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  1. [12:36] [DPS-50,000] Gael@djbstewart: is there a list anywhere of the max various ships can do, would in interesting to see what people have managed in some of the more obscure ones that are going about
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  3. [12:36] [DPS-50,000] Taela@Felisean: since ryan did 77k with a nx every ship could do more
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  5. [12:37] [DPS-50,000] Gael@djbstewart: fair point, I should have included that Ryan isnt allowed as its for real people
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  7. [12:37] [DPS-50,000] Sphynx@patrickstew: it is not so much the ship as it is the captain
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  9. [12:37] [DPS-50,000] Taela@Felisean: you know, ship with 2 tac consoles and 3 weapons
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  11. [12:38] [DPS-50,000] Metrics@john98837: its not so much the ship but the recluse nanny following it around
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  13. [12:38] [DPS-50,000] Taela@Felisean: and only ensign bo power
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  15. [12:38] [DPS-50,000] Taela@Felisean: yeah, 51k base dps numbers
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  17. [12:38] [DPS-50,000] Metrics@john98837: because of a whole team buffing his dps and the gw on the spheres that let him get rediculous numbers off them
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  19. [12:38] [DPS-50,000] Metrics@john98837: was at 13k before that, so yeah, nanny
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  21. [12:39] [DPS-50,000] Taela@Felisean: teamplay ftw
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  23. [12:39] [DPS-50,000] Star Mighty Master@starmaster000: it weasy to do
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  25. [12:39] [DPS-50,000] Metrics@john98837: cheating ftw
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  27. [12:39] [DPS-50,000] Star Mighty Master@starmaster000: if the team helping him
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  29. [12:39] [DPS-50,000] Taela@Felisean: using a team is not cheating
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  31. [12:39] [DPS-50,000] Gael@djbstewart: I know the nx and its layout and what he did was highly impressive, I guess I am more reffering to what a ship can achieve in the real world without a Ryan flying it
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  33. [12:39] [DPS-50,000] Metrics@john98837: the way you use a team it is
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  35. [12:39] [DPS-50,000] Star Mighty Master@starmaster000: no but help you get a LOT more dps
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  37. [12:39] [DPS-50,000] Star Mighty Master@starmaster000: with out them your lose a lot
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  39. [12:39] [DPS-50,000] Metrics@john98837: you don't use a team to maximize success or get the mission done quick, you use it to artificially inflate one persons numbers
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  41. [12:40] [DPS-50,000] Star Mighty Master@starmaster000: why solo isa has much loser dps as no one bootsing your dos
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  43. [12:40] [DPS-50,000] Star Mighty Master@starmaster000: dps*
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  45. [12:40] [DPS-50,000] Gael@djbstewart: I don't think its cheating, its setting up a scenario to acheive the highest possible numbers, that is the design of the setup, therefore there is no cheating
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  47. [12:40] [DPS-50,000] Star Mighty Master@starmaster000: lower*
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  49. [12:41] [DPS-50,000] Star Mighty Master@starmaster000: like see 130k 120 or over 100k in a solo isa run lol
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  51. [12:41] [DPS-50,000] Amphibio@holofrog: someone one the forums wrote about teamplay in a MMO and I guess, he's right:
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  53. [12:41] [DPS-50,000] Amphibio@holofrog: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=24020341&postcount=44
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  55. [12:41] [DPS-50,000] Star Mighty Master@starmaster000: not going happen tell you that much
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  57. [12:41] [DPS-50,000] Taela@Felisean: but we are playing a mmo not a singelplayer game
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  59. [12:41] [DPS-50,000] Venesa@valkfx: if its cheating to use a team to buff you. then its cheating to be in fleet to help you get stuff done within the fleet. its the same thing. there is an element of solo but if you want to achive anyth
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  61. [12:41] [DPS-50,000] Venesa@valkfx: anything in life u need others
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  63. [12:41] [DPS-50,000] Sphynx@patrickstew: ^^
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  65. [12:41] [DPS-50,000] Metrics@john98837: yes but your not playing the mmo to win as a team, your playing it to artificially inflate 1 persons socre, that is not team play, thats cheating
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  67. [12:42] [DPS-50,000] Star Mighty Master@starmaster000: but how they get high dps numbers anyone who knows what there doing and get team st up can do just the same
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  69. [12:42] [DPS-50,000] Metrics@john98837: if you were playing it to win you'd be doing it with 5 scimis all competing for dps as in STO dps is all that matters, but you dont, because you want to artificially inflate your scores
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  71. [12:42] [DPS-50,000] Venesa@valkfx: no team in an mmo? what is raiding on wow.. or dungeoning on gw2 ?
