Serenity Incident Receipt - 8/15/2018

HoneyBat: When you're loaded hop on in here.
Serenitykay09: Is it about when I didn't quite know what to do on Topless Tuesday?
HoneyBat: I am not sure what you mean about Topless Tuesday. I hadn't heard anything about you having issues with it. Did you have issues with it? I can answer any questions about that really quickly.
Serenitykay09: I love your outfit by the way. :)
HoneyBat: Thanks.
Serenitykay09: It was when he tipped one gift. I didn't know that automatically resumed to it being a 10 minute nude tease.
Serenitykay09: I'll let you get what you have out of the way first.
HoneyBat: Oh. A lot of new girls get really confused by the discount days. Just check the website if you are ever unsure. It has the discount day prices.
Serenitykay09: Thank you, I didn't see it in the group.
HoneyBat: So I know we spoke before about your feelings toward Katie and how you percieved her openning for playful banter to be an attack. I thought we had moved past that and we would be able to proceed as normal, bury the hatchet so to speak. However it's been brought to my attention that both you and Angel have a lot of complaints about Katie. I don't allow drama to flourish at my clubs so I wanted to deal with it now. So lets talk about those feelings about Katie together.
Serenitykay09: Brought to your attention? I've purposely kept those feelings inside because I know I have no right to say anything. The only person who knows anything is Angel but that's from what I tell her outside of IMVU. I consider her a friend that is not just on IMVU.
HoneyBat: Well I recieved reports from other management as it is their job to notify me of anything going on. Angel was also not as discrete as you were. So it was brought out that you are both concerned with what they do in real life as well as have a grudge that she appears to talk down to you in some way.
Serenitykay09: Oh my, why would you do that Angel? Anyways, to sum it up let me first start by saying I'm not a hateful person considering all the shit people have put me through and done me wrong there is only one single person on this Earth that I hate. I choose to like everybody because it takes extra energy to make enemies and having friends is so much nicer. From the day I met Katie I've always wanted to be her friend but the way things are it's just not agreeing with me. At first I felt like it was maybe just a personality I didn't understand but as time goes on I feel like this isn't just being playful this is being mean on purpose. I may be wrong but she must have some extreme personality I do not understand. Which to me if you do have one of those personalities you should be consider of the people you meet by letting them know.
Serenitykay09: be considerate*
Serenitykay09: I feel things may not be such an issue if I were to learn to understand her more? I don't know at this point.
Serenitykay09: But as promised I've kept everything inside, kept it professional and friendly.
HoneyBat: I should start with then letting you know, regardless of how you feel about Katie or how her personality is, asking shady questions like "That's my question is how is she adulting without a job that puts money into her bank account lol" is not okay. Those sorts of questions are designed to fuel drama and not a positive reinforcement of any sort. From what I have been seeing between you and Angel there is very little speaking with Katie and very much taking this one moment of flirting, which multiple sources have agreed was playful banter that is normal on stage, and running with it. You both from the way you speak about and to her look for any reason at all to judge or dislike her. Katie does not have an extreme personality. Katie's personality is obsessing over Maria Brink, and making slutty jokes. I think the best way to proceed would be to bring Katie in here and have you two talk it out. I don't want this animosity to continue.
Serenitykay09: That question wasn't meant to be hurtful in anyway it was a legit question. I wanted to know how she is able to run her life without needing an "actual" job that direct deposits into her bank account because girl share! I don't like my real life job.
HoneyBat: That question at the time it was ask and the way that it was phrased was not a simple curiosity.
Serenitykay09: But anyways, I just... I don't know Honey.. I thought that I wasn't causing an harm but if I am I guess I can just keep my mouth shut... I just don't feel comfortable talking about this because it's going to change the way Katie views me and how everyone views me.
Serenitykay09: Not telling a soul is an easy task for me.
HoneyBat: Well I would like to proceed with pulling Katie in here and you two talking it out with me to mediate. Katie is not the type to hold a grudge.
Serenitykay09: Before you do
Serenitykay09: Give me a second to breathe before I type this.
Serenitykay09: Alright.
Serenitykay09: So my true 100 percent honest opinion.
