[23:34:29] Sir Klaus: are you serious?
[23:34:38] +Srn: take a guess
[23:34:51] Sir Klaus: let me say this makes nonsense
[23:35:03] Sir Klaus: so if I say stalin
[23:35:06] Sir Klaus: nothing happens
[23:35:10] Sir Klaus: if I say hitler
[23:35:14] Sir Klaus: 7 min ban
[23:35:19] Sir Klaus: explain this ruling please
[23:35:27] Sir Klaus: and I wont complain
[23:36:03] +Srn: chat has historically turned to shit when people like hitler are mentioned, but the same is not true of other historically significant figures that may be just as bad or whatever
[23:40:20] Sir Klaus: You just made a brainless ban
[23:40:43] +Srn: your 7 minute mute is almost done and you're still making a big deal of it :/
[23:41:07] Sir Klaus: its not the time, it doesnt matter
[23:41:14] +Srn: no it kind of does
[23:41:17] Sir Klaus: its about the reasoning
[23:41:22] +Srn: what you did wasn't really a big problem so
[23:41:27] +Srn: a light 7 min mute was appropriate
[23:41:34] +Srn: i wasn't gonna ban you over something that small
[23:41:40] Sir Klaus: once again, its not about the ban time
[23:41:57] Sir Klaus: its about the act of banning because of a brainless reasoning
[23:42:21] +Srn: well i explained and
[23:42:25] Sir Klaus: what if someone's lastname is hitler
[23:42:28] +Srn: you said you wouldnt complain
[23:42:32] Sir Klaus: because its a lastname you know?
[23:43:10] +Srn: why would you be talking about your last name in a pokemon chat room? I'm just going to mute you regardless because you should have the brainpower to realize its inappropriate
[23:43:49] Sir Klaus: you just dont understand whats my point
[23:44:04] +Srn: you're saying my reasoning is brainless
[23:44:07] Sir Klaus: yes
[23:44:08] +Srn: without actually telling me why
[23:44:22] Sir Klaus: because saying hitler its not offensive man
[23:44:40] Sir Klaus: its like getting banned because of saying "satan" or something
[23:44:53] +Srn: Im telling you its offensive
[23:45:02] +Srn: and my punishments are up to my discretion, not yours
[23:45:14] +Srn: if you dont like it, you dont have to talk in this room
[23:45:14] Sir Klaus: your punishments are brainless
[23:45:25] +Srn: if you really think saying hitler and satan are on the same level
[23:45:31] +Srn: then i'm not sure what to tell you
[23:45:44] Sir Klaus: I mean I know whats your point
[23:46:01] Sir Klaus: but its all about a stupid social construction
[23:46:56] +Srn: what you're saying might make sense in the academic field or some other place where its relevant and important to discuss history
[23:47:04] +Srn: but its irrelevant and inappropriate to discuss it here
[23:47:27] Sir Klaus: exactly, just irrelevant, not inappropiate
[23:47:55] +Srn: i decide whats inappropriate
[23:48:05] +Srn: and I think i'm being pretty reasonable
[23:49:49] Sir Klaus: so what criteria are you using to decide whats inappropiate?
[23:50:03] Sir Klaus: because its questionable
[23:50:22] +Srn: my personal common sense
[23:50:33] Sir Klaus: what says your common sense
[23:50:57] +Srn: it says that talking about hitler in the chat room of a pokemon simulator is inappropriate
[23:51:21] Sir Klaus: yea "talking about hitler" maybe, I can understand that
[23:51:28] Sir Klaus: but not just mentioning him
[23:51:41] Sir Klaus: do you get it now?
[23:51:45] +Srn: mentioning him leads to talking about him
[23:51:50] +Srn: so I mute upon mention
[23:51:51] Sir Klaus: not necessarily
[23:51:55] +Srn: to discourage anything further
[23:52:10] +Srn: i'm gonna put out the fire when its small ya know
[23:52:19] +Srn: not gonna wait for it to burn my house before i put it out
[23:52:37] +Srn: sure not every small fire will grow
[23:52:44] +Srn: but its kind my job to put it out
[23:53:17] +Srn: in any case, i'm gonna direct you to rule #5
[23:53:22] +Srn: https://pokemonshowdown.com/rules
[23:53:26] Sir Klaus: then why not banning people when they say "stalin" or even "united states government"
[23:53:41] Sir Klaus: following the same logic
[23:53:48] Sir Klaus: according to your common sense
[23:53:52] +Srn: we've been over this before, you're not following the same logic
[23:54:02] +Srn: "[23:36:03] +Srn: chat has historically turned to shit when people like hitler are mentioned, but the same is not true of other historically significant figures that may be just as bad or whatever"
[23:54:35] Sir Klaus: but those words can clearly potentially lead to turn chat into shit too
[23:54:39] Sir Klaus: so whats the point here
[23:55:16] Sir Klaus: you just said you put the fire
[23:56:27] Sir Klaus: btw im surprised Im not getting banned for saying "shit"
[23:57:28] +Srn: i'm not sure you really read and understood what i typed
[23:57:41] +Srn: if I muted for anything that "potentially" turns chat to shit
[23:57:50] +Srn: I might as well just keep chat on modchat +
[23:58:15] +Srn: I mute on mention of "hitler" because it has turned chat to shit several times in the past
[23:58:15] Sir Klaus: you're contradicting yourself then
[23:58:20] +Srn: there's PRECEDENT
[23:58:44] +Srn: if you think something like "us govt" is a fire you're wrong
[23:59:02] Sir Klaus: just because there's not a precedent?
[23:59:12] Sir Klaus: soon or later there will be one
[23:59:13] +Srn: and you don't have the experience moderating the chat I do to really say otherwise
[23:59:57] +Srn: so what am I gonna just ban you because you might say something inappropriate in the future?
[00:00:00] +Srn: that makes no sense
[00:00:45] Sir Klaus: no man thats not the idea, and thats why hitler shouldnt be inappropiate as well
[00:01:07] +Srn: idc why you think it shouldnt be
[00:01:11] +Srn: it already has been
[00:03:52] Sir Klaus: mods should give the example to pokemon community
[00:04:15] Sir Klaus: I've seen some mods disrespecting people several time
[00:04:17] Sir Klaus: times*
[00:04:35] Sir Klaus: and also breaking ou room rules
[00:05:17] Sir Klaus: I think they need better criteria with their decisions
[00:05:26] Sir Klaus: and better criteria when talking in chat
[00:05:38] +Srn: why not take it up with somebody higher than me then
[00:05:51] Sir Klaus: because nothing will change
[00:06:08] +Srn: you clearly care enough to talk about it for more than half an hour with me
[00:06:52] Sir Klaus: yea I had a problem 3 weeks ago, I asked for a help ticket, waited 45 minutes and nobody from gobal stuff could give me a solution
[00:06:57] Sir Klaus: so what can I expect?
[00:08:12] Sir Klaus: I only play at this site because pokemon is funny but stuff organization is just an improvised group of people
[00:08:20] +Srn: try going on smogon forums and talking to upper staff
[00:08:42] +Srn: you can make your posts as long and as detailed as you want and you'll probably get a better response
[00:09:20] Sir Klaus: so can you give me the "hierarchy" of this site?
[00:09:29] Sir Klaus: whats upper than global stuff
[00:09:31] +Srn: or better yet you could help people in chat and become staff yourself
[00:09:36] +Srn: uh type /groups in any room
[00:09:50] +Srn: be the change you want to see :]