F1RWRS 2016 rules discussion, Session 2

20:47:06: <Nuppiz> ah, the evil overlord is here
20:47:18: <Aerond> :p
20:48:28: <Nuppiz> are you absolutely sure that you want to give andrew the responsibility of controlling one of the tyre suppliers? :P
20:49:34: <RealRacingRoots> We question his compotence
20:49:44: <Salamander> i question his ability to read
20:49:45: <Nuppiz> because based on quite a few posts his rule reading skills are below par, to put it nicely
20:50:43: <Aerond> :p
20:50:57: <Aerond> Well, I'm aware of this
20:51:55: <Aerond> But I can't discriminate anyone because of that
20:52:08: <Aerond> I'm not sending PM's as reminders
20:52:25: <Aerond> So if he doesn't show up I'll pass the slot to next on list
20:52:51: <Aerond> Not showing up also means being withdrawn from waiting list
20:52:59: <Aerond> as it shows a lack of interest in the series
20:53:15: <Nuppiz> good to hear
20:54:21: <Aerond> Spending 5 minutes every few days to check for updates in the thread is not too much to ask
20:54:27: <Nuppiz> even though it's not my turn yet (as we're waiting for andrew's reply), I'd like to express interest in becoming the next Paul Hembery
20:54:55: <Salamander> so you want to screw over alitalia, then? :p
20:55:00: <Aerond> :p
20:55:04: <RealRacingRoots> who wouldn't want that chance
20:55:14: <Salamander> pasta
20:55:16: <Salamander> evidently
20:55:16: <Nuppiz> ooh, so much power :P
20:55:40: <Nuppiz> well Pasta is really powerful with the Michelin supply under his control
20:55:41: <RealRacingRoots> I think Pasta was thinking andrew would take pirelli
20:56:42: <Salamander> maybe
20:56:52: <klon> Everyone wants him to take Pirelli
20:57:32: <Nuppiz> yeah, if that happens there's going to be a major shitstorm
20:57:52: <Pi3141> if what happens?
20:57:59: <Salamander> andrew takes on pirelli
20:58:09: <Salamander> and does an utter hashjob of it
20:58:15: <Salamander> ruining alitalia
20:58:33: <Nuppiz> combine Stramala's temper and andrew's apparent lack of reading skills
20:58:41: <Salamander> yeah
20:58:49: <RealRacingRoots> world war 3 would be on our hands
20:59:48: <Salamander> if i ever run a series, id be seriously tempted to bar him and roblomas52 from entering it
21:00:09: <Salamander> because i do not want to deal with their crap
21:00:40: <Nuppiz> Pirelli and Goodyear are likely the least influential tyre manufacturers in F1RWRS 2016, looking at last year's supplys and with Jones looking to ditch Goodyear
21:00:40: <RealRacingRoots> A reminder Aerond, I do require the ratings for your Puyo Puyo GT-R drivers
21:00:51: <Aerond> yeah i know
21:00:56: <Aerond> I haven't decided yet
21:00:57: <Aerond> :p
21:01:00: <RealRacingRoots> xD
21:01:23: <Salamander> if andrew picks goodyear nobodys ever going to use goodyears again
21:01:35: <Pi3141> with pasta getting an F1RWRS team for 2017, andrew is then first on the waiting list
21:01:48: <Salamander> yeah.... :S
21:01:50: <Salamander> :s
21:02:13: <RealRacingRoots> 7 teams, about 10 cars do not have driver ratings yet for GT-R
21:02:16: <Aerond> if Andrew doesn't show up he will loose his place on the waiting list
21:02:38: <Aerond> It could also happen that Pasta gets the place for 2016 if eurobrun leaves
21:02:44: <klon> and people say F1R is a place without all that bitchin' that happens everywhere else
21:02:46: <klon> lol
21:02:47: <klon> :P
21:03:06: <Nuppiz> Andrew has shown up, in the RTCC thread...
21:03:39: <Nuppiz> but I wouldn't be surprised if he had forgotten that he's on the F1RWRS list at all :P
21:03:46: <Aerond> :p
21:03:49: <Aerond> me neither
21:06:30: <Nuppiz> Salamander well, roblomas52 is in LGPS and he's been tolerable
21:06:42: <Nuppiz> apart from a few OOC things...
21:07:00: <Salamander> thats because he hasnt had to read anything beyond the signup sheet
21:07:01: <Salamander> yet
21:07:06: <dark77> he's been pretty bad in warped
21:07:33: <Salamander> i dont think hes even aware of the upgrade system
21:07:39: <Nuppiz> he is
21:07:54: <Nuppiz> he's done quite a few upgrades actually
21:07:58: <dark77> named one of his drivers Wankucini and wrote this... http://www.f1rejects.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=5549&p=234832#p233418
21:08:21: <Salamander> yeah
21:08:31: <Nuppiz> http://www.reactionface.info/sites/default/files/imagecache/Node_Page/images/1314029819767.png
21:08:34: <Salamander> then there was naming his driver after a takeout menu
21:08:42: <Salamander> id rather err on the side of caution
21:08:43: <Salamander> :D
21:09:36: <Nuppiz> oh and Aerond is the first on the IFRC waiting list
21:09:54: <Nuppiz> you might actually get in if I don't see some activity from certain people soon :P
21:10:13: <Salamander> and im last
21:10:16: <Salamander> on that list
21:11:10: <Nuppiz> at least all applications are from 2013
21:11:27: <Salamander> i kind of regret not signing up at the start of 2015 now
21:12:23: <dark77> wonder how long until i get an f2 tema
21:12:24: <dark77> *tema
21:12:26: <dark77> *TEAM
21:13:30: <RealRacingRoots> go home dark, you're drunk
21:13:55: <Salamander> :D
21:13:58: <Aerond> :p
21:14:46: <Nuppiz> updated F1RWRS waiting list: http://f1alternate.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Talk:Formula_1_Rejects_World_Race_Series
21:15:59: <Aerond> Nuppiz, any extra questions about tyres after reading the chatlog?
21:16:30: <Nuppiz> ehh, I haven't read it yet :P
21:16:34: <Aerond> :p
21:16:41: <Aerond> read it before making any
21:16:51: <Aerond> Pasta asked lots of things
21:16:51: <Nuppiz> sure
21:17:31: <Aerond> It pisses me off a bit eurobrun is bitching about 2016 rules when he hasn't asked any questions about how it works
21:17:32: <Aerond> :p
21:17:46: <Salamander> yeah
21:18:06: <Salamander> hes making a big deal about the new driver rules
21:18:23: <Aerond> lol, this is going to be in the chatlog he's probably going to read
21:18:24: <Aerond> haha
21:18:45: <Salamander> hello eurobrun
21:18:53: <Salamander> :p
21:18:59: <RealRacingRoots> you may be asking a couple of questions right now
21:19:06: <RealRacingRoots> like: why am I here
21:20:31: <klon> because you want to get away from your duties
21:20:33: <klon> and just be lazy
21:20:41: <klon> ya lazy basterd :P
21:20:46: <RealRacingRoots> dammit klon
21:20:54: <RealRacingRoots> I'm not talking to you. :(
21:21:37: <klon> ha, that's what you think
21:25:51: <Nuppiz> hmm, I think I got the main points on working as a tyre supplier
21:26:32: <Nuppiz> so in a multi-year deal I'll only get half the cash that I would get in a single-year one?
21:26:47: <Nuppiz> from customers, I mean
21:26:49: <Aerond> yup
21:27:13: <RealRacingRoots> but if you get 2 multi year deals you qould get the equivlanet of a 1, single year contract with of cash
21:27:36: <Nuppiz> and be assured to have an even cash flow
21:27:45: <Aerond> Signing multi year deals although cheaper may be a risk to the team owner
21:28:09: <Aerond> as the team owner don't know how much those tyres will cost in the future, and their characteristics in following years
21:28:18: <Nuppiz> well, if I control Pirelli Stramala will probably sign whatever deal I give to him :P
21:28:24: <Aerond> :p
21:29:04: <Nuppiz> 100 bucks for, uhh
21:29:26: <Nuppiz> excellent rain tyres that are among the worst in dry weather :P
21:29:33: <Aerond> :p
21:30:49: <RealRacingRoots> Best Qualifying Drys, and that's about it
21:31:22: <Nuppiz> yeah, if we want late 80s/early 90s Pirellis
21:31:32: <RealRacingRoots> which we be funny
21:31:42: <RealRacingRoots> after qualifying stramala sees he's got a 1-2
21:31:50: <RealRacingRoots> he finishes outside the points in the race
21:33:12: <klon> Tyres that would guarantee a win in the race but are impossible to qualify on
21:33:24: <RealRacingRoots> that's michelin
21:33:31: <Aerond> :p
21:33:49: <Aerond> it's going to be fun
21:33:55: <Nuppiz> Bridgestones could be dull all around
21:34:08: <Nuppiz> or maybe have them have excellent wets
21:34:10: <RealRacingRoots> Dunlop could be the wet weapon of choice
21:35:49: <Pi3141> How many tyre suppliers will there be in 2016?
