Cathars

Right Wing politics are concerned with the long-term survival of Civilization

Christianity is only concerned with personal salvation to become part of a nebulous afterlife for which no evidence exists, and for which this world needs to be sacrificed, which is best expressed in the way early christians like Martin of Tours refused to fight enemies of their nations, insofar killing in this world could cost them heaven

When Jesus says "if they take your coat, let them have your shirt as well", "do not resist evil", "I have come to turn a man against his own household", "if you don't hate your self and your own family you can't follow me", "love your enemies, pray for your persecutors", "the meek will inherit the Earth", "those that wanna die will live", "blessed are those the persecuted, for they will be my Kingdom", "do not save treasures for tomorrow", "carry your cross so that you can receive eternal reward", "Sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you'll have treasure in heaven", "it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye than for the rich to enter Heaven", "Woe to you who are well fed, Woe to you who laugh, for you will mourn and weep"...

... he is not kidding, or meaning the opposite, but actually setting down a morality where the world is a lie and only the afterlife is the real deal, so destroying your life in this world, "carrying your cross" as he says, is completely logical

/pol/ "christians" seem to believe Jesus actually meant the OPPOSITE of all that, and that Jesus wants you to defend your family, that Jesus wants you to kill your enemies, to become prosperous, well-fed and rich in this world, and to avoid persecution and death!




Only a person that does not actually believe in the Heaven for the persecuted, the meek, and the martyred would actually re-interpret Christianity as a cult of earthly power which declares "the strong shall inherit the Earth", "my kingdom is of this world" and "you must destroy the enemies of your nation"

Only some one that just wanna use Christianity as an empty shell devoid of any true religious promises would claim that Paul and Peter misinterpreted Jesus when they submitted to their enemies and died to them while praying for them, instead of fighting the romans back and establishing a crusader kingdom, thing that one would expect them to do if Jesus meant "be a fighter and impose your will on your enemies" when he said "love your enemies and lend all they need to them without expecting anything in return"

But using Christianity as a shell devoid of any religious promises simply allows its poisonous morality to survive into the next generation.

You can tell your children that Jesus wanted them to be earthly warriors because "I didn't come to bring peace", but you can't stop them from reading the rest of the paragraph and realizing what Jesus wanted is for them to put christian morality above the good-being of their own families.



You can tell your children that Jesus wanted them to be earthly warriors because "Buy a sword", but you can't stop them from reading the next chapter and realizing that Jesus stopped Peter from using the sword to fight and defeat the romans, and reprimanded him for misunderstanding, all while asking him to carry his own cross (Peter, fully realizing that Jesus meant all the stuff about embracing death and his kingdom was not of this world, that angelic chariots were not going to slay his enemies and bring him victory, realized he was doomed, and would then deny Jesus 3 times)

You can tell your children that Jesus wanted them to be earthly warriors because ""Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces", but you can't stop them from reading the rest of the paragraph and realizing that Jesus was asking them, not to destroy their enemies, but to not put in risk their own moral position by criticizing others. You may want them to believe that Jesus, in the middle of a speech about not judging other people and sharing, suddenly decided that speak against the muslims that didn't even exist back then!

That is not going to fly.

Sooner or later, your "strict catholic crusader" state will be reformed into liberalism, because the Gospel will still exist, because your children, like Peter, will realize that Jesus meant it when he said "you are to be persecuted and martyred for me", that Jesus didn't say "you will live in a stable and powerful civilization, free of oppresion and death, thanks to me".







I expect all your answers to be now

"all the answers are in this book, but I am too smart to discuss it here, for some bizarre reason my arguments can't be reduced  to logical sentences to be debated""




Christianity can't cure a disease it caused

Pagan Romans were fundamentally free of the chains of jewish power, so much that they almost exterminated them all in their own homeland after the rebellion of Bar Kocheba

It would be Christian Europe that would fall under permanent jewish influence, with the jewish-controlled churches banning europeans from financing and loaning, giving them as a monopoly to jews

By the modern era, Christians were so throughly judaized, that they started to actively wish for the restoration of Israel so that the end of the world would finally come around and their civilization would die!

