PS2 Meeting - 19SEP15

<Tarr> *****ATTENTION*****
<Tarr> Today's date is Saturday, September 19th 2015 and the time is 10PM Eastern. This meeting is now called to order.
<Tarr> PLEASE REMAIN SILENT from this point onward unless otherwise instructed.
<Tarr> Everyone will have a chance to voice their opinions/concerns ONE AT A TIME!
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<Tarr> *****SYNOPSIS:*****
<Tarr> This meeting is concerning the future of The Swarm's involvement in Planetside 2. It is not the intention of the high council or the outfit leadership to completely drop this game. However, due to lack of adequate support by the game developers (DBG) and the ensuing impact on player interest/population, we feel that the time has come to make some changes within our own community.
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<Tarr> ******AGENDA:******
<Tarr> As Outfit Commander, I have made a list of proposals and we will discuss them in an orderly fashion - one at a time. Once I have designated that a proposal is open for discussion, please keep your questions/statements related to that proposal ONLY.
<Tarr> There will be time allotted to make your own proposal and also time for an open discussion once all of the proposals have been addressed.
<Tarr> I will go ahead and list them all now so that you can get your questions/statements typed up and ready by the time your name is called - please make sure you do this as it will help to speed up the process of this meeting.
<Tarr> If you're not using a PC and you don't have access to an app that you can use to type up notes/documents, you can message yourself on IRC then copy/paste it when your name is called. To message yourself, type /msg yournick yourmessagegere (message can contain spaces/punctuation).
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<Tarr> ****PROPOSALS:*****
<Tarr> 1) Retire our "spec ops" division and related trainings until further notice.
<Tarr> Reasons
<Tarr> - We do not have the necessary manpower for it to be run as intended (50+ members online regularly during ops nights).
<Tarr> - We no longer have the necessary interest from outfit leadership to consistently host trainings and lead platoons/squads on ops nights.
<Tarr> 2) Reduce the number of "ops" to 1-2 nights per week and reevaluate the schedule based on the feedback of currently active members.
<Tarr> Reasons
<Tarr> - We are only getting enough people to show up for ops nights to fill 1-2 squads.
<Tarr> - Without a fully dedicated "spec ops" division (our hardcore player base) there is not enough interest in organized gameplay to necessitate multiple weekly ops.
<Tarr> 3) Reduce the requirements for leadership positions (no evaluation period, no required reports and promotions granted based solely on interest and a current leader "vouching" for them).
<Tarr> Note: If/when we decide to reinstitute spec ops and/or some other form of highly organized structure for this game, we will resume a strict evaluation process and restructure the outfit's leadership ranks as necessary.
<Tarr> Reasons
<Tarr> - Without an active group of leaders, evaluations cannot be performed effectively.
<Tarr> - In a casual environment, there's no need for a highly organized chain of command.
<Tarr> - We still need people who are willing to step up and lead squads/platoons (on a more casual basis) as well as send outfit invites and keep tabs on member conduct.
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<Tarr> That being said, lets open the first proposal up for discussion.
<Tarr> I will give the floor to anyone who messages me with the number "1" (one at a time in order of first/last received).
<Tarr> When your name is called, please type or copy/paste your question/statement as quickly as possible so we can move along to the next person in a timely fashion.
<Tarr> Again, please remain silent unless your name is called and hold all questions/statements that are not related to this specific proposal until time has been allotted for an open discussion.
<Tarr> ****PROPOSAL #1:***
<Tarr> >>Retire our "spec ops" division and related trainings until further notice.<<
<Tarr> Reasons
<Tarr> - We do not have the necessary manpower for it to be run as intended (50+ members online regularly during ops nights).
<Tarr> - We no longer have the necessary interest from outfit leadership to consistently host trainings and lead platoons/squads on ops nights.