21:36:04: <Nuppiz> six
21:36:08: <RealRacingRoots> 6 to be controlled by users
21:36:22: <RealRacingRoots> then a free, one if users fail to choose
21:36:35: <Aerond> 6; 5 controlled by users and 1 by comission
21:36:40: <Aerond> The 1 by comission will be free
21:37:03: <Aerond> But a team won't be able to use the free tyre for two seasons in a row
21:37:05: <klon> ... Yazd Tires?
21:37:12: <Nuppiz> Dunlop, Michelin, Goodyear, Bridgestone, Pirelli
21:37:17: <RealRacingRoots> i kinda want the free one to be a obscure brand, like DMACK in the WRC
21:37:37: <klon> RealRacingRoots - let's pick a Yazd Tires brand
21:37:47: <Nuppiz> Belshina :P
21:37:55: <RealRacingRoots> Kumho
21:38:04: <klon> Kumho is not obscure
21:38:08: <Salamander> to be accurate with real life, bridgestones should be able to go many times the race distance without even coming close to a puncture, but be slow and boring as hell :D
21:38:09: <RealRacingRoots> obscure in racing
21:38:50: <Aerond> I have Ovation tyres in my RL Peugeot
21:38:51: <Aerond> :p
21:39:05: <RealRacingRoots> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Tire_manufacturers
21:39:30: <klon> or let's take Goldstone
21:39:35: <klon> it's like Bridgestone
21:39:38: <klon> only Iranian
21:39:57: <Salamander> hoosiers! :D
21:40:02: <RealRacingRoots> Murica!
21:40:20: <Salamander> exactly
21:40:39: <RealRacingRoots> Nokian tires?
21:40:44: <RealRacingRoots> Are they related to Noika?
21:40:48: <RealRacingRoots> Nokia
21:40:51: <Nuppiz> no, Goodride
21:40:59: <Nuppiz> I mean, look at the logo: http://www.vannetukku.fi/images/goodrideLOGO_NETTIKOKO.jpg
21:41:09: <Nuppiz> so much ripoff
21:41:10: <RealRacingRoots> lool
21:41:31: <Salamander> yes :D
21:42:04: <RealRacingRoots> we need to make the 5 look as appealing as possible
21:42:15: <RealRacingRoots> and then, there's that OTHER tire make in F1R
21:42:32: <Aerond> Can somebody copypaste latest comments?
21:42:38: <Aerond> Since my ovation tyres one?
21:42:47: <Nuppiz> but to answer your question: no, Nokian Renkaat and Nokia are no longer related
21:43:03: <Nuppiz> 00:39 RealRacingRoots http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Tire_manufacturers 00:39 Klon or let's take Goldstone 00:39 Klon it's like Bridgestone 00:39 Klon only Iranian 00:39 Salamander hoosiers! 00:40 RealRacingRoots Murica! 00:40 *** Aerond quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 00:40 Salamander exactly 00:40 RealRacingRoots Nokian tires? 00:
21:43:15: <Nuppiz> 00:40 RealRacingRoots Are they related to Noika? 00:40 RealRacingRoots Nokia 00:40 Nuppiz no, Goodride 00:40 Nuppiz I mean, look at the logo: 00:41 Nuppiz so much ripoff 00:41 RealRacingRoots lool 00:41 Salamander yes
21:43:41: <Nuppiz> and the Goodride logo is this: http://www.vannetukku.fi/images/goodrideLOGO_NETTIKOKO.jpg
21:44:10: <klon> ... well, we have our 6th manufacturer
21:44:14: <klon> :D
21:44:39: <Nuppiz> that's like Goodyear and Bridgestone combined
21:44:59: <Nuppiz> actually, not Bridgestone
21:45:12: <Nuppiz> the font looks very similar to Dunlop
21:45:21: <Aerond> Found this in the list: Cheng Shin Rubber
21:45:22: <Aerond> :p
21:47:33: <RealRacingRoots> What about Vittoria, a bike tire make trying to hack it in F1R
21:47:40: <RealRacingRoots> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vittoria_S.p.A.
21:48:20: <Salamander> they should supply scuderia vittore :D
21:48:23: <Aerond> :p
21:48:49: <dark77> they should supply this team too http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scuderia_Vittoria
21:48:52: <Salamander> so i see this is a very productive chat :p
21:49:10: <Salamander> ah yes
21:49:13: <Salamander> of course
21:49:23: <klon> Salamander, technically it is supposed to begin in 10 mins
21:49:24: <klon> :D
21:49:38: <Salamander> :D
21:49:58: <klon> but we ARE in agreement that the 6th manufacturer must be rejectful at any cost
21:50:01: <klon> ?
21:50:03: <RealRacingRoots> yup
21:50:06: <Salamander> yeah
21:50:13: <Salamander> i cast my vote for goodride
21:50:15: <RealRacingRoots> we have to make the user controlled 5 look as appealing as possible
21:50:34: <Salamander> yeah the free tyre should just be in case of emergency
21:50:50: <RealRacingRoots> Like if Dofiasco needs a change
21:51:01: <Nuppiz> IIRC Goodride was the worst tyre in the annual tyre tests carried out by Tekniikan Maailma
21:51:29: <Nuppiz> comments were along the lines "get yourself a life insurance if you use these"
21:51:39: <Aerond> lol
21:51:56: <Salamander> well then
21:52:04: <RealRacingRoots> i think that means he agrees with us
21:52:05: <klon> >ShutUpAndTakeMyCredits.jpg
21:52:06: <Salamander> thats a ringing endorsement if ever ive heard one :D
21:52:22: <Salamander> >ShutUpAndTakeMyLackOfCredits.jpg
21:52:34: <Salamander> thats what you meant, right klon? :p
21:52:36: <RealRacingRoots> uh oh, the other mad man is here
21:52:41: <Salamander> oh god
21:52:44: <Nuppiz> Mad Men
21:52:49: <RealRacingRoots> i like that tv show
21:52:49: <klon> actually, Salamander, Tropico has quite a lot of dosh
21:52:51: <Salamander> we'll never get anything done now :D
21:52:56: <wizzie> :D
21:52:57: <Nuppiz> Mad Men everywhere
21:53:06: <Salamander> klon yeah but this is the free tyre we're talking about
21:53:10: <klon> He's a mad man, such a mad man
21:53:16: <klon> he's a real, a real mad man
21:53:37: <RealRacingRoots> klon changed william regal's theme on us
21:53:44: <klon> indeed I did
21:54:32: <Nuppiz> Wizzie, do you agree that this is the perfect brand for the free-of-charge F1RWRS tyres: http://www.vannetukku.fi/images/goodrideLOGO_NETTIKOKO.jpg
21:54:39: <Aerond> Wizzie is still having his cornflakes
21:54:48: <Aerond> :p
21:54:48: <Aerond> don't disturb him with rubber discussion
21:55:05: <klon> Well, it would fit
21:55:10: <klon> if the bread is rather old
21:55:19: <klon> if he happens to have bread with his cornflakes
21:55:23: <Nuppiz> #LongerLastingRubber
21:55:30: <Aerond> typical Australian that would be
21:55:31: <Aerond> lol
21:58:30: <Nuppiz> meanwhile, I'll go and fetch some late night snack
21:58:58: <klon> I wish I had money for snacks
21:59:09: <wizzie> So I'm guessing I haven't actually missed anything then, correct?
21:59:14: <Salamander> i'll go and try and improve my RoGT time
21:59:24: <Aerond> Nothing worthy regarding team owners
21:59:24: <RealRacingRoots> I need to do that too Salamander
21:59:32: <klon> €3.30 to pay all my food from tomorrow til Thursday lol :D
21:59:37: <klon> that's what I got
21:59:40: <dark77> i need to make an RRC logo, any ideas what i should put on it
21:59:51: <RealRacingRoots> Comic Sans
22:00:11: <Aerond> loooool
22:00:25: <Aerond> Klon, just buy a pair of kilos of rice
22:00:49: <Aerond> :p
22:00:49: <Aerond> And a bit of curry to stuff it up
22:01:03: <RealRacingRoots> rice or ramen noodles
22:01:11: <Aerond> Rice is cheaper
22:01:12: <Aerond> :p
22:01:38: <klon> I was thinking on taking 49 cent spaghetti with the mayonese I have at hand :D
22:02:09: <Aerond> Spaghetti with mayo??
