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  1. Izzy Friedland <Isaiahgfriedland@gmail.com>
  2. Mar 6, 2019, 11:23 AM
  3. to me
  4. Also, I think you already know this, but fwiw a large part of David’s hurt is rooted in that you were purposefully drawing that out because of your OOC frustrations with him. I know you strongly separate your OOC and IC attitudes, but I’d ask you to consider the possibility that you might let your frustrations guide your decisions on a subconscious level
  5.  
  6. Calder Rooney
  7. Mar 6, 2019, 11:23 AM
  8. Full stop:
  9.  
  10. Izzy Friedland
  11. Mar 6, 2019, 11:24 AM
  12. For his part, I’m pretty sure he sees it as deliberate. I don’t.
  13.  
  14. Calder Rooney
  15. Mar 6, 2019, 11:24 AM
  16. Dan (George's player) actually leveled a similar accusation at me
  17.  
  18. Izzy Friedland
  19. Mar 6, 2019, 11:24 AM
  20. I know
  21.  
  22. Calder Rooney
  23. Mar 6, 2019, 11:24 AM
  24. During George's road trip to Matheson's
  25.  
  26. Calder Rooney
  27. Mar 6, 2019, 11:24 AM
  28. Let me refresh your memory anyway
  29.  
  30. Calder Rooney
  31. Mar 6, 2019, 11:25 AM
  32. No one in the car frenzied at each other, after George defused tensions, and then they all frenzied after the car got attacked
  33.  
  34. Calder Rooney
  35. Mar 6, 2019, 11:25 AM
  36. Dan said he thought I was pissed at him, so I was trying to kill off his PC
  37.  
  38. Calder Rooney
  39. Mar 6, 2019, 11:26 AM
  40. I told I'd say this only once:
  41.  
  42. Calder Rooney
  43. Mar 6, 2019, 11:26 AM
  44. If I want you out of the game, I'm declaring your PC fucking dead, no dice ever touched, and kicking you out of the rooms
  45.  
  46. Izzy Friedland
  47. Mar 6, 2019, 11:26 AM
  48. I get that.
  49.  
  50. Calder Rooney
  51. Mar 6, 2019, 11:27 AM
  52. If I don't want someone in the game, why on earth would I rely on dice to decide that?
  53.  
  54. Calder Rooney
  55. Mar 6, 2019, 11:27 AM
  56. But it cuts the other way too
  57.  
  58. Calder Rooney
  59. Mar 6, 2019, 11:27 AM
  60. If I'm pissed at someone, OOC, that is INCREDIBLY petty and unprofessional to punish their PC for it
  61.  
  62. Calder Rooney
  63. Mar 6, 2019, 11:28 AM
  64. That is not cool, at all
  65.  
  66. Calder Rooney
  67. Mar 6, 2019, 11:28 AM
  68. When I am mad at someone, my usual MO is to step away or talk things out with them
  69.  
  70. Calder Rooney
  71. Mar 6, 2019, 11:28 AM
  72. Now, if I actually did "punish" Amelie out of OOC anger, I'd owe David a huge apology
  73.  
  74. Calder Rooney
  75. Mar 6, 2019, 11:29 AM
  76. But I can say pretty honestly I wasn't pissed at David during that period
  77.  
  78. Calder Rooney
  79. Mar 6, 2019, 11:29 AM
  80. I've been pretty pissed at him after Amelie's Embrace, but I wasn't then
  81.  
  82. Izzy Friedland <Isaiahgfriedland@gmail.com>
  83. Mar 6, 2019, 11:35 AM
  84. to me
  85. Which is why you’d never do it deliberately, or frame it that way in your mind.
  86.  
  87. I believe in your character enough to know that you would never willfully be that flavor of asshole.
  88.  
  89. I would posit, however, that just like you subconsciously treat players you think highly of (Pete, Sam) more positively, without thinking “gee, I like these guys so I’m going to give them a leg up”, your OOC moods and interactions with players invariably affect what you think up for their characters.
  90.  
  91. Which is why, typically, the better off your relationship with a player is at any given moment, the better they seem to do in play, and the more multifaceted and dynamic their encounters are.
  92.  
  93. I think that your worst times with Pete have always been matched with unpleasant gameplay experiences for him. There’s a chicken-egg question there, but I think there’s a lot to be said for introspection where this stuff is concerned. I know I’m definitely not perfect enough to not treat PCs at least somewhat correlating to how I’m feeling towards their players
  94.  
  95. Calder Rooney
  96. Mar 6, 2019, 11:36 AM
  97. Well, here's what I'd say so far as that
  98.  
  99. Izzy Friedland
  100. Mar 6, 2019, 11:36 AM
  101. That doesn’t mean advantaging PCs, mind, so much as it does wanting them to succeed instinctively
  102.  
  103. Calder Rooney
  104. Mar 6, 2019, 11:36 AM
  105. And how I'd distinguish it from the scenario you've described with David
  106.  