<Tarr> If you would like to say something related to this proposal, please type the following now: /msg tarr 1
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<Tarr> I'm not getting any PMs does anyone have anything to say about the first proposal? If not, we'll move on to the second one
<Flyingclam> 1
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<Tarr> Go ahead Flyingcalm, you have the floor ;)
<Tarr> clam*
<Flyingclam> Spec ops can still be an activity we can do but it has to less serious and more relaxed
<Flyingclam> Due to low population at the moment we need to draw more players in
<Tarr> correct, it will be regular ops though - not "spec ops"
<Tarr> anything else Flyingclam?
<BlackOpal> 1
<Flyingclam> we cant start doing more serious or heavily organized operations unless we can get more active players in the game and outfit
<Flyingclam> point made
<Flyingclam> someone else can go
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<Tarr> exactly, and I don't see that happening unless DBG gets their shit together which would require a miracle lol
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<Tarr> okay BlackOpal now has the floor
<BlackOpal> I think that's cool as long as we keep the dicipline on the chat channel
<BlackOpal> done
<Tarr> our rules and code of conduct will still apply
<BlackOpal> cool
<Tarr> anyone else have anything to say?
<greyknight373> Yes
<Tarr> go ahead greyknight
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<Shalon> Yes
<greyknight373> I personally dont care about the ops or anything. I just like to play semi organized with mature players. Thats all.
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<Tarr> we will still try our best to stay organized - it just won't be up to the level of spec ops
<Tarr> we can still use the stuff we learned from spec ops tho ;)
<Tarr> anything else greyknight?
<Tarr> Okay, DoubleVibes now has the floor
<DoubleVibes> The beautiful thing about this game is how we all have a variety of different playstyles. so if each of us can play the game the way we want, i think we might have larger squads. I find myself playing solo a lot so that don’t offend anyone. So I agree with lessening the spec ops thing a little. Lets just play the game and try and win.
<DoubleVibes> as long as we arent completely dicking around, I’m all for it
<Tarr> good points and I completely agree! Anything else?
<DoubleVibes> thats it
<DoubleVibes> lol
<Tarr> Okay Shalon now has the floor
<Shalon> I feel that once the leadership yook a backseat in the last couple of weeks and the population of TR bloomed our dedicated based of swarmies left ops nights.  I have heard many players since then say that they really just enjoy playing with mature people that are organized.  I think that option number 3 may be the way to go for the forseeable future until the population balances out.
<Happymack> i second "regular ops." Also I would like at least 1 op a week ran more structured. As near spec ops as possible. Organized squads is what drew me into this game.
<Tarr> wait ur turn please happymack ;) u can go after Generic
<GenericMainframe> Due to the activity of players dropping in which i believe the cause to be due to the recent start into the month and new arrivals of games (and DBG problem) i believe people have been occupied  with other releases and hype. such as MGSV and,soon Fallout. I think specs ops should be put on hold as we do not have the required number and/or requirment.. a casual spec ops is just an ops night to me
<GenericMainframe> Ohh...ehh saw my name and hit send    :S
<Shalon> I love spec ops.  True specs ops but we do not have the leadership willing to devote the time nor the pop for it right now
<Tarr> Shalon, these are not "options" they are proposals which will all be in effect after this meeting unless otherwise convinced
<Tarr> I love spec ops too and it saddens me greatly that this didn't work out :(
<BlackOpal> agreed
<Shalon> Agreed
<Tarr> hopefully DBG will fix their shit and we can reinstate it but for now it's just a waste of time/effort
<Happymack> *still waiting :)
<Tarr> okay, generic now has the floor.... hang on I'm reading ur statement
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<GenericMainframe> Ok, XD sry about that shalon
<Tarr> okay yeah, it's pretty much already answered....
<Happymack> spec ops did work. just not perfectly... (counter point) i will add more later...
<Tarr> Happymack: we will discuss that in the next proposal
<Tarr> anyone else have anything to say about proposal #1?
<Tarr> okay then... moving on
<Tarr> Having allowed everyone sufficient time to chime in on the first proposal, lets now open my second proposal up for discussion.