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  73. [12:42] [DPS-50,000] T'Nessa@Raiden993TT: eve
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  75. [12:43] [DPS-50,000] Athena@crossfit74: i dont see a issue with it the dps league is not needed to play this game what dif will it make if his numbers are 50k 100k or 500k by useing a team it changed my game none
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  77. [12:44] [DPS-50,000] Star Mighty Master@starmaster000: John right they just wanna be on top of DPS table make the feel better
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  79. [12:44] [DPS-50,000] Star Mighty Master@starmaster000: So make team to boots there dps
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  81. [12:44] [DPS-50,000] Tifa@soiduts: its all pointless with the lag :P
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  83. [12:44] [DPS-50,000] Metrics@john98837: because the dps league is supposed to be a competitive board, only thing that can keep these game interesting in the long run, and people cheating ruins that
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  85. [12:44] [DPS-50,000] Star Mighty Master@starmaster000: like i said only one in 450k or 75k can do same and get 115k 140k dps
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  87. [12:44] [DPS-50,000] Star Mighty Master@starmaster000: anyone not only one
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  89. [12:44] [DPS-50,000] Taela@Felisean: you could use the solo league for it numbers
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  91. [12:44] [DPS-50,000] Taela@Felisean: thats exactly what you want
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  93. [12:45] [DPS-50,000] Vel@jarvisandalfred: Solo league's biased against engi's
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  95. [12:45] [DPS-50,000] Athena@crossfit74: so put a team toghter yourself
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  97. [12:45] [DPS-50,000] Metrics@john98837: solo league is the dumbest idea i have ever heard of, thats like stabing yourself in the eye
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  99. [12:45] [DPS-50,000] Amphibio@holofrog: we have the soloISA-League now, if someone wants to compare solo-records :)
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  101. [12:45] [DPS-50,000] Vel@jarvisandalfred: Tac's can pop APA/FoMM and burst the transformer, sci's can pop sensor scan, engi's...
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  103. [12:45] [DPS-50,000] Star Mighty Master@starmaster000: but soon they go in a pve with out the boots team there dps gose lower fast
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  105. [12:45] [DPS-50,000] Venesa@valkfx: i dont see the league table as a competitve table. i see it as a board in which i know i can do better. its a progression board. that shows what you can achieve
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  107. [12:45] [DPS-50,000] Vel@jarvisandalfred: well, we don't exactly have spike
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  109. [12:45] [DPS-50,000] Venesa@valkfx: in the name of dps
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  111. [12:45] [DPS-50,000] Taela@Felisean: than you have to adapt your tactic as a eng
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  113. [12:45] [DPS-50,000] Metrics@john98837: well the founders and I all see it as a competitive league, just benni and his followers that don't
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  115. [12:45] [DPS-50,000] Taela@Felisean: since we did it with a full t1 team
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  117. [12:46] [DPS-50,000] Star Mighty Master@starmaster000: to be far low you can see people well closer to what dps they do in the solo isa runs
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  119. [12:47] [DPS-50,000] Taela@Felisean: thats what you could do without a team
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  121. [12:47] [DPS-50,000] Venesa@valkfx: dps is always competitive. in any game. but a table just shows what can be achieved and that you can do it to
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  123. [12:47] [DPS-50,000] Star Mighty Master@starmaster000: so base on ryan solo dps run he dose 53k dps not 130k dps
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  125. [12:47] [DPS-50,000] Taela@Felisean: if you join with a team its always an impact on the result
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  127. [12:47] [DPS-50,000] SOB@spencerb96: upwards of 75k is possible solo
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  129. [12:48] [DPS-50,000] Star Mighty Master@starmaster000: yes but there are team you can make to impact the result a LOT
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  131. [12:48] [DPS-50,000] Amphibio@holofrog: ryan did the solo-run with the galaxy
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  133. [12:48] [DPS-50,000] Amphibio@holofrog: not with a scimitar
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  135. [12:48] [DPS-50,000] Amphibio@holofrog: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pbo0bEJs4zs
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  137. [12:48] [DPS-50,000] Star Mighty Master@starmaster000: so if he dose it with a scim then that close to hes dps he really dose not a team helping him get lots more
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  139. [12:50] [DPS-50,000] Venesa@valkfx: i dont see what this debate is about. work as a team to achieve more. if you are salty that they are doing that form your own team and achieve it to.
