Path of Principle

19:35 Monfd
fieryUSA: I decided to put you on ignore for 24 hours.
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Reason: Disposition that is incongruent with high quality dialogue.
eden
Monfd is gonna get himself permabanned any day now lol
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eden: Why?
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why did you get temp banned and kicked multiple times?
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I asked first.
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I will respond next.
eden
constantly announcing ignores in public and being a whiny moron
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eden: Your analysis is incomplete.
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Do you see what critical element you left out?
eden
when you ignored ops as well?
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You've still left out a critical element.
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It is insufficient to get banned or kicked by "announcing ignores in public and being a whiny moron".
eden
I could really give a shit less about anything else, or even what I've already said, it's your ass not mine
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eden: I accept your desire to leave this conversation.
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I put you on ignore, as your disposition is incongruous with high-quality dialogue between people.
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I will now answer your question, as you answered my question and reciprocity is a core human value.
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I get temp banned and kicked multiple times because my behavior is incongruent with the expectations of people in this room that have the ability to temp ban and kick multiple times.
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What, if anything should be done about that causality?
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That requires a philosophical analysis, of which there are many competing alternatives. My primary approach is this: Are those expectations just or are the unjust?
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If they are just, then I should modify my behavior. If they are not, I should ignore those expectations.
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It's pretty clear to me they are unjust expectations, and so I haven't modified my behavior.
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I am open to anybody who has a reputation of being a fair debater, and who thinks I am wrong, to make their case.
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If they are successful, I will update my worldview.
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What is interesting for me is that the average chatter, apparently finds the above naive, as it results in 'undesirable' consequences, rather than what it actually: brave and wise.
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But, then, long ago I learned I'm not an average human being and so that's already deeply integrated into my conception of self and the other.
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To reiterate, humans have a free association right that is borne from their psychology and pre-exists any state or social group. The ignore feature is a derived power of this innate free association right in digital communities.
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This framework is more powerful and above any contingent rules in any human community.
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The communication of ignore is a type of free expression which is a human right borne of human psychology. This right exists pre-state or any social group.
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Using Kohlberg's model of ethical development, we don't worry about whether or not some state we live in recognizes the above in their laws, as that is a lower form of thinking, specifically stage 4.
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At stage 6 in Kohlberg's model, we focus on abstract notions of justice and truth independent of the machinations of any constitution.
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So, no, none of the above rights are enforced as law by governments as Efnet is conceptualized as 'private property' in most secular governments in contemporary politics. This entirely irrelevant for people who reason at stage 6 of Kohlberg, e.g. myself.
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I don't do or do not because I'm going to get in trouble from some state government. I do or do not based of truth and justice alone.
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Citations:
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In Stage four (authority and social order obedience driven), it is important to obey laws, dictums, and social conventions because of their importance in maintaining a functioning society. Moral reasoning in stage four is thus beyond the need for individual approval exhibited in stage three. A central ideal or ideals often prescribe what is right and wrong. If one person violates a law, perhaps everyone would—thus the
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re is an obligation and a duty to uphold laws and rules. When someone does violate a law, it is morally wrong; culpability is thus a significant factor in this stage as it separates the bad domains from the good ones. Most active members of society remain at stage four, where morality is still predominantly dictated by an outside force.[2]
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In Stage six (universal ethical principles driven), moral reasoning is based on abstract reasoning using universal ethical principles. Laws are valid only insofar as they are grounded in justice, and a commitment to justice carries with it an obligation to disobey unjust laws. Legal rights are unnecessary, as social contracts are not essential for deontic moral action. Decisions are not reached hypothetically in a condi
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tional way but rather categorically in an absolute way, as in the philosophy of Immanuel Kant.[18] This involves an individual imagining what they would do in another's shoes, if they believed what that other person imagines to be true.[19] The resulting consensus is the action taken. In this way action is never a means but always an end in itself; the individual acts because it is right, and not because it avoids punis
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hment, is in their best interest, expected, legal, or previously agreed upon. Although Kohlberg insisted that stage six exists, he found it difficult to identify individuals who consistently operated at that level.[15] Touro College Researcher Arthur P. Sullivan helped support the accuracy of Kohlberg's first five stages through data analysis, but could not provide statistical evidence for the existence of Kohlberg's si
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xth stage. Therefore, it is difficult to define/recognize as a concrete stage in moral development.
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The solution to this problem, eden, of course, is to remove the operatorship of any of the people who have been kicking and banning and to promote people like me.
syd
hehe
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This rarely occurs, though, as most people remain in factional thinking. One of the primary values in the factional worldview is loyalty; so long as the unjust (from the stage 6 perspective) operator is loyal to the hierarchy, they may persist in their injustice.
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This pattern has been observed in Nazi Germany, Catholic rape culture, and Efnet operator hierarchies.
pigsaww_
ms. steffanie clifford (Stormy Daniels) has been ordered by some court, somewhere, to pay POTUS nearly 300K in legal fees or whatever----i'm conflicted about this.
pigsaww_
i'm conflicted about this.