<Tarr> I will give the floor to anyone who messages me with the number "2" (one at a time in order of first/last received).
<Tarr> When your name is called, please type or copy/paste your question/statement as quickly as possible so we can move along to the next person in a timely fashion.
<Tarr> Again, please remain silent unless your name is called and hold all questions/statements that are not related to this specific proposal until time has been allotted for an open discussion.
<Tarr> ****PROPOSAL #2:***
<Tarr> >>Reduce the number of "ops" to 1-2 nights per week and reevaluate the schedule based on the feedback of currently active members.<<
<Tarr> Reasons
<Tarr> - We are only getting enough people to show up for ops nights to fill 1-2 squads.
<Tarr> - Without a fully dedicated "spec ops" division (our hardcore player base) there is not enough interest in organized gameplay to necessitate multiple weekly ops.
<Tarr> If you would like to say something related to this proposal, please type the following now: /msg tarr 2
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<Tarr> since Happymack already responded to this, I will respond to him first
<Happymack> I second this proposal.
<Tarr> the plan is to reduce the number of "ops nights" to 1-2 each week. There will be a new poll on the forums to determine the availability of the players that we have remaining
<Tarr> haha
<Tarr> anyone else have anything to say about proposal #2?
<Crazy52> i agree with it
<Happymack> I would like to address that said ops should be organized and evaluated with NO stict form to armor squad/air aquad etc. If less in numbers or people will need to change it up
<Shalon> Yes
<Flyingclam> agree with happy
<Happymack> fuckin typing on a phone sucks
<greyknight373> I agree as well
<Happymack> I have something to add...
<zerosin> Can i just add last few nights due to low numbers haven't ran a true dedicated armor squad.
<Tarr> yes, that is the intention... it will be sort of organized as in the leader calls the shots and everyone tries to work together as much as possible, but there will be no more squads that are strictly infantry/armor/air unless we have the numbers to make it work
<Happymack> We NEED structured squads. It is what brought this entire group together. Everyone in meeting must agree to some extint.
<Tarr> Happymack still has the floor guys, please wait your turn
<Tarr> we will try to be as structured as possible with our limited numbers
<Tarr> anything else?
<Happymack> Just please read last point. im done
<Happymack> thank you. love you guys.
<Tarr> yep read it... Shalon, did you have something to add?
<Shalon> What brings us together is having strong leadership to look up to and depend on.  That is what makes an ops night real.
<Tarr> I agree... that's the most important aspect is having someone who knows what they're doing calling the shots. ;)
<Tarr> DoubleVibes now has the floor
<DoubleVibes> with regards to not having dedicated squads, I think we should really try to keep different vehicle types together. Its frustrating to be flying in a squad with 4 guys and see another squad mate in a different squad also flying. Strength in numbers.
<DoubleVibes> and comms clutter is frustrating
<Happymack> May i make a point?
<Tarr> Totally agreed - we should still try and keep squads structured if we have the numbers to do so.
<Tarr> is it related to what doublevibes just said?
<Happymack> yes.