22:02:13: <Aerond> That's terrible
22:02:34: <klon> well, that's student life I guess
22:03:02: <Aerond> When I was in London I survived on 5 pounds worth of food a week
22:03:11: <Aerond> And I have to say I managed pretty well
22:03:22: <Aerond> With some cooking skills
22:04:21: <Nuppiz> macaroni is one of the cheapest foods here, especially on special offer
22:05:05: <Nuppiz> five 400g bags for 1€
22:06:18: <Aerond> Do that, buy 1/2 a kg of tomatoes and a couple of onions
22:06:26: <Aerond> Stir fry the tomatoes and onions
22:06:28: <Salamander> alright i think thats about as good is it'll get for me
22:06:38: <Aerond> And you have a decent sauce for your pasta instead of mayo
22:07:07: <Salamander> time to send that email
22:07:20: <Nuppiz> yeah, don't need to worry about those yet
22:07:22: <klon> tomatos are out of season and therefore expensive
22:07:24: <RealRacingRoots> what game are you doing RoGT with?
22:07:27: <Aerond> lol
22:07:30: <Aerond> Not in Spain
22:07:31: <Aerond> :p
22:07:36: <Nuppiz> GT4
22:07:39: <RealRacingRoots> Spain does not equal germany
22:07:42: <klon> Yeah, well, you wanna send me some?
22:07:42: <klon> lol
22:07:43: <klon> :D
22:07:46: <Aerond> lol
22:08:19: <Aerond> Wizzie, basically, if you want to clear up anything about the rules feel free to ask
22:08:38: <Nuppiz> but I do know how to make a decent Bolognese sauce
22:08:50: <klon> I should look at cabbage if I want cheap veggies
22:09:02: <Nuppiz> which can be then used as a pizza topping if needed
22:09:04: <Aerond> potatoes are always an option
22:09:21: <Aerond> You can do well with potatoes, a bit of oil, onions and an oven
22:09:25: <wizzie> Can I have a detailed explanation of the new driver system?
22:09:35: <wizzie> It makes like no sense to me :/
22:09:40: <Aerond> Well, it's more or less explained in the thread
22:09:51: <Aerond> So I'd need to know where you got lost
22:10:12: <wizzie> Wait, it's in the thread? Haven't looked there yet
22:10:25: <Aerond> The 2016 rules discussion thread
22:10:39: <Aerond> But I'm sure you already read that in the past
22:10:43: <Aerond> That's why I ask
22:11:38: <Aerond> With 3,30 you should be able to buy plenty of pasta, potatoes and onions to at least have a bit of variety
22:11:55: <klon> Well, I guess so
22:12:43: <Aerond> Don't you have absolutely nothing apart from mayo??
22:13:21: <Aerond> Roasted potatoes should marry the mayo pretty good as well if you want to make use of it
22:13:56: <Nuppiz> €3.30 for three days, that'd be an extreme challenge on Finland's price levels
22:14:17: <klon> I also have squash at hand
22:14:18: <klon> :D
22:14:27: <Aerond> In Finland I would buy plenty of Salmiakki
22:14:33: <Aerond> :p
22:14:33: <Aerond> if it¡s spelt like that
22:14:43: <Nuppiz> yes it is :P
22:15:22: <Nuppiz> it's one of the Finnish delicacies I'm less fond of
22:15:38: <Aerond> In Spain it's certainly pretty easy to live on 3,30 for three days
22:16:13: <klon> Well, it's not impossible by no means in Germany either...
22:16:22: <Nuppiz> I could probably get a meager dinner for three days with that
22:16:28: <Aerond> Hi TMLW
22:16:29: <Aerond> :)
22:16:38: <TMLW> Hey there
22:16:44: <Nuppiz> breakfast, lunch, others would be much harder
22:16:46: <TMLW> What have I missed this time?
22:17:01: <Aerond> Nothing serious concerning team owners
22:17:02: <klon> Tyres and food discussion
22:17:05: <Nuppiz> we're discussing how to eat cheaply
22:17:19: <Nuppiz> and Goodride tires: http://www.vannetukku.fi/images/goodrideLOGO_NETTIKOKO.jpg
22:18:37: <klon> ah, things were easier when I had money and had to spend less of it because I only ate one meal a day anyway :D
22:20:19: <Aerond> TMLW, basically, if you have any questions other than bitching once again against the engines just ask
22:20:20: <Aerond> :p
22:21:12: <TMLW> Well, since you didn't answer it yesterday, where are the TBA races likely to be?
22:21:24: <Aerond> I don't have a clear idea
22:21:28: <Aerond> Have yet to try tracks
22:21:38: <Salamander> the tba north america race should clearly be montreal
22:21:38: <Salamander> clearly
22:21:42: <Aerond> But we'll probably have Buenos Aires and Mexico
22:21:48: <klon> and I say Vancouver
22:21:52: <Salamander> clearly montreal
22:21:54: <Salamander> clearly
22:21:56: <klon> nope
22:22:01: <Nuppiz> Mexico?
22:22:01: <Salamander> yup
22:22:06: <klon> it's Vancouver or nothing
22:22:09: <Nuppiz> on Hermanos Rodriguez?
22:22:14: <Salamander> montreal or bust
22:22:32: <klon> Vancouver or war
22:22:36: <Aerond> Hermanos Rodriguez, which is on Mexico DF which is the track that has been used for the last few seasons
22:22:49: <Aerond> The continuity of that race was pendant on Plaza getting a seat
22:22:50: <Salamander> montreal or mad
22:22:59: <Nuppiz> hmm
22:22:59: <klon> location of Kay Lon's first (and only) F1RWRS win
22:23:02: <Salamander> oh
22:23:04: <Salamander> well
22:23:07: <Nuppiz> IFRC is going there on April 16-17
22:23:19: <Salamander> i kinda shot myself in the foot there didnt i? :D
22:23:31: <TMLW> I'm happy with Mexico City.
22:23:34: <wizzie> Aerond, I can still keep my chassis for this year, right?
22:23:46: <Aerond> Yes, for as long as you want
22:23:52: <Aerond> Just have in mind it'll age
22:24:00: <Nuppiz> maybe we could share travel costs? :P
22:24:04: <Aerond> And when you change you'll be forced to build one
22:24:15: <wizzie> Yeah. I figured I can get away with keeping it for this year and then building a new one for 2017
22:24:35: <wizzie> That way I can just blow all my credits on a new engine for this year, rather than have to do both :D
22:25:09: <TMLW> Which means more MRTWINSLOL for at least two years while the rest of us have no money.
22:25:27: <klon> ... Buenos Aires is lame though - it's just a shame I was not able to test this Chilean circuit I talked about earlier :D
22:25:36: <Aerond> Not bad on Gp2
22:25:44: <Aerond> Had some nice stuff on Chris Dagnall career
22:25:50: <wizzie> Wait, what happened to the Tropican race we were going to have for this year?
22:25:52: <dark77> there http://www.shoutwiki.com/w/images/f1alternate/3/39/RRC_Logo.png
22:26:03: <Aerond> Like top drivers spinning out several times during a race and first corner shunts
22:26:03: <klon> Well, yeah, the racing might be good but that is none of my concern
22:26:07: <klon> :D
22:26:09: <Salamander> also buenos aires was the site of james davies' lone f1rgp2c win to date :D
22:26:23: <klon> My top priorty is obscurity before anything else :P
22:26:34: <Aerond> yeah we all know
22:26:38: <Aerond> lady
22:26:40: <wizzie> Vancouver's not THAT obscure :P
22:26:46: <klon> obscure enough
22:27:07: <TMLW> In my personal opinion, we should drop Monaco for Vancouver.
22:27:13: <Aerond> Nooooooooo
22:27:14: <Aerond> NEVER
22:27:15: <Salamander> yes
22:27:17: <Salamander> yes
22:27:34: <klon> We should drop Monaco for Paris
22:27:41: <wizzie> Lappy, you of all people should know Vancouver for GP4 is probably one of only two tracks that are even more boring than Monaco :L
22:27:50: <TMLW> We have Macau, which I reckon is a better track anyway.
22:27:59: <Aerond> I'll be happy with Monaco as long as it provides a race as good as the 2014 one once every 10 seasons
22:28:22: <TMLW> And since the reason for it being so late is to not clash with F1, clearly we're not very welcome there.
