[20:01] Reid: Ahoy, I'm not late
[20:01] invocateur: heya
[20:01] WildX: 1 minute late get out
[20:02] Adoolah: r funky hats the new thing now?
[20:02] EJpirate demands a rare hat because reid was late
[20:02] WildX: Gumi and I have merged into the most beautiful creature to ever walk the streets of Hurnscald
[20:02] WildX: You're welcome
[20:02] Adoolah: good good, i can sell my extra funky for a lot...
[20:02] Reid: hold on I change the keyboard...
[20:02] fether: only old players have rare hats :(
[20:03] Adoolah: wats ur point
[20:03] Rift Avis isn't old and has some rare hats.
[20:03] EJpirate: reid: dont tell me you use azerty, or some other kind of weird keyboard ;_;?
[20:03] Adoolah: u can purcase rare hats
[20:03] fether: where?
[20:03] Adoolah: ive purchased most of mine
[20:03] Adoolah: from players
[20:03] fether: yeah good luck on that
[20:03] Adoolah: this cap took a whole list of my rares, sadly
[20:03] Amarynthus: She had an esperanto keyboard
[20:03] Amarynthus: Oh wait, that's Rift
[20:03] WildX: azerty gives me a headache
[20:03] Rift Avis: I use Dvorak.
[20:04] fether: i use no keyboards
[20:04] WildX: I tell my assistant what to type
[20:04] Reid: perfect, I can finally type without spending 1minute per key
[20:04] invocateur: I use dvorak , qwerty , azerty
[20:04] Adoolah: typewriter?
[20:04] Rift Avis: fether has become one with the chatbox.
[20:04] Dryt: rill, put the eyepatch on just for like a min
[20:04] Reid: alige!!!
[20:05] Amarynthus: I don't use a keyboard.  I don't use the manaplus client ... or even a computer.
[20:05] Adoolah: since when has ali-g gotten so famous
[20:05] Adoolah: oi
[20:05] Amarynthus: I tap out code manually on a frayed ethernet cable here
[20:05] Adoolah: talk to me old pal
[20:05] WildX: If Alige won't come to WildX...
[20:05] Adoolah: u havent forgotten me have u?
[20:05] Dryt: hey rill, someone missed the target on top of your head and got your eye instead
[20:05] Adoolah: cmon i didnt leave for that long
[20:05] Dryt: sorry for your loss
[20:06] Reid: Ok I believe we are late enough to start
[20:06] Rill: thanks, DryT
[20:06] fether: are we getting new quests and items or weapons here?
[20:06] Dryt: that was the reason i wanted you to put it on lmao
[20:06] Gumi: WUT
[20:06] WildX: I haven't prepared at all for this meeting so I guess we'll just chat about plans and things
[20:06] Dryt: G spot turn on pvp for a moment
[20:06] Dryt: i wanna say hi
[20:06] Reid: I prepared two-three things
[20:06] Reid: ej!
[20:06] Rill: hi
[20:06] Amarynthus: Is one of them the new game? :;p
[20:07] EJpirate: hello :)
[20:07] WildX: Okay I have one point
[20:07] Rift Avis: Give it a few decades, Amarynthus.
[20:07] WildX: 1. IT'S NOT A NEW GAME
[20:07] Dryt: its a sequel
[20:07] Reid: I believe it is for the best for everyone to keep that meeting's monologue as short as possible
[20:07] Reid: so I guess I will start
[20:08] Belgar: !
[20:08] fether: we need more content that for sure
[20:08] Reid: the development of the merge hasn't progressed for some weeks/months now
[20:08] fether: months or years xd ?
[20:08] 4144: soon will be year
[20:09] WildX: To be fair we had some good activity this past Autumn
[20:09] Gumi: aka alige made lamps and I made npcs
[20:09] Reid: although, I will push some progress of the merge to obtain a good half of tmw ported into the revolt server
[20:10] Gumi: ...
[20:10] Reid: I don't plan to port things as properly as we wanted, but at least we will have a basic version that we will be able to rework and fix the way we want
[20:10] fether: cant we hire some good pixel artists ?
