12:53 *** sailKite is now known as doktahKite
12:53 <BloodDragon> that's still not going to keep people from politicking, though, serb
12:53 <Ombwah> doctor well! I have such thread writing to do today
12:53 <Serbaayuu> of course it won't
12:53 <Polaris_work> politicking is good, bitching about projections and paranoia is bad
12:53 <Serbaayuu> Ombwah, where is literally Elona pls 8B
12:53 <doktahKite> serb we can crowdfund a chastity cage for you nothing is wrong or bad
12:54 <Serbaayuu> dont do that
12:54 <BloodDragon> no, what's bad, pol, is when the two are combined
12:54 <BloodDragon> then it's all just bad
12:54 <Polaris_work> yeah agree, they can't hardly unwind themselves from it all now
12:54 <Ombwah> Also FFS guise Khan Gorai is not Egyptian, Fucking Khollaja was, the Gorai tribes killed them in wars (and thereafter came the blight that turned the savannahs to dust.) Lore drop -nyaaaah
12:54 <Ombwah>
12:55 <Polaris_work> woo
12:55 <Serbaayuu> Nevermind that Elona, while pretty cool, was just a mishmash of Earth cultures pasta'd into the world.
12:56 <Serbaayuu> Also you better not tell the thread that the Gorai *are* "savages"
12:56 <Serbaayuu> ./were
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12:57 <Donnie_Ergo> Ok I feel like we will know everything about the world in irc
12:57 <Polaris_work> lol serb
12:57 <Polaris_work> the amirite would be hella bad
12:58 <Eversor> http://i.imgur.com/vArNgZw.gif
12:58 <Ombwah> Yknow whaT? I'm just going to build in the lore drops for some key bits of "not so lost history" and lay out the genetic makeups of the regions being shipped. I think that will be eye-opening
12:58 <Ombwah> I will sacrifice some content for the greater good
12:58 <Selae> \o/
12:58 <Polaris_work> cool!
12:58 <Serbaayuu> \o/
12:59 <Eversor> Ombwah, did the Gorai tribes kill Khollaja before or after NR?
12:59 <Ombwah> WAY before
13:00 <Ombwah> They were in harmony before for millennia, something happened
13:00 <Eversor> someone made a dickbutt and Gorai took it the wrong way?
13:00 <Serbaayuu> ^
13:01 <Eversor> that's why we can't have dickbutts in the game
13:01 <Donnie_Ergo> Any info on SKypass? Where did those monks come from?
13:02 <Eversor> lol Polaris, way ahead of me
13:02 <Polaris_work>
13:02 <Polaris_work> seemed the fastest way to do it
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13:02 <ChanServ> [RawrTiggs] https://www.revivalgame.com/
13:02 <Eversor> you get the badge of honor
13:02 <Polaris_work> wb Tiggs
13:03 <RawrTiggs> Thanks!
13:03 <Serbaayuu> o/
13:03 <BloodDragon> wb tiggs
13:03 <Ombwah> The founders of Skypass were a mix of cultures. The "whitest complexioned" people came from the moutnain range that Skypass is built in, only further down the mountain. No one lived where Skypass is historically, it's above the tree line
13:04 <Ombwah> (i.e. not super hospitable from the start)
13:06 *** Ombwah is now known as Ombwah|Burgers
13:06 *** Snipehunter is now known as Snipey|Lunch
13:08 <Polaris_work> getting some lunch, back ina few
13:14 <PetdCat_> Well, since Skypass is Blue, can we get a "whitest complexioned" Red city?  Where people wear overalls and have bad teeth?  It's a balance thang y'all.  Since it is a Red city, we can call them Red Knecks
13:14 <Serbaayuu> no Pet that's not necessary because
13:16 <Donnie_Ergo> Petd, Skypass is gray
13:17 <Serbaayuu> dats racist
13:17 <Donnie_Ergo> no you are
13:17 <PetdCat_> Every Friday the restaurants can have a Dagonfish Fry with hushpuppies and Tartarus sauce.
13:18 <Serbaayuu> hue
13:18 <PetdCat_> <cue Dueling Lutes please>
13:18 Donnie_Ergo slaps Serbaayuu around a bit with a large trout
13:19 <BloodDragon> donnie, slap pet with the trout
13:19 *** Donnie_Ergo is now known as Donnie_Ergo|afk
13:19 <PetdCat_> can I deep fry it?
13:19 <Donnie_Ergo|afk> straight outta irc
13:20 <Donnie_Ergo|afk> summoning Bjoern
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13:21 <VileshDarothar> evening all
13:21 <PetdCat_> Hola
13:21 <BloodDragon> hey vilesh
13:22 <Polaris_work> heya Bjoern
13:23 <BloodDragon> right, bjoern, i keep forgetting
13:24 <Serbaayuu> snipe that's not lunch that's forum posting
13:24 <Serbaayuu> cheater
13:24 <BloodDragon> there's a difference?
13:24 <arki> inspired post
13:25 <Serbaayuu> Snipe subsists on posts?
13:25 <Polaris_work> I thought he was very tactful
13:26 <Selae> Agreed. I'm definitely moving to KG.
13:31 <PetdCat_> That was nicely done
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13:32 <Serbaayuu> GUYS
13:32 <Serbaayuu> guys
13:32 <Serbaayuu> g u y s
13:32 <Polaris_work> hey TJ
13:32 <Trapjaw> Hey hey
13:32 <Serbaayuu> hi Mr. Jaw
13:32 <Eversor> SERB
13:33 <Eversor> serb
13:33 <Eversor> s e r b
13:33 <Serbaayuu> new Monster Musume episode today *u*
13:34 <Eversor> harem
13:34 <Serbaayuu> shhhhhhh
13:37 <BloodDragon> hey tj
13:38 <Serbaayuu> it's actually pretty funny & good (???) or maybe that is the power of ecchi talking
13:39 <Serbaayuu> But I've also been watching nothing but Slice of Life lately because I am not emotionally stronk enuff to handle real anime ;-;
13:42 <Eversor> *hugs Serb*
13:42 <Eversor> don't watch Grave of the Fireflies then
13:42 <Serbaayuu> nyegh
13:42 <Serbaayuu> ye prolly not gonna do that
13:42 <Serbaayuu> I just want NGNL to continue is that so bad ;-;
13:43 <Eversor> I had to quit halfway through and never went back
13:43 <Eversor> that was like 10 years ago or so
13:43 <Serbaayuu> lol
13:43 <Serbaayuu> I could also devour Casshern Sins like for all time so if they wanted to just make that a 1,000 episode serial i'd be k
13:44 <Serbaayuu> even though that would inherently break the beauty of the series by overextending it :<
13:46 <Serbaayuu> I also don't really want to watch One Piece because I've watched like 300 episodes of the Funimation dub and do noooot want to switch to the subs.