And why would it be otherwise?

A religion which such obsession with death, with promise is the end of the world, is fundamentally a time-bomb in the basement of a civilization

Do you really believe that the early christians that embraced their martyrhood to the lions said to themselves "I am dying to this lion so that the white race can survive, fuck jews!" or any such anachronistic reinterpretation that you have decided to give to their death cult?



Christians corrupted the very meaning of Agape

In the Greek-Roman world, love meant "common feeling of mutual interest born out of shared experiences"

yet Christians expect us to love people we don't know, that we don't care about, just so that we can fill ourselves with misguided pride about how we are friends of mankind itself!

and they twist this meaning so much, that here they want us to believe that the Crusaders loved every single damn person that they slaughtered in Constantinople

Because, according to /pol/ christians, Love is not about shared interest, it is about telling to yourself "how I love that guy" right before cutting his head off



> inb4 Turning the other cheek does not mean pacifism. Slapping someone's face with the back of your hand was an insult for a very long time.

no it wasn't. that shit was made up by radical black-nationalist liberal theologist Walter Wink to justify social rebellion in South Africa.

There are NO sources to it outside his books





> Christianity totally lost the entire Middle East to Jews and Muslims but it is the best religion ever because BTFOed Europeans xD romans BTFO!! pagan saxons BTFO! constaninople BTFO XD this religion is totally not a jewish invention to kill whites I swear!!!! I can't wait until the World is finally destroyed and I get to worship the Jewish War God every single second for eternity! Truly a dream come true!!!



> Christianity made Europe...

Christianity made Europe a mess...

That "conversion" of Europe involved a lot of killing of whites and destruction of history and art, even worse, it involved killing scientists that went through the Middle Ages, so much that Islam got ahead of Europe during the Middle Ages

> bu... but the surviving scientists were christians and even talked well of the kike Jesus!!!

see: http://www.pewforum.org/2009/11/05/scientists-and-belief/
> According to the poll, just over half of scientists (51%) believe in some form of deity or higher power; specifically, 33% of scientists say they believe in God, while 18% believe in a universal spirit or higher power.

Now that not being a christian is not a death sentence, most scientists don't give a fuck about pretending to worship a kike

Certainly, if Christianity was pro-Science, it would not be anti-world, and it would have not allowed Islam to get ahead of Europe and almost cuck it completely during the Middle Ages

I mean really: FUCKING ISLAM GOT AHEAD OF EUROPE

Is that the religion that you claim "made Europe"?

You believe in an era where the Islamic World was ahead of Europe, so much that our word for complex mathematics is ALGEBRA, an arab word!

But then, Jesus the Kike promised that.

He said clearly that, while men would love their enemies, men would have their enemies in their own household, so it is no wonder europeans were killing each other until well







Jews are a very successful group that has become successful by monopolising finances through ethnic networking and promoting ideologies that demonize their own actions so that the goyim won't copy their success

so they promote anti-nationalistic Communism among the goyim while endorsing Zionism for themselves

that is why they promoted universalist Christianity among the goyim while endorsing Judaism for themselves

then christians wonder why Jews dominate them!


Question for you

How would you prove to the Pope or any mainstream christian that "do not resist evil" is out of context?

The context of the story is how christians should behave the opposite of gentiles, who love their friends and families, and hate their enemies

The larger context is a Gospel where all the main figures mentioned allowed their enemies to kill them without slaying them back: Jesus, Peter, Paul

What is true context of the paragraph?

How do you turn "Do not resist evil" into "FUCK OFF MUSLIMS!"?



Jews are a very successful group that has become successful by monopolising finances through ethnic networking and promoting ideologies that demonize their own actions so that the goyim won't copy their success

so they promote anti-nationalistic Communism among the goyim while endorsing Zionism for themselves

that is why they promoted universalist Christianity among the goyim while keeping Judaism for themselves, and including it as the Old Testament within  Christianity, so that they would remain the most important people of the world.