[20:10] Reid: so the redo of hurnscald won't happen until we have a ported version of tmw into revolt
[20:10] Gumi: ......
[20:10] Gumi: we can't just port npcs as-is
[20:10] Gumi: the variables are entirely different
[20:10] Reid: I didn't say so
[20:10] Gumi: the quest log too
[20:10] Reid: I said the good half, let me finish please
[20:11] Reid: I won't get into technical talks but we will port graphism, basic gameplay and memorable quests as is
[20:12] Reid: I understand that some players doesn't like to loose all of their progress into that new server, so I would like to reopen some talks about the port of some player's progress throughout the new server
[20:12] Warp Mage: Could old quests and currently unobtainable items such as Scarab Amulet be re-instated, please?
[20:12] Reid: don't dream, you won't keep your 100 funky hats, but I'm talking about levels and some progress items/points
[20:12] skellington: rein: reid . to interject here
[20:12] skellington: rein:  thats the isngle most often questiond bit ihear in regards to the merge
[20:12] skellington: rein:  will i keep my progress
[20:12] skellington: rein:  i hear it over and over
[20:13] Reid: yep, and we did not intend to for some reasons
[20:13] cleaner_evil: i can keep my exp and level?
[20:13] Gumi: we already voted on this issue, why is it still on the table?
[20:13] skellington: rein:  lol
[20:13] skellington: rein: demand
[20:13] Reid: although, I would better like to work on a dirty merged mess rather than nothing at all or in legacy only
[20:13] Amarynthus: do "progress items" include illia weapons?
[20:13] WildX: The problem with that is that you will not get to enjoy a lot of new content intended for lower levels if you start at max lvl
[20:13] Dryt: what lvl will i keep?
[20:13] Reid: it is still on the table because the merge is still not done and tmw is highly loosing players, that is why
[20:13] cleaner_evil: yes
[20:13] Dryt: kidding, kidding
[20:14] Gumi: level is capped to 70 right now so no illia
[20:14] Amarynthus: k
[20:14] skellington: rein: i say its a good choice
[20:14] skellington: rein: to figure some way to handle it
[20:14] Reid: nothing is decided, these things will be voted and decided by you, in function of your results we will see what is doable and what is not
[20:14] cleaner_evil: i want keep my level and progress %%h
[20:15] Rill: to keep levels would be a good incentive to stay
[20:15] Gumi: we don't even have magic skills, not even a working bow... maybe we should focus on game mechanics?
[20:15] 4144: was bows without sprites already. but reid removed it
[20:15] Nernst: I second the incentive to stay bit.
[20:15] Amarynthus: Ah, so I can keep my high level archer and mage ... who can't shoot arrows or use magic :/
[20:15] Reid: I added a new bow, it is working
[20:15] WildX: The way I see it is if you keep your levels you will quickly run out of things to do, just like you do here. If you start fresh you get to enjoy all the new content.
[20:15] Reid: basic gameplay is present and working
[20:15] cleaner_evil: you can set new quest and items to keep incentive
[20:15] Aisen: I played a lot of browsergames during the years and found that a complete reset sometimes does only good
[20:16] Dryt: the new musiv sounding good?
[20:16] Reid: now we have to fill the game with more content from this tmw, thus we can work on extending in quality after
[20:16] Reid: if we only want quality we will just fail as much as in evol
[20:16] skellington: rein:  agreed
[20:16] skellington: rein:  and there are some gems here
[20:16] Rill: high levels help lower level players
[20:16] Reid: if anybody has a better idea of how to manage all of this I'm pleased to listen to it :) Althogh our time is limited and many of us saw the number of player dropping over months
[20:17] cleaner_evil: tmw server go to close? go to dead?
[20:17] skellington: rein: iv been seeing alot of new users  as of late but it may just be in contrast
[20:17] Reid: so stay realistic
[20:17] WildX: People are always coming back to see what changed, when they come back to a new working server we might recover some players too
[20:17] Rift Avis: Many new players come here lately, yes.
