#SpaceBass: oml hate hate the "i need to calc" argument
#SpaceBass: Part of mons skill is estimating damage
#Hashtag: why?????????????????
#SpaceBass: Theres no timer in game
#Hashtag: no it literally isnt
#SpaceBass: I mean
#SpaceBass: Calc
#SpaceBass: Not timer
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#Hashtag: in game
#Hashtag: you go online and use the calc
#SpaceBass: Calc is for gays and teambuilding
#Hashtag: in smogon tours a calc is part of the game
#Hashtag: thats the way it is
#SpaceBass: Which is one of the reasons I hate smogon tours
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#Hashtag: well then fuck off
#SpaceBass: And and they're all spoky af
#Hashtag: bc this is about smogon
#SpaceBass: That and*
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#SpaceBass: I'm talking ladder time thogh
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#SpaceBass: All timers too short imo
#Hashtag: nobody cares about what its like to play on cart.
#SpaceBass: Shorter timer = less chance for spook
+iliketrains11(^: we need 24 hour timer tbh
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#Hashtag: if it could just not get shorter bc you took a long time on earlier turns
#Hashtag: that would be fine for me
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marilli★★★: shorter timer =/= less chance to spook
marilli★★★: i mean if your ghoster has all the information you have because you are skyping or something
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marilli★★★: the only real delay you'll have as a person getting ghosted, as opposed to the ghoster playing for himself
marilli★★★: is the part where he says out loud "do X"
marilli★★★: which is like less than 3 seconds
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marilli★★★: if anything it probably means that spooking will be preplanned and be more organized so you can't catch em
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#SpaceBass: #Hashtag: if it could just not get shorter bc you took a long time on earlier turns
#SpaceBass: This would mean timestallers could run the timer down 150 seconds every turn
#SpaceBass: Fuck that
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marilli★★★: [16:37:16] #SpaceBass: This would mean timestallers could run the timer down 150 seconds every turn
marilli★★★: wouldnt it just mean that the time per turn would be dialed down from 150 accordingly?
#SpaceBass: He means no matter how long you take the timer is always 150 seconds
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marilli★★★: but he didnt say 150 seconds
#SpaceBass: at the start of the turn
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marilli★★★: it could be 90 seconds every turn
marilli★★★: or 75 seconds
#SpaceBass: I just want people who time out alot to be blocked from ladder for an hour
marilli★★★: or whatever
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marilli★★★: lol
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#SpaceBass: Almost every other online game does that
marilli★★★: thats valid, but if you are only just counting the ones they end by timing out, they;ll just forfeit 1 second before they time out
marilli★★★: and nothing would have changed
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marilli★★★: and if you go beyond that, you're just punishing ppl for using all the time system gives them?
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LSSJ_MAGICMAN2.0: flinch
#SpaceBass: The time the system gives is too damn high
LSSJ_MAGICMAN2.0: 6 times in a row
#SpaceBass: For a ladder game
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marilli★★★: theyre addressing that already
#SpaceBass: All forms of timestall should be puished far harder than they are
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marilli★★★: but you can't just punish people for using the time they're given to them
LSSJ_MAGICMAN2.0: ppl wait untill last seconds to make turns
marilli★★★: they dont take 150 seconds per turn u guys are exaggerating lmao
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marilli★★★: if u use up all ur time they only have like 30 seconds per turn
marilli★★★: and thats totally a reasonable time limit
marilli★★★: and anyways if the timer is still too long, it's a matter of changing the timer, not punishing people for using the timer they're given
#SpaceBass: lol I had like
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#SpaceBass: 2 hours of discussion on this earlier
marilli★★★: you have to change the timer
marilli★★★: thats what you're saying
#SpaceBass: There is a clear difference between thinking and being a timestaller
#SpaceBass: And its clear which one it is
#SpaceBass: >making moves normally
#SpaceBass: >get into losing position
#SpaceBass: >suddenly afk
marilli★★★: dude im not even against what you're saying
marilli★★★: that timestallers should be punished
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#SpaceBass: They won't let us punish them anyway
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marilli★★★: im just saying, not letting them time stall so they can't time stall, is better than punishing people for making a legal maneuver
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#SpaceBass: "B-but they might not be timestalling"
#SpaceBass: Sure buddy
marilli★★★: exactly
#SpaceBass: I agree lol
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#SpaceBass: But I got told timer length is fine
#SpaceBass: And that timestallers arent timestallers
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#SpaceBass: When they clearly are
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marilli★★★: i mean dude in chess tournaments you can waste all your clock even after you're in a losing position
marilli★★★: its legal
marilli★★★: ur still a dick tho
marilli★★★: but its totally legal
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#SpaceBass: Not wrong, just an asshole
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#SpaceBass: My solution didn't fly anyway
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#SpaceBass: I wanted to just server ban timestallers on sight
marilli★★★: ya because u probably said like
marilli★★★: "if someone is losing and suddenly takes longer, you should all just ban them on sight"
marilli★★★: thats not how it works man
#SpaceBass: My argument was let mods mod
marilli★★★: maybe theyre just pressing buttons without thinking
#SpaceBass: When a timestaller is reported
marilli★★★: and then they realize theyre losing
#SpaceBass: Let the mod judge the situation
marilli★★★: so they try to think but they're just that stupid
marilli★★★: ?_?
