[6:52PM] Sir Woggles: in what sense?
[6:52PM] Mr Fahrenheit: if youre similar elo
and get put together
so you're 5 people with comms vs randoms on enemy team
[6:52PM] Sir Woggles: well yeah but thats cheating the system
that not*
thats not***
jesus
[6:53PM] Mr Fahrenheit: how do you figure
seems pretty unfair to me
[6:53PM] Sir Woggles: thats abusing the system, not cheating it
[6:53PM] Mr Fahrenheit: well alright
mr pedantry
lel
[6:53PM] Sir Woggles: nah its just, cheating implies we have a way to bypass it
when really we're just exploiting the unfairness of it
[6:54PM] Mr Fahrenheit: if i was on the other team i'd feel cheated by that
[6:54PM] Sir Woggles: unfortunately, you cant do anything about that
[6:54PM] Mr Fahrenheit: cheat: "act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage."
[6:54PM] Sir Woggles: thats acting unfairly
or dishonestly
youre using the system
[6:54PM] Mr Fahrenheit: thats the google definition
m9
[6:54PM] Sir Woggles: that riots created
thats not acting*
[6:55PM] Mr Fahrenheit: doing what i said is cheating by that definition
[6:55PM] Sir Woggles: thats like saying people who play rammus are cheating
[6:55PM] Mr Fahrenheit: no it isnt
wot
because you're queuing a certain way
[6:55PM] Sir Woggles: legit is though, thats the sense youre using it in
[6:55PM] Mr Fahrenheit: knowing it'll put your 5 friends together
then using that advantage to dominate the 5 randoms on the other team
[6:55PM] Sir Woggles: so because im queue sniping my friends, its unfair
[6:55PM] Mr Fahrenheit: because you have far superior coordination/teamwork
[6:56PM] Sir Woggles: And your point is? the matchmaking system isnt great as is anyway, it matches you against a whole team of randoms even if youre 5 sometimes
[6:56PM] Mr Fahrenheit: my point is that it is cheating
technically
[6:56PM] Sir Woggles: No, it isnt though
Its abusing a feature of the system, thats not cheating
since anyone can do it
[6:56PM] Mr Fahrenheit: well the official definition of cheat
is "act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage."
and queueing like that is unfair
[6:56PM] Sir Woggles: explain how its acting dishonet or unfairly
no it isnt
because everyone can do it
[6:56PM] Mr Fahrenheit: just google
define: cheat
thats the definition of the wor
d
i dont need to explain it
[6:57PM] Sir Woggles: Can you please, for one second, try to understand something incredibly simply,
[6:57PM] Mr Fahrenheit: explain how acting dishonestly or unfairly is cheating?
[6:57PM] Sir Woggles: Its not unfair. Everyone is open to that option of queueing up. Anyone can do it. That means everyone has the same chance of doing it
Its fair
[6:58PM] Mr Fahrenheit: everyone can count cards in poker too
but not many people do
[6:58PM] Sir Woggles: thats completely different
[6:58PM] Mr Fahrenheit: everyone has the same chance?
but the point is doing it on purpose
[6:58PM] Sir Woggles: youre giving me a brain aneurysm
[6:58PM] Mr Fahrenheit: getting put on the same team
with your friends
in order to have an advantage
[6:59PM] Sir Woggles: not cheating, by definition, if you want to look at technicalities thats not cheating
[6:59PM] Mr Fahrenheit: which technicalities
the other 5 people dont know each other
[6:59PM] Sir Woggles: you said and i quote 'thats cheating, technically'
its not
[6:59PM] Mr Fahrenheit: maybe 2 or 3 of them do
[6:59PM] Sir Woggles: at all
[6:59PM] Mr Fahrenheit: it fits the definition of the word cheat
that i gave you
[6:59PM] Sir Woggles: no thats bullshit, because you can still matched against 5
No it doesnt
[6:59PM] Mr Fahrenheit: from a dictionary
you're not matched against 5 people
[6:59PM] Sir Woggles: Google, dishonest, and unfair
[6:59PM] Mr Fahrenheit: on skype
[6:59PM] Sir Woggles: and tell me how
theyre being dishonest
and unfair
by using a part of the system that riot has created
not the players, riot
the system, is unfair
the system is bullshit
[7:00PM] Mr Fahrenheit: lmao
[7:00PM] Sir Woggles: but its not the players cheating
am i fucking wrong?
[7:00PM] Mr Fahrenheit: well i think so but i dont think you can be convinced
so im not going to continue
[7:01PM] Sir Woggles: you cant argue with stupidity i suppose
[7:01PM] Mr Fahrenheit: jeeze
[7:01PM] Sir Woggles: have fun with your games
no dude, you cant stubbornly believe only your point, and not take someone elses into consideration
doesnt work like that
[7:01PM] Mr Fahrenheit: the irony
but then you're the one insulting me because i don't want to continue
when you're angry
[7:02PM] Sir Woggles: I have taken your definitions, your point, and i have argued against each point individually and addressedf them
every point ive made
youve just restated that its unfair
and that people are cheating
so please, explain as to how my statement was ironic
when i was taking into account everything you said
whereas you on the other hand, didnt give me a single answer
[7:04PM] Mr Fahrenheit: the part that is dishonest/unfair is setting up your role preferences and queueing individually
to intentionally get placed on the same team
against 5 people that don't know each other
which gives you a huge advantage
its not 5 friends doing it by accident
[7:05PM] Sir Woggles: youre just repeating yourself dude
ive already explained as to why that isnt unfair
and especially not dishonest
you arent lying to anyone
[7:06PM] Mr Fahrenheit: what
act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage.