  107. Calder Rooney <calderrooney@gmail.com>
  108. Mar 6, 2019, 11:39 AM
  109. to Izzy
  110. Subconscious bias can lead a GM to play harder cheerleader for some PCs than others, making them more relevant in plots, giving them more toys, having NPCs treat them more respectfully, etc. It happened in Kain's game and it happened in this one. It's insidious, because it has some degree of basis in the PC's actions. Caroline has generally made smarter decisions than Em, so NPCs treat her accordingly. GMs should strive to fairly reward good PC decisions, while at the same time playing equal cheerleader even for players who've been struggling
  111.  
  112. Calder Rooney
  113. Mar 6, 2019, 11:40 AM
  114. In other words, this concerns rewards
  115.  
  116. Izzy Friedland
  117. Mar 6, 2019, 11:40 AM
  118. “Generally” what a roast
  119.  
  120. Calder Rooney
  121. Mar 6, 2019, 11:40 AM
  122. And how GM bias can lead to playing harder cheerleader for some players
  123.  
  124. Calder Rooney
  125. Mar 6, 2019, 11:40 AM
  126. Generally is true. You caught the "Lord Savoy" slip-up when Pete didn't
  127.  
  128. Izzy Friedland
  129. Mar 6, 2019, 11:41 AM
  130. That is my one victory over him, yeah. Is Jon still in play, btw?
  131.  
  132. Calder Rooney
  133. Mar 6, 2019, 11:41 AM
  134. What David and Dan have accused me of is meting out deliberate punishment due to disliking players
  135.  
  136. Calder Rooney
  137. Mar 6, 2019, 11:41 AM
  138. Yes, he is
  139.  
  140. Izzy Friedland
  141. Mar 6, 2019, 11:41 AM
  142. I agree with you in thinking that’s a very unfair accusation
  143.  
  144. Calder Rooney
  145. Mar 6, 2019, 11:41 AM
  146. Now, for the record:
  147.  
  148. Izzy Friedland
  149. Mar 6, 2019, 11:41 AM
  150. Or at least, a very intense one
  151.  
  152. Calder Rooney <calderrooney@gmail.com>
  153. Mar 6, 2019, 11:44 AM
  154. to Izzy
  155. Subconscious bias towards favorite PCs is already bad. But active punishment of non-favorite players isn't just terrible, it is beyond the pale. If I found out a GM had thugs attack my PC's car on the road because he was pissed at me, and not because he'd planned that encounter months in advance, I'd have quit on the spot. I find it genuinely reprehensible. It is akin to a referee docking points during a match because he doesn't like the player. He is, in effect, ignoring the agreed rules of the game and reducing them to emotionally-driven fiat
  156.  
  157. Calder Rooney
  158. Mar 6, 2019, 11:44 AM
  159. The only word to adequately describe it is unprofessional
  160.  
  161. Calder Rooney <calderrooney@gmail.com>
  162. Mar 6, 2019, 11:45 AM
  163. to Izzy
  164. David ascribes FAR more OOC feelings to my decisions than is actually the case. He thought that "begging me" is what spared Amelie from a Nosferatu's Embrace, when it really had squat to do with it
  165.  
  166. Calder Rooney
  167. Mar 6, 2019, 11:45 AM
  168. Amelie was Embraced by a Brujah for purely in-character reasons
  169.  
  170. Calder Rooney <calderrooney@gmail.com>
  171. Mar 6, 2019, 11:46 AM
  172. to Izzy
  173. I honestly do feel sorry for David, because it sounds like he actually has played in games where GMs were less "professional" and made decisions on an emotional rather than systematic basis
  174.  
  175. Calder Rooney
  176. Mar 6, 2019, 11:46 AM
  177. In other words, referees who take away points because they don't like you
  178.  
  179. Calder Rooney
  180. Mar 6, 2019, 11:47 AM
  181. I'm not a perfect GM, and there are things about my games I can improve. But I don't think that particular sin is one I'm guilty of
  182.  
  183. Izzy Friedland <Isaiahgfriedland@gmail.com>
  184. Mar 6, 2019, 11:48 AM
  185. to me
  186. I agree. I also think it’s a)worth assuring him of that simply by showing how strongly you abhorr it and b) considering how complicit you might ACTUALLY be as a result of unconscious bias
  187.  
  188. Calder Rooney
  189. Mar 6, 2019, 11:49 AM
  190. Amelie suffered, and suffered horribly
  191.  
  192. Calder Rooney
  193. Mar 6, 2019, 11:50 AM
  194. Lou might well have been treated more "respectfully"
  195.  
  196. Calder Rooney
  197. Mar 6, 2019, 11:51 AM
  198. But I would NEVER decide to have a nurse say "we'll leave a used diaper on your face" because David was cheesing me off that minute
  199.  
  200. Calder Rooney
  201. Mar 6, 2019, 11:51 AM
  202. That's the setting's horribleness, not the GM's
  203.  
  204. Izzy Friedland
  205. Mar 6, 2019, 11:51 AM
  206. Jesus did that happen
  207.  
  208. Calder Rooney
  209. Mar 6, 2019, 11:51 AM
  210. The nurse threatened it. She never carried it out
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