So there is no real contradiction once you understand how Jews work: Do as I say (Christianity), not as I do (Judaism, Old Testament).

then christians wonder why Jews dominate them!


Matthew follows the royal line through David and Solomon, David's son and successor to the throne. Luke follows the royal line through Nathan, another son of David.

The wife's son argument does not really hold up as even early christians were obsessed with showing how much of a true jew Jesus was

Paul repeats the same claims through his letters



You "christian" people seem to believe that Paul the Pharisee and Peter the Jew the grabbed their swords and killed the romans that wanted to execute them, come on

They were well aware that their religion demanded them to be submissive to their enemies and finally die to them, that is exactly the lesson they wanted the goyim to learn

Look, I know that you actually don't believe in the whole "infinite treasures in Heaven" thing, so you are trying to justify fighting for survival in this world where you can get actual treasures, but don't try to rewrite history please






Everything wrong with the west after it became Christian is the product of historical accidents, Christianity being one of those accidents

One that endangers the survival of the West because of the morality contained within it.

In fact... but why should christians care if the West is endangered?

Do you really believe that the early christians that embraced their martyrhood to the lions said to themselves "I am dying to this lion so that the white race can survive, fuck jews!" or any such anachronistic reinterpretation that you have decided to give to their death cult?

His Kingdom is not of this world. Jesus didn't want people to create biggest empires in his name

He just hated the world and wanted it all to end

Outside of the cross, a symbol of humiliating execution, most "christian symbolism" is stolen out of pagans anyways




Whatever Christians would not wish others to do to them, they do not to others. And they comfort their oppressors and make them their friends; they do good to their enemies…. Through love towards their oppressors, they persuade them to become Christians.
—The Apology of Aristides 15

A soldier of the civil authority must be taught not to kill men and to refuse to do so if he is commanded, and to refuse to take an oath. If he is unwilling to comply, he must be rejected for baptism. A military commander or civic magistrate must resign or be rejected. If a believer seeks to become a soldier, he must be rejected, for he has despised God.

—Hippolytus of Rome

How can a man be master of another's life, if he is not even master of his own? Hence he ought to be poor in spirit, and look at Him who for our sake became poor of His own will; let him consider that we are all equal by nature, and not exalt himself impertinently against his own race[...]

—Gregory of Nyssa, Homilies on the Beatitudes




If Christianity is a religion of earthly power, why didn't it save the Western Roman Empire then? Why did Saint Augustine wrote that it was not a christian concern the existence or not of wordly kingdoms?

Why were Christians unable to save even their fucking holy land from the Muslims, if they are the religion of earthly power that you believe they are?

Why is the North Africa now muslim, if it was once christian and roman?

That they didn't manage to screw things completely over was an accident of history, not for lack of trying

and most importantly of all questions, why has Christianity become an enabler of the muslim invasion of Europe, if it is such religion of earthly power and "the strong will inherit the Earth" as you seem to believe?

why are all the christian mainstream churches pro-refugee, if christian doctrine says "hate your enemy, and do not lend to them all they want" instead of the opposite as you claim?

The strange thing is that "christians" like you are a minority within Christianity itself that they claim to represent, with everyone from the Pope to the Anglican Churches to the Protestant Churches actively cucking for the destruction of the West

The Pope literally points to the same verses that I do to justify his doctrine, yet you come here to tell me that he is wrong, and I am wrong, and even damn Jesus and paul were wrong tho, because some medieval crusader decided to recreate christianity as a earthly cult of power in order to sack Constantinople!




Christians were never supposed to get power. The religion never worked like that. His kingdom is NOT of this world. That is why Paul didn't try to create a crusader state. Because the only stable, non self-contradicting position christianity can take is the one of a pacifist minority that is protected by the arms of someone with will to power.

