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AncientOokamiTenshi: Alright here I am I don't mind if you wish to have luna and kai here if you wish or if you prefer a private meeting that's fine as well. I'm not asking any of mine to be presant as this should be just me anyway.
DeliciouslyFallen: Public is fine.
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Lunnala: o.o oops maybe I should leave
DeliciouslyFallenDeliciouslyFallen DeliciouslyFallen : Nope you are fine.
Lunnala: uum ok, i'll go lay with Draco
Lunnala: -walks up to their room as she cuddles with her mate-
AncientOokamiTenshi: what shall we clear the table of then fallen? what do I need to do in order to make amends to your feelings of betrayal even though as I said none was the intent nor desire of.
DeliciouslyFallen: Admit what you did was wrong.
AncientOokamiTenshi: what if I may request clarification was it that was done in which was wrong? by your opinion?
DeliciouslyFallen: Let Hermes talk to me like he did, belittled me by calling me a "Sopiled Princess" The way you where speaking to me like my view did not matter, making that meeting turned on me to get me to leave, thinking it is ok to use my past.
DeliciouslyFallen: Did not inform me of my change in roll.
DeliciouslyFallen: Then today about my past and my "blood"
DeliciouslyFallen: I'll give you time to answer I need to put dinner on
DeliciouslyFallen: On there is more
DeliciouslyFallen: Then booting and blocking me, proof you where just using me for my past as a leader
DeliciouslyFallen: Then today
DeliciouslyFallen: Instead of talking to me you went throw Luna
DeliciouslyFallen: Then insulted me and my pack cus we do not follow your understanding of things
DeliciouslyFallen: Cus in your eyes, Delta isnt a role right?
DeliciouslyFallen: Oh and the fact you think I am going to come after you.
DeliciouslyFallen: Seems to be about it
AncientOokamiTenshi: I admit that your role as elder was one I should have made sure was clear of where you stood among the clan. For that much I do apologise for I should have explained that if you were to be an elder to the clan you could not hold a pack of your own. I did however grant you the opprotunity to make one because i felt it would be good for you to gain new friendships and thusly be able to expand your own, because as it is an elder can infact break away from the clan to run their own at any given point should they wish it as a clan however not a pack, because a pack's highest rank is only an alpha title. I admit hermes should have been more reluctant to speak so carelessly to you but that is a choice he made on his own accord and thus will have to apologise for himself if he feels the need to, Your past as a leader was the main reason you were even able to skip the prior titles which most if not all are required to climb regardless of their own prior knolege of leadership so that was more a gift in your honor than not, I admit that my choice of refering to you as a spoiled princess was indeed harsh but never the less with how the situation was and how you were acting the term was made becasue it was the truth by view. Of which I apologise that I hurt your feelings, The insult of your pack based upon my understanding of things was because given your place as an elder as I said earlier there is no elder title among common packs through origin the elder title comes when a pack becomes a clan, so if my knolege of wolven society is not to your liking then I apologise, my knolege is and always has been based on the understanding of real wolf packs and how they operated. I may be holding to old styles myself but to my knolege a pack consisted of one to two alphas, a beta, and that was it the rest where just members of the pack.
DeliciouslyFallen: I did my reserch on parks before making my ranks, I took into condiration RP groups out of IMVU and real life understanding of wolf packs.
DeliciouslyFallen: I'm not stupid and just throw everything out there for the sake of it.
AncientOokamiTenshi: regardless of my views on it fallen your group is yours to create as you see fit I admit that is a freedom I should have kept in mind. So I apologise for it, fact is that I didn't ask what kind of pack you were looking to create so that was upon my fault for not looking into it on a deeper level but given all the issues that took place so quickly I didnt even get time to ask. all the same though this pointless bickering between us won't change how you feel and as I've made many attempts to apologise before even I can't force you to believe my words when you never believed them to begin with or gave them chance to show how they were able to take action. I didn't get time to help you better understand because you were too focused on using my authority to control others.
DeliciouslyFallen: I don't see where we are bickering. I am explaining to you that I went and looked up alot of things before I made this pack.
DeliciouslyFallen: That's another thing, you assume my tone on matters
AncientOokamiTenshi: yes I see that, the referance to bickering was between us this whole time prior however. All the same I'm glad you did your research but it dosn't nessisarily mean I'll myself take that research as my own, so in a way your pack is unlike any other I've come to meet before because no other pack I've come across ever had a delta as a title. But if this one does then that's perfectly fine.