OR
[7:06PM] Sir Woggles: dishonesty, do you know what that means?
[7:06PM] Mr Fahrenheit: the key word is or
i wouldn't call it dishonest either
but it's definitely unfair
[7:06PM] Sir Woggles: regardless, its not unfair
[7:06PM] Mr Fahrenheit: and its intentional
really
[7:06PM] Sir Woggles: all you have said, is that its unfair, and that they get an advantage
[7:07PM] Mr Fahrenheit: so the 5 people who get stomped
so you don't agree it gives an advantage?
[7:07PM] Sir Woggles: the 5 people who got stomped, are free to do the same thing they had
[7:07PM] Mr Fahrenheit: because if you queue as 5
you get placed vs another 5
[7:07PM] Sir Woggles: No stop talking, and take information in for once
[7:07PM] Mr Fahrenheit: and both teams have comms usually
[7:07PM] Sir Woggles: because you seem to not be doing that
[7:07PM] Mr Fahrenheit: but nobody is doing this
or if they are its very few
you keep making personal attacks as well
[7:08PM] Sir Woggles: The matchmaking system, doesnt always match you against the same amount of people, in fact most of the time, its just solo players, or duo/trio queues. regardless of how many you have
Because less people queue up as 5
[7:08PM] Mr Fahrenheit: it always matches 5 against 5
[7:08PM] Sir Woggles: thats a fact
no
it doesnt
[7:08PM] Mr Fahrenheit: in like 99% yeah
its like playing old team ranked
[7:08PM] Sir Woggles: right thats why they had so many pros complaining about that
[7:08PM] Mr Fahrenheit: it waits for ages for another 5
[7:08PM] Sir Woggles: yeah
okay
[7:08PM] Mr Fahrenheit: they did
and then riot fixed it
that was ages ago
[7:09PM] Sir Woggles: just asked another 4 people
none of them think its cheating
thats only you
[7:10PM] Mr Fahrenheit: lmao
so playing with 4 friends on skype
vs 5 random people
[7:10PM] Sir Woggles: because its using the system, someone else created
[7:10PM] Mr Fahrenheit: doesnt giveyou an advantage
?
[7:10PM] Sir Woggles: Its not cheating
[7:10PM] Mr Fahrenheit: its not unfair on the enemy team?
[7:10PM] Sir Woggles: I dont give a shit, youre obviously going to have an advantage, even if you have a trio against a duo, youll have an advantage
[7:11PM] Mr Fahrenheit: that's entirely unrelated
to 5 vs any non 5 combo
if the 5 are on skype and know each other
they have a huge advantage over any other combination
at the same elo
[7:11PM] Sir Woggles: you know, youre acting as if unfair is interchangeable with cheating
you realise that right?
[7:11PM] Mr Fahrenheit: as per the definition of the word
cheat
yes
"act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage."
[7:12PM] Sir Woggles: youre not acting unfairly though. the outcome is unfair on the enemy team, you queueing up and using a feature of the system, is not cheating
why can you not understand that
[7:12PM] Mr Fahrenheit: you are purposely manipulating matchmaking
to play as team of 5 vs a non 5
which is unfair
it's pretty simple
[7:13PM] Sir Woggles: you're closed minded
thats all ive got to say to you at this point
[7:13PM] Mr Fahrenheit: okay
[7:13PM] Sir Woggles: everyone ive asked
thinks its unfair on the enemies
fair enough
does that register as cheating? no
[7:14PM] Mr Fahrenheit: the word cheat has a lot of definitions
[7:14PM] Sir Woggles: because theyre using a system that someone else made (that by all means should be fixed.
well your definition fucking sucks
[7:14PM] Mr Fahrenheit: lool
[7:14PM] Sir Woggles: thats all ive got to say about it
[7:14PM] Mr Fahrenheit: i used the top one given by google
[7:14PM] Sir Woggles: cool, google is a robot
i thought youd have enough experience in the world to know what cheating is without a fucking definition given to you
[7:15PM] Mr Fahrenheit: how can you be so offensive and insulting just because of the tiniest disagreement
[7:15PM] Sir Woggles: but hey
[7:15PM] Mr Fahrenheit: it's insane
over the definition of a word
i didn't insult you once
and you kept doing it to me
[7:15PM] Sir Woggles: I insulted you twice
But sure
i kept doing it
and im so offensive
stupidity annoys me more than anything does. and youre incredibly closed minded. and those two go hand in hand
and thats why you believe your point is 100% accurate
and wont take anything else into consideration
[7:17PM] Mr Fahrenheit: okay
[7:17PM] Sir Woggles: im stubborn, for sure. but i still listen to other people, and not just blindly follow a google definition
because thats been your whole arguement thus far
surely, by now, after all of these years, youd have understood what a word means, without having to get a definition for it