13:47 <Eversor> jap dub > eng dub
13:48 <Serbaayuu> u wanna fukn go
13:48 <Eversor> let's go
13:48 <Serbaayuu> (i've never watched the original dub i just love Funi's dub)
13:53 <Eversor> at least Luffy doesn't sound super fucking bad and emotionless in eng dub
13:53 <Eversor> so I forgive you
13:53 <Serbaayuu> ^
13:54 <Serbaayuu> He's got the same kinda thing Goku's got going on, right?
13:54 <Eversor> haven't watched DBZ
13:55 <Serbaayuu>
13:56 *** Ombwah|Burgers is now known as Ombwah
13:57 <Trapjaw> Holy shit, do I see moderation on the forums?!
13:58 *** Snipey|Lunch is now known as Snipehunter
13:59 <Serbaayuu> \o/
14:02 <Polaris_work> you do and wb snipey
14:02 <Polaris_work> and Ombwah
14:02 Snipehunter waves
14:02 <Snipehunter> howdy all
14:03 <Snipehunter> I actually subsist on posts... and breakfast sandwiches.
14:03 <Polaris_work> your post was very tactful
14:03 Snipehunter hopes it's taken in that light.
14:03 <Snipehunter>
14:03 <Serbaayuu> uuuuuu breakfast sandwich *n*
14:06 <Ombwah> o/
14:06 babycannon sneaks into the room and hides behind Polaris_work's superlong name
14:07 Serbaayuu lunges at Cannon
14:07 babycannon vomit son Serb
14:07 Serbaayuu absolutely dodges.
14:08 babycannon considers changing typo, but likes it better this way
14:09 Trapjaw thinks it's more disturbing, certainly
14:10 <Serbaayuu> I mean it doesn't make sense so
14:10 <babycannon> that shows a lack of imagination
14:11 <babycannon> all things can be made to sound disturbing or perverse, if you want them to
14:12 <Trapjaw> Moist....
14:12 <Serbaayuu> http://i.imgur.com/3ajOdqL.jpg
14:12 babycannon vomits on Trapjaw
14:13 Trapjaw takes it one step too far....
14:14 *** Figmunch is now known as Figment
14:14 <babycannon> oops. Sorry for ruining your lunch, Fig
14:16 <Serbaayuu> goinghome time
14:16 <Serbaayuu> monster anime
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14:16 <Figment> No worries!
14:16 <Figment> Lunch was not ruined
14:16 <BloodDragon> oh yay fig is still alive
14:17 <babycannon> *whew*
14:17 <Figment> Indeed. I was waylaid by enemies and forced to defend myself
14:17 <Figment> They didn't know what they were dealing with
14:19 <BloodDragon> \o/
14:22 <Donnie_Ergo|afk> desu desu desu
14:22 <VileshDarothar> Ombwah I'm told you said some really interesting stuff earlier... mind summarising?
14:23 <VileshDarothar> its ok your comments were saved for posterity and I'm being spammed them
14:23 <VileshDarothar> thanks Donnie!
14:24 <Ombwah>
14:24 *** Donnie_Ergo|afk is now known as Donnie_Ergo
14:25 <Ombwah> <babycannon> all things can be made to sound disturbing or perverse, if you want them to:  https://youtu.be/9qmUJpcPAaM
14:26 <babycannon> I don't know this, but I promise I will listen to it later. Right now I'm listening to TB and Jim Sterling be more-than-usually insane
14:28 <Donnie_Ergo> Ombwah, but why is Skypass gray if its like all solid and theologic?
14:28 <Donnie_Ergo> Mix of theologic and merchant city should be super solid
14:28 <VileshDarothar> it studies not follows religion?
14:28 <Donnie_Ergo> uh?
14:29 <Ombwah> Grey because the Brauggines are self interested, and Skypass is businesslike and neutral rather than a paragon of "goodness" so to speak
14:30 <Snipehunter> Mechanically, Skypass starts gray because the aggregate karma of its citizens calculates into the gray range.
14:30 <VileshDarothar> Ombwah said that so much more interestingly i'm afraid
14:31 <Donnie_Ergo> Well I mean, if we take city-to-city power and etc, Skypass is strong
14:31 <Snipehunter> I'm never posting in a cultural thread again. Mark my words.
14:32 <VileshDarothar> not entirely convinced on the merits of blue vs grey though - i mean what practical difference does it have?
14:32 <VileshDarothar> skypass sounds very authoritarian and controlled
14:32 <VileshDarothar> so if its stable and secure then.... not sure why I'd want it to be blue
14:33 <Donnie_Ergo> lol even Snipe got sad about forums
14:33 <Snipehunter> Heheh yeah, but Ombwah's answer implies something that isn't necessarily true: That blue is "good" and red is "bad" so I stand by my clinical answer.
14:33 <Donnie_Ergo> it seems that I didnt make a wrong choice with Skypass
14:34 <Snipehunter> More tired than sad, but yet. I guess I just don't see the point in standing up to be ignored.
14:34 <VileshDarothar> well tbh red does sound bad and shit
14:34 <Donnie_Ergo> chaotic ye
14:34 <Snipehunter> Well that's just, like, your opinion man.  Khan Gorai sounds awesome to me.
14:34 <VileshDarothar> only reason to base in a red city seems to be if you want to roleplay smeone thats horrible
14:35 <Ombwah> Red and blue are mechanics that I'd rather were necessary evils (where do the PvP players go when they've gotten extra murdery and need some sort of mechanical home) than a determiner of where you go or what you do
14:35 <Donnie_Ergo> Snipe, where in unreal 4 we can get best quality for the client?
14:35 <Ombwah> we don't think of a favela as a "Red city of Rio" rather a less-strictly-controlled environment
14:35 <Donnie_Ergo> I'd say that red = chaotic, blue = stable
14:35 <VileshDarothar> but why is grey not a perfectly good pvp background?
14:35 <VileshDarothar> for me it avoids the extremes and you have more latitude
14:35 <Ombwah> closer Donnie, yes. Also all cities are open PvP - just some have more guards
14:36 <Ombwah> grey is fine, granted who you align with
14:36 <Ombwah> and where you do your acting out
14:36 <Ombwah> really though, that's the truth EVERYWHERE
14:37 <VileshDarothar> i'm likely to be a "help out the guild pvper" so unlikely to be murdering someone in their house or ganking them repeatedly at a spawn so for me not so bothered...
14:37 <BloodDragon> i wonder if people are reading into the red vs blue vs grey too much
14:37 <VileshDarothar> my kits for the outer etc gods seem more problematic
14:37 <Snipehunter> You probably have everything turned up already Donnie, but there is an ini file you can check in c:\users\yourname\AppData\Local\Revival\Saved\Config\WindowsNoEditor\ called GameUserSettings.ini
14:38 <Snipehunter> In there you can set the scaliblity group settings. The first entry text quality or whatevers goes from 1-100, the rest go from 1-3, with three being best.