DeliciouslyFallen: As for Hermas, there is no point in you asking him to give me an applogy cus lets face it, he thinks I'm the scum of the earth, as for your apologies, thank you for doing so. If you had done this instead of using luna alot would not have happened.
AncientOokamiTenshiAncientOokamiTenshi WhisperAdd Friend: I do, because as an analyst I typically react upon the tone of others to understand their emotions at the time my daughters will all tell you I'm guilty for assuming much but they will also say most of my assumptions are not wrong in knowing what one is feeling or reacting to.
DeliciouslyFallen: You assumed alot with me
DeliciouslyFallen: Like how you thought this was all about me wanting you
DeliciouslyFallen: As I told you, once the second wife walked into my room, I stoped having any feeling towards you
AncientOokamiTenshi: Well as I explained in my culture we don't just rush up to the leader as though we are some self entitled pompus ass though many would say I am.
DeliciouslyFallen: We are not sitting here talking about lycans
DeliciouslyFallen: and wolfs
DeliciouslyFallen: we are talking about real people
DeliciouslyFallen: real feeling
DeliciouslyFallen: Not a RPC
AncientOokamiTenshiAncientOokamiTenshi WhisperAdd Friend: and I understand that fallen that's why I'm here trying to get to even ground between us
AncientOokamiTenshi: if I didn't take this seriously as a rl individual I would've sooner said fuck you go fuck yourself as thor would have and has to many before.
DeliciouslyFallen: Well simple, don't ask about this pack. You and I are not friends, stop telling people you think I am going to come after your pack
AncientOokamiTenshi: but I am not my father
DeliciouslyFallen: And we will be fine.
AncientOokamiTenshi: that's agreed upon as I told you and luna I have no care or interest in your packs affairs I merely wanted to make sure my information was solid in being told that luna chose to remain with both packs and to thus know that it was your pack not someone elses.
AncientOokamiTenshi: that is all the information I asked or cared to ask about
DeliciouslyFallen: Why would it care if it was not my pack
DeliciouslyFallenDeliciouslyFallen : I will be back
AncientOokamiTenshiAncientOokamiTenshi WhisperAdd Friend: because if it was not your pack I would want to make sure that luna herself was safe, there are still packs out there that abuse the wolven ways there are some which lead people in only to abandon them the next day.
AncientOokamiTenshi: and given that luna has made herself a rather decent indivdiual to befriend I did not wish to see her be put through a pointless endevor.
AncientOokamiTenshi: truth be told there are most packs that even still exist that are much like sylva and hermes they don't have a structure to them just yet or care to at all. Most don't have a role to play they just call themselves a pack because the creator or most of the members admire and love wolves. Some are just hook up spots bent on attracting peoples animal carnile desires and most are dead packs who just hold the last remaining member or two or just the alpha(s) in charge so if anything it was my consern of luna to insure that she was not going to have her time wasted by the unexperienced or careless. which once she confermed that it was yours I gave congradulations and gratitutde all the same that you had done as I expected and not merely gave up as you would've led most to believe you had fallen.
AncientOokamiTenshi: I don't expect to be friends and I don't expect to be allies your path is your own so long as we are on level ground with one another that is all I saught out today. I won't inqire about your pack or you, and I won't seek to know anything more of your endevors. If sylva and hermes make any kind of intrustion to this it is of their own choice and not by request or intention of the clan and I'll be sure to tell them this all the same as it stands we won't seek you and we won't interfear you are your own and we are our own nothing more nothing less and let that be the end of it between us You lead your people I'll lead mine. Agreed?
DeliciouslyFallen: back
DeliciouslyFallen: I am reading up
DeliciouslyFallen: I am fine with that
DeliciouslyFallen: As for your daughter and son in law they are blocked and not welcome here.
AncientOokamiTenshi: And even after all this should you still wonder why your father trusted me as much as he did well, then you'll never truly know. I mean that not as an insult but because I knew your father to the core he was a strong man who took no shit it's true but he also stood for what he believed in and he always desired if he could to bring about a peaceful resolution to any conflict if possible. I may not have known bear as long as most of his kin did but he and I understood one another because we shared the same methods of leadership in the values we set and the dreams we held to accomplish with the families we had. I hope you can understand that for what it is to the core, your father was a brother in arms and a respected leader which is more than what most can say they've come to find among me and my kind. For that much I hope you can see that I am honoring your father all the same and giving hopes that you too will fullfill the same greatness as he did if not more.
