Serdar on Trump

11:46:57 AM+InfiniteSpireSerdar_Argic_Sundays_eating: How do you feel about Nazis?
11:47:15 AM+InfiniteSpireIf I recall correctly, you're pro-Nazi.
11:47:16 AM+Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eatingthry are shit
11:47:19 AM+Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eatingthey
11:47:21 AM+InfiniteSpireOkay.
11:47:25 AM+InfiniteSpireBut you like Trump, yes.
11:47:38 AM+InfiniteSpireTrump is a fascist.
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11:50:07 AM+Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eatingi don't like Trumps politics, but I just dig the dude as a person
11:50:23 AM+InfiniteSpireDo you agree he should immediately be impeached and removed from office for his politics?
11:50:41 AM+InfiniteSpireFor example, for say "the media is the enemy of the people".
11:52:43 AM+InfiniteSpireI don't dig the dude as a person, as he is one of the dumbest people I've ever observed, has no curiosity, has no self-accountability, frequently lies, has no empathy, is a cheat, a thief, a conman, and a coward.
11:53:01 AM+InfiniteSpireHe can't fire people to his face, as he's a coward.
11:53:49 AM+Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eatingInfiniteSpire, you remind me of a typical trump voter who speaks publicly aginst him, but in that ballot box or on that absentee ballot, its a darkened circle by Trumps name
11:54:03 AM+InfiniteSpireYou skipped a question.
11:54:09 AM+InfiniteSpireI will address your point after that.
11:56:48 AM+Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eatinganyone who says Trump is a fascist doesn;t know what a fascist is
11:56:58 AM+Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eatingTrump has authoritarian tendencies, yes
11:57:13 AM+Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eatingbut you can have authoritarian tendencies and not be a fascist
11:57:26 AM+Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eatingif Trump was such a fascist, there wouldn;t all these ppl talking shit about him
11:57:32 AM+Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eatinghe embraced Kanye West
11:58:03 AM+InfiniteSpireSo, you're not going to answer the question?
11:58:21 AM+Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eatingwhat question?
11:58:26 AM+InfiniteSpireDo you agree he should immediately be impeached and removed from office for his politics?
11:58:29 AM+InfiniteSpireFor example, for say "the media is the enemy of the people".
11:58:31 AM+Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eatingI thought I was answering the questin in question
11:58:32 AM+Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eatinghehehee
11:58:40 AM+Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eatingo that
11:59:14 AM+InfiniteSpireYou can say "No, and here's why:"
11:59:18 AM+InfiniteSpireOr you can say, "Yes, and here's why:"
11:59:23 AM+Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eatingwhat Trump said was a little harsh
11:59:27 AM+Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eatingbut it does not merit impeachment
11:59:35 AM+Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eatingim,peachement is whole nother thing
11:59:43 AM+Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eatingthere is a much higher bar fro impeachment
11:59:45 AM+InfiniteSpireDo you agree the belief the "media is the enemy of the people" is not consistent with the 1st Amendment?
12:00:02 PM+InfiniteSpireEspecially in an elected politician who swore to defend the Constitution.
12:00:06 PM+Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eatingok, yes, because there is a much higher bar for impeachment
12:00:19 PM+Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eatingat most, it would deserve censue
12:00:22 PM+Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eatingcensure
12:00:28 PM+Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eatingbut even then, its iffy
12:00:32 PM+Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eatingand here's why.....
12:00:46 PM+Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eatingbecause its just a fucked up opinion rather than actual policy
12:00:53 PM+Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eatinghe is limited in how much he can do about that
12:01:07 PM+InfiniteSpireAre you aware if you're a federal worker you lose your Constitutional rights to have free speech, etc.
