some bam conversation

[01:32] ~Piexplode: okay so basically
[01:32] ~Piexplode: we're reaching a point where
[01:32] ~Piexplode: the decisions made on the pokemon and stuff
[01:32] ~Piexplode: will define
[01:32] ~Piexplode: what the metagame looks like
[01:32] ~Piexplode: so what I want to discuss is
[01:32] ~Piexplode: what we want it to look like
[01:32] ~Piexplode: what strategies we want to be used in it
[01:33] ~Piexplode: the balance between offense and defense
[01:33] ~Piexplode: with comparison to other tiers
[01:33] ~WreckDra: Hmm
[01:33] ~Piexplode: you guys can chip in whenever btw it'll be shit if I monologue I can't go on very long
[01:33] ~Piexplode: lol
[01:33] ~Piexplode: one thing that's stuck in my mind was when
[01:33] ~Piexplode: I was introducing Jac to it
[01:33] ~Piexplode: in more detail
[01:33] ~Piexplode: going through the pokemon
[01:33] ~Piexplode: and by the end we were like
[01:34] ~Piexplode: man we're remaking fucking GSC here
[01:34] ~Piexplode: lol
[01:34] ~Piexplode: it's just every pokemon
[01:34] ~Piexplode: is fkin fat
[01:34] ~Piexplode: like 80/80/80 is standard defenses
[01:34] ~Piexplode: but base 100 attack's considered pretty high
[01:34] ~Piexplode: I'm just curious I mean
[01:34] ~Piexplode: I wonder if we feel the BAM pokemon will have
[01:34] ~Piexplode: better coverage
[01:34] ~Piexplode: or more options
[01:34] ~Piexplode: that that will lead to
[01:35] ~Piexplode: fast and powerful offensive styles
[01:35] ~Piexplode: being viable
[01:35] ~Piexplode: within the context of metagames and pokemon as a whole, not within the context of the metagame itself
[01:35] ~Piexplode: like in GSC to an outsider, stall and offense in it look pretty similar; from the perspective of later generations, they are pretty similar indeed
[01:36] ~Piexplode: stall could still have a curselax, offense could still have roar ttar or steelix, for example
[01:36] ~Piexplode: in RBY it's less distinct to the point where it's argued about whether we should say we even have distinctive team archetypes in the tier, but generally consensus is that if we do it's
[01:36] ~Piexplode: more defined by small variations in movesets usually, and a larger variation in mindset
[01:37] ~Piexplode: obviously RBY and GSC become very different when looking at this from the perspective of later generations
[01:37] ~Piexplode: to the point where in the latest one sacking a pokemon is a common part of a battle often
[01:38] ~Piexplode: in RBY you'd still be preserving a frozen pokemon to take explosions and pivot and force switches lol; in GSC you do not ever
[01:38] +awesome86: Ok
[01:38] ~kingdiepie: wuts going on
[01:38] ~Piexplode: sack a pokemon when you can preserve it
[01:38] ~Piexplode: I am talking
[01:38] ~Piexplode: and other people will hopefully
[01:38] +awesome86: oh thought u were spammign
[01:38] ~Piexplode: begin talking to
[01:38] ~Piexplode: lol
[01:38] ~kingdiepie: I noticed
[01:38] ~Piexplode: no
[01:38] ~Piexplode: anyway in GSC you don't ever sack a mon when you can preserve it
[01:38] ~Piexplode: unless you have a
[01:38] ~Piexplode: really really clear gameplan about how
[01:39] ~Piexplode: that sort of move wins you the game
[01:39] ~Piexplode: this is as far as I understand it
[01:39] ~Piexplode: so yea I want your guys opinion on
[01:39] ~Piexplode: as much as you know
[01:39] ~Piexplode: what does BAM look like to you now
[01:39] +awesome86: 3 admins
[01:39] ~Piexplode: what do you want BAM to look like
[01:39] +awesome86: BAM si awesome
[01:39] +awesome86: is*
[01:39] ~Piexplode: B]
[01:39] ~kingdiepie: the whole trinity is here awesome86
[01:39] ~WreckDra: y
[01:40] ~Piexplode: indeed lol
[01:40] ~Piexplode: anyway, Wreckdra, Gizmo, kingdiepie, anyone else who's here and cares one bit, I'm now looking for your thoughts
[01:41] ~WreckDra: The problem is, offensive teams are very possible here
[01:41] ~Piexplode: do you think so? is it a good or a bad thing?
[01:42] ~WreckDra: so we need to be careful if we augment their presence
[01:42] ~WreckDra: its a good thing
[01:42] ~kingdiepie: I'm not the most familiar with all the mons tbh
[01:42] ~Piexplode: that doesn't mean you can't participate; you can still have an opinion on how bam should look and also
[01:42] ~Piexplode: well
[01:42] ~Piexplode: how skillful do we feel
[01:42] ~Piexplode: hyper offense is?
[01:42] ~Piexplode: for example
[01:44] ~WreckDra: Thete are no super pivots here, so it should be pretty ok i feel
[01:44] ~Piexplode: mm guess it depends on what you mean though
[01:44] ~Piexplode: the electric/steel type (which I defensively nerfed o.o)
[01:45] ~Piexplode: is a pretty insane mon, kinda works like halfway between scizor and rotom-w imo xD
[01:45] +Gizmo: be back in a few gotta
[01:45] +Gizmo: wash dishes o3o
[01:45] ~Piexplode: it has spring, decent bulk, usable attack,
[01:45] ~Piexplode: okay
[01:45] ~Piexplode: :)
[01:45] ~WreckDra: Does it have spring?
[01:45] ~Piexplode: yeah it does
[01:45] ~Piexplode: which is STAB too
[01:45] ~Piexplode: and it has reboot which is
[01:45] ~Piexplode: recover x refresh
[01:45] ~Piexplode: lol
[01:45] ~WreckDra: .