[20:17] cleaner_evil: i preffer stay here them if go to lost my lvls and exp
[20:17] Adoolah: y'all recovered me
[20:17] Nernst: I'll be disappearing soon, fo ra bit. No choice.
[20:17] Amarynthus: Reid, many of us do not know the line between realistic and unrealistic as we don't tinker with the server code.
[20:18] 4144: cleaner_evil legacy server will stay as is. without updates
[20:18] Reid: I will try to explain what is realist and what is not realist in the forum thread
[20:18] Amarynthus: Like saying some progress items may stay - what does that mean.  Gumi gave a good concrete answer based on his knowledge of the code ... that helps me.
[20:18] Gumi: I'd stay for now let's set the next milestone to porting hurnscald & tulimshar, that seems realistic
[20:18] Reid: but there are some basic knowledge that are known from most, if you port all of the economic and balance fail into the new project, it won't permit us to work on a good quality economy
[20:18] skellington: rein: when hurns is up and running
[20:19] skellington: rein:  il join the whole mess in beta server
[20:19] Gumi: hurnscald is basically entirely rewritten, it really just needs a map
[20:19] Reid: milestone remains the same, we port hurns and tulim, we just lower our standard in profit to have something concret
[20:19] Reid: exactly gumi
[20:19] skellington: rein:  by map you mean it neads tiles
[20:19] Reid: and by lowering our standards we will be able to have hurns pretty fastly into the new server
[20:19] skellington: rein: using same layout or remap
[20:20] Reid: tiles are present, we even have most of the new tilesets needed for the redo of hurns and other places, we just don't have the time to remap these parts
[20:20] skellington: rein: i seee the actual conversion
[20:20] Reid: so let's not remap these parts for now, those that have time will do it once we have something to show
[20:20] skellington: rein: tileset to map
[20:20] Gumi: would be funny to obstruct some paths with construction cones while we working on adding those maps
[20:20] skellington: rein: lol
[20:20] Reid: eh, that's how they did in 2006~2010
[20:20] skellington: rein: monster comes and eats anyone who leaves wiht that exit
[20:21] skellington: rein:  lol
[20:21] WildX: sexy construction worker NPCs
[20:21] Reid: barrels and construction cones to hide missing maps
[20:21] Rift Avis: And if you talk to a cone, it gives you a link to VLC.
[20:21] Amarynthus: WildX, we'd also need a cop, a sailor, and an indian.
[20:21] skellington: rein: lol
[20:21] Nernst: Or no tresspassing signs that if breached, end in instant death/tellyport
[20:21] skellington: rein: lolol
[20:21] WildX: LOL
[20:21] Reid: we already have a sexy legion NPC that is blocking the norther map of artis in the beta servers
[20:21] skellington: rein:  rickroll everyone
[20:21] Reid: server*
[20:21] 4144: in tulim in old maps was guards
[20:21] WildX: Old Tulim > New Tulim
[20:21] Warp Mage: I was refraining from suggesting "Demon Mouboos" as construction cones :)
[20:21] skellington: rein:  yeah  that did well
[20:21] skellington: rein:  i always as a new user wondered hso to pass them
[20:22] skellington: rein:  it gave the illusion that it was just offlimits
[20:22] skellington: rein:  not missing
[20:22] Gumi: wildx has a point, do we want to port the old tulim map or the current one?
[20:22] skellington: rein:  i like the old one
[20:22] cleaner_evil: the new game dragons, fairys, orcs?
[20:22] WildX: There are a lot of maps that used to be better in their previous versions
[20:22] cleaner_evil: the new game have dragons, fairys, orcs?
[20:22] Amarynthus wonders what the "old" one is, I've seen several versions of Tulim over the years
[20:22] Gumi: but the new nivalis is infinitely better than the old one though
[20:22] WildX: No dragons no fairies no orcs, I banned all cliche fantasy elements
[20:23] skellington: rein:  theone when the landbridge was bring widley used
[20:23] Adoolah: old one is better, personally
[20:23] skellington: rein:  and right before it was removed
[20:23] BoxOfShame: What's going on?
