Kingdom Hearts Wiki Roundtable - April 3, 2015

Apr 9th, 2015
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  1. [13:44] <FifteenthMember> Should we start?
  2. [13:45] <+Neumannz> i guess we can?
  3. [13:46] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Sure, if you guys want to.
  4. [13:47] <FifteenthMember> yeah, I don't think anyone else is coming...
  5. [13:47] <FifteenthMember> So we all here?
  6. [13:47] <Draaek> I'd assume so
  7. [13:48] <Draaek> its literally four or five people today wow
  8. [13:48] <FifteenthMember> Okay, first topic
  9. [13:48] <FifteenthMember> "Staff policy - Answer remaining questions, finalize policy and implement."
  10. [13:48] <FifteenthMember> What exactly are the remaining questions?
  11. [13:48] * Braviaggron ( has joined #KHWiki-noticeboard
  12. [13:49] <FifteenthMember> welcome~
  13. [13:49] <Braviaggron> hi
  14. [13:50] <+KeybladeSpyMaste>
  15. [13:50] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> There!
  16. [13:50] <FifteenthMember> Err, I don't think it's good to always quantify a staff policy
  17. [13:50] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Anyways, whether the policy is okay as I've written it. There were two questions I made at the end that were never answered.
  18. [13:51] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> What do you mean?
  19. [13:51] <FifteenthMember> I'd rather let it be a case-by-case issue where we hold elections if we feel new staff is necessary
  20. [13:51] <+Neumannz> (that period wasn't included in that link, btw)
  21. [13:52] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Hmm...I'm not sure how to fix that.
  22. [13:52] <FifteenthMember> For example, when KH3 releases and we get loads of traffic, maybe an election then
  23. [13:52] <+Neumannz> (you can't, it's an IRC thing)
  24. [13:52] <FifteenthMember> for the moment when everything is stagnant, no
  25. [13:52] <FifteenthMember> So i don't think any particular rules should be made on when elections are held
  26. [13:52] <FifteenthMember> Thoughts?
  27. [13:56] <FifteenthMember> ...guys?
  28. [13:57] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> If you guys want to remove the number things, I can do that. I just thought it'd be a good idea to have certain conditions, incase basically the whole staff leaves or something in a short period of time.
  29. [13:57] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> But it makes sense to remove them, too.
  30. [13:57] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> To leave it subject to the level of traffic we receive on the wiki.
  31. [13:57] <+Neumannz> it would okay to have some kind minimum number of active staff
  32. [13:58] <FifteenthMember> Well, if the whole staff leaves in a short period of time, we'd make the decision to hold an election because it'd be necessary xD
  33. [13:58] <FifteenthMember> But during the year, barely anything happens so two or three would suffice
  34. [13:58] <FifteenthMember> Then at holiday/game release times, activity spikes up
  35. [13:58] <+Neumannz> something like that
  36. [14:01] <FifteenthMember> Err
  37. [14:02] <FifteenthMember> I think it'd be fine to just say "Elections are held when the community decides that new staff are necessary"
  38. [14:02] <+Neumannz> so, not a percentage, just some kind of threshold of "we should have at least three or so active staff members"
  39. [14:02] <FifteenthMember> Yeah sure
  40. [14:04] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Ok. That works.
  41. [14:05] <FifteenthMember> Okay, that's wrapped up
  42. [14:05] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Other than that, is there anything else in the policy you guys want to change?
  43. [14:05] <FifteenthMember> nope
  44. [14:05] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Or should we just implement it like that?
  45. [14:06] <FifteenthMember> I would
  46. [14:07] <+Neumannz> was there a complaint policy?
  47. [14:07] <+Neumannz> i don't remember
  48. [14:08] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Not before. I added it.
  49. [14:08] <+Neumannz> can you sum it up?
  50. [14:10] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> The idea is that there should be a way for people to report the staff if they're doing something wrong. Basically remove this whole "elitism" concept that people have of the staff by providing a means to safely and easily report staff that abuse their powers.
  51. [14:10] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> While also protecting the staff from false claims by making it public.
  52. [14:10] <+Neumannz> can we bring back the Heartless Manufactory?
  53. [14:11] <+Neumannz> (i don't actually know if that should be integrated into that...)
  54. [14:11] <FifteenthMember> The Heartless Manufactory never went away did it?
  55. [14:11] <FifteenthMember> We just never had any reason to use it
  56. [14:12] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Actually, that's where the complaints are "filed"
  57. [14:12] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> "Complaints against specific staff for violating the Staff policy should be filed in the [[Forum:Heartless Manufactory|Heartless Manufactory]] forums. The forum created should be the titled in the manner of <<Accusing User>> v. <<Staff Member>>."
  58. [14:12] <FifteenthMember> Yeah, they can be discussed there too, no?
  59. [14:14] <+Neumannz> i don't see why not
  60. [14:14] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Yeah. In that forum, the accuser makes the forum and his/her claim. Then the accused, if the claim is reasonabley (not just a complaint becasue the accuser hates the staff member) provides his point of view, and then the community decides if the staff member has violated his/her powers.