22:28:32: <Nuppiz> Pau+fragile IFRC cars
22:28:42: <Nuppiz> inb4 humongous repair bills
22:28:43: <wizzie> But that's because F1 hates us, and we hate F1
22:28:52: <Salamander> yeah
22:29:06: <Salamander> we shouldnt be going to the most iconic f1 venue of all
22:29:11: <wizzie> The Monacan Prince just doesn't want his huge investment with Bernie to not go to waste, even though the F1RWRS is clearly the better series :P
22:29:33: <wizzie> Monegasque even
22:29:56: <Salamander> it just doesnt sit right with me, the f1rwrs going to monaco
22:30:20: <dark77> yeah it makes no sense
22:30:39: <Nuppiz> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nuppiz
22:30:39: <Salamander> it should be replaced with montreal
22:30:45: <Salamander> a far superior track in every regard
22:30:46: <TMLW> The F1RWRS did fine before 2013 without Monaco, we can do just as as well now :D
22:30:53: <Salamander> yep
22:30:58: <RealRacingRoots> the only other race going on that weekend is the indy 500
22:31:05: <klon> muahahahahaha - my "this or that is too F1-ish" comments spread like a virus
22:31:12: <Aerond> :p
22:31:19: <Salamander> oh nooooooooo :o
22:31:21: <wizzie> Nah, we just all dislike Monaco Klon :P
22:31:26: <wizzie> No virus to speak of here :P
22:31:44: <Salamander> like i said montreal is a far superior track
22:31:48: <Salamander> we should go there instead
22:31:53: <TMLW> And to be fair, I already wanted to get away from F1. Years ago :P
22:31:58: <RealRacingRoots> you could go to laguna seca with gtr and ifrc
22:32:07: <Salamander> nooooo
22:32:11: <Aerond> No good Laguna in Gp2
22:32:13: <RealRacingRoots> no?
22:32:14: <wizzie> Yeah, but nobody cares what Frank Zimmer thinks anymore Lappy :P
22:32:17: <RealRacingRoots> okay
22:32:34: <Aerond> Long Beach is fine
22:32:43: <Salamander> yeah it is
22:32:48: <RealRacingRoots> both my cars stalled?
22:32:51: <RealRacingRoots> Piss!
22:32:52: <TMLW> Wait, didn't you hold a test at Laguna Seca a while ago?
22:32:59: <Aerond> Yeah
22:33:01: <Aerond> and it was crap
22:33:02: <Aerond> :p
22:34:20: <TMLW> Another advantage to no Monaco: We can actually make a decent calendar
22:34:26: <wizzie> Holy shit, I thought I'd never see the day where we'd see a Shell DJR Falcon on the track again
22:35:23: <TMLW> There's about 6 weeks between F3 events at the time.
22:35:41: <Aerond> Hi Eurobrun
22:35:47: <Eurobrun> Hello
22:35:59: <TMLW> Everything at the back end of the calendar can move forward two weeks, suddenly it seems sensible.
22:36:06: <Aerond> Well, I'd mark this as a revised calendar
22:36:21: <Aerond> 1. 20th March -- Adelaide
22:36:30: <wizzie> Aerond, if you have time, could you do the new stats for one driver right now, just to demonstrate how the new driver system works?
22:36:41: <Aerond> 2. 27th March -- Bathurst
22:36:42: <Salamander> do james davies
22:36:55: <Aerond> 3. 17th April -- Brands Hatch
22:36:59: <klon> or Kay Lon so Wizzie can know just in how deep of shit he is
22:37:07: <wizzie> Nah, I was thinking of someone bog standard and that nobody cares about... like Jari Kekkonen :P
22:37:12: <Aerond> 4. 1st May -- Monza
22:37:26: <Salamander> wizzie james davies fits that description perfectly
22:37:33: <Aerond> 5. 15th May -- RB Ring
22:37:46: <Eurobrun> The people want Andrea Battani
22:37:47: <Aerond> 6. 29th May -- Montreal
22:37:58: <TMLW> Douglas Mann!
22:38:13: <wizzie> Ahh, Andrea Battani. He of the Friday morning valium addiction :P
22:38:22: <Aerond> 7. 5 June -- Road America
22:38:36: <klon> Wizzie, that ain't Fredo Mestolio
22:38:38: <Aerond> 8. 19th June -- Long Beach
22:38:44: <wizzie> Montreal? I'm very okay with that :D
22:38:48: <Salamander> as am i :D
22:38:50: <klon> I ain't
22:38:51: <Aerond> 9. 10th July -- Norisring
22:39:04: <Aerond> 10. 24th July -- Zandvoort
22:39:25: <Aerond> 11. 4th September -- Spa
22:39:34: <Aerond> 12. 18th September -- Monaco
22:39:45: <Aerond> 13. 2nd October -- Mexico
22:39:47: <TMLW> Also, to distance from F1, abandon the summer break!
22:40:03: <Aerond> 14. 9th October -- Buenos Aires
22:40:13: <Aerond> 15. 30th October -- Macau
22:40:23: <Aerond> 16. 6th November -- Fuji
22:40:33: <Salamander> 1 week from mexico to argentina?
22:40:45: <Salamander> thats a bit taxing, isnt it?
22:40:46: <Aerond> It could be moved back one week
22:41:08: <wizzie> Or we could just move both Monaco and Mexico one week forward
22:41:08: <Aerond> to 16th October
22:41:17: <wizzie> That way Belgium and Monaco will be the back-to-back event
22:41:19: <Eurobrun> Seems good. Just really hope that Adelaide isn't called the Tasman GP (ugh)
22:41:24: <klon> Well, Salamander, those lazy twats could so something for their money
22:41:27: <klon> Eurobrun it sure is
22:41:35: <Eurobrun> FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
22:41:44: <Salamander> ...
22:41:50: <Aerond> For 2016 the race at Adelaide will be the Australian GP
22:42:00: <Aerond> And Bathurst will be NSW Grand Prix
22:42:04: <RealRacingRoots> a double electronics failure on the start nuppiz, really?
22:42:06: <TMLW> Why? What has Bathurst done to deserve demotion?
22:42:07: <Eurobrun> Wow that is good
22:42:13: <Nuppiz> yes
22:42:20: <RealRacingRoots> :/
22:42:20: <TMLW> Preserve the history of the series.
22:42:21: <Salamander> bathurst should be the australian gp
22:42:21: <Eurobrun> Good troll Klon :P
22:42:29: <Aerond> A lack of a good apropiate name for Adelaide
22:42:36: <Aerond> That was the reason of the change
22:42:37: <Aerond> :p
22:42:40: <wizzie> Pacific Grand Prix? :P
22:42:44: <Salamander> yeah
22:42:46: <TMLW> It should be the Tasman GP, virtually every team owner would agree, apart from Eurobrun.
22:42:47: <klon> Wizzie
22:42:47: <Salamander> pacific works
22:42:49: <klon> awnah
22:42:55: <dark77> call one of them the Australisian Grand Prix
22:42:59: <klon> We have enough GP designations
22:43:10: <klon> we don't need to pull new ones out of our arse erry year
22:43:19: <Salamander> yes we do :p
22:43:23: <Aerond> lol
22:43:41: <Aerond> Well, if I do a driver stats sim, it should be one which won't compete next year
22:43:48: <Eurobrun> TMLW, you are talking a load of crap. Adelaide is nowhere near either Tasmania of the Tasman sea
22:43:51: <dark77> or the Oceanian GP
22:43:54: <klon> Aerond, then let's help ourselves to some Daniel Melrose
22:43:56: <wizzie> Mad Uncle Melrose! :P
22:43:57: <Salamander> then do future world champion jordan davies :D
22:44:05: <RealRacingRoots> Melrose pl0x
22:44:05: <Salamander> or the mad uncle
22:44:08: <Salamander> either works
22:44:08: <Aerond> Ok, Melrose is cool
22:44:19: <klon> Eurobrun, but the name has tradition and a marquee value
22:44:20: <Aerond> It'll take me a while
22:44:26: <klon> even though it is stupid, it is mone
22:44:27: <klon> *money
22:44:32: <Aerond> I'm on the laptop and have to revise the calculation method
22:44:35: <Nuppiz> do we really need two Australian GPs?
22:44:41: <klon> Nuppiz, yes
22:44:42: <Aerond> Nuppiz YES
22:44:43: <wizzie> Yes. Yes we do Nuppiz
22:44:47: <RealRacingRoots> lol
22:44:47: <Salamander> do we?
22:44:50: <klon> we also need two grands prix in Germany
22:44:55: <klon> but we
22:44:55: <TMLW> Tasman has the history, and it's a good bit of rejectfulness, which is what this series is supposed to be about!
22:44:56: <Aerond> Klon, no way
22:44:56: <Eurobrun> Fuck tradition. The name was inaccurate
22:44:56: <Aerond> :p
22:45:02: <dark77> we need a GP in the vatican
22:45:07: <Salamander> we need one in france before any of that
22:45:13: <wizzie> Australians are the second biggest group in the RWRS paddock after the Brits :P
22:45:15: <RealRacingRoots> I don't think the GT rome tracks exist in GP2 Dark
22:45:29: <klon> Aerond, if we have two in Australia we have to have two in Germany since Germany and Australia always had the most races
22:45:30: <klon> :P
22:45:37: <Nuppiz> Wizzie, by that logic the Brits should get a second GP as well :P
22:45:43: <wizzie> And Australia was the original home of the F1RWRS as well
22:45:49: <Salamander> by any logic france should have a race!
