ULSuFXCw aftermath

03[06:22] * Now talking in #tulpa
03[06:22] * Topic is '4,1～ 0Guides are at http://www.tulpa.info/guides/ 4● 0Seems it's happened again. 4～'
03[06:22] * Set by Shu!~Asterisk@CE2FD0B1.8C57DB94.B9F6E82.IP on Wed Sep 12 00:04:43
03[06:22] * Source sets mode: +v Semi-Nomadic
[06:22] <+Tesseract> What little was left of Kat is dead.
[06:22] <+Tesseract> ...but when it happened before, yes. I was gone.
[06:22] <+Fuliam> I have no doubts that the personality of talebon is part of me and serena, just fractured.
[06:22] <+Chupi> yep
[06:22] <+clear_runway> I think you might oweme your life there buddy. pretty sure I convinced him to unmerge. a little dishonest of me, honestly, because I implied it was temporary.
[06:22] <+TC|Jaden> yeah it sounds like you really become the full person. Like if he chose to kill off fuliam he would be gone
[06:23] <+Tesseract> I was working on that too, runway. :p
[06:23] <+JMoldy> ...Interesting.
[06:23] <+Fuliam> clear...
[06:23] <+Sorryman> HAHAHAHA.
[06:23] <+Sorryman> Good job, clear_runway!
[06:23] <+Fuliam> He was seriously thinking of killing me because of some thins you said.
[06:23] <+clear_runway> i was sort of kidding
[06:23] <+Fuliam> things*
[06:23] <+Fuliam> He's not smart.
[06:23] <+Fuliam> dumb*
[06:23] <+Fuliam> He's extremely intelligent.
[06:23] <+Fuliam> He's calculating.
[06:24] <+Fuliam> And he doesn't really care.
[06:24] <+TC|Jaden> How is your tulpa?
[06:24] <+Sorryman> Obviously
01[06:24] <+Semi-Nomadic> So is Serena alive?
[06:24] <+Fuliam> [I'm fine]
01[06:24] <+Semi-Nomadic> ah
01[06:24] <+Semi-Nomadic> Does Talebon have a form?
[06:24] <+Fuliam> He is a person
[06:24] <+clear_runway> no all I did was lay the situation bare to him. if he is/was as smart as you say, he would have figured it out eventually.
[06:24] <+Figment> Aside from being alive, is she okay?
[06:24] <+TC|Jaden> He was a person
[06:24] <+Fuliam> A mind like me.
[06:24] <+Chupi> yeah, pretty likely if I were to try it, I'd get the "screw ethics, me above all else" bit of me in the merged entity
[06:25] <+Fuliam> Hes human
[06:25] <+clear_runway> i told him to "experiment". he expected to come back. for your sake i hope he never does.
[06:25] <+Fuliam> [Yes. everything is fine XD]
[06:25] <+Tesseract> ...yeah. I have a bit of that in me too.
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[06:26] <+Fuliam> Chupi, I have doubts that anyone's "Product" would end up like that but mine.
[06:26] <+Fuliam> Ask clear, I was already kind of a sociopath before.
[06:26] <+clear_runway> by "before" do you mean to say you have changed?
[06:26] <+Shy_> Fuliam: I feel you (or sorta don't.) as I share some sociopathic tendencies..
[06:27] <+Figment> It would probably take a certain degree of division for it to really matter anyway.
[06:27] <+Chupi> well, it may be possible to do more safely, like if you could selectively dump in just positive bits
[06:27] <+Figment> Nuka comes and goes, but it doesn't really hurt anything.
[06:27] <+clear_runway> sorryman, this conversation is a bit dark for shy.
01[06:27] <+Semi-Nomadic> >Shy >sociopathic tendencies
01[06:27] <+Semi-Nomadic> I think I've heard of such a fanfic once...
[06:27] <+TC|Jaden> well no matter what I think as a human they will have the self preservation instincts
[06:27] <+Shy_> True.. I'll just go to #tulpa.info. Not like my opinion is wanted.