14:38 <Snipehunter> *resolutionQuality
14:39 <BloodDragon> [ScalabilityGroups]
14:39 <BloodDragon> sg.ResolutionQuality=100
14:39 <BloodDragon> sg.ViewDistanceQuality=3
14:39 <BloodDragon> sg.AntiAliasingQuality=3
14:39 <BloodDragon> sg.ShadowQuality=3
14:39 <BloodDragon> sg.PostProcessQuality=3
14:39 <BloodDragon> sg.TextureQuality=3
14:39 <BloodDragon> sg.EffectsQuality=3
14:39 <VileshDarothar> problem for me with blue is more theres likely to be swarms of pious noddists trying to persecute me for my religious choices/affilitions
14:40 <BloodDragon> #LetsBuildOurOwnCity
14:40 <Snipehunter> yeah blue cities tend to police behavior more than red or gray cities.
14:40 <Snipehunter> Though red cities sort of swap "totalitarianism" for other things.
14:40 <Snipehunter> like "mob rule"
14:41 <BloodDragon> i forget is cr more blue or grey?
14:42 <Donnie_Ergo> Well you said we dont get ultra setting in the client
14:42 <Donnie_Ergo> and it looks like a lot worse compared to streams\
14:43 <Snipehunter> That's the lighting, Donnie.
14:43 <Donnie_Ergo> cant be only lightning
14:43 <Snipehunter> Sadly there's nothing you can do about that on your end.
14:43 <Snipehunter> It really is.
14:43 <Donnie_Ergo> gon check it nao thx BD and Snipe
14:43 <Donnie_Ergo> wow
14:43 <BloodDragon> it's dependent on your own hardware, donnie
14:43 <Donnie_Ergo> well my hardware is 100% legit for any gaem
14:43 <Snipehunter> Well yeah, I mean if you're comparing to the streams we did to be clear - we were streaming with a different lighting model.
14:44 <Donnie_Ergo> yeah got it all maxed out alrdy
14:44 <Donnie_Ergo> so hows the issue going?
14:45 <Donnie_Ergo> I mean with the lightning
14:45 <Snipehunter> Right now we're working with some external partners like NVidia on good solutions, but I don;t have any concrete news, I'm afraid.
14:46 <Snipehunter> The stuff NVidia has shown is awesome though, so I hope that pans out, because it looks even better than the original implementation of GI we were trying to get working.
14:47 <babycannon> pessimistic question of the day: Do you think lighting will always be Revival
14:48 <babycannon> 's albatross, or do you think you can come up with something better/worse?
14:49 <BloodDragon> fortunately, exterior lighting won't be a problem
14:49 <Snipehunter> lol, nah I think it will get resolved soon. It's the one "let down" of UE4 to me though - there are other engines, less capable engines even, that have this already working natively as part of the engine. The fact that UE4 isn't there yet itself highlights that it's still pretty new, in terms of this generation's competitors. They know their deficiencies though so even if our own efforts didn't pan out, they will address it themselves
14:49 <Snipehunter> eventually.
14:49 <Snipehunter> We're not the only team working in UE to complain to them about it, in fact.
14:50 <BloodDragon> hopefully it's not too much hassle to alter the engine code to meet your needs
14:50 <babycannon> someone want to capture that answer so w e can haunt snipe with it in the months and years to come?
14:50 <Donnie_Ergo> hehe I heard like you guys were working on sulution like 5-6 months ago (:
14:51 <Snipehunter> Heheh "soon" is a relative term. Like savage or civilized.
14:52 <Donnie_Ergo> oh we know that for shizzlwe
14:53 <BloodDragon> hey, hey, i am a civilized savage, i'll have you know!
14:53 <Snipehunter> I believe you BD. They exist all over the place.
14:53 <BloodDragon>
14:55 <Donnie_Ergo> Plan for Skypass is to keep city rich and prosperous
14:55 <BloodDragon> so i'm waiting to see how long that character customization and diversity thread remains quiet now
14:55 <Donnie_Ergo> and make lands around distant cities covered with blood
14:55 <Snipehunter> Probably for awhile. I'm tired of responding.
14:55 <BloodDragon> he's quick to retaliate, that's for sure
14:55 <Loric> I was trying to work my way through that post, hard to do while at work
14:56 <BloodDragon> and, donnie, that's fascinating, but i imagine getting OUT of skypass will be equally as difficult as getting INTO skypass
14:56 <Donnie_Ergo> dunno few guys just ruined forums for me so lets not talk about them
14:56 <Donnie_Ergo> BD, why so?
14:57 <BloodDragon> terrain and weather conditions for starters
14:57 <Donnie_Ergo> meh there are good roads
14:57 <Donnie_Ergo> one to the Falcreek and another to a port
14:58 <Selae> I know we aren't talking about these people but... Dygz just posted a rant about context being important and interpretations altering messages. Not in the cultures thread.
14:58 <BloodDragon> maybe i'm wrong, but i've seen mention that getting to skypass isn't exactly easy, so i'd imagine the reverse to be near equally true
14:58 Selae runs away
14:58 *** Selae is now known as Selae|Away
14:59 <Ombwah> Look, I cant finish this culture post if yall dont stop postin'
15:00 <Snipehunter> Yeah, there are roads, but even so it's a climb and the weather is poor. Still, barring some sort of emergency making them close the gates, getting in and out skypass is more about customs inspections than anything else, I think.
15:00 <BloodDragon> hehe
15:01 <Ombwah> ^ and the weather sucks
15:01 <BloodDragon> yes, i believe we've mentioned the weather around skypass, in case anyone missed that
15:01 <Snipehunter> Skypass? I hear the weather's really bad up there.
15:02 <Trapjaw> We're going to have weather affect us physically yeah?
15:02 <Snipehunter> Oh for sure
15:02 <Loric> Isn't that what portals are for?
15:02 <Donnie_Ergo> Well if we own half of the city customs wont be a problem
15:02 <Trapjaw> Good, good. I would expect no less from you Snipe
15:02 <Trapjaw> Seeing as I know how much you like Frostfall
15:02 <Donnie_Ergo> and since BA team is extra celeb and rich.. no problemo with equip
15:03 <Eversor> pay2BA confirmed
15:03 <Trapjaw> That's not far from the truth Evert
15:03 <Trapjaw> Ever*
15:04 <Trapjaw> Site needs monies to stay upgraded
15:04 <Eversor> I just remembered something
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15:04 <Donnie_Ergo> ha
15:05 <Trapjaw> lawl
15:07 <BloodDragon> he disappeared with a quickness
15:07 <Selae|Away> gnite folks
15:08 <Loric> o/ Selae|Away
15:08 *** Loric is now known as Loric-Working
15:08 <BloodDragon> later selae
15:08 <Polaris_work> do we need to get Tiggs on it again?
15:10 <Polaris_work> so very tempted to ask why anyone thinks they need to post in the alts thread since it's obviously a monologue lol
15:10 <Ombwah> sort of a moot one too, yeah?
15:11 <Ombwah> play the gaime, see what happenz
15:11 <Donnie_Ergo> is it Dygz and his guys again?