<Tarr> go ahead then
<BlackOpal> take your time ;-)
<Tarr> try to type out your intended message before asking for the floor guys lol
<Tarr> Generic, go ahead while we wait
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<Happymack> infantry should be able to pull ground tanks, sundys...etc. Sometimes it is more sensible
<Happymack> im on a phone... its hard
<Tarr> yes, of course... we should always be flexible whenever possible
<BlackOpal> ok google
<GenericMainframe> <_< Do i go yet
<Tarr> go for it
<GenericMainframe> The problem here is that we have a very diverse group of players from many different lifestyles.  Changing it to 1-2days may single out some people who can only make it certain days a by  usinf 1-2 you are reducing your odds of availa be players .. although as you said we need to see our remaining players which could be enough to successfully adapt to thos chance
<GenericMainframe> And by using*
<GenericMainframe> ..also typing on phone XD
<GenericMainframe> Adapt to those circumstances*
<Tarr> that's why we will be doing a poll first - if the majority can make it on a certain day (or 2) then we will schedule it
<GenericMainframe> Ahh yes a poll would be best
<Tarr> unfortunately, it won't be a night that everyone can attend though but we will still have people online on other nights playing the game I would hope
<Shalon> Hamd raise
<Tarr> TonY now has the floor
<TonYtigr> I agree with the proposal and doublevibes also, we need to split the vehicles type in different squads. Like 3-4 persons per squad could be enough
<TonYtigr> And speak in outfit chat if not too much people on
<Tarr> I agree, I've been in an effective air squad plenty of times with only 3-4 reavers
<TonYtigr> Same for armor
<TonYtigr> Over
<DoubleVibes> (platoon chat, lets spare our lone wolves)
<Tarr> there is a platoon chat now
<Tarr> Okay Shalon, go ahead
<TonYtigr> Roger
<Shalon> For the poll.  Lets please diversify how we let everyone know of the poll.  Not just on the website but also during gameplay would be nice if we remember.
<GenericMainframe> 3-4 reavers does seem like enough.. anymore may end  up crashing during co-ordinated attax
<GenericMainframe> Attacks*
<Tarr> good point - let's make sure people are aware of that ingame
<Tarr> anyone else have anything to say about proposal #2?
<Tarr> Tito, I'll send u a PM to catch u up
<Tito21> Thx
<Tarr> Having allowed everyone sufficient time to chime in on the second proposal, lets now open my third and final proposal up for discussion.
<Tarr> I will give the floor to anyone who messages me with the number "3" (one at a time in order of first/last received).
<Tarr> When your name is called, please type or copy/paste your question/statement as quickly as possible so we can move along to the next person in a timely fashion.
<Tarr> Again, please remain silent unless your name is called and hold all questions/statements that are not related to this specific proposal until time has been allotted for an open discussion.
<Tarr> ****PROPOSAL #3:***
<Tarr> >>Reduce the requirements for leadership positions (no evaluation period, no required reports and promotions granted based solely on interest and a current leader "vouching" for them).<<
<Tarr> Note: If/when we decide to reinstitute spec ops and/or some other form of highly organized structure for this game, we will resume a strict evaluation process and restructure the outfit's leadership ranks as necessary.
<Tarr> Reasons
<Tarr> - Without an active group of leaders, evaluations cannot be performed effectively.
<Tarr> - In a casual environment, there's no need for a highly organized chain of command.
<Tarr> - We still need people who are willing to step up and lead squads/platoons (on a more casual basis) as well as send outfit invites and keep tabs on member conduct.
<Tarr> If you would like to say something related to this proposal, please type the following now: /msg tarr 3
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<Tarr> anyone?
<Shalon> 3
<Tarr> greyknight has the floor
<Tarr> do u have ur typed out Shalon?
<Shalon> No
<Tarr> k we'll wait on greyknight then
<Tarr> -.-
<greyknight373> I just believe we need to be careful with who we make leaders. Maybe a slight bit of evaluation, and 2 leaders vouching. Sorry on phone
<Tarr> good point and I agree 2 it is... word of mouth is good enough for me as we will now be running a casual outfit
<DoubleVibes> i have something in relation to greyknights statement
<Tarr> go ahead doublevibes
<DoubleVibes> Maybe something simple like a BR requirement
<DoubleVibes> gives an idea of the understanding of the game
<DoubleVibes> an idea of an individuals understanding i mean
<Tarr> I dunno about that one... we could have a great player that  just came from PC or another server/faction
<DoubleVibes> obviously there are exceptions like alts and stuff
<DoubleVibes> yeah
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<Happymack> i'll second that
<DoubleVibes> but they can send the stats of their alts
<Tarr> but I do agree that they should know what they're doing and demonstrate good leadership qualities
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<Tarr> the people who are already leaders are trusted enough to make that distinction imho
<DoubleVibes> point taken
<greyknight373> Yes. They could be a great fighter, not a great leader
<Tarr> Okay... Shalon has the floor
<Shalon> I totallyagree with this proprosal as a whole but i have to add this one thing.  Please lets keep the young minded leadership (kind way of saying immature i hope) in check cause it will ruin the whole group.