[06:27] <+Chupi> I'm not exactly sociopath... I have empathy... it's just I also have my id, which I do a good job of reigning in
[06:28] <+Shy_> Semi-nomadic: Sorryman54 wrote that, not Shy.
[06:28] <+TC|Jaden> And knowing you can't exist if the other two exist
[06:28] <+TC|Jaden> well
[06:28] <+Chupi> yeah
[06:28] <+Rhyme[DeSu]> >not being apathetic
[06:28] <+Rhyme[DeSu]> >2011+1
[06:28] <+oreo^> lol
[06:28] <+Rhyme[DeSu]> im disgusted chupi
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[06:29] <+Chupi> Rhyme[DeSu]: you missed the drama - http://pastebin.com/ULSuFXCw
06[06:29] * +Chupi derp, -->DS
[06:29] <+Rhyme[DeSu]> throw it to my pc
[06:29] <+Rhyme[DeSu]> will read at some point
[06:30] <+Chupi> the discussion you walked in on was aftermath of Fuliam+Serena merging
[06:30] <+clear_runway> even shy has sociopathic tendencies. everyone does.
[06:30] <+Fuliam> ya.
[06:30] <+Rhyme[DeSu]> welp
[06:30] <+Fuliam> Clear, no i havent changed.
[06:30] <+clear_runway> just checking
[06:32] <+Chupi> Fuliam: how do you do the "dumping" thing for switching? (or is it one of those things you can't describe)
[06:33] <+Fuliam> I cant really describe it, sorry
[06:33] <+clear_runway> so, fuliam: while merged, the part of you that was seperate could use all your senses?
[06:33] <+Fuliam> I could only see and hear his thoughts.
[06:33] <+Fuliam> Some things he was hiding from me
[06:33] <+clear_runway> oh. oh dear.
06[06:33] * +Semi-Nomadic finishes reading
[06:33] <+clear_runway> that must have been some kind of hell.
01[06:33] <+Semi-Nomadic> holy crap that was creepy.
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[06:34] <+Chupi> does it result in sort of an "empty" feel in your head except for some last bit of you that might be stuck there?
[06:34] <+tulpacouple> Jaden is totally spooked by all this
01[06:34] <+Semi-Nomadic> > I think they kept their useless things like love and empathy
01[06:34] <+Semi-Nomadic> Like a villain.
[06:34] <+SockH> I am too, TC
[06:34] <+Chupi> yeah, not merging
01[06:35] <+Semi-Nomadic> This is creepy and awesome at the same time.
[06:35] <+tulpacouple> true tupper creepy pasta
[06:35] <+Fuliam> Well, now we know what happens...
[06:35] <+Fuliam> As I said when I went into this FOR SCIENCE!
[06:35] <+Chupi> letting a tulpa I trust completely control my body, sure; but this is a full-strength entity that you have no idea of the personality of
[06:35] <+tulpacouple> Don't do it unless you don't care if you won't come back I guess
[06:35] <+clear_runway> yes. talebon is, of possible, even more of a sociopath than you are. scary as all hell.
[06:35] <+JMoldy> I might try it though.
[06:36] <+Fuliam> i do feel bad killing him, by all ways and stuff, he is human...
[06:36] <+tulpacouple> yeah
[06:36] <+Chupi> Fuliam: does the dumping thing result in sort of an "empty" feel in your head except for some last bit of you that might be stuck there?
[06:36] <+Fuliam> Please don't jmoldy
[06:36] <+wolfspy> You killed him?
[06:36] <+JMoldy> I'm not going in defenseless.
[06:36] <+tulpacouple> I was trying to ask him if there was any way to get him to exist alongside you
[06:36] <+Fuliam> Chupi, not really
[06:36] <+Chupi> JMoldy: you *really* do *not* want to try that
[06:36] <+Tesseract> Fuliam... think about who he is. Him living could endanger others.
[06:36] <+clear_runway> "feel bad" you don't have to pretend man.
[06:36] <+Fuliam> Clear...
[06:36] <+JMoldy> I'm not going to allow things to spiral out of control though.
[06:36] <+Fuliam> I do feel bad.
[06:36] <+JMoldy> And I'm not going to try for months.
