mac: i like NBS but i'm just really tired of the ironic meme s
mac: also like
mac: jew and friends are flat-out mean to AG
mac: like, it's not banter, they're just tearing him down
Earth, Wind & Flyer: I've had words with Saargs about this
Earth, Wind & Flyer: He's very hands off
mac: jew and all the guys in that circlejerk discord
mac: like, kurn wasn't that bad and I don't remember ever having problems with woody
mac: but they're both about as obnoxious now
Earth, Wind & Flyer: It's actually really bad now
Earth, Wind & Flyer: like actually harmful to site bad
mac: you weren't there for it
mac: but i brought up some news about furi and kurn and jew were both immediately like that game was shit anyway
mac: and i got admittedly triggered because jew's reasons for disliking furi are "had a few bugs on one boss" and "the walking segments are lame because I'm utterly ADD about anything story-based'
mac: and i can't speak for him but I feel like kurn just follows whatever those guys say
mac: because he didn't used to be this goddamn annoying
mac: anyway, i snapped and called jew a memer and let a lot of shit lose, said he's driven people off
mac: but i'm bad at memory so I couldn't name particular incidents and i just got torn apart, basically
mac: i really hate those guys but i can't find actual wording for -why-
mac: oh, kurn did say
mac: 'lol who cares if the site dies though"
Earth, Wind & Flyer: staub actually pissed me off a month or so back and it really drove home the point
mac: staub wasn't that bad either
mac: and I can't help but think that
mac: jew is just utterly toxic
Earth, Wind & Flyer: staub got really really worse fairly recently
Earth, Wind & Flyer: within the last couple of months
mac: everybody in that group was okay and then they started hanging out together
mac: and they just got fucking intolerable
mac: jew has moments of chill but then all the rest of the time he's just the worst
mac: cumwhale is constantly hitting me with trevor pickle
mac: everyone has become noticeably less pleasant except for you and saargs
mac: it worked well for awhile honestly
mac: then that group of dudes just went full ham
Earth, Wind & Flyer: I have always believed that stream sites are like fucking daycare and need constant attention
mac: were you on FV
mac: TFV
Earth, Wind & Flyer: yeah before Dreyen went full on retard and kicked me out
mac: TFV did get very constant care and we went through management changes constantly
mac: NBS was lax and it, to be fair
mac: lasted longer
Earth, Wind & Flyer: Cloudat dreyen w/e
mac: honestly even woody who i thought was cool and one of our better streamers
mac: has been more of an ironic memer lately
mac: i don't know what happened
mac: am i crazy
Earth, Wind & Flyer: no you're not
Earth, Wind & Flyer: The other problem with TFV is that management was VERY inconsistent
Earth, Wind & Flyer: like Cloudat was okay and then lost it
mac: like, i'll remember something that happened on TFV
mac: and then everyone will be like
mac: that never happened
Earth, Wind & Flyer: Then curly took over but Curly was not suited for taking over something like that
Earth, Wind & Flyer: Tallgarden was a thing for a while and barely did anything
Earth, Wind & Flyer: like all I want to do is make sure the twitch is kept okay
Earth, Wind & Flyer: and Staub gave me shit for it like wow all I wanna do is update the stream when it changes and implement moobot
Earth, Wind & Flyer: "lmao site's dead"