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[23:23] <downtimedeath> so yeah this just happened
[23:23] <downtimedeath> [04:12] <_Iggy> like you weren't part of the race, i initially misunderstood the rule then asked for clarfication and still misinterpreted it
[23:23] <downtimedeath> [04:13] <_Iggy> but seeing it now of course that's the intention....but unless you were part of it i'm not sure you can see that part
[23:23] <downtimedeath> [04:14] <_Iggy> you can make a V of the 4 items, i initially understood it as a box 2x2...but i dunno what to tell you, you've made me literally sick to my stomach and pretty much ruined all the fun i've had tonight.
[23:23] <downtimedeath> [04:15] <_Iggy> ^ that's never happened before and yes atm if i had to make a decision i'd quit SRL and be done with this community.
[23:23] <downtimedeath> [04:22] <downtimedeath> sorry i dont respond to unjusitfied attacks in irc pms
[23:23] <downtimedeath> [04:23] <downtimedeath> i will be posting this in #alttp tho
[23:23] <downtimedeath> [04:23] <_Iggy> please do
[23:23] <downtimedeath> that is the full convo
[23:24] <_Iggy> at this point, i would like a moderator to help with this.
[23:24] <superskuj> with what?
[23:24] <downtimedeath> with what you sending me angry msgs?
[23:25] <_Iggy> @super I am considering this a personal attack at this point
[23:25] <superskuj> you have the right to be upset but it was the right decision aand now you're acting like a child
[23:26] <superskuj> maybe seancass puzzles really are cursed
[23:26] <_Iggy> That is simply not true super
[23:26] <_Iggy> but at this point I am trying to locate an IRC op
[23:27] <downtimedeath> acmlm is a mod isnt he?
[23:27] <superskuj> he's in a run right now
[23:27] <downtimedeath> ah ok
[23:27] <downtimedeath> iggy i honestly dont understand why you feel this as a personal attack
[23:28] <downtimedeath> ive assured you of that multiple times tonight
[23:28] <Rambly> this puzzle was fine, i don't think it was sean's fault at all
[23:29] <superskuj> no I know
[23:29] <superskuj> I was just making a joke
[23:29] <downtimedeath> apart from iggy does anybody else think i was wrong to bring up this issue?
[23:29] <Rambly> no
[23:29] <downtimedeath> thats a serious question
[23:30] <superskuj> not at all
[23:30] <Rambly> i don't, anyway
[23:30] <Rambly> can't speak for everyone ofc
[23:30] <downtimedeath> ofc
[23:30] <Rambly> i'd expect you to do the same for me, i've had christos get onto me for breaking rules in his puzzles, it's just part of the game
[23:30] <superskuj> one of my biggest fears in puzzles is accidentally breaking rules and not knowing
[23:31] <superskuj> but when it's brought to my attention I either reset to a save before it happened, reset if thats not available, or forfeit
[23:31] <superskuj> like anybody else would
[23:31] <superskuj> and not try to make other people feel bad or make childish accusations afterwards
[23:32] <downtimedeath> in a race full of injustice, i am the hero the community needs, i am Christian Fuckin Bale
[23:32] <downtimedeath> jk
[23:32] <superskuj> like if you can completely redo the race in the time you spend complaining about it that's not good
[23:32] <_Iggy> i left after the time was confirmed actually....
[23:35] <downtimedeath> also iggy
[23:35] <downtimedeath> you were made aware of your mistake right after you had finished the run
[23:35] <downtimedeath> http://www.twitch.tv/iggydota/v/8010027?t=6h6m50s
[23:36] <downtimedeath> well maybe 10mins after
[23:36] <downtimedeath> not like 2 hours or w/e was previously said
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[23:39] <Rambly> christos asked me what i thought of the situation at about an hour after iggy finished, and i assume there'd been discussion and deliberation about the situation for a while before then
[23:39] <Rambly> so it definitely wasn't two hours
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[23:58] <downtimedeath> that vod has now been deleted i see
[23:59] <downtimedeath> says it all really
[23:59] <downtimedeath> hopefully this will be the end of this silliness