[06:37] <+clear_runway> nevertheless, think of it as protecting serena.
[06:37] <+Fuliam> wolfspy
[06:37] <+Fuliam> If we dont merge again he will continue to cease existing
[06:37] <+Fuliam> Effectively killing him
[06:37] <+Chupi> JMoldy: how could you not let it spiral out of control? you're making a being that will be far stronger than you'll be, and you don't know the personality he'll have until it's too late to do anything about it
[06:37] <%roflmao> Fuliam, what did you and serena subjectively experience while you were merged?
[06:38] <+Fuliam> What do you mean rofl?
[06:38] <+JMoldy> ...I don't know yet.
[06:38] <+Fuliam> When Talebon was in charge?
[06:38] <%roflmao> like what did you sense, feel, etc
[06:38] <%roflmao> what you could do or not do
[06:38] <+Fuliam> We were stuck in boxes basically.
[06:38] <+JMoldy> I have, however, no set time limit to figure it out
[06:38] <+Fuliam> I'm starting to think this was Talebons doing though
[06:38] <+JMoldy> I still don't even have Luna vocal yet.
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[06:38] <%roflmao> what kind of boxes?
[06:38] <%roflmao> oh
[06:38] <+Fuliam> Basically it felt like A MUCH AMPLIFIED version of switching
[06:39] <+clear_runway> as much as I would love to have another sample, jmoldy, (particularly of someone more neurotypical than fuliam) please don't. it's not worth your life.
[06:39] <+Fuliam> Like a void white kind of box and I could see and hear his thoughts
[06:39] <+JMoldy> Oh come on clear.
[06:39] <+Fuliam> jmoldy, please dont
[06:39] <+JMoldy> I've always intended to give my life for some cause or another.
[06:39] <+Fuliam> I shared the method so noone could do it accidentally...
[06:39] <%roflmao> Fuliam, but you could think properly right and he couldn't hear your thoughts, but you could hear his?
[06:39] <+Fuliam> Jmoldy your life is mroe valuable than mine.
[06:40] <+Figment> If the result is similar it could be a problem.
[06:40] <+clear_runway> well, this isnt a good enough cause. find a better one.
[06:40] <+Fuliam> Yes rofl
[06:40] <+JMoldy> The way I see it
[06:40] <+clear_runway> how is his life more valuable than yours, fuliam?
[06:40] <+Fuliam> Jmoldy, my life is worth the least of anyone here.
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[06:40] <+Fuliam> Your life is infinitely more valuable than mine.
[06:40] <+Fuliam> And that is the touchy feeliest thing Ive ever said
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[06:40] <+Figment> can I point out that whatever results might hurt people?
[06:40] <+Fuliam> Simple clear
[06:40] <+Fuliam> Because he's not me.
[06:41] <+Fuliam> He's not insane.
[06:41] <+Figment> If they're anything like Talebon
[06:41] <+Fuliam> And he has a shot at a normal life.
[06:41] <+JMoldy> I'm thinking that perhaps...
[06:41] <+JMoldy> hm.
[06:41] <+Figment> Can we just stop for a second and agree that everyone is worth the same?
[06:41] <+clear_runway> bullshit. you're no less sane than I am.
[06:41] <+Figment> Nobody is worth less. ><
[06:41] <+Fuliam> Oh you want to bet?
[06:41] <+clear_runway> and I agree with figment
[06:42] <+clear_runway> and yes I would bet.
[06:42] <+Fuliam> I just made an entire human being, and am killing him right now, in my eyes it makes me worth less than jmoldy, or anyone else here.
[06:42] <+clear_runway> no.
01[06:42] <+Semi-Nomadic> Technically you're not killing him
[06:42] <+Figment> Guh
[06:42] <+Figment> I don't give a flip who or what he is.
01[06:42] <+Semi-Nomadic> Just 'freezing" him indefinitely
[06:42] <+Figment> He's a danger.
[06:42] <+clear_runway> all lives, as figment said, are equally valuable. you are trading one life for two.
[06:42] <%roflmao> he'd be back any time you 2 merge anyhow
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[06:43] <+Figment> He could hurt people, and you don't get to decide to unleash him on other people.