12:01:08 PM+Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eatingit would be very difficult to get rid of Sullivan v NY Times
12:01:16 PM+Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eatinghardly anyone other than Trump wants to get rid of it
12:01:31 PM+Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eatingTrump wants British style libel laws
12:01:42 PM+Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eatingbut it wouldbe had to get rid of Sullivan v NY times
12:01:53 PM+Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eatingi highly doubt the SCOTUS would get rid of it
12:01:54 PM+InfiniteSpireSo, if you're a federal worker, and you say, "Muslims are evil people", you cannot make a free speech defense.
12:01:58 PM+Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eatingso its not a threat
12:02:14 PM+Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eatingand I don;lt think Gorsuch would go along with getting rid of it
12:02:17 PM+InfiniteSpireSerdar_Argic_Sundays_eating: Do you remember when the FBI raided Cohen's office and home?
12:02:22 PM+InfiniteSpireCohen being the personal attorney of Trump.
12:02:29 PM+Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eatingand certainly, none of the others wouldnt, although Kav I am not so sure
12:02:32 PM+InfiniteSpireAnd Trump described it as "an attack on America"?
12:02:36 PM+Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eatingInfinite, yes
12:02:48 PM+InfiniteSpireThat was fascist when he did that.
12:02:49 PM+Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eatingif that goes, then Limbaugh would get sued out of exostence
12:02:51 PM+Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eatingexistence
12:02:56 PM+InfiniteSpireHe sees himself as the country.
12:02:57 PM+Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eatingas would hannity,. and Fox news
12:03:16 PM+InfiniteSpireLaw enforcement exercising an approved warrant by a judge is an attack on our country when it's targeting somebody close to him.
12:03:19 PM+InfiniteSpireThat's fascist.
12:03:32 PM+Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eatingit says for a politician to sue for defamation there must be proof of malice and disegard for the truth....
12:04:06 PM+Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eatingas I said, trump says some F;ed up things, but it  doesnt go to the level of an impeachable offense
12:04:13 PM+InfiniteSpireSerdar_Argic_Sundays_eating: Do you agree Trump is one of the biggest liars on the American stage and defames, libels, and slanders people everyday over which he expresses no remorse and experience no empathy.
12:04:22 PM+InfiniteSpireHe does, however, whine non-stop when people say and write the truth about him.
12:04:33 PM+InfiniteSpireAnd you've somehow decided to invest yourself in his cause against libel laws.
12:04:37 PM+InfiniteSpireThat seems incredibly naive to me.
12:04:40 PM+Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eatingsee the thing is, they tried to impeach Andrew Johnson for saying crazy things condemning congress
12:04:43 PM+InfiniteSpireLet me address your point earlier I skipped.
12:04:45 PM+Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eatingbut that didn;t work
12:04:48 PM+Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eatinghe wasn;t im,peached
12:05:00 PM+InfiniteSpire+Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eatingInfiniteSpire, you remind me of a typical trump voter who speaks publicly aginst him, but in that ballot box or on that absentee ballot, its a darkened circle by Trumps name
12:05:05 PM+Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eatingthey said he was slandering the american political system
12:05:10 PM+Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eatingby his attacks on COngress
12:05:21 PM+Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eatingin the context of reconstruction
12:05:33 PM+Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eatinghe became President because Lincoln got assassinated
12:05:42 PM+InfiniteSpireYou think I talk this way, and that I previously voted for Trump.
12:05:47 PM+InfiniteSpireWould you like to go on record with that belief?
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12:06:26 PM+Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eatingthis is all a joke
12:06:34 PM+InfiniteSpireWhat?
12:06:45 PM+Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eatingI am not on record for anything I say if a response to some joke about me
12:06:53 PM+InfiniteSpire48.2% of voters voted for Hillary Clinton, and 46.1% of voters voted for Trump.
12:07:10 PM+InfiniteSpireSo the prior slightly favors my voting for Clinton; I voted.
12:07:17 PM+Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eatingso manyh of those Hillary voters were illegals in Califirnia
12:07:20 PM+InfiniteSpireThen, I speak this way. And you think it's more likely I voted fro Trump.
