<Shroom> just as a response to your "you attempted to make the FoA into what you wanted it to be, not what everyone else wanted it to be" ... I can only say that what everyone else wants it to be is plaaaaain bad
<Karyete> I'm going to just say it
You think your opinion is facts.
<Shroom> it's my education
the education that you shouldn't shitpost, or at least not excessively and unsavorily
and especially NOT hunting another user
<Karyete> The FoA is a place where people just be silly. That's it. It's a totally optional place that provides no harm.
And you saying that you had good intentions and was doing what everyone wanted...is wrong.
You're the only person who has a problem with it.
<Shroom> Never ever said "I was doing what everyone wanted", that was the EXACT core of the problem
<Karyete> "What I did there was a sole attempt to enforce standards for everybody's benefit"
"everybody's benefit"
<Shroom> yes, it would have been everybody's benefit even if they thought of the opposite
<Karyete> It wasn't for everyone's benefit, it was for yours
People are fine with the FoA.
<Shroom> because so many people here are dumb?
<Karyete> Ohoho, you didn't just say that
<Shroom> or if they're not dumb, they're at least a little ignorant to that?
Yeah, that's crudely put
excuse me
<Karyete> I'll let that slide.
<Shroom> but this subject really triggers me since it was the initial of all the horror that followed
<Karyete> But you need to realise that the easiest option for everybody is that the FoA remains and you just ignore it.
<Shroom> it's done and dusted anyway, but what I did should not have been considered "backseat moderating"
I'm mainly responding to Ven's "attempting to force changes is ..."
<Karyete> The key word there is force.
To try and force a change, despite not being staff, is backseat moderating, because you're trying to do the staff's job
And when I say you're I mean in general, not specifically you
<Shroom> it's maybe showing that I should be staff again indeed? Isn't that the better conclusion?
<Karyete> No.
Sorry, Shroom, but that didn't work. And all that means is that you're not willing to accept other people's opinions.
<Shroom> I'm willing to accept other opinions but not poor mannerisms
<Karyete> To be honest Shroom, the vast majority of members (not just staff) believe that you're very stubborn and have relatively poor manners yourself
Because rather than accepting other people's opinions and ideas, you cause arguments to get your way.
At that point, do you not think you might be in the wrong? Just a tad?
<Shroom> I'm just saying that by OJ, Raz and FF all demoting, and Venexis making his announcement, I was indeed proven right with a couple of things
<Karyete> And what things might they be?
Because all of them chose to be demoted simply because they thought you weren't worth the trouble.
<Shroom> that it was these people who have made the community a hell with their attitudes. That they were the ones who had detrimental conduct. And if they demoted only because of me then that's both condescending and coward.
I don't want to lose any further words on this before it targets me even more. I've said all that should change in the post and the usual "haters" (e.g. OJ, FF) keep failing to understand the message.
With Ven and Yuri I can perfectly communicate about critical subjects. With FF and OJ, they immediately jump on my throat, become aggressive, stir drama.
<Karyete> That is your opinion. They were all very much accepted members of the community before you even joined. And now you come along and claim they're cowards, you call them 'haters'. Do you know why they jump at your throats? Because you're causing so much trouble and aggravation.
But no, you state it like it's a fact. And you refuse to believe that you may just be wrong.
You don't get it. You don't understand that the reason why people jump at your throat, and why they demote themselves to get away from the trouble they cause, is because despite everything you still post shit like this: http://runouw.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=51022&p=401316#p401316
<Shroom> you call this shit
<Karyete> You are in absolutely no position to make claims like this
You know how close you were to being permabanned? Nearly all the staff wanted it. I was one of the few who said "no, give him another chance, he might have changed".
Even right now, you're on two-dimensional ice
You're lucky you're still not permabanned. And you still come back, and flaunt around your opinion as if we should all just bow to you and agree.
<Shroom> I'm not asking you to bow. I ask you to listen and understand
<Karyete> Then why won't you do the same, Shroom? You go around and accuse us of being ignorant, and in the ultimate irony, you failed to realise you never, ever listen and understand yourself.
<Shroom> Apparently I can really tell that e.g. OJ's behaviour is ignorant, I try to keep telling him stuff factually and he keeps twisting words and acting hypocritically
that's just something you should think about, rather than thinking his behaviour would be fine
<Karyete> And here we go. You dodge it by trying to once again pick on staff or ex-staff
We're not talking about OJ. We're talking about you.
<Shroom> Have you ever thought about that my conduct and my intellect might actually be too good for this community?
<Karyete> Ahaha.
You think you're too good for this community?
<Shroom> Isn't my language and my understanding of rules already signs of this?
<Karyete> You got a three month ban. You've got bugger-all understanding of the rules.
But let's just head back to that last bit, shall we? Because I love that bit.
"Have you ever thought about that my conduct and my intellect might actually be too good for this community?"
Got nothing to say? Because I'm pretty interested in hearing a detailed explanation.(edited)
<Shroom> Too exhausted.
<Karyete> I'm sure you are.
<Shroom> Critique towards my person is okay. But using critique and strawmanning accusations repeatedly to detract attention from other people's bad behaviour is not okay. That's what's happening over and over.
<Karyete> Nope.
Exact opposite.
You're constantly focusing on other people's attitudes without attempting to fix your own.