goldhawk2 logs

goldhawk2Today at 7:46 PM
I'm disgusted with epic's behavior on quod.
Yodabird19Today at 7:46 PM
Do you mean the expansionism?
goldhawk2Today at 7:46 PM
He's trying to take it all, selecting unqualified recruits and paying them to make a fake settlement.
Yodabird19Today at 7:46 PM
Fake?
goldhawk2Today at 7:47 PM
Basically a shell settlement for capitalia
Since you can only have 1 outpost per planet
Yodabird19Today at 7:47 PM
True, though many of them take initiative to live at their settlement
But I see what you mean
goldhawk2Today at 7:48 PM
He refuses to see how it is bad, and how bad it looks to other people
I cant convince him to stop
I don't want to leave Exercitus, but if it comes to that, would you guys be willing to take me?
Yodabird19Today at 7:48 PM
You’ve attempted to convince him?
Of course we would if it came to that, but why would it ever
goldhawk2Today at 7:49 PM
I don't want to be associated with what he's doing
Yodabird19Today at 7:49 PM
He’s trying to conquer Quod Canis
Most major nations eventually conquer a planet
Ekatera? Terram
Oblivion? Arbusto
Arimfea? Trunkadis
goldhawk2Today at 7:50 PM
The difference is, everyone needs a piece of quod
Yodabird19Today at 7:50 PM
I’m not trying to defend epic btw, rather trying to figure out why you dislike it and prompt you to see his side
Also Quod isn’t the only planet with a resource monopoly
Terram is the only source of titanium
Epic wants to get on a level playing field with nations whom he sees as peers but who see him as inferior
goldhawk2Today at 7:51 PM
I get that, but you don't see Emeris or Micle sending out fresh recruits to buy land they don't need on Terram or trunkadis
Yodabird19Today at 7:52 PM
True, but they must have at some point if they have more than two claims
Epic’s set up a system: Go start a settlement on Quod and the government will support you. That means all the recruits who do it want to
goldhawk2Today at 7:53 PM
No
Epic found the most active recruits, had them find a territory he wanted, and paid them to go do it.
Yodabird19Today at 7:54 PM
It was a deal and they accepted tho
Nothing forded
*forced
If it makes the government happy, and it makes the recruits happy, why does it make you unhappy?
honestly asking
goldhawk2Today at 7:54 PM
Because, it makes our allies unhappy
Yodabird19Today at 7:55 PM
How many of the allies have actually raised issue with it outside of Exercitus-dissing jokes?
goldhawk2Today at 7:55 PM
Well, both micle and Jeff want to split up quod territories since epic has taken all the empty ones
That he doesnt need
Yodabird19Today at 7:56 PM
lol true — but Micle has said that it’s not specifically over Exercitus and splitting overpopulated planets’ territories has been planned for a while
goldhawk2Today at 7:57 PM
I'm repeating myself, but the system epic is using is bad
I used a baking analogy
Yodabird19Today at 7:57 PM
How so? Sorry for the question badgering
goldhawk2Today at 7:58 PM
He's oversaturating the title of lord with unexperienced people
Yodabird19Today at 7:58 PM
test test
discord lag
back
goldhawk2Today at 8:00 PM
Hello
Yodabird19Today at 8:00 PM
Hi
give me the baking analogy
goldhawk2Today at 8:01 PM
I expect fully baked pizzas, but I see epic serving dough
Yodabird19Today at 8:01 PM
how dough
*how do
**how do
goldhawk2Today at 8:01 PM
How though?
Yodabird19Today at 8:01 PM
***how so
sheesh
goldhawk2Today at 8:02 PM
Well, I asked him if he could at least make it so only level 12 and above could lead a quod Canis settlement, and he flat out said noe
Yodabird19Today at 8:04 PM
okay so not gonna lie an unidentified source showed me some logs of you arguing with epic over this and you make some good points
like
just now
Though epic makes some too — and I think your point would come across better if you sounded less desperate
I can’t help but read “We don’t need to own a lot of it! That’s greedy!” and “We can’t go on!” in a high pitched squeaky voice
goldhawk2Today at 8:07 PM
I'm sorry
Yodabird19Today at 8:08 PM
For?
It’s not like any of this harms me
goldhawk2Today at 8:08 PM
But when I look at this expansionism, I see greed
Yodabird19Today at 8:08 PM
Epic makes a good point though — most other large nations have done this
Are they greedy too?
goldhawk2Today at 8:11 PM
The difference is, they didn't put, and in sorry to say this, inexperienced players to lead those
Yodabird19Today at 8:11 PM
to play devil’s advocate, don’t all experienced players start as inexperienced?
goldhawk2Today at 8:12 PM
Yes, but not all of them are paid to start a settlement that exists to reserve land
Yodabird19Today at 8:13 PM
it’s not like a settlement whose only job is to exist needs an experienced leader ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
goldhawk2Today at 8:13 PM
The said settlement shouldnt exist, though.
