i'm high

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**kirb**

* Toriko destroys mountain in one 50 fold blow
 * Starjun takes 50 and 100 folds without significant harm
* he gets amped
* Starjun melts a lot of iron really good and fast

starjun exists and make hot good prove you don't die

**crim**

* naruto busts mountain ranges with the bubblegum dishu drama

 * It cuts trees and attacks cells
 * Naruto wields a lot
 * chops down a mountain+ sized tree

* "Naruto and his clones have a Avatar they can instantly summon"
 * blunt durability
* speed amp
* "Madara can vaporize hundreds hundreds of tons of water instantly" and naruto is way above this

naruto might do this one thing, but he might also do a bunch of other things, these things would make him win, also starjun can't hurt him with his heat

**Kirbin**

* the mountains are shorter than trees
 * toriko bigger
* toriko busts trillions of tons/30
 * starjun stronger than this
* "All of it is predicated on this being "vaporizes hundreds of tons of water" because in the second panel there is steam? Even though there's no actual indication all of it was vaporized."

**crim**

* perspective, the mountains are actually big
 * ergo "My shit is still good" also reiteration of multi mountain whatever

* "The next panel shows a cloud of steam enveloping the scene (a characteristic of vaporization)"

https://i.imgur.com/LW1OVwO.png

* Naruto can fly

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* Toriko destroys mountains while multiplied
 * Starjun takes multiplied hits and doesn't get harmed
* [Starjun objectively melts a lot of iron good and fast](https://i.imgur.com/sxAs5pj.png)
 * Starjun produces this heat essentially by just being around or attacking once

* Naruto busts mountain ranges with the biju daisu ramen
 * The attack pierces
* Naruto can summon an avatar
* Naruto can amp his speed
* Naruto can use his clones
* Naruto can fly


Yea I don't actually see why most of the debate matters as is, Starjun's defense was ultimately poorly attacked, while I can definitely buy "Naruto produces offense that is capable of harming starjun" the actual first action he takes is incredibly unclear, him doing specifically what he needs to win is unclear.

The major point of contention in this debate was really just the water scan, so little argumentation is made on this that I'm basically just forming an opinion of the scene, but I don't think this is really provably vaporization in any sense, this is a maybe to an objectively yes. If Crim had focused on some kind of specific claim like "this is enough for him to fly away" or really just predicated much on anything but seemingly Naruto just tanking the heat indefinitely I would probably be way more partial to give Naruto the victory.


tl;dr Kirbin wins with less assumptions

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#FJ vs Corv

Corv adequately explained why Ross wouldn't capitalize on or why Broly would sustain pretty much every relevant esoteric. It's pretty easy to believe Broly hitting harder in the context of this debate or in general so even if Ross played every advantage he at best has a a pretty unreliable shot with the gamma blaster, which was also argued against effectively. Though I would say FJ argued fairly well for a character who in all likelihood falls to earth and dies as soon as broly tackles him

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#Josh vs Ame

* Are the (DC) mountains real?

I don't know, but I'm pretty convinced that the feat being in the mountain range doesn't mean it defaults to being as large as implied even if specifically a mountain, and most of the physical arguments from Ame are dependent on the mountains being valid.

I didn't buy the heat arguments even before Josh had countered them, and Josh said pretty much everything he would have possibly needed to. There's no way someone who sleeps through 3000 f is being massively harmed by a max output of 5,000. Josh also convincingly argues that the heat would be much higher. Radiation isn't a viable win condition here.

Bambina is clearly not someone who lacks any durability in the context of being able to deliver his own attacks, Toriko sustaining damage on his arm is pretty good proof that the author is aware "when i punch something it can hurt me if i'm too strong for my durability"

The physics argument seems to have the general problem of modeling everything as perfectly smooth objects in a vacuum, it's definitely a stretch to imply Bambina is only very specifically durable in this one specific way any only when throwing things. Not even to imply he has like, impressive relative durability in the context of human fighters vs human fighters,  but he's clearly going to be able to easily destroy himself or something.

I have literally no idea how the moon feat would remain "good" and "not fake" while even vaguely aligning with tier values

**Josh wins**