Serenitykay09: Why she rubs me the wrong way
Serenitykay09: Because I feel like this is more than just to impress the clients. I feel like maybe she has insecurities deep within herself that may cause her to do it but... Even when clients aren't around... I feel like... well... she brags just to brag... and I don't like that especially since I'm so new. I don't know just the vibe I get off her doesn't seem kind... it seems like... She feels she needs all the men or she's not confident or something... idk.... But it just bothers me.
Serenitykay09: And after just what happened on stage with Sins. I was unaware of him being her regular but I feel she just has this like.... vicious... jealousy? I guess? Of anyone trying to get clients but her. I hope I'm making sense.
Serenitykay09: It's taking a little time but I'm already moving on. I know in life you don't always run into people that you see eye to eye with and that's fine. We don't need to be besties in order to work at the same club as long as everything is kept professional and kind especially while working with one another.
HoneyBat: Katie hustles hard. She busts ass to put on a playful demeanor and be available at all hours for her clients. This is a job she has been doing for a while that she is passionate about and she works it hard. She regularly offers to teach new girls and is more than happy to. Honestly you are projecting really hard onto her. Why would she be jealous? You were just hired. That flirting was basic flirting we all do. Every girl on our stage plays right back with regulars because the LOVE that shit. They love seeing girls play at how often they have them.
HoneyBat: I'm unsure of how many more ways to explain this to you so I think I'm just going to pull her in and maybe talking to her will allow you to lay this matter to rest.
Serenitykay09: x_x
HoneyBat: When you're all loaded Katie come have a sat with us.
HoneyBat: Lets move to my couches and get comfy. Less stuffy that way
Paralyzer: Am loaded.~
HoneyBat: Alright well let me open the floor here. Starting with Serenity lets talk about how you feel about Katie and hash some things out. Now is the time to say how you feel as well as ask any questions you have. Katie is very open and has agreed to answer any questions as much as she can. Just don't ask for her address. ;P
Serenitykay09: Before I say anything. Are you positive this is necessary? Before you invited her I was about to say that things similar to this happen to me even in real life, not nearly as extreme but they do. In my day to day real life job I stand side to side working with people I wish I could just punch in the face but instead I keep a smile and stay professional all day long.
Serenitykay09: This scenario isn't as extreme is what I was referring to in case my wording was confusing at all.
HoneyBat: Well if you feel like punching her in the face it's very neccessary.
Serenitykay09: Heavens no
HoneyBat: Either way this is how professionals and adults handle their business. They talk directly with the person they aren't getting along with and they work it out.
Serenitykay09: Blah. Fine. Time to bite the bullet I guess. I didn't want to say anything because I didn't want to change the way that you viewed me Katie. I have no negative towards you as a person in any way because that simply is not my personality type because I try to be friends with everybody. From the way that Honey has been trying to get at me to understand is your work ethic has been what has caused my negative feelings and confusion. I'm not going to sugar coat so I'll be blunt. I feel like you brag just to brag sometimes and to me it's hurtful. Honey has been explaining to me the whole situation about how girls will brag about experiences with clients because it's something the clients really enjoy and it makes them feel special. But for me it started when we were on stage flirting with Sins which I didn't know was your regular when I started getting rubbed the wrong way. I'm sure you're fully aware what it was said that made me raise an eyebrow. I still have under a month compiled of experience on stages which I believe may be nursing these thoughts I'm having as well. Overall, I feel like you become jealous if anybody tries to get clients other than yourself and want to brag about it even when clients aren't around as an ego boost of some sort.
Serenitykay09: To add on, it also threw me off guard and I had no idea what to even write after that what you said about my flirt to Sins.
Paralyzer: I am not exactly sure what you mean by bragging? But I do not get jealous over pixels men who offer me money. I do this as a job, also the sins thing. I always ignitiate a playful back and forth with other girls.  Like if you said the same thing to me I would say "Well let's combine our lipstick colors together!" It had no bad intention.
Serenitykay09: Well I'm glad I got to hear your reasoning because not knowing your reasoning was what stumped me into finding another way around it. I simply had no clue on why you would say it. I'm also glad I know your true intentions when you're on stage.
Serenitykay09: Before Honey even initiated we had this talk I already knew there was something about you I wasn't getting the full picture on.
HoneyBat: I'm glad hearing it from someone else made it clear to you. I couldn't seem to get through to you.