15:11 <Donnie_Ergo> oh I see
15:12 <Loric-Working> wow, that is a monologue isn't it?
15:12 <Selae|Away> He's upset that other people's interpretations are altering the message he's trying to communicate.
15:12 <babycannon> Ombwah, that sounds like you're imposing unrealistic expectations again... play the game?? Pfft! Why would anyone want to do that when they can just forum PvP for global supremacy over all servers rather than just 1
15:13 <Snipehunter> I'm really disappointed in the forums right now. I feel like we could all be so much better than the forums makes us out to be.
15:13 *** doktahKite is now known as sailKite
15:13 <Polaris_work> wow dygz can be such an ass
15:13 <sailKite> you rang
15:13 <Selae|Away> Cuz ya know, he's not misinterpreting the message about the intention of KG.
15:13 <Selae|Away> And altering the message.
15:13 <BloodDragon> yay! sail survived his coktoring! \o/
15:13 <sailKite> but now I gotta do other stuff for my sister but then
15:13 <sailKite> THEN
15:13 <Selae|Away> Okay I'm leaving for real. Why am I still here.
15:14 <Polaris_work> lol
15:14 <sailKite> I will get through more than 1.23k words
15:14 <Polaris_work> we are moew entertaining than the forums?
15:14 <Polaris_work> more*
15:14 <sailKite> because we're not stopping
15:14 <sailKite> the 6k train has no brakes
15:14 <Snipehunter> I feel like the forums are just generally about trying to "chill speech" rather than about making the game better, right now. My inclination is to not speak, and that strikes me as the absolute opposite of what makes the forums valuable.
15:14 <Trapjaw> I read Dygz's comment about PnP RPG PvP being rare and smiled a wry smile
15:14 <Polaris_work> same snipey, so very tempting to just walk away from the forums as others have
15:14 <babycannon> *hugs sail because he survived, hugs snipe because we can run away from the forum cancer when we want, but he has to try to work through it*
15:15 <Trapjaw> Some of the best PvP I have ever had playing any games has been via PnP roleplaying
15:15 <Trapjaw> Most of it was playing Vampire: The MAsquerade
15:15 <sailKite> (if anyone wants to be super cool and earn tickle rights on me, could ya log everything in here from since I left? I have a feeling it will be gone by the time I get back)
15:15 <sailKite> (plus face it, you all want tickle rights)
15:15 <Polaris_work> and we have people like Gideon who wants info nao so he can buy his fancy shizz and bitch about something else
15:16 <Polaris_work> and that riles up a bunch of other folks
15:16 <Trapjaw> Everyone is trying to post something that will have the devs quote them and say "This" or "You're right"
15:16 *** sailKite is now known as helpingKite
15:17 Loric-Working tries to avoid being sarcastic
15:18 <VileshDarothar> mmh I can barely think of any pnp pvp and I've been playing since tunnels and trolls/the red book of basic dnd
15:18 <BloodDragon> did anyone understand sail's request?
15:18 <VileshDarothar> only 1 non consenual incident
15:18 <VileshDarothar> wait no 2
15:19 <Donnie_Ergo> Snipe, thats only because of one or two guys ducking it up for us
15:19 <babycannon> BD he was asking if anyone had been logging IRC chat, to please send it to him
15:19 <XDem> Forums are like that also because right now there's not much to do but speculate
15:19 <XDem> It'll get better
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15:19 <VileshDarothar> surely said is in here?
15:19 <Serbaayuu> back
15:19 <VileshDarothar> sail
15:19 <Serbaayuu> looks like he's doing chores
15:20 <Polaris_work> he's like a post of what he missed before and what he'll miss now
15:20 <Polaris_work> he'd*
15:20 <BloodDragon> why couldn't he log it himself?
15:21 <helpingKite> because I'm bad
15:21 <helpingKite> and can't log
15:21 <PetdCat_> I just don't want to post a good meaty discussion because it always appears to be devolve into either character attacks, or a circle jerk between the same couple of people
15:21 <Snipehunter> logless.
15:21 helpingKite grumbles and goes back to helping
15:21 <helpingKite> Logless Horizon
15:21 <babycannon> He just got home and needed to run off again, and by the time he returns it will have scrolled out of the temp memory prolly
15:21 <helpingKite> ^
15:21 <Donnie_Ergo> XDem, it looks like Dygz dont need any new info
15:21 <Donnie_Ergo> he s now talking with himself and since Tiggs locked one thread he moved to other
15:22 <XDem> heh I saw that
15:22 <Polaris_work> I have a log, sail
15:22 <XDem> And then people wonder why I say reddit is soo much better
15:22 <Polaris_work> what can I use to send this to him? pastebin?
15:22 <VileshDarothar> reddit is awful
15:22 <VileshDarothar> it has no redeeming qualities...
15:22 <XDem> Posts like that would be downvoted straight away, circlejerks kept in their corner, and actual, pertinent info upvoted and presented first
15:23 <Euridice> I hear voat is the new reddit
15:23 <VileshDarothar> its literally the place taht all the trolls in the world congregate
15:23 <Snipehunter> But.. but... Reddit is a pit where people just come in and shit all over threads. Sure, there are people who can currate the threads and... OOOHHHH. I get it.
15:23 <Polaris_work> dygz has just dygzbombed the forums
15:23 <VileshDarothar> they just escape occasionally to reach elsewhere
15:23 <Snipehunter> I thought that was something awful
15:23 <Donnie_Ergo> I cant read reddit
15:23 <Snipehunter> I actually like Reddit but I spend very little time there, oddly.
15:24 <Snipehunter> Like subconsciously I just forget to check it.
15:24 <Donnie_Ergo> Psst, tell Dygz that he can stop doing giant posts and it will be much better on forums again
15:24 <Donnie_Ergo> shhh
15:24 <XDem> Reddit actually allows me to read what I want, and ignore the trolls and downvoted posts, instead of having to navigate through the muds that regular forums are to maybe possibly get one good post
15:24 <VileshDarothar> reddit is a great source of information from people who connect to it...
15:24 <Snipehunter> You know, in all fairness to Dygz, while he is the posterboy in the present scenario, the problem isn't his alone.
15:24 <VileshDarothar> so many posts and threads with imbedded stuff to harvest your data.....
15:25 <Snipehunter> I even *like* Dygz and generally want to hear what he has to say, but I much prefer speaking to him person over reading his posts.
15:25 <Snipehunter> well in "net person" anyway.
15:25 <Snipehunter> But the way the forums are right now, it's easy to forget that.
15:25 <Donnie_Ergo> there is a reason why Dygz got all the aggro you know
15:25 <XDem> m'eh, it was Onimaru before him, and before him it was Chesh, etc
15:25 <Donnie_Ergo> http://puu.sh/jOrFz/a5568bc473.png
15:25 <XDem> Forums being forums
15:26 <Snipehunter> That's sort of what I mean XDem, right enough.