DeliciouslyFallen: Tenshi
AncientOokamiTenshi: that's fine and understandable I'm sure they wish no further conflict either.
DeliciouslyFallen: What you loved about myfather
DeliciouslyFallen: You removed me as an elder for.
DeliciouslyFallen: Standing up for what I believe in
AncientOokamiTenshi: I never actually gave the order for removing you as an elder though fallen merely stated I perhaps should not have given you the title so quickly
DeliciouslyFallen: We will not go into that cus we have different views on the matter
AncientOokamiTenshiAncientOokamiTenshi WhisperAdd Friend: well as far as I'm conserned since I gave the title it is still legitimate being that I never revoked it officially and no council came to agree to it being revoked even in our society the title still stands it may not be of our clan but it still is there.
AncientOokamiTenshi: what you choose to make of that title is up to you.
DeliciouslyFallen: I don't want your title
DeliciouslyFallen: I have my own and I'm fine with it.
AncientOokamiTenshiAncientOokamiTenshi WhisperAdd Friend: and that's fine as well, all the same among our kind it stands
DeliciouslyFallen: I don't want it to stand at all.
DeliciouslyFallen: I want no ties
AncientOokamiTenshi: there dosn't have to be any to speak of but once it's given fallen it remains for life you may not accept it you may not agree with it that is your own choice but my people hold to their choices and take responsibility for the choices they make all the same I gave the title and I did not take it back. so don't even think of it existing though it will always exist.
DeliciouslyFallen: You should take it bake Tenshi.
AncientOokamiTenshi: perhaps I should.... but I don't want to, Perhaps I feel it was what you needed to get to where you are today though you may not see it or think it did I do. it's a title given to a promising leader and you've already shown capable of being so.
DeliciouslyFallen: Then maybe respect my wishes and take it back, I have no use for it.
AncientOokamiTenshi: you are your own person fallen if you don't want it then don't worry about it, if you think it's something that was going to keep us somehow bonded or entangeld to be near or involved with one another or our groups then that assumption was wrong. when I cut my ties with people it is for eturnity until they choose to come back or not whichever the choice may be I don't frankly give a damn. If they return I greet them as though no wrong was done. If they don't they merely become another fragment of the past left to memory
DeliciouslyFallen: -She leans on her hand- With all due respect, I don't wish to be bonded or entangeled with you, all it does is lead to bad things.
AncientOokamiTenshi: and as I said fallen if you wish to cut ties that's fine just know there's a reason I don't come back.
AncientOokamiTenshi: I didn't before the last fight either did I?
DeliciouslyFallen: I have found out that life is to short to wait for things that never come, if it is love or just friendship. We are a blip on screen
DeliciouslyFallen: But seeing how hard you ar fighting
AncientOokamiTenshi: happiness is but a blip on the screen fallen that's why only the moments count the most
DeliciouslyFallen: I will let you keep the title on me, like you said it gives you a reason to keep tabs on me. Happiness is for fools.
AncientOokamiTenshi: lol then let me be a fool
DeliciouslyFallen: There are different types of Happiness on IMVU. I'm happy on my own only having to worry about me and this pack
AncientOokamiTenshi: because I'd rather be happy as a fool than be damned by ever going lonelyness
DeliciouslyFallen: You should try lonelyness it can be fun at times
AncientOokamiTenshi: I've walked that path before fallen and it made me far worse than what I am today
DeliciouslyFallen: Guess we will have to see then
DeliciouslyFallen: So far, I'm the best ive ever been, even when dad was around.
AncientOokamiTenshi: I'm glad to hear it, and I'm sure you'll be even better. You know your path all you have to do is forge it and make it a memory worth remembering.
DeliciouslyFallen: Memories like life is fleeting and don't last forever
DeliciouslyFallen: I don't remember the last thing I said to my friend before I found out he killed himself
DeliciouslyFallen: I don't remeber what my Pa smalled like
DeliciouslyFallen: Memories are just things we pick to hold onto and other just fade
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DeliciouslyFallen: Anyway if there is nothing else
AncientOokamiTenshi: a sad fact indeed but ultimately much like who we truly are we only hide it as long as we make it a point not to remember it.
AncientOokamiTenshi: adew fallen, may our paths never come to cross again. Your life is to your design and mine only brings pain and suffering so live your life free from my curse live for your people and never let anyone bring you down.
DeliciouslyFallen: Don't blame yourself
DeliciouslyFallen: I have you to thank
DeliciouslyFallen: I would rather be alone then wait for something that never comes.
