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Odyssey Leaderboards

Dec 1st, 2017
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  1. Odyssey Leaderboard Changes
  2. -Right now the leaderboard looks like this:
  3. No Assists (Most popular) Assists (Significantly less popular)
  4. -Amiibo
  5. -2P
  6. -Assist Mode
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  8. Analysis:
  9. No Assists is the most competitive. There are Currently 1/50th as many assists runs as No assists. Of those 16 Assists runs, 10 are Assist Mode, 5 are 2P, and only 1 uses Amiibo. Of the 10 assist mode runners, 3 of them simply switched to Assist Mode since they couldn't PB. Of the 5 2P runs, all 5 are truly Co-Op (though currently the rules state you can be 1 player with 2 controllers). The one amiibo run was Vallu who scanned an Amiibo on the moon since he couldn't PB.
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  11. As you can see, this separation at least hasn't been a complete disaster, in fact starting the run like this and encouraging No-Assists to be the most competitive category was the perfect way to handle it. Though now that the game is a month old and we know what exactly is changed with each assist, I'd like to suggest changes to the leaderboard to reflect the intentions of the categories.
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  13. Starting with Assist Mode. There are a number of people who are willing to run solely in Assist Mode because they either like the mode or prefer the less competitive nature of the category. Assist mode can stay with the clarification that runs MUST START in Assist Mode to prevent people from just switching on the moon when they can't PB. It's rude to people who genuinely enjoy the category.
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  15. Next, Amiibo. Just ban them. Having been an entire month and nobody has even tried to create unique strats using amiibo shows that there is no interest in this category. If it weren't for Vallu tapping an amiibo as a joke there would be no runs on the leaderboard.
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  17. Finally, 2P. This is probably the most complex one to change as it's the most different from other modes. Currently 2P assist simply means 2P mode is turned on. This does not prevent 1P from using 2P mode and just playing the game normally (No input on Cappy = Solo Mario Except you can't roll cancel). What I don't want is 2P mode to turn into the same thing as Assist Mode right now, where you can just change at the end when you can't PB. Especially when true Co-Op has a ton of cool unique tricks.
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  19. With that in mind, here's my proposed change to the leaderboard:
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  21. No Assist Mode Assist Mode
  22. Solo Solo
  23. Co-Op Co-Op
  24. (Can also be Co-Op Yes/No)
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  26. -Amiibos are Banned
  27. -Assist Mode must start the run in Assist Mode and keep it on for the entirety of the run.
  28. -Co-Op Must Have 2 Players (Also add a Player 2 Name Box on Speedrun.com).
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  30. And here's where the controversy starts...
  31. -Players are allowed to use 2 Player strats in a Solo run.
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  33. This will not change anything in any%. The fact that you can't roll cancel in 2P mode is reason enough for top players to stay in 1P mode. The ONLY thing I see being a benefit of 2P mode is Volleyball, and that's not even faster it's just easier.
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  35. Discuss I want to cause as much drama as possible about this.
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