[20:23] Dryt: nothing, stay in your box
[20:23] Nernst: lol
[20:23] skellington: rein:  cuts eye hole sin boxes box
[20:23] Rift Avis: I dunno, banning cliche elements sounds kinda cliche to me. :/
[20:23] Amarynthus: Shamed him.
[20:23] Okurwieniec: shit is hitting the fan dont worry dropbox
[20:23] BoxOfShame climbs out
[20:23] Dryt: lol
[20:23] BoxOfShame: I'm free.
[20:23] skellington: rein: nah just in a bigger box
[20:24] WildX: We have new races, they're just more originals than just orcs and elves
[20:24] WildX: -s
[20:24] Rift Avis: Elves got renamed to something else.
[20:24] Amarynthus: So now we can have racists?
[20:24] BoxOfShame cut's hole in box and climbs out
[20:24] Amarynthus: Does that mean we're electing a president?
[20:24] skellington: rein: bigger box still
[20:24] BoxOfShame: Now I'm free.
[20:24] Gumi: actually what am I even saying... whatever map we port will just be temporary so which version doesn't matter
[20:24] WildX: Racism is still not allowed, but stay tuned
[20:24] Nernst: *Stupid Question Warning*:
[20:24] WildX: Gumi, it's about the layout though
[20:24] Nernst: Have I gathered that this server will soon be depracated?
[20:25] skellington: rein: throw the old landbridge tulim
[20:25] skellington: rein:  ha
[20:25] Gumi: we could
[20:25] skellington: rein: it already is nernst
[20:25] Nernst: *deprecated
[20:25] Reid: anyway, we will just port what is interesting from this version of tmw into the new server, for changes like putting the old tulim instead of the new tulim we will do it after
[20:25] WildX: This server will remain online for as long as it is possible, which isn't forever
[20:25] Amarynthus: Currently deprecated, it may soon be defecated.
[20:25] Nernst: ic
[20:25] Reid: the main goal is to have something somewhere where players can play without the fear of a crash
[20:25] Adoolah: i wonder if i'm interesting enough
[20:25] Rift Avis: Nernst: If someone will be willing to maintain this old server, they will be given the possibility. Is that right, devs?
[20:25] Nernst: Well, that's certainly a good way to discourage players.... at least here.
[20:25] WildX: Open Source so yes
[20:26] cleaner_evil: letme know about future's tmw projet and new game when you have the final decition
[20:26] Reid: and somewhere where we can work actively on new contents without loosing half of our time dealing with the server oldness
[20:26] Nernst: Alas, I cannot volunteer
[20:26] Dryt: whats your phone number
[20:26] cleaner_evil is confused
[20:26] Gumi: the legacy repos are frozen, but you are free to fork and improve
[20:26] skellington: rein: id volunter but my plates full too
[20:26] Rift Avis: WildX: That's not a matter of free software (“open source”), but rather if you would give them access to the server and the current world and player set-up, isn't it?
[20:26] skellington: rein:  have te resources but not hte time
[20:26] Gumi: tmwAthena is pretty much unmaintainable though
[20:26] Reid: remember something, there are reasons we drop this server software and that we work on the new revolt version
[20:26] WildX: cleaner_evil it's okay the meeting about development on this server is currently taking place next door, don't be scared if nobody's there, it's because nobody's working on it.
[20:27] BoxOfShame: This place is crowded.
[20:27] Reid: if you are not able to understand them, we can discuss them again and again on irc or on the forum, but I do believe anyone actively working on tmw understand these issues
[20:27] WildX: My point
[20:27] Nernst Another stupid question Warning
[20:27] Nernst: What is the LTS server?
[20:27] skellington: rein:  long term support
[20:27] Nernst: Or, the future server?
[20:27] BoxOfShame: 29 players visible.
[20:27] Nernst: meaning, which server is it?
