Wednesday, 25 April 2018
17:18 - Shema: bruh
17:18 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: ?
17:19 - Shema: gdpr doesn't apply to people, it applies to companies storing peoples info
17:19 - Shema: i chose to upload this data that you provided
17:19 - Shema: it is my decision as a person
17:19 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: You're talking about enterprise
17:19 - Shema: there are no regulations on such
17:19 - Shema: bitch i work with gdpr
17:19 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: Yeah do you also work with people who store thousands of people's information?
17:20 - Shema: yes
17:20 - Shema: ??
17:20 - Shema: i work with gdpr
17:20 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: The same people with no company?
17:20 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: You mean you work for a company
17:20 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: And has to comply with GDPR?
17:20 - Shema: we educate others on gdpr
17:20 - Shema: consultant
17:20 - Shema: it doesn't apply to to private peoples storage of data, it applies to companies storing data
17:21 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: companies sotring private people's data yes?
17:21 - Shema: what are u even trying to say
17:21 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: That sentence literally said the same thing
17:21 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: But without company
17:21 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: before the first part
17:21 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: ' to private peoples storage of data'
17:21 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: THAT
17:21 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: is the same as
17:21 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: 'companies storing data'
17:21 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: Since all the data is private people
17:21 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: Customers
17:21 - Shema: yes but ur not a customer
17:22 - Shema: ur someone who volunteered to and accepted the terms of having your screenshots etc stored
17:22 - Shema: and it's not stored by a company
17:22 - Shema: it's stored by a person
17:22 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: Yeah, I guess so
17:22 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: However, having it shown to the public isn't exactly a godo thing
17:22 - Shema: it won't be shown to  public
17:22 - Shema: it's not ESL
17:22 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: Plus, where does this go?
17:22 - Shema: it will be shown to admins only
17:22 - Shema: or a select person
17:22 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: That could be breached
17:22 - Shema: select people*
17:22 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: You know this
17:22 - Shema: who aren't admins
17:22 - Shema: ye ofc it oculd
17:23 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: So you're saying
17:23 - Shema: but if u gonna worry about these consequences don't sign up
17:23 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: to play in a game
17:23 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: I have to agree with my data being breached
17:23 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: or I can't play
17:23 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: ?
17:23 - Shema: the only data you will show is fucking gameplay
17:23 - Shema: stop being stupid
17:23 - Shema: stop browisng punishtube
17:23 - Shema: while ur in a game
17:23 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: MOSS’s features are:

– Automatic random screenshots
– Unique PC identifier based on Hardware information
– Capture game’s key files
– Real time Processor Speed versus BIOS setup and box nominal speed
– Game Exe SHA signature and start time
– Ingame screenshot stored when PrtnScrn is pressed
– Macros  usage reported including Keys, timing and deviation and usage count
– The Processes names, path and SHA2 listing at game start
17:23 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: Ye
17:23 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: only captures gameplay
17:24 - Shema: oh fuck i know what processor u have now
17:24 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: You can literally see information
17:24 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: Anywhere
17:24 - Shema: yes it does infringe on your taskmanager imo
17:24 - Shema: but it needs to
17:24 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: I shouldn't have to go hide all my notes etc
17:24 - Shema: because injections are dlls
17:24 - Shema: etc
17:25 - Shema: literally every anti-cheat is kinda invasive
17:25 - Shema: u ever used VAC before?
17:25 - Shema: that shit scans more
17:25 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: That's secure
17:25 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: Lol
17:25 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: That's actually going to people who know what they're doing
17:25 - Shema: what if valve was breached bro?
17:25 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: Hidden behind literally 20 walls
17:25 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: If vale was breached
17:25 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: then it's a violation of GDPR
17:25 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: But their data isn't secured on a guy's computer
17:25 - Shema: the data stored
17:26 - Shema: is going to be removed after tournaments
17:26 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: Nice
17:26 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: Let me just get that data before the tournaments
17:26 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: Hey
17:26 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: Im an admin
17:26 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: Let me just be corrupt
17:26 - Shema: i doubt we will choose anyone corrupt lol
17:26 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: Thanks for this data, I'll be sure to use it againt you
17:26 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: Hey, I've been nice since I played warband
17:26 - Shema: its most likely gonna be handled by some AE peeps
17:26 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: Not anyone shady behind camera
17:28 - Shema: i confirmed my identity by attending bucharest for example
17:28 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: I'm looking at what this MOSS does
17:28 - Shema: maybe that means something
17:29 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: And literally
17:29 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: Everything is being monitored
17:29 - Shema: ye for good cause
17:29 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: It literally has control of your system
17:29 - Shema: fucking MOSS Gonna steal my dickpics
17:29 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: Apart from you're moving the mouse while it's taking screenshots and looking at your files
17:30 - Shema: im upset that you are upset about having an anti-cheat
17:30 - Shema: im sad you don't want to see cheaters punished
17:31 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: I literally try and get cheaters punished
17:31 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: as much as I can
17:31 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: But this way
17:31 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: Isn't a good way
17:31 - Shema: ESL uses it
17:31 - Shema: and they're a company
17:32 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: Ye
17:32 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: this is ESL
17:32 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: not warband
17:32 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: How their data is managed
17:32 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: Is far different than how you'll manage it
17:32 - Shema: ye u think so
17:32 - Shema: but i work with stuff like this
17:32 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: no
17:32 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: I know so
17:32 - Shema: ye but u dont know
17:32 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: You work with it, great.