<TonYtigr> Agree
<Flyingclam> 3
<GenericMainframe> Yea tarrs  a good... hes like 30something
<GenericMainframe> Good leader
<GenericMainframe> <_<
<Tarr> Absolutely agreed and if there is any issues with our current leaders PLEASE let me or one of the HC members know so that we can issue a warning and deal with it appropriately
<Shalon> Lol
<Tarr> same goes for anyone who is appointed to be a leader in the future
<Tarr> Flyingclam now has the floor
<Flyingclam> Lets just becarful on who we chose as a leader or not. I agree with shalon  with keeping people in check and we can do that witht he system we have now. just make it easier for people to form and command squads
<Flyingclam> *be careful
<Flyingclam> done
<Tarr> yes, it will be easier to become a leader as less will be expected but that doesn't mean that we should just make anyone a leader
<Tarr> generic, did you have something to add?
<GenericMainframe> I completly agree with this as 1) the requirements could be putting people off and so if requirments were removed , more people may feel less pressure.  2) Anyone can be a great leader (probably a quote from somewhere)   3)This will allow people to come out of there comfort zone and develop new skills and confidence.   4) we may find amazing leaders who never thought they had the potential
<Flyingclam> agreeded, just make it easier for people to form squads for common play
<Tarr> great points... I have no rebuttal regarding any of that ;)
<Flyingclam> *agreed
<Happymack> a br requirement I believe would be mostly cosmetic. which is a good thing
<Tarr> greyknight?
<Happymack> we need to make an impression on new members. a good one
<greyknight373> Im done
<Tarr> k
<Tarr> anyone else?
<Tarr> alrighty then... moving on
<Shalon> Good idea happymack on the BR requirement
<Tarr> **OTHER PROPOSALS:*
<Tarr> If anyone has a proposal of their own that they wish to add to the agenda, please type the following now: /msg tarr I have a proposal
<Tarr> I will give the floor to anyone who messages me with the statement "I have a proposal" (one at a time in order of first/last received).
<Tarr> When your name is called, please type or copy/paste your question/statement as quickly as possible so we can move along to the next person in a timely fashion.
<Tarr> Again, please remain silent unless your name is called and hold all questions/statements that are not related to this specific proposal until time has been allotted for an open discussion.
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<Tarr> does anyone have a proposal of their own that they would like to make at this time?
<greyknight373> I have a question
<Tarr> go ahead
<Tito21> :/msg tarr
<greyknight373> I know its just an idea floating around but what BR did you have in mind as the minimum Happy?
<GenericMainframe> Hmm... i cannot think of anything else.. it seems you have covered the foundations and anything else would be minor points.... unless i just cant thi
<Happymack> br30?
<GenericMainframe> Oops... hit send instead of delete
<Tarr> I'll discuss the BR requirement thing with the High Council but I don't see that happening honestly due to reasons already stated.
<greyknight373> ok
<Tarr> one last chance to make a proposal of your own....
<Tarr> oh wait
<Tarr> BlacOpal has one
<BlackOpal> Given the outnumbering issue, why not make one of our ops nights in a different faction... is that heresy?
<Tarr> go ahead
<DoubleVibes> eww
<Shalon> Wtf
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<Tarr> lol
<GenericMainframe> XD i
<Tito21> We're is my torch
<danofthedeep> Looks pretty good to me Tarr.
<greyknight373> Definitly heresy. Report to your commisar
<BlackOpal> maybe making the issu more obvious to DBG would also make it higher on their priority list?
<Tarr> j/k haha
<danofthedeep> Been following silently.
<BlackOpal> :-)
<Crazy52> something something rules about being in another faction on the same server
<danofthedeep> Definitely.