There is a 1 outpost per planet rule for a reason
Yodabird19Today at 8:13 PM
That’s a different point — but it nullifies the issue that the leaders are inexperienced
goldhawk2Today at 8:14 PM
Said settlements exist to circumvent the rule
Yodabird19Today at 8:14 PM
The question of whether Exercitus should be doing any of this at all, is the real question it seems
Who’s in charge doesn’t matter
And when it comes to that, Exercitus is in no way shape or form the first
Oblivion is the most glaring example
goldhawk2Today at 8:15 PM
And look where they are now
Inactive
Yodabird19Today at 8:15 PM
all your land are belong to us
Also how exactly is them being inactive relevant to their expansionism
goldhawk2Today at 8:16 PM
They were an enemy of the republic
Also, why should we try to be like oblivion?
Yodabird19Today at 8:16 PM
I don’t think it was over their expansionism, nor that Exercitus is in any danger of that
Also I’m not saying be like oblivion
I’m saying oblivion was a legitimate nation that did this too
Arimfea and Ekatera have done the same, admittedly on smaller scales
goldhawk2Today at 8:17 PM
Maybe it's also that, despite being 2nd in command, and one of the most experienced players, my voice matters almost as much as someone who has played for like 2 weeks?
Yodabird19Today at 8:18 PM
???
You’re prince-elect aren’t you
goldhawk2Today at 8:18 PM
I am
But why is it that lords can come in and stuff junk where ever they want it, and not even get a slap on the wrist for it?
Yodabird19Today at 8:19 PM
Okay the sorter hullabaloo I agree was understated
You should use an /szone to stop randos from fuckin with it
goldhawk2Today at 8:20 PM
Also, they snooped around in our privately owned houses. They had no business in them
Yodabird19Today at 8:20 PM
But aside from that how does a bunch of Exercitan settlements harm you
Goldhawk that’s unpreventsbe
*unoreventsble
**unpreventable
..
goldhawk2Today at 8:21 PM
It just disgusts me (as I said before) that when I object this, epic just goes "overridden" and nothing happens
Maybe I'm not meant for a monarchy
Yodabird19Today at 8:21 PM
Epic clearly is of a different opinion and is using all his power to forward it
Clearly he’s very strongly in favor of expansionism
goldhawk2Today at 8:25 PM
I dont object to ekatera doing it, because they do it with competant leaders. Why do you think a bunch of staff are in Ekatera?
Yodabird19Today at 8:25 PM
We’ve already agreed that competence isn’t the issue
If the settlement’s only job is to exist competence doesn’t matter
You’ve voiced issue with doing it at all
goldhawk2Today at 8:26 PM
If the settlement's only job is to exist, than it only exists to circumvent the one outpost per planet rule
Yodabird19Today at 8:27 PM
yeah but every nation does that
goldhawk2Today at 8:28 PM
But I can should be able to stop Exercitus from doing it.
Yodabird19Today at 8:29 PM
Doesn’t epic decide what the Prince can do?
goldhawk2Today at 8:30 PM
I said it before, but I don't think I'm meant for a monarchy
Yodabird19Today at 8:30 PM
Even as the second in command?
hrm
goldhawk2Today at 8:33 PM
Idk why epic didn't learn to listen more to his 2nd in command when hulko left
I know hulko isn't a good example to use, but still
Yodabird19Today at 8:34 PM
Did Hulko leave over government issues?
goldhawk2Today at 8:34 PM
Idk
He wanted more independence
I think...
@Yodabird19 can you create a special channel in the Cortesia discord where we can discuss this?
Yodabird19Today at 8:41 PM
Not sure I can do that
But you can make a discord chat group
Who else do you want involved
goldhawk2Today at 8:42 PM
Brick and ice
Yodabird19Today at 8:42 PM
Not aid?
goldhawk2Today at 8:42 PM
And aid
Sorry forgot
Yodabird19Today at 8:42 PM
kek so the secretariat and you
will make
goldhawk2Today at 8:42 PM
Could you make it and invite me?
Also, is this treason?
Yodabird19Today at 8:42 PM
hang on
need to be friends with you
should I post a pastebin with these logs
So they can get up to date
goldhawk2Today at 8:45 PM
Sure?