15:26 <Donnie_Ergo> eh
15:26 <Donnie_Ergo> as you wish
15:26 <VileshDarothar> he's generally interesting but he's the posterboy for putting things peopel neevr said into their mouths and using it to be dismissive of them
15:27 <BloodDragon> wow ... i ... uh ... i think a cold snap just hit the forums
15:27 <VileshDarothar> i almost made the mistake of posting the other day to ask him if his mother had taught him any manners at all..  then luckily work distracted me *looks innocent*
15:27 <Donnie_Ergo> Such a racist
15:28 <VileshDarothar> but in fairness theres about 56 peopel all in the same arguments that are just as bad
15:28 <VileshDarothar> 5-6
15:28 <Polaris_work> since snipe's post, I think dygz has posted 8 times >.<
15:28 <Donnie_Ergo> lets just not talk about him then, best option is to stay away from forums until he will go to holidays or smth
15:28 <PetdCat_> I love Dygz, we spent a good deal of time in Landmark talking through all that craziness.  He can just dig his feet in when he feels attacked and everyone is the loser.
15:29 <Polaris_work> lol cold just did a stfu
15:29 <VileshDarothar> hey it could be worse imagine if all those people were in here.....
15:29 <VileshDarothar> .... now doesn't that thought chill you
15:29 <Donnie_Ergo> Chesh was like super chill in irc
15:30 <Polaris_work> yeah she was fine in irc and the forums calmed down
15:30 <BloodDragon> chesh needs to come back to irc
15:30 <VileshDarothar> cheshire on the forums is one of the worst though
15:30 <Donnie_Ergo> wow cold0911 is a man
15:30 <Polaris_work> and the things we said about keeping the forums sane became important to her
15:30 <Donnie_Ergo> said what I've been thinking
15:31 <BloodDragon> i dunno, i don't see any good coming out of cold's post, though ... if anything, it's only going to further exacerbate the issue
15:31 <Snipehunter> Yeah exactly Polaris. Honestly, no one who has stirred up the forums, with the possible exception of Albus who I'm pretty sure was trolling for fun (with all apologies if I'm wrong!), are bad folks at all!
15:32 <BloodDragon> don't worry snipe, we all know you're really albus
15:32 <Polaris_work> oh heck no, I enjoy Dygz on the livestream
15:32 <XDem> I'm still saying it takes two to tango
15:32 <Polaris_work> his forum posting manner is odd though and provocative
15:32 <PetdCat_> Ouch....that was harsh.....I'm not sure that is going to make the issue any better.
15:32 <XDem> If the agressivity was toned down on the other sides, he may not post as much/as often/as badly
15:32 <PetdCat_> <cold's post>  but I could be wrong
15:32 <XDem> side*
15:33 <BloodDragon> i'm in agreement with you, pet
15:33 <Donnie_Ergo> I was really mad about his words last stream btw
15:33 <Donnie_Ergo> I mean Dygz
15:33 <Polaris_work> well if we stopped posting maybe his monologue would become more apparent. but it's hard to not respond
15:33 <BloodDragon> even if people bother you, you don't just out and publicly snap on them like that
15:34 <Trapjaw> I think IRC needs to quit bitching about the forums
15:34 <Donnie_Ergo> maybe
15:34 <VileshDarothar> i agree ergo why i suddnly went quiet
15:34 <Donnie_Ergo> but now even our lovely devsies noticed it
15:34 <PetdCat_> I don't know what the solution to this is going to be.  The forums are the public face of the game to the community.  It should be resolved.
15:34 <Loric-Working> I'm just happily lost in here currently
15:34 <VileshDarothar> suddnely realised i was bitching about peopel that couldn't respond...
15:34 <BloodDragon> i think i'm just gonna close out of these things for a bit and find something else to do ...
15:34 <VileshDarothar> so shut up
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15:35 <XDem> Alright no bitching, constructive conversation, do you guys think more moderation would help or not at all?
15:35 <babycannon> for better or worse, I just sent Dygz a rather pointed private message. I expect him to fire back when he sees it but maybe, just maybe I can get him to calm down a bit
15:35 <Trapjaw> Dygz needs warned for spamming
15:35 <Trapjaw> Cold needs warned for just being an ass
15:36 <Trapjaw> Chesh and Oni need warned for post that does nothing to contribute to threads they post in
15:36 <Snipehunter> Snipe needs warned for posting too many gifs
15:36 <Trapjaw> In short, yes moderation would be a plus
15:36 <XDem> I thought that was Donnie
15:37 <Trapjaw> Never too many gifs
15:37 <Trapjaw> Never.
15:38 <Donnie_Ergo> wow XDem
15:38 <XDem> <3
15:38 <XDem> I jest, I jest
15:39 <Donnie_Ergo> I only post gifs and pics because I wanna comment someones words
15:39 <Donnie_Ergo> but I dont like posting 1000-words worthless shit when I dont have anything to say
15:39 <Polaris_work> X has a good point but more moderation may not fix it. Maybe a different kind of moderation?
15:40 <Donnie_Ergo> pic is a light and maybe even funny way to express my thoughts
15:40 <VileshDarothar> could be worse in donnie and my corp in eve we've spent most of the evening discussing libertarian politics and sweatshops...
15:40 <Polaris_work> lol
15:40 <VileshDarothar> imagine that conversation on the revival forums...
15:40 <VileshDarothar> but ours was decently chill
15:41 <Polaris_work> well some of the problem with the revival forums is that people bring their baggage and project it. and some of that is sensitive, like racial topics
15:41 <Polaris_work> the forums blew up about the sex minigame, then calmed down
15:42 <VileshDarothar> i totally avoided the sex blog/threads
15:42 <Polaris_work> same
15:42 <Donnie_Ergo> wtb mod
15:44 <Snipehunter> Yeah, I want to believe that things will settle down, but it feels a lot like the whole atmosphere has changed of late.
15:44 <Polaris_work> agree snipe
15:44 <Trapjaw> Snipe, this was inevitable
15:44 <Donnie_Ergo> irc is still a champ
15:44 <Snipehunter> Still, I'm all "Never give up! Never surrender!" about it. I'm just gonna take a little break so I don't make it worse.
15:44 <Polaris_work> but I'm not clear how to shift it
15:44 <Ombwah> and to let me finish mah post!
15:45 <XDem> I for one believe in stronger moderation
15:45 <VileshDarothar> well in fairness i just think that people are spending their time going around in circles and as much information as you give us they'll just want more
15:45 <XDem> Just seing people double/triple post to add new ideas make me cringe
15:45 <XDem> Freaking use the edit button
15:45 <Euridice> hurry up ombwah, i want to see what you come up with
15:45 <Ombwah> If nothing else it will quiet down for an hour while you guys all read it
15:45 <Trapjaw> Forum rules (not just ToS) would be a good start
15:46 <VileshDarothar> where the posts are incredibly useful is with newer players that don't live on the forums....
15:46 <Loric-Working> like this guy here
15:46 <VileshDarothar> and you can see from the replies how much people appreciate the replies to questions they ask
15:46 <VileshDarothar> he he
15:46 <Donnie_Ergo> readign what?