17:32 - Shema: ur not educated in the matter
17:32 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: ESL probably have 15 people behind the works
17:32 - Shema: u just think
17:33 - Shema: and your opinion is not fact
17:33 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: Oh!, so I'm not educated on the matter
17:33 - Shema: i am sure we'll manage ur important data
17:33 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: You think just because you know the GDPR
17:33 - Shema: bitch i don't care about GDPR
17:33 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: you're now a security wizz
17:33 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: ?
17:33 - Shema: lol
17:33 - Shema: it doesn't concern a tournament by us
17:34 - Shema: im talking about handling ur data in a professional way and that would be erased after the tournament is over
17:34 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: lol
17:34 - Shema: the only ones accessing this would most likely be a 3rd party, like players not participating
17:34 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: How can you handle data professionally
17:34 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: When you have no idea
17:34 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: How to handle it
17:34 - Shema: ???
17:34 - Shema: i guess u erased the beginning of this convo from ur mind
17:34 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: I don't understand
17:35 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: How would you handle it?
17:35 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: I really don't know
17:35 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: if you're saying
17:35 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: ye i will only give admins like ae access to it
17:35 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: If that's your way of thinking everything will be ok
17:35 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: Then you're a moron
17:35 - Shema: i mean u dont have to participate
17:35 - Shema: sad to see u go
17:35 - Shema: but i'm happy warband is discussing this issue
17:35 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: I think the major problem
17:35 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: I?s that you'll brainwash some kids who wont even read the toc
17:35 - Shema: as cheaters have been a prevalent issue for a long time
17:36 - Shema: we don't need toc
17:36 - Shema: u sent the files urself
17:36 - Shema: it's a private person ur sending it to
17:36 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: Lol you need a toc
17:36 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: wtf are you chatting
17:36 - Shema: ofc there will be info of what is going to happen
17:36 - Shema: no u dont
17:36 - Shema: it's a private tournament
17:36 - Shema: it's not hosted by a company
17:36 - Shema: llo
17:36 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: Terms of service (also known as terms of use and terms and conditions, commonly abbreviated as TOS or ToS and ToU) are rules by which one must agree to abide in order to use a service. Terms of service can also be merely a disclaimer,
17:36 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: Pretty sure
17:37 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: If I gave out a free software
17:37 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: there's toc
17:37 - Shema: yes u have to agree to MOSS tos
17:37 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: I can download http://paint.net
17:37 - Shema: but u dont have to agree to my "tos" because i don't need to make one
17:37 - Shema: i'm just saying how it is
17:37 - Shema: not how it must be
17:38 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: Lol this is such a bad way of going about it
17:38 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: There's like 10 cheaters
17:38 - Shema: we don't know if there are more
17:38 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: And suddenly you now have to access people's personal information
17:38 - Shema: imagine catching someone playing for 5 years
17:38 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: Sounds like a moron idea
17:39 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: Imagine catching someone playing for 5 years
17:39 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: They just wont install it
17:39 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: Lmao
17:39 - Shema: vcause they wont play :)
17:39 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: They wont play in your tournament
17:39 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: There's more than 1 tournament
17:39 - Shema: rules out a lot of cheaters huh
17:39 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: in warband
17:39 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: Renders the software completely useless in that case
17:40 - Shema: no i would say it works quite well if cheaters don't want to sign up because they are cheaters
17:40 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: You think someone who cheats will install the software?
