ame
kirbin
amasian
embrace
iri
BTC
guy
FJ
Liven
Coco
Corv - 1 OOT
Clev - Both OOT

Judgements here except ame, ame if you remind me I can get you yours


#Guy

* Getting to guy's team is hard
* Gun good
* Only limit to this strategy is Encroaching Sphere

* Reiteration of which teams begin relevant to which parties

* Characters need to provably use stealth and be able to deal with two targets firing at the same target

* Argumentative weight

#Corv

Rest of my judgement can be found here on sebastian and lizard as presented https://pastebin.com/nW1WEdxq

Lizard is abso-fucking-lutely not in tier.

Lizard's stat block is being precipitated on the context of a massive physicals disparity in terms of actual scale, highly relevant piercing attacks, regeneration, and speed that is at bare minimum being portrayed as respectable, with a 5, additionally fast limb. In addition to this, Lizard can win in basically any relevant way - grappling, striking, slicing, eating, BFR (contd later), while Dick can only actually kill Lizard by landing an arrow speed projectile to completely cut through his spine. For reference, a mach 2 object is to 5 ms reactions what a nerf dart is to human reactions. This isn't even about dodging, this is about "not sustaining a critical injury to the neck", something we and lizards both share in terms of strategy.

Dick is being influenced throughout TP this entire fight, even if you ignore the scaling Lizard has, even if you take Dick's scaling beyond "has good willpower", Dick essentially has to play perfectly with no margin of error to even survive, and every instance of Dick's TP makes him hesitate far longer than Lizard needs to win, additionally TP that makes you do an action you are already genuinely probably considering (running away) is just something that isn't going to fly. Nightwing is passively enduring a morale check at all times while fighting hyper-physicals, piercing attacks, non-standard limbs and relevant speed. If Lizard were far lesser in at least one stat he might theoretically be acceptable but the TP is just way too much when being argued as a completely relevant fight winner.

#Wolf

Arena Wide Effect: Origin throws pumpkin bombs, or Mayday throws Pumpkin bombs, Mayday spams as much webbing as she can, Mayday can mass freeze groups without warning, Mini Origin shoots bullets, Mayday targets Deadspot

#Liven

* Guts mogs
* Zombieman can block bullet timers and survives for a really long time
* Guts and Zombieman mog Ken
* Guts and Zombieman are benefitted against tired combatants , only Guy's team will camp, Zombieman/Guts can survive the injuries to get to guys team and win

#Clev

I don't think the characters here are necessarily OOT in a vacuum however how they are being represented among characters who are being argued to Nightwing tier stats, objectively are Nightwing tier stats, or are at least otherwise not really disputed, many of the characters presented have evasion that is bare minimum comparable. I could probably have been convinced more strongly either way if there was a more thorough dispute on the character's stats in a vacuum.  Ripple is too fast and has a ton of different advantages.

* Arthur's offense and defense is essentially comprised of sun level heat
  * this has a bunch of implications I'm not going to cover in one point
* Arthur has massive and deceptive range
 * Arthur uses an attack arguably large enough to be AoE
* Fuck Batman
* Arthur moves fast enough to blitz someone who was watching him when that person could time a bullet they didn't see
* "Arthur can also read the breath of life, allowing him to completely ignore feints or illusions by sensing the enemy's intent. If he misses the first slash, he can quickly throw a follow-up slash with his speed; he can also sense and dodge enemy attacks."
* Trying to touch Arthur can incinerate you
* Arthur is able to physically contend with people who fling one ton objects into the air with their strikes, probably dozens of meters?
* Arthur has pseudo-precog or just precog
* Ripple exists
 * Ripple is invisible
 *  Ripple has good stealth
 * Ripple always hits her target
 * Ripple's range one shots if it lands
 * Ripple swings her sword faster than bullets
* 15m range for arthur
* Morel's smoke takes a few seconds to go through the building
* Arthur one shots Koku
* Colette doesn't matter
* etc doesn't matter

#FJ

* Guyver blows up gear with laser
 * etc characters use gear
* Guyver has one shots with range
* Guyver can hit multiple targets
 * cucks regen btw
* Guyver stronk btw also piercing
* Guyver's senses counter stealth
* Baki strong and tenacious and skilled
* Baki reacts in 1.5 ms
* Baki skill memes

OOT basically boils down to "guyver too strong" "actually he sucks"


