4chan Hazbin Hotel story - pure evil and ghost

from /hhg/ - Hazbin Hotel General #345
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Other serial killers roughly contemporaneous to Alastor, in no particular order:

Albert Fish, aka "The Gray Man" or "The Boogey Man": Serial child rapist and murderer in addition to being a cannibal. Apprehended and executed by electric chair.

Clementine Barnabet: A hoodoo (related to voodoo) practitioner who killed entire families, using an axe as her favored weapon and generally beheading her victims. Attempted to escape prison after capture but failed. Was later released, after which no known records of her exist

Eugene Butler: Serial killer who suffered from paranoia and hallucinations. Died after being placed in an asylum for these problems. His crimes and the bodies of his victims were not discovered until after his death.

Herman and Paul Petrillo: Serial poisoners/arsonists/general assassins who killed off individuals whom they'd taken out insurance policies on in order to collect on the policies.

Bertha Gifford: "Angel of Death"-type killer who fed poisoned food to the infirmed people she was charged with caring for. Died in an insane asylum.

Billy Gohl: Profit-motivated killer who targeted sailors passing though his area who were unlikely to be missed after disappearing. Died of pneumonia while serving a life sentence.

J Frank Hickey aka "The Postcard Killer": Poisoned his first victim, an adult, using laudanum to avoid trouble with his employer for being drunk on the job. Went on to strangle and sexually assault several children before his desire to taunt the public through post cards resulted in his capture.

Tillie Klimek: Poisoner who claimed to have precognitive abilities when in fact she was merely stating when she expected the regular doses of arsenic to finally kill her victims.
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Wait, that lady that beheaded people was fucking released
What in the name of god were they thinking
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>Tillie Klimek: Poisoner who claimed to have precognitive abilities when in fact she was merely stating when she expected the regular doses of arsenic to finally kill her victims.
Holy shit, this one is straight out of a fucking mystery novel, a villain of the week for Hercule Poirot.
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Honestly Alastor seems like a Eugene Butler kind of serial killer, his crimes were probably only solved until the 1980's or 90's when DNA testing came around.

Its possible as an in universe explanation as to why a prolific serial killer like Al would be as well known as someone like Bundy, Dahmer, BTK or Son of Sam could be that the case he was assigned to was classified by the FBI, maybe even put into something like the X Files due to the possibility of Al getting assistance from otherworldly forces
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>Honestly Alastor seems like a Eugene Butler kind of serial killer, his crimes were probably only solved until the 1980's or 90's when DNA testing came around.
No, I think his crimes were very well-known and publicized. Considering he's stuck in his 20s/30s style I want to assume he died in that era, and the only way he would have died then is if he was arrested and executed for his crimes or gunned down by the police red-handed. And if he was arrested, there's no way he didn't tell everyone and everyone about anything and everything he did.
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I mean why we, the audience dont
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Alastor died by dog-related incident
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Carl Panzram: Murderer, arsonist, rapist, and robber. Spent a good deal of his life either on the run from the law or incarcerated under his own name or an alias. Unlike many serial killers, he did not have a proper "hunting ground", an area he was intimately familiar and comfortable with to stalk his victims. He ranged across the country as part of his other crimes, and internationally as a sailor during the 20s. An extremely violent, nihilistic, and angry man, he would admit after his capture that he'd been contemplating poisoning an entire city's water supply and sabotaging a British ship in order to spark a war between the US and Britain. He refused to wear a hood when he was hanged, and insulted the executioner for taking too long to kill him, declaring that he could kill dozens in the time it was taking him to kill one.

Amy Archer-Gilligan: Profit-motivated serial poisoner who targeted the elderly residents of her nursing home. Presented an extremely religious and pious face to the world in order to reduce suspicion. Official body count is only 5, but less legally viable evidence points to a substantially higher number of victims. Declared insane and incarcerated in an asylum until her death. The inspiration for the play "Arsenic and Old Lace" and its film adaptation.

Joe Ball aka "The Alligator Man": Bootlegger who later opened a legitimate liquor business after the repeal of prohibition, which featured an alligator pond with 6 gators, whom he would feed live cats and dogs and possibly the remains of up to 20 women and girls he may have killed, including ex-lovers and his wife. He drew a handgun and committed suicide immediately upon being confronted by authorities regarding the disappearances of women in the area.

Eddie Adams: General criminal who killed both other criminals and policeman during a 14 month primarily profit-motivated crime spree across the midwest before being surround and gunned down by police after evading them several times
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Two killers who have never been identified:

The Cleveland Torso Murderer aka "The Mad Butcher of Kingsbury Run": Killer who targeted the impoverished and generally marginalized peoples, mainly in the "Roaring Third", before dumping the dismembered bodies in Kingsbury. Targeted both men and women, and is believed to have selected the victims out of convenience rather than having a specific "type", as some other killers did. Eliot Ness, of the famed "Untouchables", pursued the case for a time. He believed that the killer was a wide-ranger who used the common practice among hobo populations of hopping trains in search of work as a means of locating victims well outside their usual hunting grounds. His undercover operations traveling by rail throughout the country failed to ever yield results. Letters were discovered in Ness's personal effects following his death that appear to be the killer mocking him for failing to capture them. The killer reportedly also taunted him by leaving two of his victims bodies outside of his office window.