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  141. [12:50] [DPS-50,000] Jacqueline@IntelHawk: who is benni?
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  143. [12:50] [DPS-50,000] Taela@Felisean: <-
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  145. [12:51] [DPS-50,000] Jacqueline@IntelHawk: ah
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  147. [12:51] [DPS-50,000] Metrics@john98837: the point is you shouldn't have to form a specialized team who will all play to buff your personal dps score, you should be able to complete on a level playing field
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  149. [12:52] [DPS-50,000] Stev@eragon1392: why not? it's normal for a mmo
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  151. [12:52] [DPS-50,000] Athena@crossfit74: i think the only way that will happen tis to play with just u and what u bring to the table
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  153. [12:52] [DPS-50,000] Metrics@john98837: no normal for an mmo is a specialized team designed to win the match, not to buff your dps
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  155. [12:53] [DPS-50,000] N'Mej@seddheen: Um...doing everything you can to pump up one person's dps was quite common in WoW for the dps charts there.
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  157. [12:54] [DPS-50,000] Vel@jarvisandalfred: correct me if I'm wrong, but these channels exist in large part to recruit teams, right?
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  159. [12:54] [DPS-50,000] Jena@sarcasmdetector: sure
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  161. [12:54] [DPS-50,000] Jena@sarcasmdetector: i just logged in and that's an odd question
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  163. [12:55] [DPS-50,000] Vel@jarvisandalfred: so the complaint is that we use a metric from a team environment to determine at what level you'll perform in a team?
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  165. [12:56] [DPS-50,000] Metrics@john98837: Oh i'm just giving felisean some shit for his cheating ways, I don't think Vel understands though.
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  167. [12:56] [DPS-50,000] Jena@sarcasmdetector: ah
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  169. [12:56] [DPS-50,000] Vel@jarvisandalfred: probably not, no
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  171. [12:56] [DPS-50,000] Jena@sarcasmdetector: look at it this way vel
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  173. [12:56] [DPS-50,000] Jena@sarcasmdetector: most of the teams formed in the channels are pugs
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  175. [12:57] [DPS-50,000] Jena@sarcasmdetector: throw a call out and grab the first 4 people who X up
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  177. [12:57] [DPS-50,000] Stev@eragon1392: and? whos is the problem?
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  179. [12:57] [DPS-50,000] Jena@sarcasmdetector: as opposed to a specific premade team where those 4 teammates are explicitly powering up 1 person
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  181. [12:58] [DPS-50,000] Zooey sh'Ching@g0mjabbar: At least it gives you a reason to build a support ship, I mean, variety is nice.
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  183. [12:58] [DPS-50,000] Stev@eragon1392: in a record run is it a problem?
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  185. [12:59] [DPS-50,000] Metrics@john98837: considering its not an acurate relection of your skill or dps yes it is
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  187. [12:59] [DPS-50,000] Jacqueline@IntelHawk: hmm
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  189. [12:59] [DPS-50,000] Metrics@john98837: and can also be done to easily get someone who can barely do 30k normally into 50k, or 50 into 75k, i am sure you'd all love getting people who can only do 30k when you call out in 50 right?
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  191. [12:59] [DPS-50,000] Lusankya@smokeybacon90: and clarkson and co will be picked up by another channel
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  193. [12:59] [DPS-50,000] Lusankya@smokeybacon90: oops mt
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  195. [1:00] [DPS-50,000] Zooey sh'Ching@g0mjabbar: But if you can't maintain 50k in 50k, technically you can be ejected.
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  197. [1:00] [DPS-50,000] Amphibio@holofrog: calling teamwork "cheating" in an MMO is strange
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  199. [1:00] [DPS-50,000] Vel@jarvisandalfred: it is an interesting problem, for sure
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  201. [1:01] [DPS-50,000] Stev@eragon1392: if they don't do 50k in an 50 k run kick him
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  203. [1:01] [DPS-50,000] Jacqueline@IntelHawk: i think the people who say its cheating are referring to cheating the dps tables
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  205. [1:01] [DPS-50,000] Jena@sarcasmdetector: for the DPS tables, a solution is coming
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  207. [1:02] [DPS-50,000] Titania@zlajocro: yeah, which did not happen in this case as far as i see, it was only a run for fun to see what's possible
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  209. [1:02] [DPS-50,000] Titania@zlajocro: i don't see a problem
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  211. [1:03] [DPS-50,000] Auron@Brotherauron: We could call it the final solution, but the germans might not like that phrasing
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  213. [1:04] [DPS-50,000] Jena@sarcasmdetector: the problem?