AncientOokamiTenshi: I wish one day it would for you fallen I truly do. But it is not with me and not me who belongs with you.
DeliciouslyFallen: No one does
DeliciouslyFallen: I'm not like you
DeliciouslyFallen: Or my father
DeliciouslyFallen: Taking more lovers then one
DeliciouslyFallen: I'm happy on my own
DeliciouslyFallen: Less drama
AncientOokamiTenshi: our relationship as it was was a happy moment atleast that's what I care to remember it as.
AncientOokamiTenshi: you want to know why your father and I took more than one?
DeliciouslyFallen: I really don't.
DeliciouslyFallen: As for whatever we where
DeliciouslyFallen: It is a blip in the past
DeliciouslyFallen: You might as well forget it and leave it there.
AncientOokamiTenshi: it wasn't because we were men who desired it, as most would expect fallen. It's because we cared too much for too many and though we could never give ourselves completely we yearned to give even a fraction of happiness to those who desired it most inspite of the danger, inspite of the drama, and all the hardships that came with the breaking of hearts. We did it because we cared more than we ever should have.
DeliciouslyFallen: Difference in Dad and you.
DeliciouslyFallen: He never lead me on
AncientOokamiTenshi: those who understood that respected and apprecaited it much like how adene does now she knows she'll never have me the way she desires me but she loves me all the same because despite the impossibility I'm sacraficing my time, emotion, and efforts to give just a moment of happiness to her.
AncientOokamiTenshi: if you think I lead you on fallen you don't know me at all.
DeliciouslyFallen: I'm not going into this again
DeliciouslyFallen: Cus you don't remember something
AncientOokamiTenshi: that's on you to deny what was real and what wasn't, I'm not going into anything My caring for you was real, My desire of your happiness was real but my ability to be with you was impossible
AncientOokamiTenshi: that's all there was to it fallen if you think I lead you on and not once did I mean what I said about how I cared for you then live with that believe if it makes the pain less but I have and still admit my intentions were pure even if you don't believe it yourself
DeliciouslyFallen: You Really don't remember
DeliciouslyFallen: It's fine.
DeliciouslyFallen: I know what was said that is what matters.
AncientOokamiTenshi: perhaps I simply don't wish to remember it because it's less painful for me.
DeliciouslyFallen: Maybe
DeliciouslyFallen: But that is up to you
AncientOokamiTenshi: excately
DeliciouslyFallen: Painless or not
DeliciouslyFallen: I know the truth
DeliciouslyFallen: I'm use to it by now
DeliciouslyFallen: Hell my ex pulled me to PC thinking I was not see what he was doing
AncientOokamiTenshi: I'm not caring to convence you any further fallen you believe what you want I know my feelings and what they meant I've accepted that those feelings where normal of me expected of me and also impossible to give completely as you wanted them to be it's the burden I suffer because I'm not an angel anymore fallen I clipped those wings for a love lost long ago.
DeliciouslyFallen: Don't sit there and play that
DeliciouslyFallen: You have two wives
DeliciouslyFallen: One is real
AncientOokamiTenshi: yes and both of them know
DeliciouslyFallen: Like come on Tenshi.
AncientOokamiTenshi: both of them have seen how I am and how I can be, they've seen how females come to desire me I nearly lost my wife irl because of it so yes the danger is very real but fact is even with my wife irl I'm damned never to be complete I'm a dead soul from a long history fallen this isn't just new page in life it's not as though with each new desire I gained some level of peace from my past
DeliciouslyFallen: If you say so.
AncientOokamiTenshi: I'm ever haunted by it every ex I've held loved and lost remains a memory stuck in my mind fallen.
DeliciouslyFallen: Who isnt
AncientOokamiTenshi: I could name each and every one of them to prove it
DeliciouslyFallen: I have never forgotten my real exs
AncientOokamiTenshi: I could tell each and every rise to fall of their relationships and how I nearly killed another for one of them, how I literally offered up my humanity or soul to anubis childish as it sounds to rid me the pain of loosing the first when she merely moved away.
DeliciouslyFallen: I don't see the point in all of this tenshi
DeliciouslyFallen: You can't love
DeliciouslyFallen: I get it
AncientOokamiTenshi: so if you think your the only one here fallen who has been stricken down by the pain of suffering in lonleiness you best walk right out that door because I've perhaps not suffered in number but the feelings I've suffered that have literally aultered my very mind to the point of phycopathich genicide are very very real.