22:45:56: <wizzie> Which is the deal breaker for the Brits Nuppiz :P
22:46:05: <klon> Salamander, France has one in 2016
22:46:14: <Salamander> yeah but its nc :(
22:46:27: <TMLW> We could drop Monaco and race at Pau again :P
22:46:32: <Salamander> YES
22:46:32: <klon> Well, we could move Monaco to Paris, then we'll have a French Grand Prix
22:46:33: <Salamander> PAU
22:46:38: <Salamander> I SECOND THIS
22:46:44: <klon> Pau was schmau in 2013
22:46:45: <wizzie> Or Paul Ricard :P
22:46:45: <Aerond> No, Pau was terrible
22:47:00: <Salamander> paul ricard maybe?
22:47:04: <Aerond> Paul Ricard wasn't very fun either except for Watkinson's shunt
22:47:11: <Salamander> dammy
22:47:11: <klon> Paul Ricard has banned F1RWRS events after the golf cart escapades
22:47:13: <Salamander> dammit
22:47:34: <wizzie> But Watkinson's shunt was one of the defining moments of the F1RWRS. It even made the front cover of the video game :P
22:47:40: <Salamander> ... magny cours? is that any good in gp2?
22:47:54: <Aerond> Not really, but first lap red flag assured
22:47:55: <Aerond> :p
22:47:59: <dark77> just race on a good track that already exists and pretend it's a new track constructed in france
22:48:01: <klon> Well, I once had Life GP (the legit one) score a point there in a manager game
22:48:06: <wizzie> And it's not that much better in GP4 either
22:48:13: <Salamander> yeah
22:48:20: <Salamander> what dark said
22:48:23: <klon> As I say, we should take the Paris street track that is on grandprix2.de and have the French GP there
22:48:24: <klon> :D
22:48:32: <Aerond> oh Shut up
22:48:36: <klon> never!
22:48:53: <Nuppiz> Nogaro? :P
22:48:56: <klon> You may take my life but you will never take my whinging :D
22:49:12: <Nuppiz> Mas du Clos?
22:49:23: <klon> Mas du wut?
22:49:28: <klon> Mas du bate?
22:49:28: <Nuppiz> Linas-Monthléry?
22:49:36: <Salamander> rouen?
22:49:48: <klon> Le Mans Bugatti?
22:49:49: <klon> :P
22:49:49: <TMLW> Le Mans Bugatti :P
22:49:54: <TMLW> DAMMIT!
22:49:55: <RealRacingRoots> we are really scraping the bottom of the barell now
22:50:06: <Nuppiz> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circuit_du_Mas_du_Clos
22:50:09: <klon> two idiots, one thought TMLW
22:50:09: <klon> :D
22:50:23: <Salamander> just pick another track thats actually good and lets pretend its in france
22:50:30: <Eurobrun> Rouen lol How much death do you want
22:50:33: <Salamander> or we could rebadge the monaco gp as the french gp :D
22:50:35: <TMLW> If great minds think alike, surely poor minds do the same :D
22:50:57: <klon> Well, technically Monaco becomes part of France if nobody is able to inherent the throne
22:51:03: <dark77> Charade
22:51:06: <klon> We could pretend that has happened lol
22:51:09: <Aerond> Let's calculate Melrose
22:51:11: <Salamander> @D
22:51:12: <Salamander> :D
22:51:24: <Aerond> Although it'll take me a while take his Qualifying history
22:51:26: <klon> *inherit
22:52:00: <klon> knowing my luck he turns out super awesome and Wizzie kicks Lon out
22:52:01: <klon> :D
22:52:07: <Aerond> I'll calculate first his race points as the qualifying points are very clearly explained and don't need much of a thought if it's ok with you
22:52:19: <wizzie> Took the words right out of my mouth Klon :P
22:52:28: <Nuppiz> Klon, in which case Albert had died because of, uh, sex overdose?
22:52:48: <Eurobrun> I really want to see what Dagnall can do in a shithouse car
22:53:02: <klon> His head exploded when AS Monaco was defeated 0-9 against the San Marinese champions in the Europa League :D
22:53:12: <wizzie> So do the rest of us Eurobrun. Which is why we need to have a Grand Reversal NC race at some point this year :D
22:53:25: <Salamander> i second this
22:54:10: <Aerond> So Melrose starts with 14000, his first year only scored points; so it's +/-100 in the RNG
22:54:31: <Aerond> The RNG throwed +73
22:54:50: <Aerond> 2nd year he got race wins
22:54:57: <wizzie> Good to see the system recognised he was more focused on another F1 title that year :P
22:55:04: <Aerond> So it's 0/+300
22:55:07: <klon> excuses
22:55:26: <Aerond> The RNG said +18
22:55:35: <Salamander> ohhh dear :D
22:55:35: <wizzie> +18? For fuck's sake :(
22:55:40: <Aerond> So it'd be 14091 by now
22:55:46: <Eurobrun> your so fucked
22:55:55: <RealRacingRoots> loool
22:55:55: <Salamander> its only melrose
22:56:12: <Aerond> In 2012 he got podiums, so it's -50/+200
22:56:29: <TMLW> Wins races, gets less experience than scoring points. Does that seem stupid to anyone else?
22:56:32: <Aerond> The RNG said -31
22:56:45: <Nuppiz> lol
22:56:45: <Salamander> tmlw yeah
22:56:52: <Eurobrun> lolololololololololololololololol
22:56:53: <klon> so 14060
22:56:55: <Aerond> So it's 14060 by the end of 2012
22:56:56: <Salamander> tbh it does seem a bit off to me
22:57:08: <wizzie> -31? Excuse me while the Mad Uncle drowns himself in more Tropican Spiced Rum
22:57:18: <Aerond> In 2013 got podiums again
22:57:28: <Aerond> It said +48
22:57:29: <klon> Unless aerond changed the system the Random Grip Range is still charged up the arse
22:57:46: <klon> so all that hype about experienced driver was asinine nonsense lol
22:57:55: <Aerond> 2014 podiums again
22:58:02: <wizzie> Not necessarily Klon :L
22:58:07: <Aerond> +124
22:58:34: <wizzie> As I explained before, random grip range can do some weird things at time. I mean, Kazama had the highest race random grip of all yet she was remarkably consistent for 90% of the year
22:58:49: <Aerond> By the end of 2014 it would be 14232
22:59:07: <Nuppiz> err, wat
22:59:11: <Salamander> aerond, so what kind of range would james davies be looking at for 2013/2014?
22:59:27: <Aerond> in 2015 he got absolutely nothing, so it's +50/-200
22:59:32: <Aerond> The RNG said -36
22:59:33: <Nuppiz> does this system take into account the cars the driver has driven at all?
22:59:40: <klon> Nuppiz, nope
22:59:51: <Aerond> That's part of the fun, I guess
22:59:59: <TMLW> So even less fair then.
23:00:12: <TMLW> What exactly was wrong with the old system again?
23:00:15: <Aerond> It's supposed to bring equality
23:00:19: <klon> TMLW the old system
23:00:21: <klon> was the sole cause
23:00:23: <klon> for
23:00:26: <klon> DAGNALLWINSLOL
23:00:33: <Salamander> especially considering davies did a hell of a job to qualify that trueba
23:00:37: <TMLW> But no Dagnall.
23:01:00: <Eurobrun> Fun, what a load of bullshit. This is only rigging F1RWRS in favour of those at the front
23:01:23: <Aerond> So Melrose would start the 2016 season with 14198 as race grip, +5% of the credits invested in him in race pace in the 2013-2015 period
23:01:47: <Aerond> Eurobrun, non-scoring drivers can still improve from one season to the next
23:01:53: <klon> That is bascially nothing so the car he is in would be the most important thing
23:02:00: <wizzie> 14198? It should have easily been 14400 if it didn't decide to screw me over in 2011 and 2012 :P
23:02:17: <wizzie> I will admit I got off rather lightly for 2015 though
23:02:49: <Eurobrun> Sorry for the retard question but can you still buy driver upgrades
23:02:56: <klon> no
23:02:56: <Nuppiz> no
23:03:06: <Aerond> Buuuuuuuut
23:03:16: <Aerond> You can still improve your drivers through testing
23:03:20: <wizzie> Klon, that's what your guy has to beat if he still wants his drive for this year :P
23:03:27: <klon> He will
23:03:46: <wizzie> Aerond, could you do Lon as well just to see if he'll still have a job beyond this afternoon? :L
23:03:53: <Aerond> :p
23:04:03: <Aerond> No stats are definitive
23:04:09: <Aerond> this is just a simulation
23:04:25: <klon> nah
23:04:27: <Nuppiz> BTW TMLW, have you done the F3RWRS driver skills yet?