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on the one hand, i hate the president.. on the other hand, even if i like ms.daniels personallly----her profession is ........stank and immoral
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Evolution, eden, appears to have made multiple types of people. I can observe at least two primary clusters of human cognition: 1) rule followers, 2) philosophers.
pigsaww_
now , she's in the adult enterteinament business, so she's not really a prostitute in the conventional sense
pigsaww_
she's also...ugly
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The evolutionary value of the rule-follower is that they maintain useful hierarchies that are Nash equilibria in their conflict with rival hierarchies.
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However, evolution hasn't just made rule followers. Why?
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Why are there some people from antiquity to the present day in this channel that appear to be so naturally incongruous with these hierarchies?
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You'll notice the rule-follower cannot ever give you the answer to this question, as that is not what they're optimized for.
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Only the philosopher can answer the question 'Why do philosophers exist?'
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It appears philosophers exist for two primary reasons: 1) they help analyze hierarchies to ensure they don't get stuck in local optima, and 2) they're an emergent phenomena in the continued unnecessary high intelligence of Homo sapiens.
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Various mathematical models in evolutionary dynamics have supported (1). (2) is somewhat more abstract, but, why, in general are we so smart as a species?
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We're far smarter than we need to be to merely survive. Our entire species is predicated upon the fact we're smarter than other lifeforms in our surroundings.
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We may not run the fast, or have the biggest claws, or the best long-range vision, but we sure can maintain complex internal state.
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This is the source of the entire human experience, eden. Everything ever wonderful ever built by humans that was hitherto unexperienced on the Earth's biosphere.
syd
thats garbage
syd
you think were smarter than we need to be
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To value our lives is to largely value the awareness of our species, and the most sublime version of that is the celebration of the smartest among us -- celebration of the philosopher.
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The smart and just philosopher is one of the most central figures in the improvement of human civilization.
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That is to be cherished and protected, not made to conform.
syd
dont post your flaky opinions like its some important statement about humans
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The philosophers in our species have a bright future.
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Now, an artistic presentation of this idea:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgAtOR57kAs

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Mr. Simms doesn't want it. He doesn't need to be labeled, "still worthy of being a 'Baird Man.'" What the hell is that? What is your motto here? "Boys, inform on your classmates, save your hide. Anything short of that, we're gonna burn you at the stake."? Well, gentlemen! When the shit hits the fan, some guys run and some guys stay. Here's Charlie, facing the fire, and there's George, hiding in Big Daddy's pocket. And w
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hat are you doing? You're gonna reward George, and destroy Charlie.
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Col. Slade: No, I'm just gettin' warmed up. I don't know who went to this place, William Howard Taft, William Jennings Bryan, William Tell, whoever. Their spirit is dead; if they ever had one, it's gone. You're building a rat ship here, a vessel for sea-going snitches. And if you think you're preparing these minnows for manhood, you better think again. Because I say you are killing the very spirit this institution procl
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aims it instills! What a sham! What kind of show are you guys puttin' on here today? I mean, the only class in this act is sittin' next to me. And I'm here to tell you, this boy's soul is intact. It's non-negotiable. You know how I know? Someone here — and I'm not gonna say who — offered to buy it. Only Charlie here wasn't selling.
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Col. Slade: Out of order? I'll show you out of order! You don't know what out of order is, Mr. Trask. I'd show you, but I'm too old, I'm too tired, I'm too fuckin' blind. If I were the man I was five years ago, I'd take a FLAMETHROWER to this place! Out of order?! Who the hell you think you're talking to?! I've been around, you know? There was a time I could see! And I have seen- boys like these, younger than these, the
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ir arms torn out, their legs ripped off! But there is nothin like the sight of an amputated spirit. There is... no prosthetic for that. You think you're merely sending this splendid foot-soldier back home to Oregon with his tail between his legs, but I say you are executing his soul! And why? Because he's not a "Baird man". Baird men. You hurt this boy, you're going to be Baird bums, the lot of ya. And Harry, Jimmy, Tre
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nt, wherever you are out there- fuck you, too!
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Col. Slade: I'm not finished! As I came in here, I heard those words, "cradle of leadership". Well, when the bow breaks, the cradle will fall. And it has fallen here, it has fallen! Makers of men, creators of leaders- be careful what kind of leaders you're producing here. I don't know if Charlie's silence here today is right or wrong; I'm not a judge or jury. But I can tell you this: he won't sell anybody out to buy his
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future! And that, my friends, is called integrity. That's called courage. Now that's the stuff leaders should be made of. [pause] Now I have come to the crossroads in my life. I always knew what the right path was; without exception, I knew. But I never took it. You know why? It was too...damn... hard. Now here's Charlie, he's come to the crossroads. He has chosen a path. It's the right path. It's a path made of princi
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ple, that leads to character. Let him continue on his journey. You hold this boy's future in your hands, Committee! It's a valuable future. Believe me! Don't destroy it! Protect it. Embrace it. It's gonna make you proud one day, I promise you. [sits down, round of applause from audience] How's that for cornball?
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I have completed my answer to your question, eden.