#Coco

* Starts away from others
* Uryu bullet times, 5 ms 70 m/s
 * Durable, vaguely good at tactics
* Fires homing arrows every 300 ms
 * These can control people, arguably **Arena Wide Effect**
* Uryu can give this to Deadspot
* Deadspot is a dead spot, spider-sense is less effective in a chaotic enviroment
 * Deadspot scales to muh chimney busting
 * Deadspot one shots
* Mind controls etc and wins

* Reiterates stats
* Deadspot is Uryu but invisible
* Deadspot uses super FTE to teleport behind people
* Piercing arrows home and can't be blocked

I don't want to address the rest

#Amasian

* Me strong, me tier setter strong, piercing jabs
* Taskmaster cuts hard
* People's piercing sucks
* Shang Chi is really skilled
* Taskmaster copies skill, and has good stealth
* Shang Chi is 170 mph and 2.5 ms
* Taskmaster is 5 ms and 170 mph
* Taskmaster runs fast
* Taskmaster copies speed
 * lol
* Can jump and websling
* Me team durable
* Taskmaster copies what he wants
* monky
* Taskmaster runs from Batman, Shang Chi kills BWL, etc
* Taskmaster can fight blind and predict attacks
* Shang Chi can break out of illusions and sense evil
* Shang and TM dodge gunfire
* fuck clev I guess

#Embrace

* Kanade has piercing
 * Can throw people with intierenergy.mp4
* Lancelot warps and crushes metal
* Sonics exist
* Lancelot can throw out a strong projectile
* Kanade has In Tier Durability
* Lancelot takes gunfire that puts holes in metal
* Kanade heals
* Kanade can use distortion and Lancelot can use a shield
* Kanade reacts in 8 ms, strikes at 60 m/s
 * Runs fast
* Lancelot has In Tier Speed
* Lancelot has thermal vision
* EMP definitely can't work because prove it does I guess
* Can gank Guy
* alliances bad
* Team takes the best position
* Reiteration of strategy, points not rebutted
* Etc don't matter

#Kirbin

* Position good
* They stay there, can't be approached without being seen
* Morel can fill a forest with smoke, **Arena wide effect**
* Morel creates smoke clones
* Morel creates hundreds of disguisable troopers
* Morel can hide perfectly
* Morel can restrain with smoke
* Morel's smoke can block a massive explosion
* Morel is a support specialist who helps Koku
* Koku needs to be decapitated
* Koku has massive regen
* Koku fast
* Koku regens as fast as he can attack
* Characters faster than Koku move in slow motion to him
* Koku can see anatomy
* Koku has big piercing range
* Characters have to dodge hard-to-dodge attacks coming from obscured sight in conjuction with someone who specializes in distraction
 * reiterating advantages
* Team is isolated and in a beneficial spot
* Deadspot is ass
* Coco's strategy literally doesn't work, all the characters he would control suck
* Arthur isn't really quantified where he needs to be and is probably OOT
* Mayday will likely survive but webbing doesn't work and she won't take his head off probably

#BTC

* Colette kites, Loken follows, Loken has stealth and colette runs fast
* Loken conversatively shoots at 2500 m/s and shoots a one shot
* Colette can potshot and one shot with cold
* Loken is a 3 tonner with reach and a one shot
* Colette is a 2 tonner and strikes with 50 cal energy
* Colette enforces fights on a time limit of .3s ish
* Loken is super durable, resists stuff
* Colette needs to be shot really hard to hurt her
 * muh esoteric proportions
* Loken has enhanced senses
* Colette is a teenager and doesn't look inherently dangerous
* Loken can use a smoke screen because he dissapeared from sight once
* Reiteration of enhanced senses
* He can definitely carry his team member
* me durable u no punch good me win
* Loken can shoot at mach 7, spit acid, and track targets in the smoke
* BTC's team stays together

#Iri

* Batman EMPs to take people out
* Shang and TM wear down Batmen
* Team corv jumps Batmen
* Guts get shot and Zombieman gets ganked
* etc characters don't really have an actual answer for the massive chaos the arena and morel specifically causes
* Uryu is dogshit
* Miguel is alive, Batmen are alive but battleworn, BWL might just lose, Newton and Sniper jump whoever else, Uryu and Deadspot suck
* me spider me strong
* me katana me cut good fast
* Spider-man is a super-genius in combat relevant timeframes
* Spider-man runs away
* Spider-man can convince people to work with him
* Katana can kill people and summon them to work for her
* reiteration of win cons, etc don't matter, get EMPd, etc
 * Batman's situation isn't analagous
 * fuck coco
 * Guyver is slow and his shit doesn't work on team iri
 * koku's ranged slashes aren't quantified
   * katana smash