23:04:29: <Aerond> I'm at the laptop so it's a bit uncomfy for me to do it right now
23:04:30: <Salamander> hmmm
23:04:30: <Aerond> sorry
23:04:31: <klon> then don't do Lon
23:04:46: <Eurobrun> Glad I got rid of Cannon then. He did ok considering the cars he was driving but will get absolutely murdered
23:04:50: <klon> I don't want to get hyped on good RNG throws this time only for the real thing to be a farce
23:05:01: <Aerond> hahah
23:05:09: <TMLW> Nuppiz, not yet, I'll wait a bit.
23:05:18: <wizzie> The real thing should be done live. It makes for a great spectator sport :L
23:05:19: <Nuppiz> ok
23:05:26: <Aerond> lol
23:05:27: <Aerond> :p
23:05:33: <Aerond> It'll take me hours
23:05:41: <Nuppiz> I don't have high hopes for Larsen, but hopefully Cinotti will be decent
23:05:52: <TMLW> I really think that the car people drive should be taken into account
23:06:07: <Eurobrun> Now that I think is it possible to do Cannon as well?
23:06:13: <TMLW> Davies stats are going to be screwed by driving the crapbox that was the 2014 HRT
23:06:18: <TMLW> Zimmer by driving the 2015 HRT
23:06:29: <TMLW> And the 2014 GRM, arguably
23:06:36: <klon> but again, unless you get some ~700 points (at least) out of the dice rolls, it will have no significance since the random grip range will probably equal the playing field a lot
23:06:38: <wizzie> Hey, Melrose got fucked over for driving a 2012 MRT. Anything is possible
23:06:43: <Nuppiz> all Dofasco drivers to date
23:06:43: <TMLW> Melrose by the ArrowTech shitboxes
23:06:52: <TMLW> Cannon for the SOTL
23:06:57: <klon> and Lon got fucked over by the 2010 Kamaha and 2015 Prospec
23:07:02: <Aerond> right, although the base number for random grip is lowered this year
23:07:10: <wizzie> And the 2011 Kamahahahaha :P
23:07:13: <Eurobrun> I don't think Battani will get that fucked over
23:07:14: <Aerond> Have yet to decide if it's to 2000 or 1800, from 2200
23:07:24: <klon> Wizzie, the 2011 Kahama was good enough for podiums
23:07:37: <wizzie> It was a fluke podium. Admit it :P
23:07:45: <klon> The RNG doesn't care
23:07:46: <klon> lol
23:07:55: <Eurobrun> He was good whenever he qualified
23:07:56: <TMLW> And then drivers like Spencer who will benefit from the 2014 MRT despite being shit.
23:08:14: <klon> Aerond, don't forget to treat 2012 as a race-winning year for Lon, he was third in the championship :D
23:08:25: <TMLW> There's another thing!
23:08:40: <TMLW> No race wins, third in the championship, screwed over!
23:08:44: <klon> What does halfop do anyway
23:08:49: <TMLW> Gary Cameron would suffer too
23:08:53: <Nuppiz> idk
23:08:58: <Aerond> TMLW
23:08:59: <klon> lol
23:09:05: <Aerond> it's race wins or top 5
23:09:09: <klon> then why are you handing out half ops?
23:09:12: <Aerond> podium or top 10
23:09:22: <Nuppiz> we use it to mark whoever is leading the discussion ATM :P
23:09:32: <TMLW> OK then, so address the rest of my concerns.
23:09:41: <klon> and [in-character]Lon should actually have been champion[/in-character]
23:10:08: <Aerond> Also
23:10:49: <Aerond> to those ranting about Macklin situation
23:11:00: <Aerond> 2014 F2RWRS drivers
23:11:16: <Aerond> will have their F2RWRS points added to their grip tally
23:11:33: <dark77> hope macklin does well
23:11:52: <TMLW> There's another one screwed over by poor machinery.
23:12:04: <wizzie> Wait, could you do Macklin's stats now?
23:12:17: <wizzie> I'm starting to suspect he might end up with better stats that the Mad Uncle
23:12:27: <klon> he might just
23:12:37: <wizzie> Or very close to him at the very least
23:13:06: <Aerond> Yes
23:13:13: <Aerond> He'd start with 14000
23:13:25: <Aerond> + 100 for winnning F2RWRS
23:13:28: <Aerond> 14100
23:13:42: <Aerond> + 5 wins, 50
23:13:50: <Aerond> sorry
23:13:51: <Aerond> 100
23:13:55: <Aerond> that's 14200
23:14:18: <Aerond> +4 podiums, 40
23:14:18: <TMLW> How come it's a constant value for F2 experience, yet the more valuable F1 experience is random?
23:14:24: <Aerond> 14240
23:14:27: <Salamander> yeah
23:14:37: <klon> because then you'd have to throw RNGs for everything
23:14:45: <klon> and the 2016 season wouldn't start before August
23:14:45: <Salamander> i think the ranges should be closed up a bit for generating f1 experience
23:14:59: <Aerond> +2 point scoring, 10
23:15:05: <Aerond> That's 14250
23:15:14: <Aerond> Now RNG for 2015 season
23:15:25: <Aerond> -101
23:15:32: <Aerond> 14149
23:15:38: <Aerond> TMLW, not so fast
23:15:52: <Aerond> Junior driver start from a lower base than 14000
23:15:57: <wizzie> So, he ended up respectfully close to Melrose in the end
23:16:01: <Aerond> F2RWRS promoted drivers start at 13800
23:16:08: <Aerond> not 14000
23:16:24: <TMLW> So? It's still ridiculous that they have constant numbers
23:16:31: <wizzie> But I assume Macklin started at 14000 because he drove the shitbox Simpson in 2015, correct?
23:16:41: <Salamander> hmmm
23:16:52: <Aerond> They also get a +/-100 before starting
23:16:56: <TMLW> I might as well leave Carter Simpson in F2 so that he racks up the wins, then when he has 20 of them promote him to F1 where he'll have brilliant stats
23:16:57: <Aerond> Right, Wizzie
23:17:03: <Salamander> this may very well work out in rosco vantini's favour
23:17:26: <Aerond> Anyway, it will be probably restricted to the last 3 seasons of junior career in the future
23:17:43: <Aerond> But right now that rule would make no sense since we only had two seasons of F2 and F3
23:18:24: <TMLW> You should either get the RNG out for everything, or for nothing.
23:18:25: <wizzie> It just might Salamander. He's sitting on 14155 right now before we get to the RNG for 2015
23:18:31: <wizzie> Which will be 0/+300
23:18:54: <TMLW> As we just saw, Macklin had most of his F2 wiped out by the RNG, even though he's better than that.
23:19:20: <Aerond> no, I can't do that since I can't make an effect on other categories performances
23:19:51: <Aerond> the RNG would have to dictate the performance of the drivers in your category in the future
23:20:02: <TMLW> They already do, sort of.
23:20:10: <TMLW> New F3 drivers get RNG stats.
23:20:36: <TMLW> The range changes based on previous results, weighted based on series.
23:20:50: <TMLW> All drivers get them.
23:21:11: <Aerond> yeah, but my RNG don't necessarily match yours
23:21:16: <Aerond> So it makes no sense
23:21:28: <TMLW> Then it become simple.
23:21:37: <TMLW> DON'T USE THE RNG FOR F1RWRS EXPERIENCE!
23:21:50: <Aerond> Then what??
23:21:59: <Aerond> The old system wasn't working
23:22:13: <wizzie> For those of you that are interested, Tomo Kazama is on 14150 for this year
23:22:16: <TMLW> Do exactly what you for the junior categories!
23:22:27: <TMLW> X points for wins, Y for podiums, etc.
23:22:29: <klon> Wizzie
23:22:30: <klon> what!
23:22:33: <klon> that cannot be right
23:22:34: <Aerond> no
23:22:39: <Aerond> because that way
23:22:50: <klon> She has more success than Vantini (a lot more) and should therefore have more
23:22:50: <Aerond> the differences between drivers would become too big
23:22:53: <wizzie> She started on 13800, but she got so many points in the F2RWRS and F3RWRS it completely negated the disadvantage
23:22:55: <wizzie> And then some
23:23:10: <Salamander> yeah
23:23:13: <klon> oh wait, forget what I said
23:23:14: <Aerond> Kazama would get a +/-100 on that
23:23:29: <klon> ?
23:23:33: <Salamander> using fixed values for wins, podiums, etc, will just ensure DAGNALLWINSLOL for all eternity
23:23:37: <Aerond> Junior drivers do
23:23:37: <TMLW> Which means the F2 and F3 champion could have basically nothing. Brilliant.
23:23:43: <Aerond> Exactly Salamander
23:23:54: <klon> TMLW, Jan Magnussen called
23:24:12: <klon> and so will Nico Hülkenberg do soon
23:25:20: <Aerond> Also
23:25:29: <Aerond> a driver can do good enough on a bad car
23:25:35: <Aerond> to be noticed by top team managers
23:26:17: <TMLW> Not if they have poor stats from being in other bad cars.