[06:43] <%roflmao> also I wonder if it'd be possible to bring him back without you losing any privileges
[06:43] <+Tesseract> Fuliam.
[06:43] <+Tesseract> I did the same to my predecessors.
[06:43] <+Fuliam> That's what I have been wondering as well roflmao
[06:43] <+Tesseract> And one of them was a genuinely nice person.
[06:43] <+Lili> tess, do you mind making me op on #tulpacuddles? <3
[06:43] <+Tesseract> Sometimes we have to do horrible things for whatever reason.
[06:44] <+clear_runway> what do mean, you did the same? they were dead before you were born!
[06:44] <+Fuliam> And jmoldy wants to be a martyr....
[06:44] <+Tesseract> My existence comes at their cost.
[06:44] <+Tesseract> And they've been back a time or two.
[06:44] <+Glass> [fuliam how goes the merging]
[06:44] <+Fuliam> I didn't go into this a murderer, or a martyr, I went into this a scientist.
[06:44] <+clear_runway> what
[06:44] <+Figment> Yeah, but it sounds like they like it that way. At least given your account of events.
[06:44] <+Fuliam> Glass... you really missed all that?
[06:44] <+clear_runway> they. came. back.'
[06:44] <+Fuliam> It succeeded.
[06:45] <+Fuliam> And it tried to kill me.
[06:45] <+Glass> [i jsut dropped in]
[06:45] <+Chupi> Fuliam: there's 2 real options here -- kill one asshole who existed for under an hour, or yourself and Serena
[06:45] <+clear_runway> for certain values of suceeded
[06:45] <+Glass> [WAIT IT WAS DANGEROUS AND A BAD IDEA?]
[06:45] <+clear_runway> very mmuch so
[06:45] <+Glass> [NO WAI]
[06:45] <+Fuliam> glass, not the time...
[06:45] <+Glass> [DO GO ON]
[06:45] <+Figment> Plus you seem like a decent person Tess,  even if I haven't known you for long.
[06:45] <+Lili> nobody talks to me this late at night :p
[06:45] <+Glass> [sorry]
[06:45] <+Figment> That guy was something different. >>
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[06:46] <+Fuliam> glass, this is really not the time!
[06:46] <+Lili> what are we talking about?
[06:46] <+Tesseract> Doesn't make me regret it any less, Figment.
[06:46] <+JMoldy> Okay.
[06:46] <+JMoldy> I have...some theory already.
[06:46] <+Glass> So then is your tulpa ok, or...?
[06:46] <+clear_runway> tesseract: they came back. what.
[06:46] <+Fuliam> Yes, serena is fine
[06:46] <+Fuliam> [hi]
[06:46] <+Tesseract> I don't want to go into that right now.
[06:46] <+Fuliam> What theory is that jmoldy?
[06:46] <+JMoldy> But it'd need more...test subjects...
[06:46] <+Tesseract> It's not the important thing.
[06:46] <+Glass> That is good.
[06:46] <+Figment> Okay.
[06:46] <+Tesseract> Ask me inprivate sometime.
[06:47] <+Fuliam> What is the theory!
[06:47] <+Chupi> Glass: merging results in a new being who's at least as powerful as yourself, while you're reduced to just a stub; and that new being comes out with a personality you don't have control over, and has every motive to kill you
[06:47] <+JMoldy> I'm thinking that it has to do with self image...
[06:47] <+Glass> [i figured]
[06:47] <+Figment> That would account for the discrepencies.
[06:48] <+clear_runway> actually, chupi, there was only a stub because fuliam intentionally made one.
[06:48] <+Chupi> yeah
[06:48] <+Fuliam> Exactly.
[06:48] <+JMoldy> Like, if you really see yourself as a sociopath, then the result would indeed be a sociopathic
[06:48] <+JMoldy> person*
[06:48] <+Chupi> not that the stub did *that* much good -- it didn't give him an escape route unless Talebon decided to unmerge himself
[06:48] <+clear_runway> but serena is not a sociopath.