AncientOokamiTenshi: ohh it's not that I cant love fallen
DeliciouslyFallen: -She leans on her hand-
AncientOokamiTenshi: it's that I love too much but no love is good enough to satisfy
AncientOokamiTenshi: no love fills what is missing
AncientOokamiTenshi: takes away the memories of the past and inspires me to be better than I was
AncientOokamiTenshi: or that I am
AncientOokamiTenshi: my wife I hold irl now I am indeed content with. I care about her greatly enough to end it all but I'm not head over heels as I should be, I'm not giving up everything of my time, my efforts, my emotions as I should be. and I can't express just how frusterating it is to know I once was so much the opposite at one time before I myself had my heart broken far too many times to be repaired
AncientOokamiTenshi: so you may say we are diffrent fallen and that I don't know you at all.
AncientOokamiTenshi: but I would beg to differ
DeliciouslyFallen: You really don't
DeliciouslyFallen: You only know what I tell you
DeliciouslyFallen: and for all you know, I'm tell you lies or even playing you a fool.
AncientOokamiTenshi: I would say I know to an extent of our simularities, and you may be right you may be playing me for a fool but if you are you wouldn't be so passionate about how strongly you felt if you were. if that assumption is wrong then I don't really care that it is it's what I believe
DeliciouslyFallen: That's the thing about IMVU
DeliciouslyFallen: We all put on a show
AncientOokamiTenshi: then what's your show fallen?
AncientOokamiTenshi: are you real or are you just another character to a dead end novel that ends once it has no more pages to write?
DeliciouslyFallen: Now if I told you, what would be the fun in that
DeliciouslyFallen: Only people who know me are the ones who talk to me out of IMVU
DeliciouslyFallen: and not just for a clan
AncientOokamiTenshi: it may not be fun but then our fun has come to an end fallen you talk of not liking to be "played" by others well the feeling is very much mutual.
DeliciouslyFallen: If you ever got to know me
DeliciouslyFallen: Out of this stupid game
DeliciouslyFallen: You would know me
DeliciouslyFallen: you know a face in a game
DeliciouslyFallen: But instead
AncientOokamiTenshi: cause I'm not writting this as a book, I'm being down to the nit serious as myself nothing else. If you can't then this was all wasted effort.
DeliciouslyFallen: I'm trying to tell you that when you where on my server
DeliciouslyFallen: you where getting to know me
DeliciouslyFallen: out side of the clan crap
DeliciouslyFallen: but instead of trying to stick around you left
AncientOokamiTenshi: if you thought all that happened was part of some premade script you didn't pay attention when i said I don't RP
DeliciouslyFallenDeliciouslyFallen : Like everyone does.
DeliciouslyFallenDeliciouslyFallen : You don't get it do you
DeliciouslyFallen: Anyway I'm getting tied
DeliciouslyFallen: Its been one of them days
AncientOokamiTenshi: I do the only diffrence is I don't need another area to be real about myself to another person cause I am right here right now the clan isn't just some made up RP it's the work of 10+ years of networking and my own efforts of creating a group of individuals who are likeminded who hold to traditional values that the world has lost, forgotten or become careless to.
AncientOokamiTenshi: the laws arn't just some petty made up grouping of expectations they are what are made to bring out a respectful, responsible, and honorable individual
AncientOokamiTenshi: the only thing that is fake about the clan is the godmodding
AncientOokamiTenshi: cause I'm not a god irl I'm not indestructable
AncientOokamiTenshi: so it's not my responsibility to find out who you are fallen, thats up to you if you want me to find out. If I'm just another pointless end however there's no real need to.
DeliciouslyFallen: Did I say it was?
DeliciouslyFallen: I know who I am
AncientOokamiTenshi: nope that's why I'm leaving it to you to decide
DeliciouslyFallen: You are now just rambling
DeliciouslyFallen: You are not my father
DeliciouslyFallen: So stop trying to be him
DeliciouslyFallen: Cus you will never be him
AncientOokamiTenshi: nor do I care to be fallen
DeliciouslyFallen: So good night as I said I am tied
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DeliciouslyFallen: And I really can't be bothered reading 80% of what you said at this point
DragonSin: sup
DeliciouslyFallen: Welcome take your time loading.
AncientOokamiTenshi: your choice fallen until then night.
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DragonSin: i can normally type right away just the loading is a little odd
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DeliciouslyFallen: It's fine
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