23:26:44: <Aerond> you forget there's more factors into racing
23:26:57: <wizzie> I like how we're getting so fired up about this when we all know that 2016 will be an MRTWINSLOL anyway :P
23:27:11: <Aerond> I predict a bad car in the right tyres doing interesting things at some races
23:27:30: <klon> Wizzie, true
23:27:31: <Aerond> and the right car with the wrong tyres suffering badly at some
23:27:36: <wizzie> Aerond, you decided on who gets ROTY for 2015 yet?
23:27:41: <Aerond> nope
23:27:50: <Aerond> we have to conduct proper voting
23:28:04: <Aerond> it's on my to-do list
23:28:32: <wizzie> But we all know it'll be the Mad Uncle romping away with that award with his spectacular fall from grace :L
23:28:37: <Salamander> yeah
23:28:38: <wizzie> With HRT providing some competition
23:28:43: <TMLW> That would seem to be a priority, since it can determine the budgets for some teams.
23:28:44: <Salamander> theres really no contest
23:29:19: <klon> ... isn't ROTY only worth like 50 credits or so?
23:29:27: <wizzie> 200 credits for the winner
23:29:37: <klon> Ui, well then yeah, that's significant
23:29:42: <wizzie> But if Melrose wins, it'll probably be split between Simpson and HRT
23:29:51: <klon> but ROTY will be like our universes F1 anyway
23:29:55: <klon> MelroseWinsLol
23:29:56: <wizzie> It's then 100 credits for second place and 50 for third place
23:30:54: <wizzie> http://www.f1rejects.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=224568#p224568
23:30:55: <Salamander> so, if ron mignolet gets an roty award, who gets the credits?
23:31:03: <Aerond> mmmg
23:31:07: <Aerond> good question
23:31:13: <wizzie> Turns out I did neatly summarise all the contenders for this year's ROTY award
23:31:23: <Aerond> I guess half would be forfeited and half given to Arrowtech
23:31:37: <Salamander> seems fair to me
23:32:15: <wizzie> And I managed to bag out Mecha in the process as well :P
23:33:22: <Aerond> lol
23:33:29: <Aerond> any extra questions?
23:33:51: <TMLW> Apart from "Can we just go back to last year's system?", no.
23:34:12: <klon> no we cannot
23:34:23: <wizzie> It won't make much of a difference. The only thing it'll change is by how much MRTWILSLOL :P
23:34:31: <Aerond> lol
23:34:38: <Aerond> I think it'll make a difference
23:34:39: <klon> I wil in the lottery, I am a real willer
23:34:41: <Aerond> Really
23:34:43: <TMLW> Actually, I do have one.
23:34:49: <TMLW> Can we change the points system now?
23:34:50: <RealRacingRoots> could you possibly give more furthur warning about the race weekend weather so support races could use that weather as well?
23:35:10: <Salamander> yeah
23:35:12: <Salamander> i second that tmlw
23:35:18: <klon> yeah, that would be worth considering
23:35:25: <Aerond> Yes, Realracingroots
23:35:42: <klon> especially since a less win-orientated system would be helpful in rewarding reliability
23:35:52: <Salamander> indeed
23:36:10: <Salamander> i have to admit, im not a fan of the 10-6-4-3-2-1 system
23:36:12: <Aerond> It'd be ok to me if we keep 6 scorers
23:36:25: <klon> then we could go with the classic 9-6-4-3-2-1
23:36:36: <klon> not much of a difference, but something
23:36:41: <Aerond> how about 10-7-5-3-2-1
23:36:48: <klon> that sounds neat as well
23:36:50: <TMLW> I'd prefer a top 8 system. We aren't getting many races with only 7 cars finishing anymore.
23:37:01: <wizzie> Wasn't that the system Pasta tried to use for his 1980 season?
23:37:50: <Aerond> no idea
23:39:59: <Salamander> average number of finishers per race in 2015 is 13.625 by the way
23:40:18: <Salamander> not counting drivers classified having completed 90% distance
23:40:20: <Aerond> Similar to early 90`s F1 IIRC
23:40:26: <TMLW> And less than half got rewarded.
23:40:33: <Salamander> yeah
23:40:44: <Salamander> i'd advocate a switch to the 03-09 f1 system
23:40:48: <Salamander> 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1
23:41:14: <TMLW> I agree with that one Salamander
23:41:25: <RealRacingRoots> seems like the most reasonable option out there
23:41:27: <klon> nah, then let's go with 12-9-7-5-4-3-2-1 ... three points difference between winner and 2nd place is ideal
23:41:36: <wizzie> About time my idea from 2013 finally got some traction Salamander :P
23:41:52: <Salamander> hey, i wasnt paying attention then :p
23:42:27: <klon> but if we change the F1RWRS point system in a significant manner I think the junior categories should follow suit
23:42:57: <Salamander> i think f1 is the only one using that system
23:43:05: <TMLW> The F3 is using a top 15 system because of the huge grid.
23:43:05: <wizzie> Nah, it'll just bring the F1RWRS roughly in line with the F2 and F3RWRS
23:43:14: <Salamander> yup
23:43:22: <TMLW> F2 already uses the 03-09 system doesn't it?
23:43:35: <wizzie> Yeah. With bonus points for poles and fastest laps. Because I can :P
23:43:35: <TMLW> I stopped paying attention to the championship after a while
23:44:01: <wizzie> Which led to the ridiculously awesome situation of a five way tie for 3rd heading into the final race
23:44:16: <wizzie> Which was only broken by a sole point for fastest lap :L
23:44:42: <Salamander> well, i think we should open this points discussion to all the team bosses before we make a decision either way
23:44:53: <klon> Nah
23:45:02: <Salamander> :D
23:45:06: <klon> discussions upon hours and hours don't lead to anything
23:45:10: <klon> :D
23:45:33: <wizzie> Not unless there's a copious amount of alcohol involved :P
23:45:39: <RealRacingRoots> clearly we can't have a effective democracy
23:45:41: <Aerond> Real Life F1 in 1991 got 12.9 finishers
23:45:42: <wizzie> Which the RWRS has plenty of, mind you
23:45:52: <Aerond> So F1RWRS not doing bad
23:45:53: <klon> RealRacingRoots - nah, no such thing
23:46:00: <klon> neither in RL nor on the internet :D
23:46:47: <klon> Why have I used a smiley there? I was not being ironic or anything.
23:47:12: <Aerond> Wizzie, the extra credits for FL and Pole are there instead of points
23:47:30: <Aerond> I'd get rid of those credits if we gave points for that
23:47:32: <wizzie> Who said I was ever gonna suggest having points for FL and Pole?
23:47:48: <wizzie> Although that being said, I personally think it should be the same amount of credits for FL and Pole
23:48:00: <Aerond> mmmh, I don't know
23:48:01: <wizzie> Whether Poles gets bumped down or FL gets a boost is not my problem :P
23:48:14: <Salamander> i agree
23:48:19: <Salamander> fl and poles should get the same amount
23:48:22: <klon> Poles should be bumped down then
23:48:46: <klon> because FLAP distribution is rather limited in GP2
23:49:04: <Salamander> yeah
23:49:08: <klon> so large sums of dosh for FLAPs would give the fastest teams a significant advantage
23:49:14: <Salamander> it was usually either dagnall or davies in 2015
23:49:58: <wizzie> There were only two fastest laps all year that didn't go to either MRT or DGN
23:50:03: <wizzie> And one of those was with Davies anyway
23:50:38: <wizzie> That being said, the pole distribution was equally as grim
23:51:17: <Aerond> Well, we got 8 drivers from 3 different teams
23:51:22: <Aerond> not that bad
23:51:36: <Salamander> yeah
23:51:45: <Salamander> as opposed to 4 drivers from the same 3 teams for fl
23:51:49: <wizzie> Well, the amount of drivers isn't that much of a concern. It just decides who goes in the record books for what
23:51:53: <klon> I'll be curious if Kay Lon can score a pole next year
23:52:10: <wizzie> It's which teams that are getting poles and fls that are the real point of interest
23:52:53: <wizzie> Although I think the distribution for 2015 was such because the top 4 teams were so much faster than anyone else it wasn't funny
23:52:56: <Salamander> actually no
23:53:04: <Aerond> Well, I don't mind much changing the points scoring system as long it's kept on top 6
23:53:05: <Salamander> 4 teams got pole in 2015
23:53:19: <Aerond> 25 drivers is still a good ammount of drivers getting points
23:53:23: <TMLW> Why does it have to be top 6?
23:53:30: <Salamander> i still think expanding to the top 8 is preferable
23:53:35: <dark77> ^
23:53:40: <klon> why not a compromise?