"The meek will inherit the Earth" becomes a declaration of suicide when adopted by the strong


> the Sermon on the Mount is really just about taking the moral high ground

what a bizarre justification for ignoring everything written in the Gospel, insofar early christians actually did that shit, they refused to fight and died for their religion, like Jesus himself said

but Jesus stopped a few people from changing their money in the tribunes... oh... that contradicts everything else he ever did and said and it means that Paul and Peter and all the early christians got it all wrong


> Christianity conquered nearly the whole world until the nations of Europe became too prideful and started fighting against each other.

You do know that is a bizarre ahistorical claim right?

You seem to believe that Christianity is a religion with a program based around the "strong will inherit the earth" and "my EMPIRE is of this world"






I mean really, have you read the Gospel ONCE?

Please tell me, if Christianity grants people the magical ability to conquer other people

Where was that magical power when Islam conquered the Holy Lands and the Balkans?

Where was that magical power when the Roman Empires of the East and West were destroyed by their enemies?

By Europe "taking over the world", surely you mean the New Imperialism, the one that happened in the 1850s, decades after the Church had lost their political manifestation in Europe, one century after the Enlightenment changed the way Europeans saw the world, centuries after the Reformation had ended the power of the Catholic Church

The moment you are thinking about, the Christian-dominated Middle Ages, was a period of decadence, that saw Islam take the Holy Lands and the Balkans, while the mongols ravaged the East of Europe, that would only end with the paganizing Renaissance and the break up of the church power with the reformation





















Jesus' kingdom is not of this world. All that embracing Christianity will accomplish is making people give up on fighting for this world because if they are victims they get big rewards in Heaven

The only way to counter Islam is to embrace Life in THIS world, REALITY, existence, and WILL to power; not to shift the value of life away from this world

a forced meme with little Gospel justification applied onto the whole thing 500 years after fact, when it became evident that Jesus was not coming back no matter how many christians martyred themselves

the entirity of the Gospel is built around a small minority of oppressed, persecuted people that shall embrace their suffering because it will give them the key to Heaven... an oppressed minority that suddenly found themselves governing an entire empire and not suffering anymore





The problem is that the situation changed at all

Nothing of what Jesus said applies to a people with power on their hands, in every situation he describes the christians as a persecuted minority

The entirity of the Gospel is built around a small minority of oppressed, persecuted people that shall embrace their suffering because it will give them the key to Heaven... an oppressed minority that suddenly found themselves governing an entire empire and being the ones doing the persecuting

It is an apocalyptic cult that never got their apocalypse and went severily off-rails, a zombie that has been dead for 1 700 years and that for some strange reason people like you wanna keep alive even 2000 years later of the world not ending

> because they mostly apply to an individual man who should treat others decently

they are talking about christians as a group dude


"Someone else already defended that, go and read that... somewhere else... I win!!"




What Christians like the ones in /pol/ do to justify their demented religion is to pick random texts from the old testament to justify not to cuck themselves like the early christians did, perhaps because they don't actually believe in the Heaven bullshit and are just meming

The strange thing is that they are a minority within Christianity they claim to represent, with everyone from the Pope to the Anglican Churches to the Protestant Churches actively cucking for the destruction of the West

The Pope literally points to the same verses that I do to justify his doctrine, yet you come here to tell me that he is wrong, and I am wrong, and even damn Jesus and paul were wrong tho, because some medieval crusader-wannabe decided to recreate christianity as a earthly cult of power

Am I the one cherry picking??!

I guess that Peter and Paul were cherrypicking as well! That all the christians that died to the lions were cherrypicking as well! They were supposed to fight back and yell "DEUS VULT!"

Silly them!







>Had they fought, what would have gone differently?

They would have won because that is what God would have wanted, according to /pol/ christians Jesus was all about Deus Vult and destroying your enemies

Of course, in reality, they would have lost, that is the lesson Christians learned for jewish uprisings, so they decide to attack Romans in a completely different way: invert their moral paradigm, to call what was good for the human being (richness, power, assertiviness) evil, and call what was bad for them (poverty, weakness, meekness) good

Protip: God does not exist

ib4 "actually by poverty Jesus only meant poverty of spirit, I don't have to give my stuff to the poor,, and by meekness Jesus meant to kill your enemies but not kill them THAT much"




> Jesus denounced the kikes at every turn

You do know that it was Peter's idea to convert gentiles right?