[20:27] Amarynthus: Last Talpan Standing?  Pure pvp
[20:27] Reid: the future server is the revolt server, currently being dev on the test server
[20:27] Adoolah: look at that bald woman over there
[20:27] Nernst: Thanks
[20:28] Gumi: most likely the legacy evol server will be renamed into The Mana World and the legacy tmw server will be renamed The Mana World Legacy
[20:28] WildX: Nobody is taking this server down to promote the new one. If this server goes down it's because it's so broken we can't repair it.
[20:28] skellington: rein: like an old truck
[20:28] Belgar: ....
[20:28] Gumi: doesn't even build on gcc 5
[20:28] Reid: does anyone have a question? I'm not even back home and I'm hungry :)
[20:28] Nernst: *If I may ask*, what are examples of broken?
[20:28] skellington: rein:  i coudln ever get it to build prper
[20:28] WildX: The Mana World: Old Truck
[20:29] Rift Avis: I have a proposition to make!
[20:29] Belgar: yeah he has a point
[20:29] Adoolah: how r we spreading the word for new players to join?
[20:29] Reid: legacy is not an insult, although if nobody is pleased about it we can still rename it
[20:29] Belgar: it crashes every once in a while but what game dose not
[20:29] DiamondPython: wow, so many people
[20:29] 4144: Nernst random crashing?
[20:29] Amarynthus: Fotally Trucked.
[20:29] Gumi: by massive email spam
[20:29] Dryt: got it, *wink*
[20:29] skellington: rein: lol meko
[20:29] skellington: rein:  rift hwats proposal
[20:29] skellington: rein: whats
[20:29] Reid: Adoolah, speak to your friends, share on social medias, and you can also take place on keeping our social medias active
[20:29] fether: cant we hire some good pixel artists ?
[20:29] 4144: also look like it leak network connections, because this even if it not crash, need restart it every some months...
[20:30] Nernst: Well, I guess I will be moving there in advance.
[20:30] Belgar: i know nothing about how a server works but a lot of what is being said dose not ring true
[20:30] Nernst: Same name.
[20:30] Rift Avis: Proposition: Please make the usage and recommendation of free (libre) software an important principle of the TMW development.
[20:30] 4144: because no one can connect to it. 1000 connections used
[20:30] Amarynthus: Or not
[20:30] Okurwieniec: good night ☺
[20:30] skellington: rein: i beliv eit has been traditonally
[20:30] Adoolah: this would be a great steam game
[20:30] skellington: rein:  very uch oepnsource
[20:30] BoxOfShame: Good night, Okurwieniec.
[20:30] WildX: we tried Steam Greenlight
[20:30] skellington: rein: much
[20:30] Amarynthus: Rift, I respect your philosophy but don't share it, please learn to respect others.
[20:30] Gumi: Rift Avis, the repos only contain FOSS stuff
[20:30] Rift Avis: rein: It's not; non-free software is encouraged in the development team, at the moment.
[20:30] Nernst: Second Rift Avis (but is that not already implied?)
[20:30] fether: 4144: it happes to me too when i try to pick up many dropped items
[20:30] skellington: rein:  i see
[20:30] skellington: rein: was unware
[20:31] Gumi: all the official dev tools (ie evol-tools and Tiled) are open source
[20:31] Gumi: from that point devs are free to use whatever they want
[20:31] Amarynthus: open source != free/libre (thank $DIETY)
[20:31] Reid: any question gameplay/design related? If no, I will open tomorrow some threads to resume what has been said and I will try to draw directive into what is needed to be done and what is being working on pretty soon
[20:31] Rift Avis: Transifex is being used as a translation platform, which requires the use of non-free JavaScript by default, and no way to go around that is indicated or recommended to the developers and contributors.
[20:32] WildX: this is not a discussion about Open Source tools
[20:32] Adoolah: how will our levels be transferred if the cap is lv 70
[20:32] Aisen: In my eyes you should focus on a working economy.
[20:32] 4144: Rift Avis need time to check free services if they can give same features
[20:32] Rift Avis: I know, I was making a proposal concerning the TMW Development Practices.
[20:32] Nernst: Well, note that is why I ended up in this game in the first place, WildX. But understood.