[01:45] ~Piexplode: or recharge
[01:45] ~Piexplode: u see why I nerfed it
[01:45] ~WreckDra: that sounds.... Rediculous
[01:46] ~Piexplode: it literally beat 50% of the mons 1v1
[01:46] ~Piexplode: lol
[01:46] ~Piexplode: hey jac :)
[01:46] ~Piexplode: quite a bit to catch up on
[01:46] ~Piexplode: but the general premise of the conversation is
[01:46] ~Piexplode: what is bam like, what should it be like, what do we want out of it
[01:47] +Jac: hi
[01:47] +Jac: alrighty
[01:48] ~Piexplode: http://pastebin.com/NuRz3FkY in case you can't read up enough that's complete logs of the conversation so far
[01:48] +awesome86: Lol
[01:48] ~Piexplode: I say conversation but the first half is kinda me monologuing
[01:48] ~Piexplode: and then awesome thinking i may have been spamming
[01:48] +awesome86: For a second
[01:48] +awesome86: While I glanced over
[01:48] +awesome86: My different servers
[01:48] +Jac: man dont be like that.
[01:49] ~Piexplode: anyway I'll leave you a couple of mins to read o3o
[01:49] +awesome86: Lol, I didnt be like that it just looked like he was saying the huge paragraph over and over
[01:49] ~Piexplode: lol
[01:49] ~Piexplode: [01:44] ~WreckDra: Thete are no super pivots here, so it should be pretty ok i feel
[01:49] ~Piexplode: wreckdra now that we've decided that actually there's some solid enough pivots
[01:49] ~Piexplode: what do you feel now?
[01:50] ~kingdiepie: "what is bam like, what should it be like, what do we want out of it" the third part is obvious, we want a metagame where the player the plays better wins most of the time, and a metagame where as many mons as possible are viable
[01:51] ~Piexplode: okay; what makes a player be considered better? Especially, consider both the scenario of
[01:51] ~Piexplode: the experts versus eachother and
[01:51] ~Piexplode: an expert versus one who is not an expert
[01:52] ~kingdiepie: well the player that makes the correct plays, so basically less rng
[01:52] +awesome86: Hmm
[01:52] +awesome86: Bye
[01:52] ~Piexplode: should a game be longer or shorter to facilitate that - how much of the length of the match should be in the players control?
[01:52] +awesome86: I read it btw
[01:52] ~Piexplode: bye
[01:52] ~Piexplode: okay cool :)
[01:53] +Jac: from what you told me adn from what i remember
[01:53] +Jac: the meta is very shifted around bulkyness
[01:53] ~kingdiepie: oh
[01:53] ~Piexplode: yeah that's what I felt when I discussed it with you
[01:53] ~kingdiepie: length is a good topic to think about...hmm
[01:53] +Jac: i mean there's large enough diversity
[01:54] +Jac: but most of it reminds me of what little i know about gsc
[01:54] ~Piexplode: yeah.. I can't actually play GSC but I've read a lot (I intend to learn it though)
[01:54] ~Piexplode: however unlike GSC I feel like we don't have a central pokemon (set of pokemon) that thusfar scream out to be all-demanding
[01:55] +Jac: yeha there doesnt seem to be a centralizing force just yet
[01:55] ~Piexplode: and obviously, there's a lot I can compare with GSC as being very different; how much is detracted from the analogy by discussing the difference of entry hazards between them, for example
[01:56] ~Piexplode: jac, do you feel that one will immerge? Do you maybe feel that one won't emerge; what would that be like?
[01:56] ~Piexplode: obviously in any metagame there's better and worse pokemon, and that holds true for BAM
[01:57] ~Piexplode: BAM will essentially offer up virtually any singular threat can be totally accounted for (if you like, no lovely kiss earthquake fire blast cursedrum triple normal STAB rest snorlax to theorise about beating)
[01:57] +Jac: maybe?
[01:57] ~Piexplode: and there'll also be the potential for grander stallbreakers
[01:58] +Jac: im not entirely sure
[01:58] +Jac: i still dont have most of the mons / moves memorized yet
[01:58] ~Piexplode: belly drum seems pretty common for example, and with a physical hidden power, the unaware-clone mons can be taken care of
[01:58] +Jac: there's a lot of bustass shit at a glance
[01:58] +Jac: but there's so much stop to it all
[01:58] ~Piexplode: bustass? broken?
[01:58] +Jac: yeah lol
[01:58] ~Piexplode: lol
[01:58] ~Piexplode: I think we mentioned it before about
[01:58] ~Piexplode: like
[01:58] +Jac: but like i was saying there's a lot of stop to bullshit it seems.
[01:58] ~Piexplode: it's not broken if you can safely beat it
[01:59] ~kingdiepie: well I think that a few will emerge as the "best" pokemon but I don't think they will almost mandatory on a team like greninja or lando-t is right now in OU
[01:59] ~Piexplode: you mean a lot of bullshit to stop?
[01:59] ~Piexplode: hmm kingdiepie, what about the megas? I think simorgh is pretty easy to cope with but we don't know what traits to really expect of the water type except in general terms and
[02:00] ~Piexplode: in a bulky meta, being slow and bulky, with leech seed, leech seed immunity, toxic immunity, and an ability granting leftovers
[02:00] ~Piexplode: I feel the mega of the grass type is pretty insane on paper
[02:00] ~Piexplode: buuuuuuuuut iirc I added mystic mirror (bbasically magic bounce) to locuspokus
[02:00] ~Piexplode: which resists all of its potential attacks, is fat enough, etc.
[02:01] ~Piexplode: so if you really needed a hard stop to it it exists
[02:01] ~Piexplode: and it's not notably hazard weak or anything
[02:01] +Jac: i mean being grass it doesnt have a lot of desired resists
[02:01] ~kingdiepie: we only have 3 mega's correct?