12:07:27 PM+Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eatingit didn;t mean anything when it came to the electoral college
12:07:29 PM+InfiniteSpireSerdar_Argic_Sundays_eating: Your last post is a conspiracy theory.
12:07:42 PM+Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eatingif yo get a huge m,ajority in CA, it doesn;t reflect yojur electoral votes
12:07:43 PM+InfiniteSpireI will need you to retract it, provide a citation, or I will have to end the conversation.
12:08:01 PM+Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eatingit was a joke
12:08:04 PM+Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eatingmy god dude
12:08:05 PM+InfiniteSpireTrump fabricated the conspiracy theory there was 3 million illegal votes in California because he's fragile.
12:08:11 PM+InfiniteSpireHe has to tell lies in order to cope with reality.
12:08:14 PM+InfiniteSpireHe's delusional.
12:08:17 PM+Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eatingseriously, if not a single illegal voted, the vote in Cali would not be different
12:08:20 PM+Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eatingyou are dense, bro
12:08:22 PM+InfiniteSpireWhy you have personally invested in his delusions seems strange.
12:08:26 PM Ignoring Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eating!*@*
12:08:29 PM+InfiniteSpireSerdar_Argic_Sundays_eating: I put you on ignore.
12:08:51 PM+InfiniteSpireReason: You were unable to demonstrate accountability for your involvement in the Trump conspiracy theory about illegals voting in California.
12:10:09 PM+InfiniteSpireI voted for Jill Stein in 2016, unsure if I wanted to do that or vote for Clinton.
12:10:17 PM+InfiniteSpireI would have voted for Clinton if I lived in a swing stage, which I did not.
12:10:28 PM+InfiniteSpireAlso, first past the post voting is stupid.
12:10:40 PM+InfiniteSpireAlso, I didn't realize how aggressive Russian interference was in our election in 2016.
12:11:01 PM+InfiniteSpireI think there's reasonably credible evidence today that Jill Stein and the Green Party may have been influenced by Russian interference.
12:11:27 PM+InfiniteSpireI will not vote for a 3rd party for awhile now until I think our elections are secure.
12:11:57 PM+InfiniteSpireThe only viable choice to defeat the fascist GOP is to vote for the Democrat party, and I think only large organizations have a chance of coping with Russian interference.
12:12:09 PM+InfiniteSpireYou'll recall the Democrats were also hacked by Russia and didn't know about it for awhile.
12:12:33 PM+InfiniteSpireFinally, in Clinton's recent interview with Amanpour, she expressed some surprising naivete to the scope of Russian interference in our elections.
12:12:44 PM+InfiniteSpireSerdar_Argic_Sundays_eating: Trumpism is fascism.
12:13:15 PM+InfiniteSpireI recognize that might voting for or support Trump in anyway is saying, "Yes, I would have been a Nazi had I been born in the 1910s or 1920s in Germany."
12:13:28 PM+InfiniteSpireI don't want to be a Nazi, Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eating, as they represent the worst impulses in our species.
12:13:33 PM+InfiniteSpireYou would have been a Nazi, Serdar_Argic_Sundays_eating.
12:13:47 PM+InfiniteSpireI recommend you sit with that understanding and reflect on how to be a better person.
12:14:08 PM+InfiniteSpireYou would have defended Nazis and when people would bring up facts about their policies you'd say you were joking and accuse them of being secret Nazis.
12:14:18 PM+InfiniteSpireIt's not that shocking you'd be a Nazi.
12:14:35 PM+InfiniteSpireAbout 25% of humans love fascism and desire to be Nazis, hoping the political currents of the world, in their lifetime, allow for such expressions.
12:15:08 PM+InfiniteSpireOften, our societies don't allow for that, as fascism is evil, but Trumpism is giving a bit of hope for those people who are neighbors and are okay with him inventing various conspiracy theories about Americans and America.