15:46 <Polaris_work> But 99% of it could be found if they searched
15:47 <XDem> I don't think it matters too much, Pol
15:47 <XDem> But I'd be all for a "Newcomers" section on the forums
15:47 <Polaris_work> I know, but it bugs me they don't bother
15:47 <PetdCat_> true, but it can be hard to find stuff since there is so much of it spread over the webpages, blogs, and forums.
15:47 <XDem> So people who are bothered by that can avoid the flow of repeated questions
15:47 <VileshDarothar> yes polaris but then they'd have to read through the dyz/cold/chesh posts and they'd never come back
15:47 <arki> Trying so hard not to reply to Dygz latest in the diversity thread
15:48 <Polaris_work> I said it to Cheshire a number of times that she could search on things and she couldn't be bothered. But then she got into irc and got into making things better.
15:48 <PetdCat_> it took me a week to figure out how upgrade rooms worked, but then, I am slow at times.
15:48 <arki> That SNipes position is not possible if you are not in his "place of privilege"
15:48 <VileshDarothar> i mean if we don't go ont he forums how will new readers handle them?
15:48 <Polaris_work> Well so if moderation was adjusted, would ridiculous posts just go poof?
15:48 <Donnie_Ergo> Well we all know that the easiest cure is moderation
15:48 <arki> but i wont
15:49 <PetdCat_> yeah, the place of priviledge post pissed me off, but I walked away
15:49 <Polaris_work> or do we need a downvote system that hides them?
15:49 <Trapjaw> no downvotes..nooooo
15:49 <Polaris_work> right
15:49 <VileshDarothar> nit a fan of downvoting as it just becomes a tool to remove posts that run counter to your view
15:49 <Donnie_Ergo> no rep system pls
15:49 <VileshDarothar> not
15:49 <Polaris_work> but it works well in reddit for making the bad stuff go out of sight
15:49 <XDem> I'd much rather have a sort of upvote system than downvote... But I don't think up/downvotes suit a forum format
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15:50 <Trapjaw> The forums just need active mods
15:50 <Donnie_Ergo> XDem for moderator
15:50 <XDem> It works on reddit because of the way things are separated and presented
15:50 <PetdCat_> as if Reddit was a bastion of logical thought  LOL
15:50 <Polaris_work> right but how are they moderating? what are they doing?
15:50 <arki> it looks like he has wind himself up so bad now, wish he could take a break, not only for us but for his own sake
15:50 <XDem> And even then, reddit could get rid of the downvoting altogether and be a better place for it
15:50 <Polaris_work> do we need new forum rules?
15:50 <Trapjaw> Active moderators (they don't even need to moderate) would make poster aware of their presence
15:50 <Trapjaw> I don't think there are any dedicated forum rules atm
15:51 <Donnie_Ergo> http://strawpoll.me/5315492
15:51 <Donnie_Ergo> please check
15:51 <XDem> wtf Donnie
15:51 <Donnie_Ergo> just vote wow
15:51 <Polaris_work> Dygz hasn't really done anything but post a lot in a semi-provocative manner. that's not breaking any forum rules.
15:51 <Donnie_Ergo> democracy
15:51 <PetdCat_> The noise to signal ratio is just reaching the point where you just eyeroll when you login
15:52 <arki> true polaris, i dont think moderation helps anything but stopping the worst cases (like the pvp thread going bonkers)
15:52 <Polaris_work> yes, noise
15:52 <Donnie_Ergo> Pol, abusive shit should be controlled by the moderatorian
15:52 <Polaris_work> good way to put it
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15:52 <Donnie_Ergo>
15:52 <Polaris_work> where's the line re abuse? 10 posts per hour?
15:52 <Polaris_work> lol X
15:52 <Donnie_Ergo> Superhero our forums deserve
15:53 X_Dayum dons his cape and hammer
15:53 <arki> i think we need to Revive (tm) the consept of "agree to disagree"
15:53 <arki> as was mentioned before here
15:53 <Polaris_work> well we could get some community mods but so far, I think agency has not extended to players and there would need to be much clearer rules.
15:53 <X_Dayum> so much this, arki
15:53 <Donnie_Ergo> there was never such a working concept, arki
15:53 <arki> oh yes it is
15:53 <arki> ive done it with Dygz and it worked
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15:54 <arki> just dont try to get the last word in
15:54 <arki> then it never stops
15:54 <Donnie_Ergo> I am too pationed
15:54 <arki> Remember this: https://xkcd.com/386/
15:54 <X_Dayum> heh, but I do agree that a mod post simply saying "keep it civil, people" is usually more than enough
15:55 <Donnie_Ergo> arki, I don't care if someone is wrong or right
15:55 <arki> also true, its like the friendly policeman, calm everyone but the totally rabid ones
15:55 <Donnie_Ergo> like 99% of human beings
15:57 <Polaris_work> ok, I can see that
15:57 <Donnie_Ergo> I usually don't do hypocritical shit while communicating in the interwebs
15:59 <arki> Why would you need to be hypocritical?
16:00 <Donnie_Ergo> Because hypocrisy is one of the things which keeps civilization going
16:00 <Polaris_work> ugh
16:00 <Selae|Away> I'm a fan of this theory: http://www.ftrain.com/wwic.html
16:01 <Polaris_work> takes a lot less energy to just be direct
16:02 <Donnie_Ergo> hehe
16:02 <Donnie_Ergo> but being direct is not working
16:02 <arki> see no reason not be be direct, just know when to stop, when it is obvious that its not going anywhere
16:02 <X_Dayum> Holy mother of snipe's posts
16:02 <Donnie_Ergo> at least in the way people want it to
16:02 <Donnie_Ergo> dafuq
16:03 <arki> agree to disagree is just that - a way to end it without agreeing
16:03 <Donnie_Ergo> https://www.revivalgame.com/forum#/discussion/763/and-now-for-something-completely-different-an-old-design-document
16:03 <X_Dayum> arguing is ok, ad hominem much less
16:03 <Donnie_Ergo> Arki, if one day everyone will start being direct world will burn
16:04 <Donnie_Ergo> Thats why I usually argue only with people who I know/like
16:04 <Polaris_work> haha awesome
16:04 <Donnie_Ergo> Snipe, if its an old doc, is it still legit?
16:05 <arki> hehe theres direct and there is direct
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16:05 <Polaris_work> hey Leth
16:06 <Polaris_work> Serb will be sooooooooo happy to see that design doc
16:06 <arki> total honasty would lead to disaster in both small and large scale in society for sure
16:06 <arki> honesty*
16:06 <Polaris_work> well you'd have to get your ego out of the way

16:07 Lethality glances at the forums...
16:07 <Snipehunter> Mostly it's legit in that it's where we started from but we've refined things since then.