The Pope and the Protestant Churches don't cuck for refugees because they somehow became corrupted by atheists

They cuck for a Israel that could cause WW-3 because they expect that this world will be destroyed and the blessings will come in the next world

They cuck for violent sandniggers because the meek will inherit the Earth, and those that love their enemies and lend everything to them will be blessed. They cuck for africans because the civilizational survival is meaningless for christians, as Saint Augustine pointed out in the City of God.

it is all about the other world m8


As Paul said, the world is the enemy of Christians, while right-wingers wanna WIN in this world, christians already "won" by forsaking the world in the name of the new one.

You can't be a real christian and then worry about this world when you already got a reward far larger and even eternal by carrying your cross in this life.


Literally all the followers of Jesus, and Jesus himself were kikes.

Among his followers there were many zealots, the most radical jews of them all, that wanted wars against Rome

But sure, he was "le anti-semite non-kike that kikes hated" right?

Now you are going to talk about how he disagreed with pharisees or whatever.

But why would the pharisees be discussing mosaic law with a non-jew?

never mind!

What exactly did he denounce the pharisees for that makes him not a kike? Have you actually read the Gospel?

Can you point to a single value that Jesus denounced that wasn't valid?

Because the denounciations of Jesus were idiotic, insane, even marxist

There he denounces the pharisees for wanting to punish a slut! (Jesus didnt like slut shaming, quite liberal if you ask me!)

There he denounces the rich pharisees and promises the earth to the meek and the poor! (... and marxist)

There he denounces the pharisees for wanting to live, instead of embracing death like him!

There he denounces them over a disagreement on how Mosaic Law is applied! (but Jesus was not a Jew I swear!!!)

You blindly may say "he disagreed with the kikes" as if that was something we needed to applaud!

Muslims are hated by Jews as well, but Jews are smart enough to use them as a tool. The same way they use the insane anti-morality of Christianity to corrupt the ancient world and give themselves a privileged financial spot!

But if Jews don't like the own poison they created, that means that we shall drink it, according to you!

wtf I guess I love ISIS now!




Your pic makes your post hilarius. Yeah, I guess that is why Hitler appointed outspoken anti-christians like Goebbels and Himmler and adopted heathen symbology

Oh yes! Christianity, the great religion of power that saved the Eastern Roman Empire... except... you know...the holy sites, the extremely important parts for that cult... and all of egypt, and all of Syria and Eastern Turkey...

But it lasted 1000 years as a rump state!! That truly means Christianity is the religion of earthly power!

The strong shall inherit the world, my kingdom is of this world, Jesus said!


I mean really, the crusaders failed in their campaign

Why do you worship failures?

Why is it divine power of Christianity that makes them unable to obtain the most basic political objective in the world, to own their own sacred sites!

As if it was not enough, as soon as christians do have the power,they give their holy lands to the Jews!


so convenient

why dont you go and explain to all the leaders of the churches that what they read in the Gospel was wrong, and that your retarded crusaders that lost Constantinople and Jerusalem are what Jesus was always about?







What is this "until they were too prideful and started fighting against"?

When were ever Spanish and the English not fighting? even during the early colonial period in the Americas during the 1500s, there was no moment when European powers were not at war


> the Sermon on the Mount is really just about taking the moral high ground

what a bizarre justification for ignoring everything written in the Gospel, insofar early christians actually did that shit, they refused to fight and died for their religion, like Jesus himself said

but Jesus stopped a few people from changing their money in the tribunes... oh... that contradicts everything else he ever did and said and it means that Paul and Peter and all the early christians got it all wrong


Let me guess. The word of god is "see all the stuff I said in the Gospel? The one instance where I interrupted people from being able to donate to the temple in the local currency means that I want you to do the opposite of all that stuff I said"





your quote does not exist in the bible m8

he stopped money CHANGERS because he didn't want people to contribute to the temple, because it was going to be destroyed just like everything else in this world (rendering living and fighting for survival pointless)

that you have to change changers to lenders really shows that not even Christians believe in the nihilistic anti-life garbage written in the Gospel so they have literally change words in their own damn text



>>131178117

> Military was infused with religion for one

the roman army? not really


>  They knew full well that pogroms were inevitable if they fought.