23:53:41: <klon> Top 7
23:53:42: <klon> :D
23:53:52: <wizzie> Because 7 is an awful number to work with
23:54:02: <klon> but it's a lucky number
23:54:10: <klon> also "awful"
23:54:13: <Aerond> And I don't want to give away more credits
23:54:15: <klon> leads to "rejectful"
23:54:19: <Aerond> top 8 means more credits
23:54:24: <klon> leads to "good"
23:54:24: <Salamander> if it was top 8 in 1991, every team that finished a race in 1991 would scored a point :D
23:54:32: <Salamander> wait no
23:54:36: <TMLW> Cheap bastard.
23:54:37: <Salamander> thats wrong
23:54:38: <Aerond> and it doesn't mean they will go to lower field teams
23:54:48: <Salamander> nearly every team
23:55:00: <dark77> how about the top 8 get points but only the top 6 get credits
23:55:10: <klon> Salamander, who were the poor sods who failed
23:55:13: <wizzie> That won't work Dark
23:55:22: <Aerond> that's unecessarily complicated to calculate
23:55:22: <wizzie> Because credits are handed out on a per-point basis
23:55:26: <Aerond> exactly
23:55:35: <Salamander> klon it was fondmetal and footwork
23:56:06: <wizzie> If we had the Top 8 points system for 2015, the biggest beneficiary would have been Jones. And the Mad Uncle simply can't have that :P
23:56:15: <Aerond> lol
23:56:22: <klon> and Lon still wouldn't have had points :/
23:56:36: <Aerond> But see, top 8 doesn't mean lower teams will get more benefited
23:56:44: <klon> makes you wonder why he hasn't had no ROTY nominations
23:56:58: <Aerond> if top teams get more points because of it
23:56:58: <TMLW> They'll score more points than they would, and thus earn more credits. That is a pretty clear benefit.
23:58:16: <Aerond> you're only looking at half of it. What's the point for Team A to get 25 extra credits if more powerful Team B get 75 extra credits????
23:58:31: <wizzie> As an interesting side note though, HRT would have jumped both Prospec and Kingfisher in the standings with the Top 8 system
23:58:46: <wizzie> And Prospec would have also fallen behind our friends down at Tropico
23:58:52: <klon> how?
23:59:07: <klon> I think we had three top 8 finishes
23:59:16: <wizzie> Yeah. HRT had four though :P
23:59:18: <TMLW> Because HRT had a billion 7ths early in the year
23:59:22: <klon> yes
23:59:27: <Salamander> alright, im gonna work out exactly who wouldve benefitted from a top 8 scoring system in 2015
23:59:28: <wizzie> And three of those were 7th places
23:59:33: <klon> but I was wondering how Tropico could beat Prospec
23:59:50: <wizzie> Because Prospec only had a sole 5th against a 6th and two 8ths for Tropico
23:59:52: <Aerond> And what's the point of Top 8?? The epic of scoring will disappear
23:59:58: <Aerond> As it happened in RL F1
23:59:58: <klon> that is true
00:00:02: <wizzie> Which meant they would have been ahead by a single point
00:00:05: <klon> that is also true
00:00:20: <wizzie> Alitalia still manage to move absolutely nowhere in the process though :L
00:00:29: <klon> because Alitalia blows lol
00:00:31: <Aerond> Remember, it's high reliability which destroyed the epic in real life f1
00:00:43: <Aerond> And I'll make sure that doesn't happen in F1RWRS
00:00:44: <Aerond> :p
00:01:05: <wizzie> The reliability limit's at 2500 right now, correct?
00:01:10: <Aerond> yup
00:01:21: <wizzie> Why not raise it to 3000, just for teh lulz?
00:01:21: <klon> a bit less then five retirements a year
00:01:33: <Aerond> Well
00:01:43: <Aerond> I will simply make new engines less reliable
00:01:43: <Aerond> :p
00:01:59: <klon> don't forget about the upper limit though :P
00:02:24: <wizzie> Klon, the upper limit's like 16000 or some ridiculous shit like that :P
00:02:36: <wizzie> I don't think anyone would be stupid enough to buy an engine that unreliable :P
00:03:45: <Aerond> Simply with the most reliable engine being at 4000, that'll make pretty hard for almost everyone to get to the limit
00:03:48: <klon> It's 16384 to be precise
00:04:00: <Aerond> As you have to add chassis reliability
00:05:15: <Aerond> Well
00:05:32: <Aerond> I'll leave you thinking about what we discussed
00:05:36: <Salamander> alright
00:05:38: <Aerond> Time for bed
00:06:02: <Salamander> well, sunshine wouldve benefitted from a top 8 scoring system 7 times
00:06:08: <Aerond> But don't be as stupid as F1 teams were 10 years ago and keep scoring drivers at 6!!!
00:06:11: <Salamander> jones 4
00:06:15: <Salamander> hrt 3
00:06:18: <Salamander> boxtel 3
00:06:22: <Salamander> arrowtech 2
00:06:25: <Salamander> kamaha 2
00:06:27: <Salamander> gillet 2
00:06:30: <Salamander> foxdale 2
00:06:33: <Salamander> alitalia 2
00:06:36: <Salamander> tropico 2
00:06:36: <wizzie> You also need to take into account extra points for top 6 finishes as well
00:06:44: <Salamander> dgn 1
00:06:46: <Salamander> kingfisher
00:06:47: <Salamander> 1
00:06:50: <Salamander> mrt 1
00:06:54: <klon> well, then a top 8 system is bad
00:06:55: <Salamander> wizzie screw that
00:06:59: <klon> Alitalia must never profit
00:07:06: <Salamander> its way too late to bother :p
00:07:41: <klon> I for my part think if there is no movement on the 6 points finishers issue we should go for 10-7-5-3-2-1
00:08:04: <Salamander> nah
00:08:18: <Salamander> if its gonna be 6 scorers keep it at 10-6-4-3-2-1
00:08:29: <Salamander> points systems using a 7 are le dumb :p
00:09:17: <klon> I should mention that seeing "le ironic shitposting" use of the word "le" fulfills me with murderous desire and a lust for warm blood
00:09:35: <Salamander> sucks to be you then
00:09:44: <Salamander> :p
00:09:56: <klon> Nah, sucks to be Jordan Davies - because I will use all my power to ruin his career
00:10:05: <Aerond> good night guys
00:10:05: <Salamander> what power
00:10:07: <klon> if you don't cease your villanous behaviour
00:10:09: <Salamander> see ya
00:10:13: <klon> bye
00:10:14: <Aerond> have fun with your 3.30 klon
00:10:17: <Salamander> what villainous behaviour
00:10:19: <klon> I will lol
00:10:23: <Aerond> You should make a blog out of your missery
00:10:52: <klon> nah - unlike with this chat I can't force people to listen and if nobody is forced to listen to me nobody listens to me lol
00:11:02: <Salamander> :D
00:11:04: <RealRacingRoots> did a test race at the norisring
00:11:18: <Salamander> how bad?
00:11:18: <RealRacingRoots> that was a great battle for the win between the chris short ferraris
00:11:44: <klon> how did BITW fare?
00:11:51: <RealRacingRoots> i dont remember
00:11:59: <RealRacingRoots> I was watching the battle for the win
00:12:06: <klon> booo :P
00:12:08: <wizzie> Were the JLD as useless as always?
00:12:12: <RealRacingRoots> yup
00:12:15: <Aerond> Oh, and be prepared for some novelties in the engine market
00:12:27: <klon> Trabant?
00:12:30: <Aerond> Qualifying and race bhp won't be chained anymore
00:12:36: <RealRacingRoots> 3 Laps before the end the Chris Short Ferraris were side-by-side for the duration of the lap
00:12:36: <wizzie> Novelties? You mean like free inflatable flailing arms men and shit? :L
00:12:56: <Aerond> so it means at least one manufacturer going for a tremendous qualifying engine which could be shit during races
00:13:02: <Aerond> or the contrary
00:13:14: <Nuppiz> I don't even remember the IFRC points system :D
00:13:16: <Salamander> well i know what engine im going for :D
00:13:26: <Salamander> that doesnt bode well :p
00:13:45: <klon> Ha, there is the advantage of being an utterly independent customer team
00:13:46: <Nuppiz> oh, so heat races have 2003-09 F1
00:13:58: <klon> I can pick the best one available
00:14:05: <Nuppiz> Features have 15-12-9-7-6-5-4-3-2-1
00:14:17: <Salamander> :o
00:14:24: <Aerond> Ok
00:14:24: <Salamander> youre using a 7 :p
00:14:26: <Salamander> :o
00:14:28: <Aerond> good night guys
00:14:36: <RealRacingRoots> i'm doing something similar for GT-R nuppiz
00:14:36: <Aerond> my gf is waiting at bed
00:14:42: <RealRacingRoots> Oooooo
00:14:43: <Nuppiz> ooh
00:14:45: <Nuppiz> kinky
00:14:49: <Aerond> you'll understand my urge