[02:01] ~Piexplode: yeah
[02:01] ~Piexplode: !weakness grass poison
Grass/Poison:
Weaknesses: Fire, Flying, Ice, Psychic
Resistances: Electric, Fairy, Fighting, Grass, Water
Immunities: None
[02:01] ~Piexplode: psychic weakness means health orbs recover though
[02:01] ~Piexplode: *recovery
[02:01] ~Piexplode: then again, icy stalactites weakness too
[02:02] ~Piexplode: I guess it depends on, for offense, forcing it to switch in and out a lot
[02:02] +justinjiaxinghu: oO
[02:02] ~Piexplode: hey justin
[02:02] ~kingdiepie: hey justin
[02:02] +justinjiaxinghu: i came for merriness
[02:02] ~Piexplode: yea there's a lot to catch up on o.o
[02:02] ~Piexplode: it's happy but focussed lol
[02:02] ~Piexplode: hmm I wonder if
[02:02] +Jac: >left
[02:02] +Jac: rip
[02:03] ~Piexplode: rip
[02:03] ~Piexplode: you know we have the 2 pivot moves right
[02:03] ~Piexplode: one of them's neutral on this mon
[02:03] ~Piexplode: the other is a 4x resist
[02:03] +Gizmo: back
[02:03] +Gizmo: where can i see all the pokemon?
[02:03] ~Piexplode: i wonder if offense can basically utilise spring-turn, aka voltturn type strats to
[02:03] ~Piexplode: wear it down
[02:03] ~Piexplode: !bam
List of BAM links
- Website
- Pokemon Database
- Pokedex
- Pokemon Moves
- Pokemon Abilities
[02:03] ~Piexplode: the pokedex lists all by
[02:03] ~Piexplode: base stats+typing
[02:03] ~Piexplode: including oredered lists
[02:04] +justinjiaxinghu: i just dc'd
[02:04] +justinjiaxinghu: smh
[02:04] ~Piexplode: the pokemon database will link to a post in each individual thread
[02:04] ~Piexplode: owel justin glad u didn't really leave us :3
[02:04] ~kingdiepie: <3
[02:04] +justinjiaxinghu: xd
[02:04] ~Piexplode: *ordered
[02:04] +justinjiaxinghu: WHAT THE HECK
[02:04] +justinjiaxinghu: is happening
[02:04] ~kingdiepie: justin needs new internet
[02:04] ~Piexplode: o.O
[02:04] ~Piexplode: ^
[02:05] • ~Piexplode greninja's self
[02:05] ~Piexplode: I don't even know umm
[02:05] ~Piexplode: but yea gizmo a lot of our talk is like
[02:05] ~Piexplode: theoreticals on
[02:05] ~Piexplode: what we want bam to be and
[02:05] ~Piexplode: what's skill based, what are other metas like, how do we want to compare
[02:05] ~Piexplode: match length, etc.
[02:05] +justinjiaxinghu: we're essentially CAP
[02:05] +justinjiaxinghu: except going deeper
[02:05] ~Piexplode: and when we discuss bam specifics I can explain all u need to know
[02:05] +Gizmo: er
[02:06] +Gizmo: !dt mystic veil
No Pokemon, item, move, ability or nature named 'mystic veil' was found. (Check your spelling?)
[02:06] ~Piexplode: yeah deeper than anywhere before I guess justin
[02:06] +Gizmo: wtf does that do
[02:06] ~kingdiepie: A LOT deeper
[02:06] ~Piexplode: isn't it an
[02:06] %Master Float: lol
[02:06] ~Piexplode: ability?
[02:06] +Gizmo: yeah
[02:06] +Gizmo: but you can dt abilities
[02:06] ~Piexplode: !ds mystic veil
'mystic veil' could not be found in any of the search categories.
[02:06] %Master Float: wassup
[02:06] ~Piexplode: !ds dark type
Gyarados-Mega, Umbreon, Murkrow, Sneasel, Houndour, Houndoom, Tyranitar, Poochyena, Mightyena, Nuzleaf, and 36 more. Redo the search with 'all' as a search parameter to show all results.
[02:06] +Gizmo: it's the one
[02:06] +Gizmo: the fire flying one got
[02:06] ~Piexplode: our commands are working; okay
[02:06] +Gizmo: !dt huge power

    Huge Power This Pokemon's Attack is doubled.

[02:06] +Gizmo: etc
[02:06] ~Piexplode: you mean the bam ability? um lemme pull up my dex
[02:06] ~kingdiepie: bam abilities aren't implemented yet
[02:07] %Master Float: ...
[02:07] ~kingdiepie: hopefully they will be soon
[02:07] ~Piexplode: ^
[02:07] ~Piexplode: hey float :)
[02:07] %Master Float: ok yjen gn i guess...
[02:07] %Master Float: *th
[02:07] %Master Float: hi
[02:07] +Gizmo: !bam
List of BAM links
- Website
- Pokemon Database
- Pokedex
- Pokemon Moves
- Pokemon Abilities
[02:07] ~kingdiepie: I'm trying to get this place on github so float, langur, an people can add stuff themselves.
[02:08] +Gizmo: Mystic Veil - Decreases damage taken from super-effective moves by 1/4
[02:08] +Gizmo: !dt filter

    Filter This Pokemon receives 3/4 damage from super effective attacks.

[02:08] +Gizmo: they're the
[02:08] +Gizmo: same thing?
[02:08] ~Piexplode: let me double check
[02:08] ~Piexplode: it's been a while
[02:08] +Gizmo: take 3/4 and reduce by 1/4
[02:08] ~kingdiepie: pretty much I think
[02:08] ~Piexplode: yep
[02:08] +Gizmo: same thing
[02:08] ~Piexplode: yeah they're the same
[02:08] +Gizmo: Neutrality Barrier - Neutral attacks do x0.66 damage. alright
[02:08] +Gizmo: who made this one
[02:08] ~Piexplode: probably ~30% of the abilities are clones of real abilities
[02:09] +Gizmo: that's just gross
[02:09] ~Piexplode: <<<<
[02:09] ~Piexplode: yea but the mon that gets it
[02:09] ~Piexplode: has no resists
[02:09] ~Piexplode: and 1 2x and 1 4x weakness
[02:09] ~Piexplode: lol
[02:09] ~Piexplode: !weakness dark psychic
Dark/Psychic:
Weaknesses: Bug, Fairy
Resistances: None
Immunities: Psychic
[02:09] +Gizmo: Overdrive - Increases SpA by 50% when HP below 50%
[02:09] +Gizmo: OK
[02:09] ~Piexplode: it gets 80/80/80 bulk
[02:09] +Gizmo: overdrive
[02:09] +Gizmo: sounds disgusting
[02:09] ~Piexplode: lol
[02:09] ~Piexplode: man what is that one even on idr
[02:09] ~kingdiepie: remember everything can be nerfed
[02:09] +Gizmo: but
[02:09] +Gizmo: dropping below 50%
[02:09] ~kingdiepie: it's not gonna be perfect on the first try
[02:09] ~Piexplode: 39 Elec Ice_ 060 041 058 117 069 075 420 -
[02:09] +Gizmo: and getting choice specs
[02:09] +Gizmo: damn
[02:10] ~Piexplode: ah that one's interesting
[02:10] ~Piexplode: yea that's the mon that gets it
[02:10] ~Piexplode: it's basically built to be a scarfer lol
[02:10] ~Piexplode: its other ability is cool too :p
[02:10] +Gizmo: Refraction - Bounces back 25% of damage taken by special moves
[02:10] +Gizmo: why.
[02:10] +James Jimmy: Why do I
[02:10] ~Piexplode: we had a lot of mirror themed mons so idk seemed sensible
[02:10] +James Jimmy: keep thinking that
[02:10] +James Jimmy: Kingdiepie and Piexplode is the same person?
[02:10] ~kingdiepie: Oo
[02:11] ~Piexplode: the ice/electric mon
[02:11] ~Piexplode: Ability 1: Spurred
[02:11] ~Piexplode: Ability 2: Refocus
[02:11] ~Piexplode: Ability 3: Overdrive
[02:11] ~kingdiepie: we spells good
[02:11] ~kingdiepie: I don't
[02:11] ~Piexplode: Refocus - Accuracy increases by 1 stage if it misses
[02:11] +Gizmo: Aggravating - Torments foe for 3 turns when switching in.
[02:11] ~Piexplode: filler ability I guess
[02:11] +Gizmo: does this go away
[02:11] +Gizmo: when you switch out?
[02:11] ~Piexplode: no
[02:11] +Gizmo: .
[02:11] ~kingdiepie: easie
[02:11] ~Piexplode: hm
[02:11] • ~kingdiepie winks
[02:11] ~Piexplode: I wonder if it should
[02:11] ~Piexplode: I just realised
[02:11] ~Piexplode: how cool that is
[02:11] ~Piexplode: oml
[02:11] ~Piexplode: BAM is full of crazy broken shit
[02:11] ~Piexplode: when everything is broke
[02:11] ~Piexplode: nothing needs to be fixed
[02:11] ~Piexplode: !_!
[02:11] ~kingdiepie: XD
[02:11] +Gizmo: the walls better be
[02:12] +Gizmo: disgusting
[02:12] ~Piexplode: Spurred - Boosts SpA +2 when taunted.
[02:12] ~Piexplode: disgusting as in
[02:12] ~Piexplode: shit or amazing?
[02:12] +Gizmo: Hazardous - 1.3x Power if hazards on own side of field
[02:12] +Gizmo: alright
[02:12] +Gizmo: this is ust
[02:12] +Gizmo: gay
[02:12] ~Piexplode: rofl
[02:12] ~Piexplode: have you found the
[02:12] ~Piexplode: broken thing you're gonna
[02:12] +Gizmo: they're all broken
[02:12] +Gizmo: i can't find one
[02:12] ~kingdiepie: maybe we can make it if there are multiple hazards
[02:12] ~Piexplode: abuse the fuck out of to get #2 on the ladder with yet?
[02:13] +Gizmo: ?-?
[02:13] ~Piexplode: B]
[02:13] +Gizmo: wachu say
[02:13] ~Piexplode: cos I'll be #1
[02:13] +Gizmo: some good mons
[02:13] +Gizmo: better get
[02:13] ~kingdiepie: impossible
[02:13] +Gizmo: mystic mirror
[02:13] +Gizmo: tired of shitty magic bounce mons
[02:13] ~Piexplode: I said locuspokus gets it
[02:13] ~kingdiepie: I'll nolife the ladder 24/7
[02:13] ~Piexplode: it's a bug/ghost type with a god tier pokemon name
[02:14] +Gizmo: i don't see locuspokus on the database
[02:14] ~Piexplode: o yea it's
[02:14] ~kingdiepie: that's a newer one
[02:14] ~Piexplode: not been coded yet
[02:14] ~Piexplode: there's a few that aren't coded yet
[02:14] ~Piexplode: that may or may not be in the dex
[02:14] ~Piexplode: let me find its thread
[02:14] ~kingdiepie: brb
[02:14] ~kingdiepie: name is lordly tho
[02:14] ~Piexplode: http://projectbam.proboards.com/thread/353/progress-bug-ghost-locuspokus
[02:14] ~Piexplode: [108/46/65/107/45/109]=480 BST
[02:15] +Gizmo: eh
[02:15] +Gizmo: better have a dirty ability
[02:15] +Gizmo: oh right
[02:15] +Gizmo: just said
[02:15] +Gizmo: magic bounce
[02:15] ~Piexplode: 14 Ghos ---- 080 060 080 130 080 110 540 Mirrage
[02:16] ~Piexplode: also gets it
[02:16] +Gizmo: Contamination - Water type moves have a 30% chance to badly poison.
[02:16] +Gizmo: TELL ME THIS DOESN'T STACK WITH SCALD
[02:16] ~Piexplode: we don't have scald
[02:16] ~Piexplode: :D
[02:16] +Gizmo: oh
[02:17] +Gizmo: how am i supposed to punish the azumarill switch in
[02:17] +Gizmo: or the latios switch in
[02:17] ~kingdiepie: back
[02:17] +Gizmo: ;_;
[02:17] ~Piexplode: we don't have azumarill
[02:17] ~Piexplode: or latios
[02:17] ~Piexplode: B]
[02:17] +Gizmo: glorious
[02:17] ~Piexplode: these mons aren't interacting with real pokemon remember
[02:17] ~Piexplode: ik
[02:17] ~Piexplode: ^^
[02:18] ~Piexplode: so, the meta seem interesting so far?
[02:18] ~kingdiepie: yeah bam mons won't interact with real mons
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[02:18] +Gizmo: http://prntscr.com/5jxykl
[02:18] ~kingdiepie: though we could make a OM that mixes the two
[02:18] ~Piexplode: lol gizmo what did you do
[02:18] ~Piexplode: kingdiepie that thought hurts my head
[02:18] +Gizmo: It's a stylish
[02:18] ~Piexplode: also heatran would be broken
[02:18] +Gizmo: but
[02:18] +Gizmo: it's really ugly
[02:19] ~Piexplode: I just go vanilla :] I like vanilla
[02:19] +Gizmo: nah g i can't use that
[02:19] ~Piexplode: ok ok ok wanna hear
[02:19] ~Piexplode: something totally
[02:19] ~kingdiepie: I use vanilla most of the time as well
[02:19] ~Piexplode: totally next-level
[02:19] ~Piexplode: it's gonna require a bit of info but
[02:19] ~kingdiepie: that's why we don't have custom ccs right now
[02:19] ~Piexplode: Imo it's the neatest trick in BAM
[02:19] ~kingdiepie: even though it's easy to add
[02:20] +Gizmo: a bam ccs would be kewlio
[02:20] ~Piexplode: yea, when we have proper bam sprites we'll have
[02:20] ~Piexplode: a bam css with bam pokemon on it
[02:20] ~Piexplode: but before then, just vanillla
[02:20] ~Piexplode: okay right there's this mechanic that's basically weather if it weren't aids
[02:20] ~kingdiepie: maybe some bam concept art as the backround
[02:20] +Gizmo: ah
[02:20] ~Piexplode: we have this thing called
[02:20] ~Piexplode: terrains
[02:21] ~Piexplode: (nothing to do with grassy terrain etc. btw)
[02:21] +Gizmo: http://prntscr.com/5jxzbe better than vanilla imo
[02:21] ~kingdiepie: bassically weather
[02:21] ~kingdiepie: and will have to be coded like weather as well
[02:21] ~Piexplode: basically there's
[02:21] ~Piexplode: abilities to summon them
[02:21] ~Piexplode: and moves
[02:21] ~Piexplode: and they all cause it to be
[02:21] ~Piexplode: indefinite
[02:21] ~Piexplode: and replace eachother
[02:21] ~Piexplode: hey ducky
[02:21] &Thugly Duckling: ok jigs lets talk
[02:21] &Thugly Duckling: *nigs
[02:21] ~kingdiepie: heya
[02:21] ~Piexplode: atm I'm telling
[02:21] ~Piexplode: gizmo about
[02:21] ~Piexplode: terrains
[02:21] ~Piexplode: and going onto
[02:21] ~Piexplode: a super awesome trick with them
[02:22] &Thugly Duckling: And I got the mamoswine team down
[02:22] &Thugly Duckling: Mamo/DD ray/Mega Luke as the offensive core
[02:22] +Gizmo: what a great username.
[02:22] ~Piexplode: http://projectbam.proboards.com/thread/109/terrains
[02:22] +Gizmo: i fkn hate how
[02:22] +Gizmo: main server doesn't let me use my infinity sign
[02:22] &Thugly Duckling: ikr
[02:23] ~Piexplode: that explains the basic effect; they increase/decrease certain typed pokemon's stats by 30% or less, depending on that
[02:23] ~Piexplode: AND
[02:23] +Gizmo∞: there we go
[02:23] ~Piexplode: fucking awesome weed shit happens
[02:23] ~Piexplode: to water types
[02:23] ~Piexplode: nichze
[02:23] ~Piexplode: anyways
[02:23] ~Piexplode: basically
[02:23] ~Piexplode: in all terrains bar ocean
[02:23] ~Piexplode: water attacks gain a secondary typing
[02:23] ~Piexplode: e.g. in polluted landscape
[02:23] ~Piexplode: they become water/poison
[02:23] ~Piexplode: so their attacks before neutral on grass types
[02:23] ~Piexplode: but poison will now resist it
[02:23] ~Piexplode: and steel immune
[02:24] ~Piexplode: now that's some pretty
[02:24] ~Piexplode: crazy broken shit there
[02:24] ~Piexplode: anyway the next cool bit
[02:24] ~Piexplode: is when you learn
[02:24] ~Piexplode: that one of the 2 types of hazard removal
[02:24] ~Piexplode: is basically a water-type defog (although no evasion drops on this) called Wash Away
[02:24] ~Piexplode: this means that due to how
[02:24] ~Piexplode: certain terrains mean
[02:25] ~Piexplode: certain typed pokemon
[02:25] ~Piexplode: gain immunities to water
[02:25] ~Piexplode: there's one pokemon
[02:25] ~Piexplode: rock/flying type
[02:25] ~kingdiepie: is wash away out only hazard removing move?
[02:25] ~Piexplode: called Apaflite
[02:25] ~Piexplode: yeah
[02:25] ~Piexplode: no
[02:25] ~Piexplode: we have one other, I'll explain after
[02:25] ~kingdiepie: k
[02:25] &Thugly Duckling: What is the other?
[02:25] &Thugly Duckling: What type?
[02:25] ~Piexplode: yea we have this rock/flying type called Apaflite
[02:25] ~Piexplode: ghost
[02:25] ~Piexplode: and this mon
[02:25] ~Piexplode: has the ability Desert
[02:25] ~Piexplode: that makes
[02:25] &Thugly Duckling: Can the ghost move be blocked by normal types?
[02:25] ~Piexplode: yes
[02:25] &Thugly Duckling: Ok.
[02:26] ~Piexplode: but you couldn't let me finish what I'm talking about
[02:26] ~Piexplode: lol
[02:26] &Thugly Duckling: So it's reverse rapid spin lol
[02:26] ~Piexplode: okay anyway so
[02:26] ~Piexplode: yes it is
[02:26] ~Piexplode: plz
[02:26] ~Piexplode: can I talk
[02:26] ~Piexplode: shut up
[02:26] ~Piexplode: kthx
[02:26] &Thugly Duckling: lol
[02:26] ~kingdiepie: Xd
[02:26] ~Piexplode: right so
[02:26] ~Piexplode: dis nigga apaflite right
[02:26] ~Piexplode: switches in
[02:26] ~Piexplode: desert actives
[02:26] +Gizmo∞: apaflite
[02:26] ~Piexplode: desert retypes water moves
[02:26] ~Piexplode: to become
[02:26] +Gizmo∞: that name is too edgy for me
[02:26] ~Piexplode: water/ground
[02:26] ~Piexplode: --->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
[02:26] ~Piexplode: switches in
[02:26] ~Piexplode: WATER IMMUNITY B]
[02:26] +Gizmo∞: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
[02:26] ~Piexplode: how's that for next-level hazard blocking
[02:27] +Gizmo∞: that sounds
[02:27] +Gizmo∞: really gross
[02:27] ~Piexplode: ofc, the wash away user could carry a terrain move if they can afford the moveslot
[02:27] ~Piexplode: use that on the switch in
[02:27] ~Piexplode: then pull the move off
[02:27] +Gizmo∞: man
[02:27] &Thugly Duckling: This is confusing :\
[02:27] +Gizmo∞: this is barely the same game tbh
[02:27] ~Piexplode: especially since apaflite's base speed is 55 iirc, either way, it's slow but not dire
[02:28] ~Piexplode: weell gizmo it is a fanboy project in essence, no escaping that.. but we've been able to
[02:28] ~Piexplode: experiment a ton with
[02:28] ~Piexplode: some interesting and crazy and broken and wild ideas
[02:28] +Gizmo∞: i just need to see the mons
[02:28] +justinjiaxinghu: how long did that take me to reconnect
[02:28] +justinjiaxinghu: ...
[02:28] +Gizmo∞: and i can innovate
[02:28] ~Piexplode: a long time justin
[02:28] ~kingdiepie: a long time
[02:28] ~Piexplode: yea gizmo the mons movepools and the variety of mechanics means that
[02:28] ~Piexplode: there's going to be a lot to learn
[02:28] ~Piexplode: and then
[02:28] +Gizmo∞: means that i can innovate
[02:28] ~Piexplode: a lot to innovate
[02:28] ~Piexplode: ye
[02:29] ~Piexplode: thing is I think is that
[02:29] ~Piexplode: you can still innovate even
[02:29] ~Piexplode: 3 years down the line
[02:29] ~Piexplode: with BAM
[02:29] ~kingdiepie: it's going to be a lot easier to comprehend when it's tangible
[02:29] ~Piexplode: ^
[02:29] +justinjiaxinghu: ye
[02:29] +justinjiaxinghu: honestly
[02:29] +justinjiaxinghu: we just need someone to code in the actual meta
[02:29] &Thugly Duckling: 3 years :O
[02:29] ~Piexplode: + we reserve the right to edit shit if something goes tits up and legitimately breaks the metagame
[02:29] ~Piexplode: justin
[02:29] ~kingdiepie: especially with the teambuilder here
[02:29] ~Piexplode: we can code it
[02:29] ~Piexplode: the main issue
[02:29] ~Piexplode: is sprites
[02:29] ~Piexplode: seriously
[02:29] ~Piexplode: if we didn't need sprites
[02:29] ~Piexplode: we could have this
[02:29] ~kingdiepie: yeah sprites are the problem
[02:29] ~Piexplode: all created and coded
[02:30] &Thugly Duckling: So get to work you scrub! @justin
[02:30] ~Piexplode: before the end of january
[02:30] +justinjiaxinghu: SPRITES TAKE AGES
[02:30] ~Piexplode: no lies
[02:30] &Thugly Duckling: IK
[02:30] &Thugly Duckling: GET IT DONE
[02:30] +justinjiaxinghu: one sprite took me like a month
[02:30] &Thugly Duckling: Y?Y
[02:30] &Thugly Duckling: Work faster lol
[02:30] ~kingdiepie: justin if we could get a sprite a week that would be godly
[02:30] &Thugly Duckling: We should just get our drawings as spites
[02:30] ~Piexplode: so yea this is basically me wanting u guys here so we can discuss basically everything outside of the art aspect that's important to bam
[02:30] ~kingdiepie: but rn we only have one sprite
[02:30] ~Piexplode: yea kdp is right
[02:31] ~Piexplode: I'm happy to have like
[02:31] ~Piexplode: shit sprites to use in a beta
[02:31] +Gizmo∞: you can't get any
[02:31] ~Piexplode: if it gives us the chance to make shit tangible
[02:31] ~Piexplode: and then work on
[02:31] +Gizmo∞: spriters to help you?
[02:31] ~Piexplode: improved sprites
[02:31] ~Piexplode: you have no idea how fucking hard it is bro
[02:31] +Gizmo∞: Laurel probs has nothing to do atm
[02:31] &Thugly Duckling: We don't need sprites ybf
[02:31] ~Piexplode: o
[02:31] &Thugly Duckling: *tbf
[02:31] ~Piexplode: laurel sprites?
[02:31] &Thugly Duckling: We could just battle without them
[02:31] +Gizmo∞: derp
[02:31] ~Piexplode: we sorta get on
[02:31] +Gizmo∞: layell*
[02:31] ~Piexplode: oh
[02:31] ~Piexplode: layell
[02:31] +Gizmo∞: head of sprite prject
[02:31] ~Piexplode: idk them really
[02:31] ~Piexplode: okay
[02:31] ~Piexplode: hmm
[02:31] ~Piexplode: I should
[02:31] ~Piexplode: totally speak to them
[02:31] ~Piexplode: :D
[02:32] +Gizmo∞: yeh
[02:32] ~Piexplode: I've spoken to bummer before lol
[02:32] ~kingdiepie: it would be playable if we had sprites like the ones they had before oras came out
[02:32] ~Piexplode: anyway as it stands it's not too hard to imagine getting
[02:32] ~kingdiepie: like the mega gallade
[02:32] ~Piexplode: every pokemon a piece of concept art within a month
[02:32] ~Piexplode: if we tried to make that a goal
[02:32] ~kingdiepie: but it would be awesome if we had real like BWish sprites
[02:33] ~Piexplode: yeah
[02:33] ~Piexplode: I don't like 3D figures tbh
[02:33] ~Piexplode: + BW style sprites are easier for artists
[02:33] ~kingdiepie: that take too long anyways
[02:33] ~kingdiepie: tbh
[02:34] ~kingdiepie: we really need to set goals IMO, otherwise we won't get stuff done at a good pace
[02:34] ~Piexplode: yeah
[02:34] ~Piexplode: imo I'l
[02:34] ~Piexplode: send a message to Layell in a bit
[02:34] &Thugly Duckling: I agree with KDP
[02:34] ~Piexplode: if you want I can add
[02:34] ~kingdiepie: they don't need to hard to reach
[02:34] ~Piexplode: everyone in here atm
[02:34] ~Piexplode: into the conversation
[02:34] &Thugly Duckling: We need some goals badly
[02:34] ~Piexplode: yeah
[02:34] ~kingdiepie: just something to work towards
[02:34] ~Piexplode: imo
[02:34] ~Piexplode: if Layell
[02:34] ~Piexplode: can make sprites
[02:34] ~Piexplode: based off of concept art
[02:34] ~Piexplode: then that means
[02:34] ~Piexplode: we just have to set the goal:
[02:34] ~Piexplode: make concept art
[02:34] ~Piexplode: and then
[02:35] ~Piexplode: make sprites
[02:35] ~Piexplode: and then we can actually
[02:35] ~Piexplode: achieve what we need to
[02:35] ~Piexplode: we just need people to be here who can actually
[02:35] ~Piexplode: make us reach the final step
[02:35] ~Piexplode: of having sprites
[02:35] ~kingdiepie: it starts with one person
[02:35] ~Piexplode: once we have some way to secure that then it becomes easier to eat the elephant piece by piece
[02:35] ~Piexplode: once the end is in sight
[02:36] ~kingdiepie: Once (if I can) get the server on github the coding should also pick up a bit I think
[02:36] ~kingdiepie: re
[02:36] ~kingdiepie: ew
[02:36] ~kingdiepie: why is this my avatar
[02:36] ~Piexplode: to be honest I am
[02:36] ~Piexplode: not worried at all
[02:36] ~Piexplode: about the coding
[02:37] ~K legacy: there we go
[02:37] ~Piexplode: oh
[02:37] ~Piexplode: you need to give
[02:37] ~Piexplode: kingdiepie
[02:37] ~Piexplode: the avvy too
[02:37] ~Piexplode: lol
[02:37] ~K legacy: eh too lasy
[02:37] ~Piexplode: lol
[02:37] ~K legacy: even though
[02:37] ~Piexplode: jac, justin, gizmo
[02:37] ~K legacy: it takes like 0 effort
[02:37] ~Piexplode: you guys still keeping up?
[02:37] +Gizmo∞: hn?
[02:37] +Gizmo∞: i'm reading chat
[02:37] +Gizmo∞: i just have nothing to add
[02:37] ~Piexplode: okay :)
[02:37] ~Piexplode: that's fine then
[02:37] ~K legacy: justinjiaxinghu
[02:38] ~Piexplode: yknow tbh my favourite place to chat about this stuff is plugdj tho lol
[02:38] &Thugly Duckling: YOU CAN CHANGE YOUR COLOR O_O
[02:38] +Gizmo∞: wait
[02:38] &Thugly Duckling: err
[02:38] &Thugly Duckling: nvm
[02:38] +Gizmo∞: hold up
[02:38] +Gizmo∞: aww
[02:38] ~Piexplode: (can't really do that at this time + at my grandparents + with my bro in the room at 2:30am)
[02:38] ~K legacy: what?
[02:38] &Thugly Duckling: I got confused
[02:38] +Gizmo∞: I would've demanded a color change
[02:38] +Gizmo∞: to pink.
[02:38] ~K legacy: I changed alts
[02:38] ~K legacy: cause this one had the custom aby
[02:39] &Thugly Duckling: You have two admin accounts?
[02:39] &Thugly Duckling: ...
[02:39] ~K legacy: yeah
[02:39] ~Nyan Katana: do I
[02:39] ~Nyan Katana: *so do I
[02:39] ~Piexplode: lool
[02:39] ~Piexplode: :]
[02:40] ~K legacy: do you still want that as admin?
[02:40] ~Piexplode: uhh
[02:40] ~Piexplode: tbh not really lol
[02:40] ~K legacy: you don't use it at all
[02:40] ~Piexplode: yea ik
[02:40] ~Piexplode: I think I decided it wasn't good enough
[02:40] ~Piexplode: A River describes me much better
[02:41] • A River floods
[02:41] ~K legacy: XD
[02:41] ~Piexplode: Sponge - Water-type Immunity. Water attacks raise Atk/SpA 1 stage. 2x current poison weakness.
[02:41] ~Piexplode: Spook - Special Intimidate
[02:41] ~Piexplode: cool abilities B]
[02:41] ~K legacy: oh
[02:41] ~Piexplode: iirc nothing has spook atm tho
[02:42] ~K legacy: piex how did my team do earlier?
[02:42] ~K legacy: spook is cool
[02:42] ~Piexplode: I didn't end up using it cos
[02:42] ~Piexplode: I had to go
[02:42] ~Piexplode: lol
[02:42] ~K legacy: oh
[02:42] ~Piexplode: I'll probably use it like
[02:42] ~Piexplode: tomorrow
[02:42] ~Piexplode: u have celebae so yknow
[02:42] ~K legacy: that's cool
[02:43] ~K legacy: celebi + heatran is a solid af core
[02:43] ~Piexplode: ik
[02:43] ~Piexplode: celetran #DPP
[02:43] ~Piexplode: celetar #ADV
[02:44] ~K legacy: I just had the urge to use celebi one day
[02:44] ~Piexplode: tar + tran = tartan #scotland
[02:44] ~Piexplode: B]
[02:44] ~Piexplode: hey kristoph :)
[02:44] ~K legacy: team turned out decent I think
[02:44] ~Piexplode: what does cele do? beats umm
[02:44] ~Piexplode: keldeo I guess
[02:44] ~K legacy: James Jimmy you pay'd any attention at all lol?
[02:45] ~Piexplode: azu?
[02:45] +James Jimmy: What?
[02:45] +James Jimmy: Paid attention to what?
[02:45] ~K legacy: it's okay
[02:45] +James Jimmy: D:
[02:45] ~K legacy: celebi actually doesn't do a whole lot tbh
[02:45] KristophV: hi
[02:45] ~K legacy: but it's cool
[02:46] ~Piexplode: lol
[02:47] ~K legacy: hi Evasi0n
[02:47] ~K legacy: so anything else we need to discuss about BAM?
[02:47] ~Piexplode: hmm not especially although I feel we probably
[02:47] ~Piexplode: totally missed the point
[02:47] ~Piexplode: but we made forward progress with art goals lol
[02:47] ~Piexplode: typical really
[02:47] ~K legacy: XD
[02:48] ~K legacy: tbh the art was the most important at this point
[02:48] ~Piexplode: yeah
[02:48] ~Piexplode: but I wanted to talk about
[02:48] ~Piexplode: basically
[02:48] ~Piexplode: everything that's not art
[02:48] ~Piexplode: lol
[02:48] ~K legacy: XD
[02:48] ~Piexplode: man if u guys can just like
[02:48] ~Piexplode: come on here more
[02:48] ~Piexplode: I mean ok me float jj etc. already
[02:48] ~Piexplode: come on enough
[02:48] ~K legacy: bro me and Master Float are like always on
[02:48] ~Piexplode: but just
[02:48] ~Piexplode: everyone coming on more so I can
[02:48] ~Piexplode: randomly start
[02:49] ~Piexplode: up conversations about BAM
[02:49] ~Piexplode: and this sorta shit
[02:49] ~Piexplode: we might make some progress
[02:49] ~Piexplode: try and work out
[02:49] ~Piexplode: where we headed
[02:49] ~K legacy: I always have an afk alt on if I'm afk
[02:49] ~Piexplode: gizmo or jac maybe u guys could help work out with me basically maybe we could
[02:49] ~Piexplode: work out all the shit that seems broken or whatever and then
[02:49] +Gizmo∞: alright Piexplode
[02:49] ~Piexplode: try and work out
[02:49] +Gizmo∞: i gotchu
[02:49] ~Piexplode: how does it all balance
[02:49] ~K legacy: if you guys keep showing up and contribute you
[02:49] ~Piexplode: we need to see if
[02:49] ~Piexplode: the meta is too fat
[02:50] +Gizmo∞: i just keep going back to ou room to help the retards
[02:50] ~Piexplode: or too offensive
[02:50] +Gizmo∞: soz
[02:50] ~K legacy: you'll get driver
[02:50] ~Piexplode: or too difficult to be offensive with
[02:50] ~K legacy: at some point
[02:50] ~Piexplode: oh the main ou room not the B] one?
[02:50] +Gizmo∞: k
[02:50] ~Piexplode: nice job wreckdra
[02:50] +Gizmo∞: yeah
[02:50] +Gizmo∞: main
[02:50] ~Piexplode: missed all the convo xd
[02:50] ~Piexplode: ah
[02:50] ~Piexplode: I've never really been in there
[02:50] ~WreckDra: Lol
[02:50] ~Piexplode: B] one is nice tho
[02:50] ~WreckDra: bad dc is bad :(
[02:50] ~Piexplode: :(
[02:50] ~Piexplode: oh well I'll make a log of it all
[02:51] ~WreckDra: Ok
[02:51] ~K legacy: feels nice having 10 users on here again
[02:51] ~Piexplode: that's totally tru
[02:51] ~Piexplode: man our peak
[02:51] ~Piexplode: was 37
[02:51] ~Piexplode: ;;
[02:51] ~K legacy: yeah
[02:51] ~WreckDra: :(
[02:51] ~K legacy: went downhill from there
[02:51] ~Piexplode: when this shit gets released
[02:52] ~Piexplode: it'll be up again
[02:52] ~K legacy: yeah
[02:52] ~Piexplode: we just gotta get there lol
[02:52] ~K legacy: lots of people left because of all the restarts and that BAM was only an idea really
[02:52] ~Piexplode: yeah
[02:52] ~WreckDra: IC custom avis :0
[02:52] ~Piexplode: maybe we didn't get the om people to stick enough
[02:52] ~K legacy: If you paid attention on the forum......
[02:52] ~Piexplode: wreckdra that's cos we've had custom avis for
[02:52] ~Piexplode: like a week
[02:52] ~Piexplode: :p
[02:53] ~Piexplode: ye u'd only not know if u johne
[02:53] ~K legacy: or came on here more XD
[02:53] ~Piexplode: both forum
[02:53] ~Piexplode: and server
[02:53] ~Piexplode: lol
[02:53] ~WreckDra: Soz :(
[02:53] ~Piexplode: :(
[02:53] • ~Piexplode forgives wreckdra