Exactly, they knew God wasn't gonna come from the skies to save them, so they decide to subvert the romans instead of fighting them, as the jewish revolts had failed

> Even Jesus flipped tables and chased people with whips.

see:
>>131177989

Jesus fllipping a few tables does not somehow contradict "love your enemies"

heck, how were those money changers even his enemies? all they wanted is to allow people from other parts of the empire to donate in the temple


> Christianity is an earthly religion of power!

No, it isn't, read the Gospel


> Jesus didn't want people to donate to the local temple, it means Christianity is a religion of earth power!! Ignore the rest of the Gospel please!

Do you have any actual proof?

> The Crusaders were Christians!

Fine, let's guess that it is an earthly religion of divine power then.

But why did they lose the holy lands and constantinople if Christianity is the divine will of an all omnipotent God?

> Duh! The Crusaders were not REAL Christians! Constantinopla was not REAL christian!



Jesus did establish when violence was not valid: it was so when it came to resisting evil





Early Christians seemed to believe in what you call "straw man"

I mean really, you call citing literally what Jesus said "strawmen"? what the fuck


Let me guess, what Jesus actually meant the opposite of everything he said


When Jesus stopped Peter from attacking the Romans and asked him to follow his example and carry his own cross instead, do you believe that Jesus actually meant the opposite?

That he actually wanted Peter to start a revolt and start killing Romans? That he wants his followers to be assertive and defeat their enemies military?

When Paul said that you should never revolt against your Government, Paul was talking the opposite as well? That people were supposed to fight against The Romans to create the Kingdom of Earth and Deus Vult?

It is you who has created a religion in which Jesus always means the opposite of what he said, and early Christians were wrong

yet you call me pointing that out, strawmanning somehow

Do you even know what a strawman is?



it is not an accident that all his advice referring people that wanna kill you is terrible advice



> calls disingenuous and unhonorable
> does not post the beginning of Matthew 7




Is that the only way your religion works for you?

By removing quotes from the rest of the chapter entirely?

Looks like you are aware that most of what Jesus is talking is not metaphores, but actual instructions, his metaphores being limited to his complementing what he already said.

It is a huge irony you don't even understand the implications of what you just posted yourself, specially given that you wanna declare a metaphor parts of the bible that don't have a metaphoric aspect at all, and that were followed in a literal way by his early followers, by cathars, the radical puritans, by Jonestown, and by everyone that took your garbage religion seriously


eastern rome remained christian and got cucked and by god, it got cucked hard, to this day their capital is still turk and muslimn

to believe that Christianity is about making empires strong is absurd

Why did Saint Augustine write that it was not a christian concern the existence or not of wordly kingdoms?

Why were Christians unable to save even their fucking holy land from the Muslims, if they are the religion of earthly power that you believe they are?

Why is the North Africa now muslim, if it was once christian and roman?

That they didn't manage to screw things completely over was an accident of history, not for lack of trying

and most importantly of all questions, why has Christianity become an enabler of the muslim invasion of Europe, if it is such religion of earthly power and "the strong will inherit the Earth" as you seem to believe?

why are all the christian mainstream churches pro-refugee, if christian doctrine says "hate your enemy, and do not lend to them all they want" instead of the opposite as you claim?

The strange thing is that "christians" like you are a minority within Christianity itself that they claim to represent, with everyone from the Pope to the Anglican Churches to the Protestant Churches to the Greek Orthodoxs actively cucking for the destruction of the West

The Pope literally points to the same verses that I do to justify his doctrine, yet you come here to tell me that he is wrong, and I am wrong, and even damn Jesus and paul were wrong tho, because some medieval crusader decided to recreate christianity as a earthly cult of power in order to sack Constantinople!

you even talk about spaniards, you do know this religion of power of yours didn't prevent them from being occupied by Islam for 700 years right?