17:40 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: there's like 500 poeple in competitive warband
17:40 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: Lol
17:40 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: The best thing to do is
17:40 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: Create a software that does nothing
17:40 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: say it does everything
17:40 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: Boom
17:40 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: There's your answer
17:40 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: A. No data is breached
17:40 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: B. Cheaters wont sign up
17:40 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: There's your solution
17:40 - Shema: while it would be a hypothetical great idea, someone will try to cheat in it
17:41 - Shema: just like people are caught in actual VAC games
17:41 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: Rules out a lot of cheaters huh
17:41 - Shema: at first yes
17:41 - Shema: lol
17:41 - Shema: bruh why are u only attacking my weakest arguments
17:41 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: I'm attacking the whole idea
17:41 - Shema: of cheaters being punished?
17:41 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: No of data being breached
17:41 - Shema: don't si
17:41 - Shema: gn up
17:41 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: Hackers or not
17:41 - Shema: ?
17:42 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: Anyone who's half decent at codingh
17:42 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: Will breach your data
17:42 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: Since there's like -10 security
17:42 - Shema: what are they gonna code?
17:42 - Shema: my pc?
17:42 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: Hell, I could probably just pretend I'm someone important from MOSS
17:42 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: and get access to the files
17:43 - Shema: we don't have to give anything to MOSS...?
17:43 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: No, but I could lie and say there's a problem
17:43 - Shema: moss doesn't save files except on your local pc
17:43 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: With the software
17:43 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: I need to see what information is being displayed
17:43 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: since it's wrong
17:43 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: Ezpz access to ur microst access database
17:43 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: lol
17:43 - Shema: u think u gonna get ur warband screenshots breached by a moss employee?
17:43 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: microsoft
17:43 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: No
17:43 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: Anyone outside moss
17:43 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: can pretend im moss
17:44 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: lol
17:44 - Shema: microsoft don't have permission to enter your pc and take your files
17:44 - Shema: lol
17:44 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: It was a joke
17:44 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: about microsoft access
17:44 - Shema: im just saying it's a very funny hypothetical scenario
17:44 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: ...
17:45 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: Anyways, I think the idea of creating something is great
17:45 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: Infact, the idea of catching cheaters would be way better
17:45 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: But that's the only good thing about it
17:45 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: everything else is bad
17:45 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: one good thing to like 20 bad things
17:45 - Shema: i'm glad you think our idea is good :)
17:45 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: Ye it's good to the ill-minded
17:45 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: who have no idea
17:45 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: how to even
17:45 - Shema: if ur so woke and sentient just dont sign up then
17:48 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: You mean
17:48 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: Like
17:48 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: 20% of comments are
17:48 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: ye i will help i am belenor and kane
17:48 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: The rest are like
17:48 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: Lol
17:48 - Shema: the vocal minority
17:49 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: You mean
17:49 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: Everyone else
17:49 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: Apart from kane and belendor
17:49 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: are saying
17:49 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: The idea is terrible
17:49 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: just politely
17:50 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: 'NOT A FAN'
17:50 - Shema: so far only you and sebe have voiced that it is a bad idea, and sebe even discussed how to prevent his data being leaked while he is not playing
17:50 - Shema: by turning off the game
17:50 - Shema: woah
17:50 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: Calamity
17:50 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: Pepper
17:50 - Shema: I'm really not a fan of the privacy issue, but it's still probably the best suggestion so far and if there's no alternative we should try it.
17:50 - Shema: 'we should try it.
'
17:50 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: Not a fan
17:51 - Shema: calamity is suggesting a better idea (that isn't plausible)
17:51 - Shema: and he is discussing how to prevent the issue too
17:51 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: My idea is simple, don't use it
17:51 - Shema: he is only saying "i want to alt tab in my game"
17:51 - Shema: why
17:51 - Shema: why do you want to alt tab?
17:51 - Shema: punishtube? cheats? non-match matters?
17:51 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: I'd rather have 5 cheaters in a game where there's little to no money invovled and wait for a good bannerlord anticheat
17:51 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: Then have all my personal data be shown
17:51 - ☯ Fietta | Shanay-timpishka: ?!?!
17:52 - Shema: if you want to prevent most of your personal data of being shown don't participate in the tournament, or if you do just keep to warband?
17:52 - Shema: it all depends how much u want to show
17:52 - Shema: calamity even said he wants to try it
17:52 - Shema: That said this community has needed an anticheat for ages and if this works well it should be a no brainier. It is a good idea trying it on a smaller tournament so all the kinks are worked out and people are used to doing it.

Cheers for the initiative.
17:52 - Shema: yes they have voiced issues
17:52 - Shema: but so have i
17:53 - Shema: im fine with them
17:53 - Shema: the benefit is far better