marilli★★★: also
marilli★★★: SpaceBass ur saying this only in context of a ladder game right
marilli★★★: because ladder is easy
marilli★★★: u dont need to think
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LSSJ_MAGICMAN2.0: low ladder easy peasy
marilli★★★: unlike say if u were playing vs someone good
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marilli★★★: but what if you are playing someone good on the ladder and for whatever reason u actually really want to win
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marilli★★★: are you really gonna blame him for thinking as much as possible so he actually maximizes his chances of winning?
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marilli★★★: [16:57:16] #SpaceBass: I wanted to just server ban timestallers on sight
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marilli★★★: so someone has to afk for IRL reason like idk they have the runs and they time out, then they're server banned 100%?
marilli★★★: seems legit
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#SpaceBass: I'm talking about just ladder yes
#SpaceBass: Also if you have to afk then click x lol
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#SpaceBass: I don't care what you're doing on the other end, I'm trying to play game
#SpaceBass: Ladder of course
marilli★★★: but you're just saying all ladder games are shit quality and therefore theres no reason to think
marilli★★★: thats not true
#SpaceBass: 9/10 DOU ladder games are shit quality
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marilli★★★: you just can't throw out the baby with the bathwater
#SpaceBass: I just dream of a ladder where people actually want to play
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#SpaceBass: People that bring 3 mons and quit turn one shouldn't be allowed on ladder
marilli★★★: then they shouldnt be allowed to play the game?
#SpaceBass: They should yes
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#SpaceBass: But my issue is they aren't playing the game
marilli★★★: or do u mean you should be given a warning before you load in a wrong team?
#SpaceBass: They're joining with 3 mons
#SpaceBass: And quitting when they don't sweep turn one
marilli★★★: i've certainly been at least loaded wrong team, given a game before i could change it
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#SpaceBass: Thats not playing the game
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marilli★★★: oh
marilli★★★: so you're saying you have to prove your competency before you are allowed to ladder?
marilli★★★: how are you gonna do that?
#SpaceBass: I'm not saying that either
marilli★★★: if you can't ladder before you show competency?
#SpaceBass: What I mean is
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#SpaceBass: If you click look for battle
#SpaceBass: It'd be nice to have a battle
#SpaceBass: Not one turn of memes and a ff
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marilli★★★: so you're saying if they forfeit too early then that should be banned, if they dont forfeit and time stall they should also be banned
marilli★★★: sounds like a disaster
marilli★★★: waiting to strike
#SpaceBass: I'm saying people should finish their god damn games lol
#SpaceBass: Click a move or click x
#SpaceBass: Is my theory
marilli★★★: but
marilli★★★: they clicked x
marilli★★★: whats your problem with that
marilli★★★: they turn 1 memed, they lost they're bad, so they ff
#SpaceBass: Bringing 3 mons in the first place lol
marilli★★★: they clicked a move or clicked x
marilli★★★: -
ScizorisBae345: Sorry to intrude but why are you complaining about free elo when these people quit turn 1.
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marilli★★★: exactly
ScizorisBae345: weren't also complaining about not getting to ladder because of timer stall?
marilli★★★: yeah
ScizorisBae345: so do you want elo or not?