>>102998708
> Under christianity, the Ottoman empire was stopped

You DO know that the Ottomans conquered Constantinople because CHRISTIAN CRUSADERS blew the fuck out if it right?

> Christianity is and has been an uniting force to keep Europe where it is

You do know that Ottomans managed to reach Vienna because Protestants and Catholics were too busy massacring each other across Europe right?

It would not be until 1914 WAY after the Enlightenment, way after the Frenc Revolution, that the turks would finally be expelled from most of the balkans
>>102998708
* they were in constant threat of being burned by Christians

>the royalty at the time couldn't care less about ancient greece heritage, but monks did

yes, that must be the reason why the olympic games were banned and so many temples were destroyed by christian mobs

Your belief that Christianity is a culturally conservative force is absurd



>>107504455

> He thinks obama and trump are christians

the level of delusion of christians in this thread is amazing

Trump, the guy that has married his whole family to Jews... is a christian according to them

top kek



> This has nothing to do with people who wish to destroy you.

huh? What is your evidence of that?

You seem to believe that Paul and Peter grabbed their swords and killed the romans that wanted to execute them, come on

They were well aware that their religion demanded them to be submissive to their enemies and finally die to them

Look, I know that you actually don't believe in the whole "infinite treasures in Heaven" thing, so you are trying to justify fighting for survival in this world where you can get actual treasures, but don't try to rewrite history please


> yes, Christianity didn't save the Western Roman Empire and it got cucked by visidodos, but the Eastern One survived, Christianity is a anti-cucking religion of Empire


eastern rome remained christian and got cucked and by god, it got cucked hard, to this day their capital is still turk and muslimn

to believe that Christianity is about making empires strong is absurd

Why did Saint Augustine write that it was not a christian concern the existence or not of wordly kingdoms?

Why were Christians unable to save even their fucking holy land from the Muslims, if they are the religion of earthly power that you believe they are?

Why is the North Africa now muslim, if it was once christian and roman?

That they didn't manage to screw things completely over was an accident of history, not for lack of trying

and most importantly of all questions, why has Christianity become an enabler of the muslim invasion of Europe, if it is such religion of earthly power and "the strong will inherit the Earth" as you seem to believe?

why are all the christian mainstream churches pro-refugee, if christian doctrine says "hate your enemy, and do not lend to them all they want" instead of the opposite as you claim?

The strange thing is that "christians" like you are a minority within Christianity itself that they claim to represent, with everyone from the Pope to the Anglican Churches to the Protestant Churches to the Greek Orthodoxs actively cucking for the destruction of the West

The Pope literally points to the same verses that I do to justify his doctrine, yet you come here to tell me that he is wrong, and I am wrong, and even damn Jesus and paul were wrong tho, because some medieval crusader decided to recreate christianity as a earthly cult of power in order to sack Constantinople!

you even talk about spaniards, you do know this religion of power of yours didn't prevent them from being occupied by Islam for 700 years right?




> There is a time for violence

Early Christians disagree




> Paul preached a message of peace that undermined the divine authority of an Emperor, and willfully paid the price.

Yes indeed he did, insofar Paul was a leftist, and what he was selling was a bizarre hippy cult. The Western Empire would collapse within 150 years of the conversion to Christianity, whole the Eastern One suffered a worse, even if slower end: Islamization, so much that their greatest city is now called Istanbul

> What was their appeal?

