Shirakawasuna's fallacies

 innit  11:59:17
The UK system was partially attacked and hacked by russia over the Brexit issue.
+ Hedrin  11:59:22
Dreams2X -they are dung beetles who want to swallow up the turds the wealthy drop.
+ chthonic  11:59:38
that links sucks, please disregard
+ innit  11:59:42
Like the US, they're apparently too weak to resolve this after the fact, and so they plow forward with Brexit as if it had a democratic majority, which it didn't.
+ Hedrin  11:59:43
It should be like the movie "Overboad" - knock rich people on their heads and steal their women.
er....."Overboard"
+ chthonic  11:59:55
GUILLOTINE
+ Plan  11:59:59
lol blaming the russians for brexit
@ Shirakawasuna  12:00:02
they're authoritarian conservatives, Dreams2X. It barely matters that it's against their self-interest and it certainly doesn't register.
@ BS_Lewis  12:00:05
partially related mostly off topic: i wonder how many elections the US has interfered in.
+ chthonic  12:00:34
the advantage that russia has over the u.s. in espionage and manipulation of foreign powers is that we have a new administration every four years
russia's plans for other countries sprawl out over decades
@ Shirakawasuna  12:00:53
Russia tries and succeeds to tip the scales, just a tad, Plan
+ innit  12:01:00
Plan, you have a low-quality mind, and you know what that means.
@ Shirakawasuna  12:01:11
innit, no insults pls
+ chthonic  12:01:25
this was more markedly true during the cold war
@ BS_Lewis  12:01:41
warriors fans on twitter are quite salty today
@ Shirakawasuna  12:01:43
the CIA knits teddy bears and bakes cookies
+ innit  12:01:49
For everybody else: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/10/russian-influence-brexit-vote-detailed-us-senate-repor...
@ BS_Lewis  12:01:49
wah injuries wah
+ pela  12:01:52
[ Russian bid to influence Brexit vote detailed in new US Senate report | World news | The Guardian ]
+ chthonic  12:01:59
but even now, it's impossible for the CIA to spin out programs over years and years with different political imperatives in place with each administration
+ innit  12:02:29
Shirakawasuna: Is it possible for humans to have low-quality minds?
@ Shirakawasuna  12:02:36
Russia is doing it in new ways with great success, Plan
+ innit  12:02:38
https://www.npr.org/2019/01/19/686830510/senate-finds-russian-bots-bucks-helped-push-brexit-vote-thr...
+ pela  12:02:39
[ Senate Finds Russian Bots, Bucks Helped Push Brexit Vote Through : NPR ]
+ chthonic  12:03:04
there is plenty of responsibility to be heaped on everyone
@ Shirakawasuna  12:03:04
big data-driven propaganda and targeted hacking
the NSA spies
+ chthonic  12:03:42
mostly on its own citizens
@ Shirakawasuna  12:03:42
I don't remember the NSA buying out social media ads or pushing fake news
let alone doing that to influence a particular foreign election
+ chthonic  12:04:05
the new laws regarding data are saving the NSA heaps of money
+ innit  12:04:13
Shirakawasuna: Are you aware that people like Plan who are at best uneducated in this space, and at most likely semi-willing spreaders of disinformation, use their ignorance, feigned or otherwise, as part of asymmetric warfare in our societies.
+ chthonic  12:04:14
they can just buy our data with a shell company
@ Shirakawasuna  12:04:14
if you rely too much on whataboutism it starts to stretch belief pretty quickly
+ chthonic  12:04:36
if we're going to have a pissing contest, can i sit down
@ BS_Lewis  12:04:52
I got my answer. There's a dedicated Wiki article with an entirely too long of a list about times there was foreign election intervention by the US
@ Shirakawasuna  12:05:03
innit, if you're going to snipe at least do it in a way that's directly relevant to the conversation. Second warning.
*  12:05:13
Ignoring Shirakawasuna
+ innit  12:05:23
Shirakawasuna: I ended my conversation with you.
+ Dreams2X  12:05:23
 someone flush lania, please
+ innit  12:05:49
You announced you are unavailable for debate in #debates, and I believe you.
+ chthonic  12:06:23
this is all the blink of a gnat's eye in human history
we buy into this idea that "NOW" is the most important thing that ever happened
+ Dreams2X  12:07:07
I don't think gnats have eyelids
@ BS_Lewis  12:07:08
it is to my gnats eye
+ innit  12:07:21
In case anybody is wondering, yes, responding to legitimate questions about how to modify conversational strategies on the internet, given we know it's a weaponized platform by multiple nation states and corporations, with posts about "sniping" is an example of "sniping" and fallacious thinking.
+ chthonic  12:07:27
potayto potahto
+ innit  12:07:46
This indicates the speaker is in a world of social hierarchy, as opposed to evidenced-based debate, which renders them an enemy of the ideals of Western civilization.