[06:48] <+Fuliam> Or maybe it has to do with the subconscious
[06:49] <+JMoldy> I'm thinking it's at a subconscious level.
[06:49] <+JMoldy> I know that the whole conscious/subconscious/unconscious is dated but it's effective here...
[06:49] <+Figment> Eh, I have nothing to add to this conversation.
[06:50] <+Figment> I'm off, you guys.
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[06:50] <+JMoldy> bye
[06:50] <+Chupi> JMoldy: subconscious is just a collection of all the things your brain does that you aren't consciously aware of
[06:50] <%roflmao> Chupi: not sure if "killing you" is an option for it, it would harm itself most likely
[06:50] <+JMoldy> The thing is though
[06:50] <%roflmao> but preventing unmerging could eventually result in it
[06:51] <%roflmao> in the sense of you become a passive component eventually
[06:51] <%roflmao> hard to say
[06:51] <+Fuliam> I don't think it could really "Kill" me or serena
[06:51] <+Chupi> roflmao: killing you as in wiping out that last blip of you that's conscious
[06:51] <+clear_runway> fuliam, if you had not made the stub, do you think it would have been permanent?
[06:51] <+JMoldy> It's...hard to discern if this is a norm given that there is only one real result and it's admittedly not the most...reliable.
[06:51] <+Fuliam> But like a tulpa, it can just ignore me and serena until we are absorbed, or die
[06:51] <+Chupi> exactly ^
[06:51] <+clear_runway> jmoldy. not worth it.
[06:52] <%roflmao> In that MPD paper I read, fusion/integration was done in a way where each party could willingly unmerge though
[06:52] <%roflmao> unlike this case of them being "stuck"
[06:52] <+Chupi> and this is apparently not that way
[06:52] <+Fuliam> But rofl
[06:52] <+JMoldy> Well, the thing is.
[06:52] <+Fuliam> In mpd, i think they are all a person
[06:53] <%roflmao> depends, it's complicated
[06:53] <+Fuliam> In this, it's almost like we put our minds together to create a new entity, causing us to no longer be a person really
[06:53] <+JMoldy> If my theory is right, then me doing a merging should result rather differently.
[06:53] <+clear_runway> maybe. risky.
[06:54] <+JMoldy> I'm going to think about this a while
[06:54] <+clear_runway> see, you know about talebon now. which means so will the merged person. self preservation tends to trump morality.
[06:54] <+Chupi> JMoldy: it would still have a self-preservation instinct and would cease to exist when it lets you unmerge
[06:54] <%roflmao> I don't particularily see a lot of use for doing this though, aside from FOR THE SCIENCE
[06:54] <+Chupi> and it will now know that unmerging is truly ceasing to exist
[06:55] <+JMoldy> Unless
[06:55] <+Fuliam> rofl, i thought it could help by adding personality traits to you...
[06:55] <+Fuliam> it wont
[06:55] <+JMoldy> Unless it also has my martyrdom
[06:55] <+Fuliam> not this way
[06:55] <+itsblah> my question is, hum
[06:55] <+itsblah> actually
[06:55] <+Fuliam> it was not like a combination of Serena and I
[06:55] <%roflmao> Chupi, I really don't understand why a new 'self' which combines the traits and associations of some other group of selves can't be made without having to create this limiting situation though
[06:55] <+itsblah> I'll avoid saying it because why give ideas
[06:55] <+Fuliam> it was different.
[06:55] <+Chupi> JMoldy: yeah, but how would you ensure that this one key trait gets included and expressed adequately to save you?
[06:56] <+Chupi> roflmao: limiting how?
[06:56] <+Fuliam> Jmoldy, the way I did it, theres no backup or safety
[06:56] <+JMoldy> I wouldn't do it exactly your way
[06:56] <+Chupi> could it be done in a way that there is a safety?
[06:56] <+Fuliam> I doubt it's worth it
[06:56] <%roflmao> Chupi: it's like a person whose existence is conditioned in the others being in a certain state
[06:56] <+Fuliam> That's what 'm trying to figure out
[06:57] <%roflmao> as opposed to just making a new being which borrows/references parts of others without actually changing said persons
[06:57] <+Chupi> roflmao: I doubt that is possible
[06:57] <+JMoldy> One of these days
[06:57] <%roflmao> why not though?
