ITT: Flamy tries to negotiate with a very angery person

[9:10 PM] Nekomata-tan: as far as DP goes I don't feel welcome in general and I hate the atmosphere that is chat constantly interspersed with shitposting and unfunny memes
[9:10 PM] Nekomata-tan: which I have complained about a lot
[9:10 PM] Flamy: Why don't you feel welcome?
[9:10 PM] Flamy: Is it just... a feeling?
[9:10 PM] Nekomata-tan: yeah
[9:12 PM] Flamy: As a community gets larger, more conversational channels will be used, or more channels will be warranted for discussion of topics that people might not want to talk about or see. Eventually, it might not completely BE for the original intended purpose that it was made for.
[9:13 PM] Flamy: It's not entirely a bad thing. It just means that there won't be people who joined specifically to do what the server was originally for.
[9:14 PM] Flamy: And, yes, sometimes, you WON'T always see topics you like being discussed. I have that same problem sometimes- Some things just don't interest me.
[9:15 PM] Flamy: If you intended for DP to not be heavily policed, then that 's the result.
[9:15 PM] Flamy: If you did want for DP to be policed, to "stifle the creative expressiveness of the people", then do so.
[9:15 PM] Flamy: You have authority.
[9:16 PM] Flamy: You have people around you to help enforce it.
[9:16 PM] Flamy: You can't do it, if you just run away.
[9:18 PM] Nekomata-tan: policing the chat is what made DP shit in the first place
[9:19 PM] Flamy: Okay, and you're complaining about something that wouldn't happen if DP's chat was policed.(edited)
[9:19 PM] Flamy: I see a disconnect here.
[9:21 PM] Nekomata-tan: nah it ended up just discouraging the atmosphere I liked and gave way to obsessive shitposting constantly
[9:21 PM] Flamy: So what about the /mes that people did?
[9:22 PM] Nekomata-tan: to be honest a lot of my problem is actually just grim because I don't like him or his demeanor or his obnoxious, constant shitposting
[9:22 PM] Flamy: Yeah, he is a bit of a handful. Right smug snake there, that he is.
[9:23 PM] Flamy: But like, don't /mes also discourage the atmosphere you like?
[9:23 PM] Nekomata-tan: no i liked /me atmosphere
[9:23 PM] Flamy: ...For that matter, what IS this atmosphere you speak of?
[9:24 PM] Nekomata-tan: i don't like how it was basically all moved to a pointless /me channel
[9:24 PM] Nekomata-tan: ruins the point
[9:24 PM] Flamy: I don't think that was ever the point of it, really.
[9:24 PM] Flamy: Honestly? It kinda bothers me, when people like Lumindia or Ryuu start doing it so much
[9:24 PM] Nekomata-tan: I didn't mind it
[9:25 PM] Flamy: Really? It rubbed quite wrong on me, because they just did that for quite a fair bit of time, and there was no conversation being made
[9:25 PM] Flamy: Just people doing a fuckton of PDAs.
[9:26 PM] Nekomata-tan: I think it kept people happy and that's fine enough for me
[9:26 PM] Flamy: You realize that you could have kicked Grim at any point, and I don't think half the active community would give a rat's ass?
[9:27 PM] Flamy: Same with Ririn, since you seemed to have not been in good relations with them, either.(edited)
[9:27 PM] Nekomata-tan: the half that does care would have lynched me for it
[9:27 PM] Nekomata-tan: because Grim is AHM's golden boy
[9:27 PM] Flamy: Really? I never got that from their interactions.
[9:27 PM] Nekomata-tan: and fairy would have my ass for doing things against the grain
[9:28 PM] Nekomata-tan: and grim would have an easy time just coming back anyway
[9:28 PM] Flamy: By all technicalities, you could argue that he was violating several rules.
[9:28 PM] Nekomata-tan: he's the golden boy so it doesn't matter
[9:29 PM] Nekomata-tan: i think there was a plan at some point to make him a mod so that I couldn't "selectively bias punishments against him"
[9:29 PM] Flamy: Not following each channel's intended purpose (posting memes), being evasive of the rules, minimodding (calling out /mes), Common Sense Rule, causing drama(edited)
[9:29 PM] Nekomata-tan: literally not for his merit, just for his protection
[9:29 PM] Flamy: That does seem... questionable, yes.
[9:29 PM] Nekomata-tan: remember the staff on DP are pushovers
[9:30 PM] Nekomata-tan: they won't do anything until real drama starts and since grim is the golden boy he usually gets off scot free or just gets what he wants
[9:31 PM] Flamy: So PUSH them, goddammit! Tell them that they need to set a damn precedent, or something like that.
[9:31 PM] Nekomata-tan: ririn I have been grated by because ririn hangs out with the wrong crowd but there's nothing I can do about it
[9:31 PM] Nekomata-tan: she is friends with all the people I hate
[9:31 PM] Flamy: Tell them that if he's let off, people will just follow his example, and create exactly the kind of atmosphere that doesn't let people be happy.
[9:32 PM] Nekomata-tan: it's too late to do anything about grim, he has about as close to immunity as a member can get
[9:32 PM] Flamy: Oh really? How so, because you ran away when confronted?
[9:32 PM] Flamy: I remember Ryuunotaki doing something just like that.
[9:32 PM] Nekomata-tan: no I complained about grim all the fucking time in staff's channels
[9:32 PM] Flamy: And you had no support.
[9:32 PM] Nekomata-tan: there was nothing I could do
[9:33 PM] Flamy: Not even FFoA?
[9:33 PM] Flamy: Damn.
[9:33 PM] Nekomata-tan: someone would just find an argument to support grim
[9:33 PM] Nekomata-tan: "nobody else is complaining" is the usual one
[9:33 PM] Nekomata-tan: "well I guess the channel is just as what people want"
[9:34 PM] Nekomata-tan: "no the intended purpose was to allow shitposting"
[9:34 PM] Nekomata-tan: "you haven't been consistent about this" (a differen excuse was later used when I started being consistnet)
[9:35 PM] Flamy: What was the excuse then?
[9:35 PM] Nekomata-tan: don't remember
[9:35 PM] Flamy: I see.
[9:35 PM] Nekomata-tan: but probably one of the above