The appeal was the promise of a communist utopia



I can imagine Jesus saying "love your enemies" in your face and you replying "dude read the Gospel, you didn't mean that"



lol





your pic completely ignores the entire chapter to pick a random quote, as

You people may love to notice that Jesus made two sword references, but Jesus stopped his followers from actually using any sword to attack their enemies, and reprimanded them for misunderstanding

Indeed, the second sword reference was very explicit who the sword would be pointing at, protip: it wasn't to be used against your enemies, but your own damn family: "I do not come to bring peace, but to set a man against his own household"

Christianity is an inversion of reality, and the only way to claim otherwise is to actively ignore everything Jesus said except 3 or 4 quotes entirely removed from their follow-up verses or any context whatsoever.

You really believe that Paul was supposed to slaughter the Romans?? That all those christian martyrs got their own damn cult wrong?

ITT: Extremely deluded people that wanna follow the commands of a Jew that promised to make their families divide and even asked them to hate themselves and their own families (!!!!) so that they may perhaps-- have a slight chance of worshiping a Jewish War God for the rest of eternity





Again, what is your argument exactly?

> hey some christians, not the founders of the cult tho, didn't get themselves killed by their enemies and outright rejected the pacifism of their cult. That somehow means Christianity is not pacifist, Paul didn't ask you to obey your government, Jesus didn't stop his followers from defending themselves and asked Peter to carry his own crosss etc etc




> God does not want traitors.

dude, Christianity as a whole is about betrayal

You people may love to notice that Jesus made two sword references, but Jesus stopped his followers from actually using any sword to attack their enemies, and reprimanded them for misunderstanding

Indeed, the second sword reference was very explicit who the sword would be pointing at, protip: it wasn't to be used against your enemies, but your own damn family: "I do not come to bring peace, but to set a man against his own household" (anything else would contradict both "love your enemies and lend them anything they want" and "if someone does not his own family, your wife, children and yourself he can't be my follower")

Christianity is an inversion of reality, and the only way to claim otherwise is to actively ignore everything Jesus said except 3 or 4 quotes entirely removed from their follow-up verses or any context whatsoever.

You really believe that Paul was supposed to slaughter the Romans?? That all those christian martyrs got their own damn cult wrong?

ITT: Extremely deluded people that wanna follow the commands of a Jew that promised to make their families divide and even asked them to hate themselves and their own families (!!!!) so that they may perhaps-- have a slight chance of worshiping a Jewish War God for the rest of eternity

I mean really, what is even the point of this nonsense?

You just like the idea of sucking a jewish war god cock every second for eternity? is that it?

If not, what exactly attracts you to this insane cult, which Pope nowadays outright calls for the invasion of Europe!





I see... his followers got it wrong... heck, even Jesus got it wrong himself, when he stopped his followers from using swords to defend themselves, and ask them to carry their own crosses to follow his example instead!

also the whole "by turning your cheek you insulted the Rome" is passive-aggressive bullshit, and also pretty much made up, there are no sources of that time describing such thing


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>History is against you.
how? there were no religious requirements for joining the roman army

> The early Christians had a lot of bad blood between them and Jews

Not really. Paul was literally a pharisee, he said it himself, and he went to synagogues to convince people to join his project. Christianity spread among the synagogues of the mediterranean through the Empire

So much that he said:

"there is no jew or hellene, women or men, slave or master, under Jesus" to erode any suspicion between jews and hellenes

Jews would not break with Christians until later, when christians refused to join the jewish rebellion

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> Doesn't mean let them do bad things.
> This does not extend to enemies of God.

"Do not resist evil" is a quite explicit commandment. Jesus did indeed let his enemies get away with killing the son of God!

You are just making shit up that early christians didn't believe!


real Christianity meaning... ?

the actual practices of the early christians? or medieval larping?

Because Christians would not separate from the Jewish religion until much later, when the roman rebellions started

In fact, the main spreader of the cult, Paul, was a pharisee!




if only it was only about believing the Earth is too young!!

the main problem is that you believe that a Jewish War God will destroy the Earth to save the people that mentally talked to him in the correct way, and then bring them to an utopia where they will worship him every damn second of eternity





of course I will, if you can prove to me why your particular book of faith has all the true knowledge unlike, lets say, the Oddysey or Koran, and why I should argue against it, instead of against your actual debate points

can you do that?