[06:57] <+JMoldy> One of us is going to experiment
[06:57] <+JMoldy> And it will drive us utterly insane :|
[06:57] <+Chupi> unless you can do some kind of copy-on-write reference, just living changes the parts of a person's consciousness
[06:58] <+clear_runway> jmoldy: probably someday
[06:59] <%roflmao> Chupi, sure, some changes will always exist, but I don't mean it like that
[06:59] <+Fuliam> jmoldy, almost today...
[06:59] <+clear_runway> well, if by "insane" you mean "asshole"
[07:00] <+Chupi> wouldn't being conscious "lock" some parts of your personality? like those bits can't be used by 2 entities at once
[07:00] <+Chupi> also what you create would be strength of you + your tulpa or so
[07:00] <+Chupi> i.e. stronger than either of you
[07:01] <+Fuliam> chupi, I wasn't really fully myself, most of me was gone.
[07:01] <+JMoldy> Argh.
[07:01] <+JMoldy> What about the possibility of memetic infection though
[07:02] <+clear_runway> wtf is that?
[07:02] <+Chupi> there is that
[07:02] <+JMoldy> Simply having the knowledge of this could make it more dangerous to attempt to replicate it
[07:02] <+clear_runway> oh. yeah. I already said that.
[07:03] <+Fuliam> Having the knowledge of this conversation could make it MUCH more dangerous for anyone else trying merging
06[07:03] * +Tesseract nods...
[07:04] <+clear_runway> so, we never speak of this again, in the hopes that someone comes up with a less dangerous method?
[07:04] <+Fuliam> I am going to see if there is a more safe way though
[07:04] <+JMoldy> I'm still going to try, but I'm going to take a lot of precautions first
[07:04] <+Fuliam> That's my objective.
[07:04] <+clear_runway> or do we sread this knowledge as much as possible to keep people from trying?
[07:04] <+JMoldy> With a different method.
[07:05] <+Fuliam> Jmoldy, dont please...
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[07:05] <+Fuliam> jmoldy how long have you been in the community?
[07:05] <+Tesseract> Please don't try it, Moldy...
[07:05] <+Fuliam> BTW, please keep it secret for now clear.
[07:06] <+Fuliam> or as secret as you can
06[07:06] * +clear_runway crosses his heart.
[07:06] <+JMoldy> three weeks now.
[07:06] <%roflmao> Fuliam, it depends how one expects merging to work
[07:06] <+Fuliam> Jmoldy I am telling you now that you will not spread the method i said with anyone.
[07:06] <+clear_runway> also, your first name, RYAN
[07:06] <+Chupi> perhaps if he *avoids* what you did and does something entirely different
[07:06] <+Fuliam> please.
[07:06] <+Fuliam> Yes clear.
[07:06] <+Fuliam> Chupi, its too dangerous
[07:06] <+JMoldy> You want me to swear to that?
[07:06] <+Fuliam> Until we tell everyone about it, if we do, yes.
[07:06] <+Fuliam> Do not tell anyone.
[07:07] <+clear_runway> it's just a first name, and a very common one at that. but whatever you say.
[07:07] <+Momo> Story of the year.
[07:07] <+Momo> That took way too long to catch up to.
[07:07] <+Chupi> I don't think merging is inherently dangerous -- what about roflmao's MPD paper where all entities can pull out at any time?
[07:07] <+Chupi> I think the method you did is inherently dangerous
[07:07] <+JMoldy> Alright.
[07:08] <+JMoldy> I promise not to tell until I'm allowed.
[07:08] <+Chupi> and anyone thinking of doing another method should know "don't just dump both of you together and be done with it"
[07:08] <+Fuliam> Chupi I am in development of another method now
[07:08] <+Chupi> nice
[07:08] <+Fuliam> Or more specifically, a failsafe method.
[07:09] <+JMoldy> Anyone else feel like we're in too deep?