Serenitykay09: I remember when I went to apply to Krave which Honey recommended to me before I came strutting up onto this stage there was a certain rule. The rule was that basically there was no competition between other girls. Once a guy had "locked on" on his girl you backed off. Because he was showing no interest in one particular girl I continued. When you said that I guess it kinda brought me back to that sort of idea which lit the idea of you "Wanted to verbally push me out of the way". I've never been into a club where "gentle fake cat fighting" was a thing.
HoneyBat: Telling girls to back off really just fosters more competition. If you want girls to get along and to remove the feeling of needing to complete for business is to cooperate and tag team the client. It's much more team building to work together to get the client to spend money than for all the other girls to leave "your client" alone. I will copy paste something in the Hooker Tips With Honey channel here for you that perfectly applies. I do reccomend you read that channel on your time as well.
HoneyBat: "There is no such thing as a girl hogging the stage. No girl can take the stage from you no matter what they do. If you feel like you are being upstaged reflect on your own behaviors instead of lashing out and blaming it on the girls around you. Things to look at include considering what it is about the other girl that has captured the client's interest. This does not mean become the other girl. Pay attention to if they are responding well to uplifting engaging conversation. Or are they responding to certain interests. Always be taking notes on what clients appear to like and consider how you can work that in your own way. It should always be an encouraging not competitive environment. Some clients will want a blonde and you're not a blonde. Or they want a small ass and you have a fat one. It's a visual and personal environment so it is important to remember that and focus on yourself. Stage stealing is not a thing. Be smart, confident, and always growing and you will find the clients that are looking for something only you have every time."
Serenitykay09: I'm aware of that channel and have read it. When I sat back and thought to myself I was like "Well... she has just a lot of previous experience with them? That's why they like her? They wouldn't want to waste their time with somebody knew if they already know what they want." So at that point I feel like my hands were tied. What was I supposed to do if no man wanted to even look my way because they already all know what they want?
Serenitykay09: somebody new* rip.
HoneyBat: This then brings me back to the point I made in your interview. Your confidence issues is the sword you are falling on right here.
Serenitykay09: I don't see it that way. Perhaps you could guide me to another reason as to why they go for her?
HoneyBat: I am unsure of how to make it simpler for you. You doubt yourself. You project that you are not good enough, therefore you give up early. The clients can tell which girls are having fun and out there to bring their mood up and which girls are not. Putting out an attitude of insecurity in your own abilities makes them also doubt you and therefore choose other girls.
Serenitykay09: To bluntly put it Honey.... I have... I've put on such the widen fake cheery smile trying to get their attention. When I do? They cherry pick any flaws in my writing they could possibly find or down right ignore me.
Serenitykay09: wide*
HoneyBat: If it's fake it's not going to work.
HoneyBat: You have to be secure in you. You need to take time and work with yourself on building your own confidence.
Serenitykay09: I guess... I wasn't even that upset until Chalky felt the need to just start insulting me in front of everyone when all I was trying to do is show him a good time.
HoneyBat: This industry is not a nice one I tell girls this time and time again. You have to know you can do what you're doing because everyone is going to judge you.
HoneyBat: Well he did not insult you but he challenged you and clients will do that.
HoneyBat: I think perhaps you should question within yourself if this is even something you want to be doing as you seem to just be stressing about everything rather than actually enjoying your work.
Serenitykay09: I'm aware Honey, I'm not trying to make you feel like a broken record and to be honest with you I have. I've thought to myself on well why is this happening? What is it I can improve on? Is all of this worth it? In my conclusion I told myself yes because I'm not a quitter and I'm going to prove them wrong. About 90% of me truly believes all of my problems are really just rooting down to the fact I don't know this industry well enough yet because I lack the experience. Especially the way that you run your clubs because it seems to be different than others.
HoneyBat: There's no one to prove wrong. However if you are aware that you lack experience I suggest that in the future you handle your feelings fully and properly bury the hatchet before becoming offended at standard practice. Every club runs a little differently but there are some general shared properties. Recognizing you are new your response should not be to make assumptions but to talk to and actually listen to what the people around you are saying.