#Hashtag: i won a game in ou today bc i went in w one mon to test a mechanic
#SpaceBass: Becaue I'm not looking for ELO
#Hashtag: and the other guy had 2 mons
#Hashtag: it was gereat
#SpaceBass: I'm looking for a decent game of pokemon
marilli★★★: hes just saying that its a waste of his time because hes not getting to play a game
marilli★★★: , but its just the matchmaking's fault
marilli★★★: its a fault of the matchmaking that a good player was matched vs a memer with 1 shell smash lead and ff if you dont win
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marilli★★★: so they ffed because they lost iinstead of time stalling or continuing to move and showing their incompetency further wasting your time
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marilli★★★: i dont see how this is bad
#SpaceBass: I'm just saying there should be deterrents to being a poop on the ladder
#SpaceBass: You're shitting up everyone elses games
#SpaceBass: For your own amusement
#SpaceBass: By being a poop I mean
marilli★★★: urgh
#Hashtag: nah you cant implement that
marilli★★★: ur just not listening
marilli★★★: yeah what Hashtag said u just cant implement that
marilli★★★: how are u gonna do that
#SpaceBass: I'm not really into the discussion lol
marilli★★★: "u have to be good and tryhard in order to play on the ladder, scrubs can fuck off"
#SpaceBass: I had this earlier and discovered that people are sympathetic to timestallers
#SpaceBass: So I gave up
marilli★★★: -
marilli★★★: im not saying that
#SpaceBass: I'm not saying you are
marilli★★★: u strawmanning fucker
marilli★★★: n ur just being offputtingly elitist
#SpaceBass: The discussion I had before
marilli★★★: by saying
marilli★★★: "u have to be good and tryhard in order to play on the ladder, scrubs can fuck off"
#SpaceBass: I'm not lol
marilli★★★: there can be ladder for every level of play
#SpaceBass: The point behind that was
#SpaceBass: Nigga at least bring 6 mons
marilli★★★: compare to other games, omg 300 MMR players are so shit
marilli★★★: btu they are sitll allowed to ranked play
marilli★★★: and meet opposing players who are just as bad as they are
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marilli★★★: u dont just
marilli★★★: ban them from ladder so it doesnt shit up other ppls games
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marilli★★★: ladder is for every level of play
marilli★★★: not fully 6 pkmn, no evs no nature, using noncompetitive moves like tail whip
marilli★★★: using ash teams
marilli★★★: where are u gonna cross the line of "ruining games for ur own amusement"?
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#SpaceBass: Gimme ~ and lets find out ^)
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#SpaceBass: :^)*
marilli★★★: n if i were zarel i'd never give u ~
marilli★★★: after hearing what u just said
ScizorisBae345: honestly, how did we get to the level that banning people from a kids game over trivial things.
marilli★★★: ye exactly just chill out and search another game
#SpaceBass: I'm of the opinion of you gotta break a few eggs to make an omlette
#SpaceBass: not just in pokemon policy
marilli★★★: yes and thats called throwing out the baby with the bathwater
marilli★★★: oh good job u threw out the trash
marilli★★★: but at what cost?
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#SpaceBass: At the cost of what it costs to get the trash taken out
ScizorisBae345: Okay, honestly, how low are you on the ladder that you deem these players problems. Even at 1000 elo you don't see these trash teams you keep talking about that often.
marilli★★★: SpaceBass literally theyre probably just 10 give them a break lmao
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#SpaceBass: ScizorisBae345 ladder up to like 1500 on DOU ladder and tell me there are no memes up there
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marilli★★★: but ur probably counting stuff that are just bad, but still trying to win
prooo: ScizorisBae345 even at 1500/1600 you will run into a meme
marilli★★★: like dragonite
marilli★★★: as a meme
#SpaceBass: I thought it was accepted that DOU ladder is one giant meme
marilli★★★: Never assume malice when stupidity will suffice
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#Hashtag: memes are the only thing that makes this game fun
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marilli★★★: yeah SpaceBass better ban Hashtag for bringing roserade to dou matches
marilli★★★: shitting up the game quality
#SpaceBass: tbf I've been laddering with trains' durant team all day
marilli★★★: Kappa
#SpaceBass: But at least I click the fucking moves within like 7 seconds

Stratos ✈‖: #SpaceBass: Calc is for gays and teambuilding
Stratos ✈‖: u shouldnt be allowed to be an RO of a competitive room if you say shit like this what the fuck
#SpaceBass: lol
Stratos ✈‖: no thats not a laughing matter
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#SpaceBass: p amusing to me
TheGamerPlayz: why
Rest ~ In ~ Pasta: Havent had wifi in like couple days
#SpaceBass: Because hurr durr mons is supr srs
#SpaceBass: Makes me laugh