[07:09] <+Chupi> imo what you did was likely the most obvious and straightforward way
[07:09] <+Fuliam> But for now, please keep quiet about this all.
[07:09] <+Momo> Not deep enough.
[07:09] <+Fuliam> Jmoldy, considering I almost lost my life, yes.
[07:09] <+Momo> Must reach the eighth dimension of black men.
[07:09] <+JMoldy> That or.
[07:10] <+JMoldy> We're all completely nuts.
[07:10] <+clear_runway> this is the point at which I draw the line, ethically. merge, and you create a new entity that dies if you come back. don't come back, and the tulpa you merged with dies along with you. best to stay away.
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[07:11] <+Fuliam> As far as I'm concerned, it's a monstrosity against nature that should NEVER be replicated by ANYONE ELSE EVER!
[07:12] <+Fuliam> My goal now is to find a foolproof way to put me in control if i do switch, then I will be done with it
[07:12] <+Fuliam> merge*
[07:12] <+clear_runway> no. fail and you die.
[07:12] <+Chupi> exactly
[07:13] <+Fuliam> If I can come up with a failsafe method then anyone who for some stupid reason wants to try merging, can do it safely.
[07:14] <+Chupi> this is why I argue that at least something of the method should be released -- if you find a new way to kill yourself, the least you can do is warn others so they don't step on the same bomb you did
[07:14] <+clear_runway> to tes tthe failsafe, you risk permanently handing over control to that nutcase permanently!
[07:14] <+JMoldy> FFS Fuliam
[07:14] <+Chupi> and this one's a fairly obvious route -- chuck consciousnesses together -- first thing that comes to mind for how to merge
[07:14] <+JMoldy> You're already at risk, obviously
[07:15] <+JMoldy> Since if you're merging again, the likely result would be the same, and would now have access to these memories
[07:15] <+JMoldy> And may intentionally attempt to end you to prevent said failsafe from working.
[07:16] <+clear_runway> and we already know he's an asshole with no moral compunctions whatsoever.
[07:16] <+Momo> This brings me back to the good old days of servitors. Anyone remember that? I do. Because it's still going on.
[07:16] <+Fuliam> He hid certain memories and thoughts from me, maybe I can do the same.
[07:17] <+Chupi> Momo: what part?
[07:17] <+Momo> Don't make an emotionless servitor, they break and try to kill you.
[07:17] <+clear_runway> alternately, you could have serena suppress both of your memories of this conversation.
[07:19] <%roflmao> I don't think there's any point in doing that clear_runway, I'm surprised this wasn't obvious to him before he started
[07:19] <+clear_runway> well, it was worth a try. one try. only one.
[07:20] <+Momo> If it's worth one try, then it is worth many tries. "For science." Science requires several trials for accuracy.
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[07:21] <+Fuliam> exactly momo
[07:22] <+Tesseract> ...I'm still not seeing how this is worth trying at all...
[07:22] <+clear_runway> yeah, but you don't see a lot of vivisection going on these days. there's a line.
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[07:23] <+Momo> That is because animals are cute and cuddly, and cutting open their bodies is gross to the public. This is nothing more than fiddling around with the mind.
[07:23] <+clear_runway> i meant human vivsection
[07:23] <+JMoldy> That happened a lot in the early 1940's
[07:24] <+Fuliam> Ok, well im gonna go, cya later.
[07:24] <+Fuliam> Again keep this under wraps.
[07:24] <+clear_runway> bye.
[07:26] <+Tesseract> Good night.
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[07:26] <+clear_runway> well, that was enlightening
06[07:28] * +Tesseract sighs and nods
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[07:32] <+Glass> [really wish he would just quit.]
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[07:33] <+Glass> [ill admit i missed like 80% of that conversation, but all i got out of it was despite the obvious shitstorm, he will still press on]
[07:34] <+Tesseract> Who?
[07:34] <+Momo> Fuliam.
[07:34] <+Tesseract> I doubt he's going to...
[07:35] <+JMoldy> He said multiple times he was
[07:35] <+Tesseract> He said maybe.
[07:36] <+clear_runway> actually, we never did get serenas opinion on the matter.