16:07 Lethality ... runs away screaming
16:07 <Donnie_Ergo> hi Leth boi
16:07 <Lethality> HAI Pol and Donnie and Snipe and Ark and all
16:07 <Donnie_Ergo> Snipe, but that means we wont know whats changed
16:08 arki needs to find a drink before charging into the gigantic post
16:08 <Polaris_work> haha no but we'll be kept busy speculating
16:08 <Donnie_Ergo> yeh
16:08 <arki> classic misdirection!
16:08 <Snipehunter>
16:09 <Snipehunter> Our documents translate into the forums like crap. Gonna have to fix that some day.
16:09 <Donnie_Ergo> but anyway, thats awesome Snipe, big thanks!
16:09 <Donnie_Ergo> it looks ok
16:09 <X_Dayum> Yeah it's good enough
16:09 <Donnie_Ergo> and yes, BA will make a city
16:09 <Serbaayuu> watched Monster Anime @_@ good times
16:09 <Donnie_Ergo> Serbster!
16:09 <Donnie_Ergo> Forums!
16:09 <Serbaayuu> i see that
16:09 <Donnie_Ergo> Nao!
16:10 <Serbaayuu> i am looging in now
16:10 <Donnie_Ergo> Desu!
16:10 <Lethality> Oh, cool post Snipe!
16:10 <Serbaayuu> omg snipe
16:11 <Serbaayuu> http://i.imgur.com/vp8jU5X.gif
16:11 <Donnie_Ergo> "donating SP to the settlement’s expansion fund" P2CITY
16:11 <Snipehunter> heheh
16:12 <Donnie_Ergo> So how many people we need to make s camp grow to a town in a week? And can we name it/control it if its one guild?
16:13 <X_Dayum> The message board reminds me of that discussion we had earlier on literacy
16:13 <X_Dayum> I am so much in love with the concept of literacy being an actual skill you need to level before you can actually have a journal
16:13 <Snipehunter> So a lot of that is meant to be "organic" which is to say that what the document calls "soft criteria" are meant to fluctuate at the "hands" of the storytelling team and the vDM so that there isn't really a fixed formula for when they happen as much as there are general trends.
16:13 <X_Dayum> And also being able to post STFU on town boards
16:14 <Polaris_work> I knew you would be so happy Serb
16:14 <Snipehunter> But generally speaking, an average of like half a dozen players in a campsite over 4 weeks (So keeping a daily average of half a dozen) should get hte storyteller's attention.
16:15 <Donnie_Ergo> how much is half a dozen?
16:15 <Donnie_Ergo> sorry I have no idea what engrish is
16:16 <Snipehunter> 6
16:16 <Polaris_work> dozen = 12, half = 6
16:16 <Snipehunter> Still makes me chuckle how we rebelled out of the empire early and are one of the last to keep using its measurements.
16:16 <arki> lol
16:17 <Donnie_Ergo> ploe
16:17 <Polaris_work> ha I didn't know there was anyone else using it
16:17 <Donnie_Ergo> Snipe, is the "sp to grow thing" still legit?
16:17 <Snipehunter> Yeah it's the US and like two tinpot dictator countries, I think. We're in terrible company.
16:17 <Trapjaw> Awesome post Snipe. Thanks for that
16:17 <VileshDarothar> what is the skypass grey view on religion and who you can legally worship?
16:17 <Snipehunter> Dunno yet Donnie. The idea is still on the table though.
16:18 <Donnie_Ergo> And what about naming/controllng things, Snipe?
16:19 <Serbaayuu> that post makes me feel things inside my body
16:19 <Snipehunter> We're sort of on the fence about naming them. It has to be done by hand one way or the other though (a storyteller has to edit the data directly), so we think we can probably set it up so that a campsite can vote on its own name as part of politics.
16:19 <Lethality> I'm gonna be Lulzlord
16:19 <Snipehunter> But in terms of political control, the local government will always be controlled by its citizens.
16:19 <Trapjaw> Bed time guys, gnight
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16:19 <Snipehunter> They will have to answer to the nation-state that houses the camp unless it grows into something that rivals said nation-state, of course.
16:22 <Donnie_Ergo> hmm
16:22 <Donnie_Ergo> but then.. what is the point for a community of players to make a city?
16:23 <arki> how is it not a point?
16:24 <Donnie_Ergo> well you make a city but not have all of members registered as "citizens" of that place and you dont even control it or smth
16:24 <Donnie_Ergo> So you are forced to move there
16:24 <Snipehunter> If you city grows beyond mere city status you will eventually become so influential in an area that you'll "calve off" into a nation of your own, then the real fun begins.
16:24 <Donnie_Ergo> easier and more profitable to choose an existing city
16:24 <Donnie_Ergo> still a long way and have to sit there
16:25 <arki> i like that, it should be a barrier
16:25 <Snipehunter> Well yes and no, Donnie. On the one hand, yeah a lot less work to just move into a city and work politically to make it something, but on the other hand growing a camp into a city gives you a lot more control over how that city develops, not to mention citizenship without having to purchase the land that grants it.
16:25 <arki> or noone would use the cities, they would just hang around in their camps
16:25 <Snipehunter> (You will still need to get a house built on your land though)
16:25 <arki> fragmenting stuff
16:26 <Snipehunter> The intent though is really that it happen organically - that a camp "just becomes" a city because it's already a place where people gather. In truth we don't exactly want you consciously working at it, at first.
16:27 <Snipehunter> That way, when they do pop up they will be in parts of the world currently underserved by cities where you have to camp. This helps us in two ways: It means we don't have to plan every city site in advance and it means that as you move through te world and civilize it, it will be reflected in the cities that grow out of that effort directly.
16:27 <Donnie_Ergo> so I have to buy a house in my own city I made from nothing?
16:28 <arki> Reminds me of an architect who told me he would never build pathways when creating some big project, he would just make lots of green space and see how people moved between buildings - then he would create brick roads on top of the paths that emerged
16:28 <Snipehunter> Not exactly, Donnie. We're still working out the details - but you will need to  build  a house on your land.
16:28 <Donnie_Ergo> with sp like all others?
16:29 <Snipehunter> So, grow a camp to a city, because you were part of that effort, you get land. You want a house there, you have to have it built.
16:29 <arki> you get the deed for the land for free if you have been there from the get go right?
16:29 <Polaris_work> I love that once a city is generated, it becomes a spawn point for new characters!
16:29 <Donnie_Ergo> is it?
16:29 <Snipehunter> That's the part we're not sure about, Donnie. I think it'll be more like ships, where if you can hire a bunch of master carpenters they can build it for you through labor instead of SP or money.
16:29 <Donnie_Ergo> I thought its only for blue city
16:30 <Donnie_Ergo> Thanks for the answers, so how long since release first player town will be build, you think?

16:31 <Serbaayuu> Hi
16:31 <Serbaayuu> 1 day
16:31 <Snipehunter> Probably awhile. We have some amount of direct control over that on our end too, so if you all congregate before we're ready, we can "stall" its growth for a bit until we have everything in place.