  61. [14:15] <FifteenthMember> Yeah, agreed
  62. [14:15] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> "These complaint forums should only be created if a staff member is abusing staff powers for censorship, to win edit wars or arguments, or is attacking anyone directly. They should not be used if a user has a dispute or differing viewpoint over a subject. Reverted edits are not grounds for filing a complaint against the staff unless there is clear abuse of staff tools/rights in the process. Abuse of this system will result in a warning and punishment as appropriate."
  63. [14:16] <FifteenthMember> Cool
  64. [14:19] <FifteenthMember> Next agenda?
  65. [14:20] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Sure
  66. [14:21] <FifteenthMember> Hmm, MegaProject Arise stuff
  67. [14:21] <FifteenthMember> I think we should skip that today because not enough people from the Keyhole
  68. [14:21] <FifteenthMember> so we can't be making those decisions
  69. [14:21] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Ok
  70. [14:22] <Draaek> I can try and call on aix but who know if he can come
  71. [14:23] <Draaek> then again, it would only be two of us speaking for the whole keyhole
  72. [14:23] <FifteenthMember> We'll just skip to next time
  73. [14:23] <FifteenthMember> (tbh not many people from KHWiki either)
  74. [14:23] <Draaek> lol
  75. [14:23] <FifteenthMember> Next?
  76. [14:24] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> The magazine stuff?
  77. [14:24] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> *idea
  78. [14:24] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> (Not sure why I said stuff....I read idea like four times....)
  79. [14:26] <FifteenthMember> Oh
  80. [14:26] <FifteenthMember> Basically, I had this idea where we do a page fourteen
  81. [14:26] <FifteenthMember> That's a collab with another external wiki
  82. [14:26] <FifteenthMember> I want to do something with the FFWiki to renew relationships
  83. [14:27] <+Neumannz> so what would it be?
  84. [14:27] <FifteenthMember> because I ghost their IRC and sometimes I see snippets of conversation and they remember the KHWiki drama from four years ago
  85. [14:27] <FifteenthMember> and don't really know us now
  86. [14:27] <FifteenthMember> Well. I have no idea
  87. [14:27] <FifteenthMember> I'm hoping one of you guys can think of something
  88. [14:27] <FifteenthMember> We don't need to do the issue anytime soon
  89. [14:28] <FifteenthMember> I'm thnking it should tie in to celebrate a FF game release
  90. [14:29] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I was gonna say we should do something since they turned 10 last month, but by the time the next issue will come, it'll be four months since their 10th Anniversary. Don't know if that's ok.
  91. [14:30] <FifteenthMember> I was thinking something for the FFX-X2 HD but the issue will be too late
  92. [14:30] <FifteenthMember> It's just an idea we can shelve for now
  93. [14:30] <+Neumannz> something to think about
  94. [14:30] <FifteenthMember> I'm just mentioning it in case any of you manage to grow the idea
  95. [14:31] <+Neumannz> "they remember the KHWiki drama from four years ago"
  96. [14:31] <FifteenthMember> I'd like to do a friendly competition against FFWiki because that would be fun
  97. [14:31] <+Neumannz> how do they feel about it
  98. [14:31] <FifteenthMember> it's mainly just tension over the whole fact that we split
  99. [14:31] <FifteenthMember> They think the Keyhole is a fansite like the fanon wiki
  100. [14:31] <FifteenthMember> and the KHWiki has died
  101. [14:32] <FifteenthMember> ...and yeah
  102. [14:32] <+Neumannz> pretty sure we haven't died
  103. [14:32] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> It did seem to be a little wierd when someone brought up the idea of them leaving Wikia a couple months ago over the new Wikia skin.
  104. [14:32] <+Neumannz> do they not pay attention?
  105. [14:32] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> They attributed our success to pure luck, or something of the fashion.
  106. [14:34] <FifteenthMember> "[21:27] <Catuse> I like their IRC rules
  107. [14:34] <FifteenthMember> [21:27] <Catuse> The IRC uses the wiki's native tongue - Please use proper English. 133t Sp33k is not something we want to read. Abbrevations such as "YGOTAS", "KH", and "FFWiki" are acceptable, but please try to stay within reason.
  108. [14:34] <FifteenthMember> [21:28] <Catuse> for some reason YGOTAS is more important than Kingdom Hearts on this list"
  109. [14:34] <FifteenthMember> lol
  110. [14:34] <FifteenthMember> Well, they don't vehemently hate us
  111. [14:34] <+KeybladeSpyMaste>
  112. [14:34] <+Neumannz> it is! :P
  113. [14:35] <FifteenthMember> They said we copied their let's play idea (which is kinda true xD)
  114. [14:37] <FifteenthMember> "KHwiki was successful? Really?"