Serenitykay09: I'm a birdy that instead of beginning to fly out the nest I went whack and I'm hitting a few branches down the tree until I finally pick myself and fly away to join everybody else. Your final sentence on that last messages it that referring to Katie and yourself
Serenitykay09: yourself?*
HoneyBat: Do you feel like we can move on from here with no more jealousy and squabbles with Katie? That last sentence refers to all of the managers and girls who have been doing this a long time.
HoneyBat: Though I've been doing this a decade and Katie has been doing this for several years as well.
Serenitykay09: Almost. I'm not quite done talking to Katie yet.
Serenitykay09: To answer your question Katie. I guess it's moreso as... okay this is going to sound mean as fuck I don't know a nice way to put that and for that I'm sorry. But I feel like you find any reason to talk about all the clients you get.
Serenitykay09: Even when it's not even really relatively related to the topic at hand
HoneyBat: People typically talk about the things they're actively doing.
HoneyBat: Seeing as every 5 minutes I hear her invites go off...
HoneyBat: However I'm going to cut Katie off real fast and just bring this around. We're being a broken record here again. You already mentioned that you feel like all she does is talk about it and throw it in everyone's face. That has been talked about already.
HoneyBat: It would help if you'd give an example of this bragging since Katie asked for one and there still hasn't been any provided for us to explain to you or work on.
Serenitykay09: I would have to disagree. She answered me about the confusion I had on stage which helped me understand the stage "competition" thing. I guess a great example would be when she started talking about when she hit 1 million credits because of her escorting.
HoneyBat: Uh that is something to be excited about I am unsure how that is bragging.
Paralyzer: ^
HoneyBat: Strippers talk to each other constantly about their highest accomplishments in credits or hitting a mil.
Serenitykay09: I unfortunately don't have much example to lead off of. I still get confused between Bee and Bunny.
HoneyBat: In ten years of stripping I have never had a million credits on my account at one time.
Serenitykay09: My thoughts get quite jumbled.
HoneyBat: She if she wants to talk about it every single day I would still clap for her. I screamed about it more than she has as we support each other here and hype up each others accomplishments.
HoneyBat: *If she wants
Serenitykay09: Alright.
Serenitykay09: Now that we've had this talked I'm sitting here letting all the dots connect and see as to why you both have confusion.
Serenitykay09: and that I do realize I was wrong
HoneyBat: Hello there. We're currently in a meeting. Is there something I can do for you?
TheUltimateTruth: sorry, i will leave if you wish
HoneyBat: Yes please.
TheUltimateTruth: seeya
Serenitykay09: Once again I'm sorry to Katie and you as well Honey since you took effort into this. Just be known that if any other major questions or concerns do come along that I will be most likely notifying you Honey since you are the boss rather than a manager who can answer general questions. I'm embarrassed because this happens to me in real life too and it's one of my insecurities. One of the side effects of my mental disorders is I become delusional and I get this idea set into my head that I 100% believe is true. It's improved over the years but I still have them or I'll do something and someone will say wtf why did you do that? and my only reply is "Did what?" They'll say it and I'll have no clue what they're even talking about.
Serenitykay09: My only request from you both is to bear with me. It will definitely get easier from here on out.
Serenitykay09: From lack of experience, to mental health issues, to even just simply not perfect self esteem it's all things that will only improve with time.
HoneyBat: Listen nothing bugs me more than skipping the managers. The managers are there to answer your questions. I am so so so busy with the party in two weeks. I have two whole rooms to texture and 30 individual invitations to send out. Please go to a manager first. If they don't know they will come to me. They are trained to give you the answers I would give you. Pretty much everyone on IMVU has mental disorders honestly. I am diagnosed with PTSD, chronic depression, and anxiety which interferes with my ability to properly socialize out in the real world. We do understand mental issues however we take ownership of our actions breakdown or not.
HoneyBat: I have to move on to another meeting here so it would be best if you could clear out now. Thank you for taking the time to talk with me and work this out with Katie. If you have more questions you know how to reach any of the management.
HoneyBat: Katie you can dip too.
Paralyzer: Okies byeee ^^
Serenitykay09: I'm not good at swallowing my pride when it comes to them. :/ Thank you Honey and I will go to management first especially since the problem that I did have with one of the managers is over.
Serenitykay09: You think she's still gonna like me? :/
HoneyBat: Katie doesn't hold grudges.
Serenitykay09: Well. Alright. Thank you and have a good night Honey.
HoneyBat: Night Serenity