[20:32] 4144: but i most time busy with manaplus
[20:32] Reid: hey, that is a common answer but: we are here for fun, anybody is free to join, to discuss, to contribute and to make a change
[20:33] Reid: if you are not pleased with one of the third party we use, you can use another, th eproject is free and open source, what we use is what we can use
[20:33] Reid: hi brusselmans
[20:33] Brusselmans: Hi all ☺♥
[20:33] BoxOfShame: Um, could I suggest something?
[20:33] Gumi: I guess everything's been said... bye, see you next decade
[20:33] Brusselmans: Hi Reid ♥
[20:33] Dryt: very late. into the box of shame you go
[20:33] skellington: rein:  bye meko
[20:33] 4144: about server features. i can give my link. some one probably already saw this videos, but still
[20:33] WildX: also note we don't have money, we are not funded and the game is free
[20:33] 4144: [@@http://download.evolonline.org/manaplus/demo/ |http://download.evolonline.org/manaplus/demo/@@]
[20:33] Rift Avis: The project does not make use of any other translation platform, so I can not make use of those.
[20:33] skellington: rein: whats up box
[20:33] BoxOfShame: You're done already?
[20:33] DiamondPython: ...
[20:34] Reid: look rift, check out what software other projects are using as their translation platform
[20:34] BoxOfShame: Just wondering if you could introduce a few more bows.
[20:34] Reid: check if it fits our need, if it does, then let's do it
[20:34] DiamondPython: Dude, that's not impor right now
[20:34] 4144: Rift Avis you know what for now you can use free script for download/upload translations
[20:34] Reid: if nothing match, then understand our choice
[20:34] DiamondPython: BOS, talk about it later
[20:34] BoxOfShame: Fine...
[20:34] invocateur: there are some open source alternative to transifex
[20:35] Amarynthus: open source != libre.  Rift will only accept libre
[20:35] WildX cough*translation is a waste of time*cough
[20:35] Reid: if these alternative fits our need and fits what transifex is offering us, then why not
[20:35] Rift Avis: 4144: I am using it, but it is cumbersome and not recommended.
[20:35] Reid: otherwise, we have to make a game
[20:35] Reid: and I won't loose my time with third party apps
[20:35] Warp Mage: How about construction of flamethrowers/Greek fire grenades against spiders etc.?
[20:35] invocateur: and libre
[20:35] Rift Avis: Reid: Is anywhere a list of what TMW needs from a translation platform?
[20:35] invocateur: used by fedoa
[20:35] invocateur: fedora
[20:36] Reid: of course not rift, but you are one of the most active translator, you can make that list up pretty fastly
[20:36] WildX: Rift, let's take the search for free translation software to IRC
[20:36] skellington: rein: if its just dialogs
[20:36] Rift Avis: WildX: Very well. I hope we can make some progress on that topic very much.
[20:37] WildX: I have noted it and won't forget :>
[20:37] skellington: rein: one woudl think any software capable of reading between the quots and producing a second set of altered files with the translations
[20:37] Rift Avis: ☺
[20:37] BoxOfShame: ...
[20:37] BoxOfShame whistles
[20:37] invocateur: zanata for translation
[20:37] skellington: rein:  in a batch sence this is basic search and replace . its gotta be a easy software fro this
[20:37] skellington: rein:  hy omatt
[20:38] omatt: hy hy rein
[20:38] Rift Avis: Hello omatt.
[20:38] omatt throw an "Hello" at Rifty
[20:38] Warp Mage: Check to see what Firefox and Pale Moon use for add-on/extension language translations?
[20:38] Reid: croc matt
[20:38] Reid: I have to go I am really really hungry
[20:38] omatt: bon appétit :)
[20:38] 4144: Reid you always hungry
[20:38] Amarynthus firefox is also not libre software by Rifty's stanards
[20:38] skellington: rein: bye reid
[20:38] DiamondPython makes you a sandwhich
[20:38] Nernst: Want a roasted maggot?
[20:38] Reid: see you later on irc ! ♥
[20:39] Reid: I almost did not eat this whole weekend 4144 D: