sleepy falco bair defense talk

slepYesterday at 19:40
falco can definitely deal with fullscreen nair from falcon and fox without laser
he doesn't need laser to directly beat these options
dingoes finally hosted a serverYesterday at 19:40
ye falco has strong anti airs
slepYesterday at 19:41
but falco without lasers generally has to play a much more defensive game since he struggles to handle the speed
which is easily visible from watching a westballz set
immediately the fact that you had trouble "locking down people with falco" without lasers @chimps121 is a pretty clear indicator that you didn't have the easiest time adjusting and changing your playstyle despite removing a core aspect of it
but ye if your end result is "i don't think i get it" then i think puff dingoes and i have done a good job of explaining what you don't get
slepYesterday at 20:23
redeye o clock
chimps121Yesterday at 20:23
the specific problem I had that I remember was I had a lot of trouble assessing and setting up for when I needed to anti air
I have the same problem with pm dk and ssbu inkling, all 3 have defensive bairs so maybe there's a pattern that I don't get, but in all 3 scenarios I go "uh I guess I just have to throw out bairs to protect myself" because I can't really tell when/how someone's going to approach when they have just enough time that I can't approach them, but I think I have enough to bair them out of their approach
slepYesterday at 20:24
well there u go
chimps121Yesterday at 20:25
and it often leads to a whiffed bair that gets punished by either someone reading or just naturally due to timing or something, or I was wrong and I got nair'd out of my bair
slepYesterday at 20:25
why and when do they approach
chimps121Yesterday at 20:25
idk the fox/falcon was way better at everything so they just held forward and I couldn't stop it
slepYesterday at 20:25
solve for x
dingoes finally hosted a serverYesterday at 20:25
is it smoz
chimps121Yesterday at 20:25
yes
dingoes finally hosted a serverYesterday at 20:25
smoz hates lasers a lot
slepYesterday at 20:25
so if u feel like u have to Bair as ur only defensive option
chimps121Yesterday at 20:26
smoz got mad because apparently he'd given me the same advice and all I had to say for myself is :x
slepYesterday at 20:26
they can just wait for it
right
chimps121Yesterday at 20:26
right
dingoes finally hosted a serverYesterday at 20:26
but i managed to anti air bair him a lot
he likes to jump in
slepYesterday at 20:26
but it must be at a certain spacing
when he feels like he can jump in
or react to your bair
do u understand
chimps121Yesterday at 20:27
like I have to learn where someone stands to whiff punish me?
dingoes finally hosted a serverYesterday at 20:27
the smoz killer is
laser dashback bair
when hes in the corner
slepYesterday at 20:28
they dont have to stand
dingoes finally hosted a serverYesterday at 20:28
he likes to attack out
slepYesterday at 20:28
and you can do so much instead of just bair
dingoes finally hosted a serverYesterday at 20:28
yea i wanna learn to run cancel up tilt like magi and plup did a bunch this weekend
slepYesterday at 20:28
jumping in itself has so many mixups
dingoes finally hosted a serverYesterday at 20:28
its so... right
chimps121Yesterday at 20:28
yea sorry just the spacing in general instead of stands
hm
slepYesterday at 20:29
do u see the beginnings of what you were missing
it's not rps
but if it were you're throwing out rock before your opponent has swung their hand down
chimps121Yesterday at 20:30
hm ok
I guess I just don't understand what the spacing and timing combination is
how much of it is situation awareness and how much is reaction, I think I still don't really quite get it
slepYesterday at 20:32
but you understand the beginning of the concept
now you can feel it out
that'll be 30 dollars ty
sleepykDuna
chimps121Yesterday at 20:33
like obv there are tons of mixups, but at my level there aren't because people just hold forward and attack, and at the basic level I can't stop it, so I'm not sure whether I should set up 20xx to like, have fox jab then dashing nair, and then I should look for how far it goes, how fast it hits?
but since it's unreactable it just feels like I'm guessing, but I guess if people really are always attacking then it's not really a guess
slepYesterday at 20:33
play instead of lab on this one
dingoes finally hosted a serverYesterday at 20:33
slep do u have wifi on flight
slepYesterday at 20:33
ya
dingoes finally hosted a serverYesterday at 20:33
o
u flyin alredy
slepYesterday at 20:33
uhh prob will
no
but only an hour
I will sleep on plane
dingoes finally hosted a serverYesterday at 20:34
oh the tmobile thingy
yeye
slepYesterday at 20:34
so I will be rip
yee
ya was 2 chimps
to the last sentence
he types
chimps121Yesterday at 20:34
right
slepYesterday at 20:34
yeye
u begin 2 see
chimps121Yesterday at 20:35
kinda? it feels like it's like
if ur not in fox nair range who cares
slepYesterday at 20:35
for now
dingoes finally hosted a serverYesterday at 20:35
spooky thing about fox
he does what he wants
monkaS
slepYesterday at 20:36
u need the stage positioning too but worry about it later
chimps121Yesterday at 20:36
but if he is, given he has time to nair, theres almost like a probability of him nairing, and the probability he will nair at will dictate the probability at which I need to punish it
slepYesterday at 20:36
ye
chimps121Yesterday at 20:36
bair is the most obvious but at low percents also the worst, utilt prob the best one at low to mid percent so ill have to focus on being ready/able to utilt
slepYesterday at 20:37
plane fly
chimps121Yesterday at 20:37
fh over also good maybe? i see foxes and wes do it sometimes
have a safe journey slepster tyvm
slepYesterday at 20:37
approaching is a numbers game
just play and try it some more
chimps121Yesterday at 20:38
my non laser falco just feels like puff lol i literally only try to bair, no bueno sleepykYAMERO
dingoes finally hosted a serverYesterday at 20:45
bair is gud for stuffing approach
if u dont get smoz to approach it doesnt do anything
chimps121Yesterday at 21:29
ok i played more and i noticed the "just do bair to control them, didnt matter that i didnt see where/how they were" a lot more, idk how to fix it i guess i can learn how to move so i can position it better
dingoes finally hosted a serverYesterday at 21:29
wish i could just go over there and play u chimps
i just need smoz to teach u indirectly
chimps121Yesterday at 21:30
in a lot of those spots however where I did catch myself so i was like oh damn I can actually just move forward I was really annoyed by my lack of speed to get over there
and id just shoot a laser normally in those spots
I think my main techskill practice now on is just being able to move safely to position myself for good defensive walls, or just good positioning in general