  115. [14:37] <FifteenthMember> gr8
  116. [14:37] * FifteenthMember is shot
  117. [14:37] <+Neumannz> whatever
  118. [14:38] <FifteenthMember> Anyway, we should move on
  119. [14:38] <FifteenthMember> KHWiki:Mobile page
  120. [14:38] <FifteenthMember> I think we should create that explaining the differences between the desktop vs mobile
  121. [14:38] <FifteenthMember> aka list all the limitations
  122. [14:38] <FifteenthMember> Just for our viewers' info
  123. [14:39] <FifteenthMember> Then, maybe I'll stop being lazy and create that mobile homepage like I said I would months ago >.<
  124. [14:40] <+Neumannz> sounds good to me
  125. [14:40] <FifteenthMember> Um, I need to brb
  126. [14:40] <FifteenthMember> For the last one, I think it should be covered in some form even if it's in a "Cancelled games" page or something
  127. [14:40] <FifteenthMember> *last agenda
  128. [14:41] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I'm okay with the KHWiki:Mobile page.
  129. [14:41] <FifteenthMember> (okay I'm here a few minutes longer)
  130. [14:41] <FifteenthMember> Alright
  131. [14:41] <FifteenthMember> "Kingdom Hearts:Fragmented Keys (cancelled game) Implement it?"
  132. [14:41] <+Neumannz> sorry, remind me what the agenda item is?
  133. [14:42] <FifteenthMember> ""Kingdom Hearts:Fragmented Keys (cancelled game) Implement it?""
  134. [14:42] <FifteenthMember> I think it should be covered on a "Cancelled games" page or something
  135. [14:42] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Kingdom Hearts; Fragmented Keys was a game that supposedly was cancelled in early 2012.
  136. [14:42] <FifteenthMember> there's been another cancelled game before too, I think
  137. [14:43] <FifteenthMember> Okay, actual brb
  138. [14:43] <FifteenthMember> those are my thoughts
  139. [14:43] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Yeah, but that one we have no information on other than it was being developed and then cancelled, about 2012, too
  140. [14:43] <FifteenthMember> cya
  141. [14:43] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Ok
  142. [14:43] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> See ya, FM
  143. [14:44] <+Neumannz> is there a sourcer?
  144. [14:44] <+Neumannz> *source
  145. [14:44] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> KH13 says it was on the LinkedIn page of one of the people Disney hired to make the game.
  146. [14:45] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I personally don't believe it, there's a couple of things that don't make sense to me. However, if you guys think it's ok, then I'll go with it.
  147. [14:45] <+KeybladeSpyMaste>
  148. [14:47] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I actually have to go right now, too.
  149. [14:47] * KeybladeSpyMaste is now known as KSM|AFK
  150. [14:47] * FifteenthMember ( Quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
  151. [14:47] <+Neumannz> LOVELYT
  152. [14:48] <+Neumannz> you could make an article out of this
  153. [14:52] <+Neumannz> [crickets]
  154. [15:00] * Draaek (bbea49dc@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Quit (Quit: Page closed)
  155. [15:02] <+Neumannz> wow, okay
  156. [15:02] <+Neumannz> i'm leaving in an hour anyway
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  160. [15:35] <+Neumannz> i'm leaving in a few minutes
  161. [15:35] <+Neumannz> FWI
  162. [15:36] <+Neumannz> *FYI
  163. [15:42] <FifteenthMember> How far did we come?
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  172. [16:29] <FifteenthMember> wb
  173. [16:29] <FifteenthMember> NZ had to leave
  174. [16:29] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Thanks
  175. [16:30] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I left my PC running to keep logging, but I guess it went into hibernate at some point and disconnected me. What was decided of the last point?
  176. [16:30] <Sora1995> ohai
  177. [16:32] <FifteenthMember> idk
  178. [16:32] <FifteenthMember> we never discussed anything
  179. [16:32] <FifteenthMember> what did you guys discuss after I was gone?
  180. [16:34] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Nothing. I had to leave right after that, too.
  181. [16:35] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> [14:43] <FifteenthMember> cya
  182. [16:35] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> [14:43] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Ok
  183. [16:35] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> [14:43] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> See ya, FM
  184. [16:35] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> [14:44] <+Neumannz> is there a sourcer?
  185. [16:35] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> [14:44] <+Neumannz> *source
  186. [16:35] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> [14:44] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> KH13 says it was on the LinkedIn page of one of the people Disney hired to make the game.
  187. [16:35] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> [14:45] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I personally don't believe it, there's a couple of things that don't make sense to me. However, if you guys think it's ok, then I'll go with it.
  188. [16:35] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> [14:45] <+KeybladeSpyMaste>
  189. [16:35] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> [14:47] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I actually have to go right now, too.
  190. [16:37] <FifteenthMember> was it on anywhere but kh13?
  191. [16:37] <FifteenthMember> like khinsider
  192. [16:37] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> Nope
  193. [16:37] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> KH13 was the only one running the story
  194. [16:39] <FifteenthMember> hmm
  195. [16:39] <FifteenthMember> KH13 had problems with people believing their own content, didn't they?
  196. [16:40] <FifteenthMember> Okay, due to dubious sources, I'd say omit it from the wiki
  197. [16:40] <FifteenthMember> it's not vital info anyway
  198. [16:40] <+KeybladeSpyMaste> I actually thought it might be a (really early) April Fools joke, but it's the 3rd of April now, and they haven't called it as such. The guy in charge of the site is confident it's real.
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  200. [17:03] <FifteenthMember> Oh by the way
  201. [17:03] <FifteenthMember> Roundtable end!
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