The Axe Man of New Orleans: Killer who tended to target Italian immigrants, popping a panel out of the back doors of his victim's houses to gain entrance, then attacking the residents with either their own axe or a straight razor. Although they would occasionally kill all residents, there exist cases where the men were spared while the women were killed, and the men he killed appeared to have been attempting to stop them from harming the women, leading some to suspect that the killer was motivated by a hatred of women or a severely warped sexuality. In a letter attributed to the Axe Man, they claim to be in league with "His Satanic Majesty" and to have a "close relationship" with the Angel of Death. They also mock the police for failing to catch them and claim a fondness for jazz music, declaring that they will soon embark on a killing spree but will leave the occupants of any building that is hosting a jazz band in peace
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Wonder if hazbins "pure evil" character is going to be Nyarlathotep
I'd really like to see a genuine outer god appear in hazbin, even make him stronger than both god or lucifer (or just a different kind of strength)
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Ol' crawling chaos wouldnt be a pure big bad
He would get bored of doing that
Hes more of a "give guns to cavemen tribes and watch the bloodshed" kind of god
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"give guns to cavemen tribes and watch the bloodshed"
Maybe he's secretly (or not so secretly) pulling the strings of not just hell, but reality itself, possibly via a cult, limited in scope for now but rapidly growing in size (kinda like the cult in Dusk)
Could even be that those black tentacles Al summons is simply a "gift" from Nyarlathotep, and Al dethroning a fuckton of overlords in the past could've been a part of a far greater scheme. That scheme doesn't have to be to take power (since a timeless Outer God is pretty much the apex of strength) but could end up blowing up the entirety of reality for the lulz
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Whos to say he hasnt done that already and hes pulled a, sorry for this, rick sanchez and just waltzed into a new reality to fuck around in
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It could be that he's not only motivated by fucking around and does have some legitimate plan going on that isn't just fucking with things for the hell of it.
All I know is that if he showed up, he either would have to be

1) Significantly nerfed or
2) Act as a kind of "immovable object" in the setting, since he's so far above even things like "god" or "the devil" and leagues above even the most powerful overlords
Charlie would have one hell of a mindfuck if she tried to get Nyarlathotep "redeemed" since his actions to him would be like how we view killing viruses with peroxide spray. Morality simply wouldn't apply to a being like that
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Maybe Satan, since he’s supposed to be a different character from Lucifer.
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He's actually a fairly good candidate for that, if we're going with the "Wants to punish people without mercy" characterization.
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Why do writers always make satan and lucifer two different characters? I see that shit all the time. They're supposed to be the same fucking being

They do the same fucking thing with Samael.
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i think it's a jewish thing
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It's Jewish mythology, and some interpretations of religious texts, including the Bible.
And it's fairly rare - the Devil has many names (Satan, Lucifer, Beelzebub, etc.), but typically one face.
Originally, (according to mythology) all of them were angels of God, who rebelled.
Their names, however, were often derived from the names of other religions that the Israelites and early Christians knew of, and labelled as "false gods", or idols.

I would add, however, that they aren't "supposed" to be anything - the Devil isn't a person. It's a force opposed to God, the force of Evil.
It may be personified as many things: a rebellious, narcissistic son who turned his back on a wise and loving, if strict father, a sadistic punisher without the grace or mercy of their master, or an inhuman beast that only knows how to corrupt, ruin and destroy.

The Devil CAN be many things, but isn't SUPPOSED to be anything - you can't really ascribe rules to Chaos, after all, only the notion that it exists and stands opposed to Order.

Lucifer, Satan, Beelzebub, Samael, Baal, Apollyon - all facets of the same, UNGodly force, given distinctive characteristics and personalities, so that aspects of what is Evil can more easily be identified.

But, for the writer, they're just handy characters to work with - bits of Abrahamic mythology, notions of Evil coming in many forms, personalities to mold to preconceived notions of who is supposed to be what.


>Why do writers always make satan and lucifer two different characters?

Well, first of all, not always. I'm genuinely surprised you even believe that, unless it's a hyperbole.
And second, because they can - the pieces are all there, all they have to do is pick up the ones they want to work with, and go from there.


That concludes today's lecture.
I expect an 4,000 word essay by next class, and remember to bring your copies of the Holy Bible, "Paradise Lost" and "The Tragedy of Man", for we'll be discussing the character of Lucifer.
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Here's an idea:
We know that Heaven and Hell, and, by extension, angels and demons, exist in the Hazbin universe.
We can also surmise that there's no Purgatory, because the Hotel wouldn't exist if there was one.

So, if there isn't an "in between" place for mortal souls who want to leave their sins behind, aside from the mortal realm itself...
...Does that mean that ghosts exist?


Moreover, since Hell's architecture seems to be riddled with life (quite literally, the buildings have eyes)...
...What if the Hotel is haunted?

Not in the sense that something horrible had happened in it, making it haunted BY something - but rather, what if the building itself is discontent?
Malicious, even?
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the Happy Hotel is actually the soul of the Overlook Hotel from The Shining after being burned down and "killed" and therefore sent to Hell.
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Could be.
I was actually thinking of something more vague...
Something along the lines of the ideas discussed here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mexs39y0Imw
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If the hotel itself was alive it would introduce a rogue element to any redemption shit going on in there. Charlie would need to get on good terms with the building itself in order to not have it constantly interfering with her plans, Event Horizon-style.