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  215. [1:04] [DPS-50,000] Jena@sarcasmdetector: when you come and say an NX can do 77k, and ignoring the huge disclaimer behind that
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  217. [1:05] [DPS-50,000] Jena@sarcasmdetector: that it was because of a very specific team set up
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  219. [1:05] [DPS-50,000] Taela@Felisean: but doesnt change the fact that the nx does 77k
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  221. [1:05] [DPS-50,000] Jena@sarcasmdetector: and porbably done on tribble as well
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  223. [1:05] [DPS-50,000] Jena@sarcasmdetector: which we wont go into again
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  225. [1:05] [DPS-50,000] Titania@zlajocro: they wanted to see what's the max you can push that ship, kinda the spirit of the dps channels
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  227. [1:06] [DPS-50,000] Amphibio@holofrog: +1
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  229. [1:06] [DPS-50,000] Jacqueline@IntelHawk: but should it be ranked?
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  231. [1:06] [DPS-50,000] McLaughlin@jaymclaughlin: what's wrong with a specialised team?
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  233. [1:06] [DPS-50,000] Titania@zlajocro: what do you mean ranked?
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  235. [1:06] [DPS-50,000] Jena@sarcasmdetector: sure, as long as they don't try to make it seem like it's normal
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  237. [1:06] [DPS-50,000] McLaughlin@jaymclaughlin: doing 77k in an NX isn't normal
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  239. [1:06] [DPS-50,000] Amphibio@holofrog: all records aren'T normal
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  241. [1:06] [DPS-50,000] Vel@jarvisandalfred: nor is tanking in a scimi
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  243. [1:07] [DPS-50,000] Pagumilli@jinuata: Nothing in this channel is normal. We're all statistical outliers.
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  245. [1:07] [DPS-50,000] Amphibio@holofrog: no one is saying that they are average runs
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  247. [1:07] [DPS-50,000] McLaughlin@jaymclaughlin: even in the video it said there were 2 days of practice runs
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  249. [1:07] [DPS-50,000] Amphibio@holofrog: but that's the point of records, they are records and not average
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  251. [1:08] [DPS-50,000] Titania@zlajocro: yeah
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  253. [1:08] [DPS-50,000] Titania@zlajocro: just take it for what it is, the max possible, at least right now, nothing more nothing less
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  255. [1:08] [DPS-50,000] Jacqueline@IntelHawk: so your record should determine what channels you have access to?
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  257. [1:09] [DPS-50,000] Auron@Brotherauron: isnt that how it works now?
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  259. [1:09] [DPS-50,000] Amphibio@holofrog: what would be an other method to determine it?
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  261. [1:09] [DPS-50,000] Taela@Felisean: yes, but you have to do 50k+ in a 50k run ;)
  262.  
  263. [1:10] [DPS-50,000] Taela@Felisean: but you need one 50k+ run to get the invite
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  265. [1:10] [DPS-50,000] Jacqueline@IntelHawk: true
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  267. [1:10] [DPS-50,000] Amphibio@holofrog: how would you prove, that you do 50k in you average run, to get the invite?
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  269. [1:10] [DPS-50,000] Rupert@eporion1: 50k is imposible with that lags
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  271. [1:11] [DPS-50,000] Auron@Brotherauron: with a good gdf i can hit about 56k
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  273. [1:11] [DPS-50,000] McLaughlin@jaymclaughlin: nah... just harder
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  275. [1:11] [DPS-50,000] Auron@Brotherauron: id imagine that's going to be like 70k worthy once the lag is fixed
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  277. [1:11] [DPS-50,000] Rolak@saross0219: 50k is still possible even with the lag.
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  279. [1:11] [DPS-50,000] Sarolla@fletchervanse: depend of the lag severity, sometimes it downed me to 20k with 2 sec between each shot ><
  280.  
  281. [1:11] [DPS-50,000] N'Mej@seddheen: Yea, I'm only a few days out from the shield so I was waiting until then since I wasn't sold on 4p yet.
  282.  
  283. [1:12] [DPS-50,000] N'Mej@seddheen: Sorry, mt.
  284.  
  285. [1:13] [DPS-50,000] Lusankya@smokeybacon90: the lag is definitely improving, broke more records in past week than in all of feb-april
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  287. [1:13] [DPS-50,000] Rolak@saross0219: I haven't been able to hit my 90k again since I first set my own personal high.
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  289. [1:15] [DPS-50,000] Sarolla@fletchervanse: think i only did isa once with my main dps toon since they admited they screwed up :/
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