March 16, 2016

Chatting on Jabber with redhouse@jabber.casrules.com from robbertsmith@jabber.casrules.com

redhouse@jabber.casrules.com (18:37:02): i sent niko some special dump of the ccd that included a column of sum of damage dealt. but anyway i've modified the event detail page and there is some hidden info you might want

redhouse@jabber.casrules.com (18:37:51): the table for 'top killers' will now include up to 300 pilots, and the pilot external id is in the rev="{}" part of the tag because the link normally uses the internal id

redhouse@jabber.casrules.com (18:38:51): niko mentioned about using xpath, you can probably figure a way to cut out the info you want from this one way or another (eg regex)

redhouse@jabber.casrules.com (18:39:11): not sure if you are interested but the api allows for pulls of public data, eg https://api.eveonline.com/eve/CharacterInfo.xml.aspx?characterID=965077128

redhouse@jabber.casrules.com (18:39:20): that is what the external id in the rev="" is for

March 17, 2016

redhouse@jabber.casrules.com (16:42:57): there aren't that many pilots, best thing is to evemail them a questionaire

redhouse@jabber.casrules.com (16:43:17): because you can't entirely know what engagement they have with the game after a ccd

redhouse@jabber.casrules.com (16:43:48): but i suggested using the api as it does indicate some factors, that and the last killmail for the pilot gives some information

robbertsmith@jabber.casrules.com (16:43:58): There are more than 1400 pilots.

redhouse@jabber.casrules.com (16:44:14): there are only 150 on this last ccd

redhouse@jabber.casrules.com (16:44:31): and it's easy enough to narrow that down to those who have never been on a ccd before

robbertsmith@jabber.casrules.com (16:44:35): We were going to check if they ended up joining a player corp.

redhouse@jabber.casrules.com (16:44:38): so each ccd there are only so many new players

robbertsmith@jabber.casrules.com (16:44:51): Since employment history is on the public API.

redhouse@jabber.casrules.com (16:44:54): really? because it sounded like he didn't think of that when i suggested it

redhouse@jabber.casrules.com (16:45:10): that is why i sent you that info

redhouse@jabber.casrules.com (16:45:55): but you can't tell if a player stays in eve (any pays money effectively) if they stay and PVE

redhouse@jabber.casrules.com (16:46:07): and don't join a corp, hence the suggestion to send out a questionaire

robbertsmith@jabber.casrules.com (16:46:13): I checked. There are 1409 unique pilots on a CCD kill mail.

redhouse@jabber.casrules.com (16:46:29): what does that mean 'on a ccd kill mail'

robbertsmith@jabber.casrules.com (16:46:57): Is a participant on a kill listed under a CCD event.

redhouse@jabber.casrules.com (16:46:58): before you send the questionaire you'd obviously whittle the list down to those who were first timers

redhouse@jabber.casrules.com (16:49:09): what is the argument that is being made here anyway?

redhouse@jabber.casrules.com (16:49:25): that ccd has some valueble impact for CCP thus give us some love?

robbertsmith@jabber.casrules.com (16:50:01): The point of finding a random sample of CAS that haven't attended CCD is to show that CCD participants convert to social players at higher rates.

robbertsmith@jabber.casrules.com (16:50:26): Thus activities like CCD help make good Eve players.

redhouse@jabber.casrules.com (16:50:42): 'good' players is going to be hard to define

redhouse@jabber.casrules.com (16:50:50): and this is essentially what i was saying about engagement

redhouse@jabber.casrules.com (16:50:57): that they stay as paying players

redhouse@jabber.casrules.com (16:51:27): so you want to find players that haven't yet gone on a ccd, or players that went on their first ccd.

robbertsmith@jabber.casrules.com (16:51:50): CCP has said in the past that a player that engages in the social aspects of Eve stay longer than those who PVE only.

redhouse@jabber.casrules.com (16:52:20): ok, then what are the hallmarks of the social aspects

robbertsmith@jabber.casrules.com (16:52:21): So I only have to show that CCD pilots engage more socially.

redhouse@jabber.casrules.com (16:52:26): killmails, corporations, what else?

robbertsmith@jabber.casrules.com (16:52:43): Joining a Player Corp.

redhouse@jabber.casrules.com (16:52:44): yeah, i don't know how you're going to measure that w/o a questionaire

robbertsmith@jabber.casrules.com (16:52:56): It's on the public API.

redhouse@jabber.casrules.com (16:52:58): there are few publicly available metrics unfortunatly

redhouse@jabber.casrules.com (16:53:07): yeah, i mentioned that

robbertsmith@jabber.casrules.com (16:53:28): So... Why do we keep coming back to how to do it?

redhouse@jabber.casrules.com (16:53:51): well that doesn't really cover it does it

redhouse@jabber.casrules.com (16:53:56): because you could stay in cas

redhouse@jabber.casrules.com (16:54:22): so how many that don't get on kms, and don't join corps fit into the good pilot structure

redhouse@jabber.casrules.com (16:54:46): i mean in talking to niko it sounded like there weren't enough measures for this

redhouse@jabber.casrules.com (16:57:28): very strange though that niko said he was taking notes when i suggested to use the api for corp switches, why would you say that if you already knew it

robbertsmith@jabber.casrules.com (16:57:33): There's zkill, but it's not 100% accurate.

redhouse@jabber.casrules.com (16:58:55): yeah those are the 2 i can see, and not just zkill but killboards in general, and the api. you can get a 3rd if you eliminate all of the known active pilots, and pilots that have already shown engagement in the first two by sending an email and getting a response

robbertsmith@jabber.casrules.com (17:00:41): I'm not planning to send a questionnaire. To much work.

redhouse@jabber.casrules.com (17:00:53): i think it can be done via api also

redhouse@jabber.casrules.com (17:01:14): but niko might be interested, this sounds like his fight anyway

redhouse@jabber.casrules.com (17:02:40): i can probably provide a list of pilot names and/or ids vs their last kill on our kb

robbertsmith@jabber.casrules.com (17:06:19): Nico told me that you didn't want to share the whole database. Is there a particular issue?

redhouse@jabber.casrules.com (17:06:35): i won't be sharing the db

redhouse@jabber.casrules.com (17:08:15): were done here