race channel

[22:20] <seancass> ok then you would have him undone and forfeit>?
[22:20] <seancass> or be dq'd
[22:20] <seancass> ?
[22:21] <seancass> everyone in this race
[22:21] <seancass> and why not
[22:21] <seancass> everyone NOT
[22:21] <ChristosOwen> he's redoing the goal atm and streaming it? that should suffice right
[22:21] <seancass> say in here if you want him to undone and forfeit
[22:21] <seancass> or be DQd
[22:21] <superskuj> undone and complete the goal or forfiet
[22:21] <seancass> from what file
[22:21] <seancass> a new file?
[22:22] <seancass> or one he has that doesnt have ice palace completed
[22:22] <superskuj> a file before the mistake
[22:23] <superskuj> it's happened to just about all of us
[22:23] <superskuj> i've had to restart a couple hours after I picked up an item I never used
[22:23] <superskuj> it's just the way it goes
[22:29] <+_Iggy_LS> .forfeit
[22:29] <+Acmlm> needs .undone first
[22:30] <+_Iggy_LS> .undone
[22:30] <@RaceBot> _Iggy_LS has been undone from the race.
[22:30] <+_Iggy_LS> .forfeit
[22:30] <@RaceBot> _Iggy_LS has forfeited from the race.
[22:30] <+Acmlm> reminds me I did a similar mistake in a Super Mario World puzzle years ago
[22:30] <+Acmlm> and had to forfeit for it too
[22:31] <+Acmlm> where there was a restriction on key count and I took one I shouldn't
[22:31] <+_Iggy_LS> .comment I disagree with this decision.  This is a sad day for the community, I do not have the time nor really the patience to deal with what happened tonight.
[22:31] <@RaceBot> Comment added.
[22:31] <+Acmlm> yet didn't even go ahead with the path it opened
[22:32] <+Acmlm> http://www.speedrunslive.com/races/result/#!/9851
[22:33] <+Acmlm> I solved the puzzle and it didn't count, someone else restarted late in the race too
[22:33] <+_Iggy_LS> I'm quite upset, and I put a shitton of effort in doing things right and I try to always be fair.  Have a good night everyone, including those I think a lot less of now.
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[22:46] <runnerwatcher> :(

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[23:01] <superskuj> this has made me nostalgic for all the times I had to forfeit puzzles for small mistakes
[23:04] <downtimedeath> i was the one who noticed the mistake, i was the one who brought it to everyones attention, im really sorry for iggy and it does suck, but this is what puzzle races are like.
[23:05] <_Iggy> eh if you want to talk to me about something great.  I have a lot I've already said tonight.  But I will say one thing--think very carefully about the community you foster and the people you'd like to stick around.  The impression given to me is that I'm not welcome, that the one time I did really well instead of coming up with a reasonable solution about it--you piss all over it.
[23:05] <_Iggy> oh sorry dtd i was typing and hit enter same time.
[23:05] <downtimedeath> lol np
[23:05] <downtimedeath> youre welcome dude
[23:05] <downtimedeath> like i said earlier this is personal at all
[23:06] <downtimedeath> skuj, acm, blunt, xelna, rambly and countless more have had to do it at one time or another
[23:06] <superskuj> chris tried to give me a slide on a small mistake once and I reset anyway
[23:06] <_Iggy> but was it necessary? Could it have been modded later as the final time for points?  I think that was a fairer solution
[23:06] <downtimedeath> puzzles are like that
[23:06] <superskuj> because I broke a rule
[23:06] <superskuj> that's all there is to it
[23:06] <_Iggy> final time i mean last finisher btw
[23:06] <_Iggy> but they really aren't dtd
[23:16] <_Iggy> it's been a pleasure, i hope it's not the last but it may very well be.  Good night.

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[22:35] <downtimedeath> iggy dont take all this the wrong way
[22:35] <@iggydota> i kinda am i mean i get it i really do
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[22:36] <downtimedeath> xelna once had to reset 5 hours in
[22:36] <@iggydota> but to me it was unclear i asked for clarification
[22:36] <downtimedeath> so have may ppl
[22:36] <@iggydota> i got clarification that i still misinterpreted
[22:36] <downtimedeath> many
[22:36] <@iggydota> this happens....it really didn't make the dungeon laughably easier 50 hearts to kill shit with a hammer...and i coudl have even nabbed blue mail...
[22:38] <downtimedeath> welcome to lttp puzzle races
[22:39] <downtimedeath> these guys have been doing it a lot and ppl get pissed off a lot
[22:39] <downtimedeath> which is why i dont puzzle
[22:39] <downtimedeath> ignore acms chat
[22:40] <downtimedeath> if the rules could be broken, everybody would break them
[22:40] <downtimedeath> dude dont take this personally
[22:40] <downtimedeath> speedrunning is like this sometimes
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[22:44] <@iggydota> hi
[22:44] <@iggydota> it's not really personally
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[22:44] <@iggydota> it's kinda like why even bother associating or playing with people who aren't in it for fun
[22:45] <downtimedeath> ppl take speedrunning serious as well as fun
[22:45] <downtimedeath> myself included
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[22:46] <downtimedeath> everybody in the race put time into it
[22:48] <downtimedeath> honestly you should have been told straight after your mistake that you had made one
[22:48] <downtimedeath> idk why that was overlooked
[22:48] <@iggydota> well the whole thing gets complicated
[22:49] <@iggydota> it was cleared then uncleared
[22:49] <downtimedeath> i noticed your mistake after and informed chris and sean when i did
[22:50] <christosowen> it's extremely hard to keep track of a complicated puzzle like this for 7 people
[22:50] <christosowen> and people are asking me questions all the time
[22:50] <christosowen> it's hard
[22:50] <@iggydota> it is, i really don't blame you i try to even avoid asking repeatedly questions to keep it sane...
[22:50] <christosowen> it's hard to even make a puzzle
[22:50] <christosowen> and to make it clear
[22:53] <@iggydota> hmm?