[17-Feb-20 05:51 PM] Kingler#6931
Lmfao

[17-Feb-20 05:51 PM] Kingler#6931
Do we think zig is bannable rly

[17-Feb-20 05:51 PM] Kingler#6931
I thought with onix getting head smash and pawn it should be ok

[17-Feb-20 06:07 PM] BurntZebra#8147
pawn seems pretty easy to chip down into the point where espeed kos

[17-Feb-20 06:07 PM] BurntZebra#8147
obv zig wont set up vs pawn

[17-Feb-20 06:07 PM] BurntZebra#8147
but zig can usually find a spot to set up

[17-Feb-20 06:07 PM] BurntZebra#8147
unless you actively run 6 mons that beat it

[17-Feb-20 06:08 PM] BurntZebra#8147
which means you wont be running cutiefly, diglett, spritzee, etc

[17-Feb-20 06:09 PM] BurntZebra#8147
well orb cutiefly/dig can ko if rocks are up but zig still has a respectable amount of bulk

[17-Feb-20 06:09 PM] BurntZebra#8147
eliminates possibility of running evio cutiefly since youre just not threatening enough to deal w/ zig

[17-Feb-20 06:10 PM] BurntZebra#8147
or evio dig

[17-Feb-20 06:11 PM] BurntZebra#8147
if you run a team with onix, LO diglett, sleep powder oddish, vullaby, timburr, and munchlax or something, like yeah zig maybe wont find an opportunity to set up

[17-Feb-20 06:11 PM] BurntZebra#8147
idk im curious to see if zig will be played in spl this week or not

[17-Feb-20 07:10 PM] brewfasa#4532
I think it’s to easy to find setup opportunities, and good players will usually find a way especially when u have great options such as memento dig

[17-Feb-20 07:10 PM] brewfasa#4532
and when u basically have 2 things that need to be very healthy

[17-Feb-20 07:10 PM] brewfasa#4532
at that point

[17-Feb-20 07:11 PM] brewfasa#4532
I think it’ll prove to be unhealthy

[17-Feb-20 07:13 PM] BurntZebra#8147
well yeah i was even ignoring using veils or memento to set up

[17-Feb-20 07:13 PM] BurntZebra#8147
zig can set up vs a ton of stuff with memento support

[17-Feb-20 07:25 PM] Kingler#6931
i think losing gastbra is prob huge

[17-Feb-20 07:25 PM] Kingler#6931
maybe it is broken

[17-Feb-20 07:25 PM] Kingler#6931
man i hate this mon pool

[17-Feb-20 09:46 PM] Shrug#7659
me and gastbra rn is like a movie scene where former rivals need to team up to take on some existential threat to their society... never thought i would die fighting alongside sub lo abra

[18-Feb-20 09:36 PM] BurntZebra#8147
lets just go back to sm

[18-Feb-20 09:36 PM] BurntZebra#8147
and fix it

[18-Feb-20 11:51 PM] jake#8907
ok goodbye sword and shield

[18-Feb-20 11:51 PM] jake#8907
we're bringing back sm lc

[18-Feb-20 11:52 PM] Coconut#8762
well the two most important people in LC agree

[18-Feb-20 11:52 PM] Coconut#8762
time to move forward with it.

[18-Feb-20 11:59 PM] BurntZebra#8147
the zebras

[19-Feb-20 11:43 PM] Quote#9846
honestly, I'm leaning to veil being the problem. Still need some more time to make a proper conclusion. I think ziggy by itself is pretty tough but far from the toughest thing to deal with

[19-Feb-20 11:46 PM] levi#6206
lets ban arena trap too

[19-Feb-20 11:48 PM] Quote#9846
Still a bit of an iffy one for me. Not that I disapprove

[19-Feb-20 11:48 PM] Quote#9846
Just trying to figure out if hitting both is the answer or just Trapinch

[19-Feb-20 11:48 PM] Quote#9846
I won't deny that diglett is pretty nasty atm though

[19-Feb-20 11:49 PM] Quote#9846
have you guys used eject pack pony at all yet? It's not the most reliable option but I cannot explain how frustrating/satisfying it is to get a trap off of it

[20-Feb-20 09:00 AM] Luthier#1578
I approve arena trap ban

[20-Feb-20 09:00 AM] Luthier#1578
It’s too much

[20-Feb-20 10:03 AM] brewfasa#4532
I agree with w/ luthier

[20-Feb-20 10:03 AM] brewfasa#4532
not Levi

[20-Feb-20 01:33 PM] Shrug#7659
No arena trap ban

[20-Feb-20 01:45 PM] Shrug#7659
Shouldn’t be punishing people for controlling games

[20-Feb-20 01:46 PM] brewfasa#4532
no we should be rewarding people for eliminating threats without trappers

[20-Feb-20 01:47 PM] brewfasa#4532
why do u need trappers to control a game

[20-Feb-20 01:51 PM] Shrug#7659
It rewards you for controlling a game

[20-Feb-20 01:54 PM] brewfasa#4532
ur not doing the controlling the mon is

[20-Feb-20 01:55 PM] Shrug#7659
Nah it’s not automatic

[20-Feb-20 03:45 PM] jake#8907
> have you guys used eject pack pony at all yet? It's not the most reliable option but I cannot explain how frustrating/satisfying it is to get a trap off of it
@Quote overheat?

[20-Feb-20 03:45 PM] Quote#9846
yea

[20-Feb-20 03:45 PM] jake#8907
i havent yet

[20-Feb-20 03:45 PM] jake#8907
kind of curious how good that is considering how valuable evio is

[20-Feb-20 03:46 PM] Quote#9846
the thing I personally like about it is that it makes dig more viable as a pony partner

[20-Feb-20 03:46 PM] jake#8907
yeah not setting off onix and such

[20-Feb-20 03:47 PM] jake#8907
harder to run special now tho without hpg or grassium

[20-Feb-20 03:47 PM] jake#8907
what other moves do u use

[20-Feb-20 03:47 PM] Quote#9846
I just run a normal physical set but with overheat > flame charge

[20-Feb-20 03:47 PM] jake#8907
o gotcha

[20-Feb-20 03:48 PM] jake#8907
interesting

[20-Feb-20 03:48 PM] Quote#9846
it's definitely something I'd bring for a tour game here or there to fuck with someone's momentum

[20-Feb-20 03:49 PM] Quote#9846
going beyond that gimmick set tho, pony feels super good rn