's mind. The entire game revolves around the philosophy of the Assassins. "Nothing is true, everything is permitted"
You: The first one even has started conspiracy theories, I've heard :P
You: I've also noticed
Stranger: very cool
You: That as time moves on, and the younger population replaces the older
You: Different ideas are more accepted
You: So the entire thing basically becomes like opening a door inch by inch
You: Just take it one generation at a time :P
Stranger: yes, it's just about getting the right people to do that and create an entertaining, successful game
Stranger: thing is
Stranger: there are people who don't pick up on the philosophy of things either
Stranger: they just think "oh damn, this game is so badass, weapons and stuff yadda yadda"
You: True. Though the ones that do generally have a different mindset than the others
You: They end up being philosophical and political leaders
Stranger: yes, and mindsets are molded by parents, school, peers at an early age. Not necessarily video games except the kid friendly ones. Eh, not all political leaders
Stranger: Senator Romney?
You: Not all, but some lol
You: Yeah :/
Stranger: yes, we definitely need more lol
Stranger: God
Stranger: Romney
Stranger: ugh
Stranger: I was honestly terrified at the chance of him winning
You: Same here
You: When I become able to, I plan on moving close to the Canadian border
You: That way, if something does go very wrong
You: Easily be able to get out quickly :P
Stranger: lol I can relate. I definitely researched the citizenship requirements there because of Romney
You: I might have to do that as well. I just hope next election isn't nearly as close.
Stranger: I don't think it will be
You: Or seemingly close at any rate
You: Not of Obama does well, and the public realizes it.
Stranger: I believe Obama will do well which he actually did the last four years, however, it was not at the pace people wanted
You: I agree. Nor was it really shown to them everything he actually did. Most people will claim he did nothing at all, and believe that.
Stranger: Yes and honestly I think most of that is due to religious beliefs
Stranger: unless they're extremely rich, then it's just a matter of wanting to hold onto as much money as possible
You: Agreed
You: That's most of Republican supporters at any rate. Or at least a significant portion.
Stranger: yes, it was refreshing though that my literature professor is a republican who could not stand Romney
You: lol
You: My own only goes as far as to draw how ideas that took place millenia ago are still affecting the world today.
You: But she doesn't give her own opinion
Stranger: Ah, well this professor does makes connections between today and literature way back when, but they're valid, reasonable, interesting as fuck. I can get how ideas so long ago would have some influence on today in the sense that most works that followed them were inspired by them
Stranger: they're a foundation
You: Oh, I agree entirely :D
You: I have a small passion for it, in fact
Stranger: respectable indeed
Stranger: it is very interesting
Stranger: I just finished The Republic last weekend and I'm writing about how it can parallel with today's media and effects on psychology
You: I am starting Popol Vuh
You: Haven't started reading as of yet, though
Stranger: I've never studied it
Stranger: from what i remember at least
You: I found other works very interesting though. Chuang Tzu, for instance.
You: Which set the foundation of Daoism
Stranger: ah, I've only read the Tao Te Ching
You: I don't think the anthology we have has Tao Te Ching
Stranger: I'm a little bit of a fan of Taoism, definitely appreciated your comment on duality because of it lol
Stranger: you can just find it online
You: Heh. A lot of how I think coincides with it
You: I'll definitely have to when I find the time
Stranger: I agree, there's some points i don't agree with though
Stranger: like the disapproval of desire
Stranger: which i do understand to some extent
Stranger: still
Stranger: I think ambition is important, it just depends on the degree of it and what it's geared towards
You: I agree entirely
You: Hell, ambition helps achieve goals
Stranger: Yes and if they're decent goals then I definitely believe ambition is a good thing
You: Hmm. Ok well I have to go. Definitely nice talking to you~
Stranger: you too, take care
You have disconnected.