<Tarr> We have been working with VS to help control the TR population imbalance and I think that should continue
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<Tarr> as far as switching to other factions? nothx not for me at least
<TonYtigr> Not for me either
<Tarr> and unless the HC changes their stance, it's against our rules
<BlackOpal> ok- done.
<Happymack> we can change rules... adds more content as well
<Crazy52> rather not
<Tarr> okay, does anyone else have any proposals?
<RighteousNuts> All the time spent on NC? Why would you switch?
<TonYtigr> This will reduce even more the Swarm squads
<Tarr> okay going to do an open discussion now...
<Tarr> **OPEN DISCUSSION**
<Tarr> Now that everyone has had their turn to speak, we can now engage in an open discussion. Please speak freely regarding anything that was discussed here tonight and if you have any further questions for me, feel free to ask but please don't be offended if it gets lost in the flood of responses!
<Tarr> If you have something important to ask me directly, it might be best to send it to me in a private message.
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<RighteousNuts> What's this meeting about?
<GenericMainframe> I imagi e adding rules is like loosening the strings on guitar.. they become loose and hard to manage.. comapred to a straight, strong, structure
<Tarr> check the log on the forums later Righteous, it's almost over now
<Shalon> Switch sides????
<Shalon> What the hell????
<Happymack> i play guitar too
<RighteousNuts> ^^^^
<GenericMainframe> NC  \(°^°)/  FREEDOM   \(°^° \) SCOTLAND
<Tarr> We have rules about going to other factions/outfits for a good reason
<Shalon> Pot stirrir, lol
<TonYtigr> I just want to say I don't feel spec ops failed (i've read that above). Spec ops allowed to regroup people and playing TOGETHER. What is actually failing is DBG.
<GenericMainframe> I mean... 'MERICA*
<Tarr> PC actually has a solution for that... sort of but it was unfortunately not included in the PS4 version
<Crazy52> i think switching factions on the same server is a bad idea to begin with, there are other servers...
<iTheKGBjr> night all
<GenericMainframe> Morning
<Tarr> gnite kgb ;)
<Happymack> ok. no one likes multiple factions
<Flyingclam> I have to go to bed now so, ill be going now. I think we got alot done here today. thank yall
<Tarr> thanks for coming
<GenericMainframe> 4:05 here XP
<iTheKGBjr> np
<Happymack> nn
<Shalon> Shouldnt be able to on same server at all.  That would have solved this crap
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<RighteousNuts> Switching factions would get you shunned by the nc and shunned by the faction you joined
<Tito21> Question
<GenericMainframe> Question
<Shalon> Come play guys.
<TonYtigr> Forgot to say on proposal 3. The current official leaders shall still be recognized and shall be put as squad leaders in priority. Reason: i loved being squad leaded by zero, apok, shalon, tarr, grinder, etc. ;)
<Happymack> squad up! im logging on in a minute :D
<greyknight373> Yeah this game has so much potential. I never played ps1 but it seemed to have some great concepts that could carry over.
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<Tarr> current leaders will keep their positions ;)
<Tarr> unless they choose to step down
<GenericMainframe> Sooo... the meeting is officially ovee right?
<GenericMainframe> Over
<greyknight373> Id get on but my brothers playing destiny
<Tarr> not officially, yet
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<zerosin> I'll do my best man but when i have to lead infantry i feel sorry for you guys
<GenericMainframe> Ahh.. ill stay on then
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<Tarr> but it looks like we're pretty much done so....
<Tarr> *MEETING ADJOURNED*
<Tarr> Seeing as how there does not seem to be anything else of significant importance to discuss, I am going to go ahead and call tonight's meeting officially adjourned!
<Tarr> Thank you all for coming and feel free to continue this discussion on our forums after the meeting log has been posted.
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<TonYtigr> Nah it was fun last night zero, revived you so many times ;)
<Tarr> NOW it's officially over. ;)
<zerosin> Haha