16:31 <Serbaayuu> :3
16:32 <Polaris_work> yeah snipe earlier said "half a dozen players in a campsite over 4 weeks (So keeping a daily average of half a dozen) should get hte storyteller's attention."
16:32 <Serbaayuu> (Also I'll probably go the route of organic placement you mentioned above but will also probably try to find one earlier than most)
16:33 <Polaris_work> so a month at least to go from camp to outpost
16:33 <Donnie_Ergo> yeh and you need a lot of recources and stuff
16:34 <Polaris_work> yeah
16:34 <Donnie_Ergo> people wont just go out in the first day into nowhere and make a city
16:34 <Polaris_work> and a bunch of folks hanging out there everday
16:34 <Polaris_work> sounds like a fun project!
16:36 <Donnie_Ergo> TO THE SECRET FORUMS!
16:36 <Serbaayuu> (nobody tell him he said that out loud)
16:37 <Serbaayuu> afk~
16:37 <Donnie_Ergo> ^_~
16:38 <Polaris_work> lol love your status board snipe
16:39 <VileshDarothar> so can you push the development of the outpost once its founded in any way
16:39 <VileshDarothar> say if you wanted them to develop a type of trade?
16:40 <Polaris_work> snipe can you explain why player deaths are part of the development criteria?

16:41 <arki> i wonder if making camps could play an important part in large scale long-standing wars
16:41 <arki> finding sweet spots to expand your reach
16:42 <Polaris_work> I bet they would
16:42 <Polaris_work> or could
16:42 <arki> guilds camping out in secret to avoid too much attention until they get a village going
16:42 <Donnie_Ergo> btw, with this "blog" Revival starting to be close to Europa Universalis
16:43 <Donnie_Ergo> Arki, don't think thats real
16:43 <Donnie_Ergo> but I wont tell you why
16:43 <Donnie_Ergo> :3
16:43 <arki> hard to keep that secret though
16:44 <arki> well if your city is hard to defend, you would be well of creating one that is
16:45 <arki> lots of soldiers need a place to gather and that may attract npcs
16:46 <Donnie_Ergo> much of aggression will be "artificial" because weapon companies can't be so well developed
16:46 <arki> guess it also depends on how easy it is to muster and move an army, from what ive read its not easy at all, hence the need for encampments in war should be there
16:48 <Snipehunter> Oh player deaths in the area would indicate two things: It's unsafe and people want to be there, so that would trigger guards being allocated to pacify the region.
16:49 <Donnie_Ergo> but that shouldnt mean a place with 0 deaths wont have any guards
16:50 <Donnie_Ergo> Medieval army starts from 15 people
16:50 <Snipehunter> That's correct. And these days criteria like that are more about who shows up when than they are about who shows up at all.
16:51 <Donnie_Ergo> and that also shows if it will become more red-ish or blue-ish I think
16:51 <Snipehunter> So, a place with no deaths might attract merchants first and it might then be the number of merchants that frequent an area that then triggers guards being assigned to it.
16:52 <Snipehunter> Right, the point in fact is to have what happens as the settlement grows flavor what sort of place it is. In fact the progression from camp to city and so on is more of a branching tree now than a linear progression.
16:52 <Snipehunter> So that a keep grows out of an area with a ton of fighting, for example.
16:53 <Donnie_Ergo> gotcha
16:53 <Donnie_Ergo> can we plan the city tho?
16:53 <Donnie_Ergo> somehow
16:53 <arki> Apply for ST position
16:54 <Snipehunter> Once it grows to the point where a local government is established, you have slightly more control, but in truth it's mostly meant to be sculpted by your actions rather than your wishes.
16:55 <Polaris_work> that's awesome
16:55 <Donnie_Ergo> eh
16:55 <arki> organic growth, love it
16:56 <Donnie_Ergo> I hoped it will be like a city-builder mode hehe
16:56 <arki> Sim city?
16:57 <arki> But with Cthulhu instead of Godzilla
16:57 <arki> Sim R'lyeh
16:57 <Donnie_Ergo> at least some "zones" or smth
16:58 <arki> i like the fact that noone decides this, that it just happens from what goes on
16:58 <arki> as far as that is possible
16:59 <Snipehunter> Yeah, in truth someone does decide - the STs - but if we get the presentation right, it will at least feel like it happened naturally.
16:59 <Polaris_work> yes me too, love the organic growth or recession
16:59 <Polaris_work> can an outpost crumble into nothing from a lack of attention?
16:59 <arki> ghost town!
17:00 <Snipehunter> Oh for sure, complete with ruins.
17:00 <Polaris_work> sweet
17:01 <arki> imagine coming back to the game after a long break and finding your home town deserted
17:01 <Polaris_work> yeah
17:01 <arki> just some empty shacks
17:01 <Polaris_work> or the road to the next town is gone, having been replaced by some other path that everyone takes now
17:02 <arki> yeah, you could either try to rebuild it or just sod it and find new land
17:02 <Donnie_Ergo> moving gates happened in medieval history
17:03 <Polaris_work> my god the forums have been quiet for over half an hour
17:04 <Polaris_work> woohoo!
17:04 <X_Dayum> Well now we know what needs to be done
17:04 <X_Dayum> Info post by the devs at least once an hour
17:04 <arki> Ill make a post about the ethnicity of Dragons
17:04 <X_Dayum> And forums will remain civil
17:04 <Polaris_work> has to be long dev posts!
17:05 <X_Dayum> Naturally
17:05 <Polaris_work> poor devs
17:05 <Polaris_work> too busy babysitting the forums to make our game
17:05 <Donnie_Ergo> are those flying dragons or the racist ones?
17:10 <PetdCat_> I find a place with ruins and iron ore deposits, I'll be living there in a tent     As long as there are portable forges, or we can build a forge.
17:10 <arki> im posting about how Dragons are allways misrepresented in games as the antagonists, and how they allways are associated with fire/red. Where are all the blue civilized Dragons? Actually where are the Dragons at all - the omission is just another example of how devs unvillingly become part of a systemic and subtle form of oppression
17:13 <Donnie_Ergo> Arki, check WoW lore..
17:13 <arki> or ill just enjoy the serenity of a civil and quiet forum
17:13 <Loric-Working> Dragonlance anyone?
17:13 <Donnie_Ergo> btw, my feelings about this blog-ish post
17:13 <arki> i hope noone for a second took that serious
17:14 <babycannon>  arki! I feel lied to!
17:14 <arki> lol
17:14 <arki> i was trying to make a snarky remark to the state of the forums, i may have failed miserably
17:16 <arki> haha fantastic clip Donnie
17:16 <arki> those moves!
17:16 <babycannon> I was already preparing my page-long response about thte history of dragons in the real world and how the addition of mechdragons spitting toxic acid and shooting lazer beams from their eyes could made the world more diverse and immersive
17:16 <Serbaayuu> devs add Havemercy
17:16 <arki> mechdragons are truly a minority that is so often overlooked
17:17 *** helpingKite is now known as sailKite
17:17 <Serbaayuu> or gaem is ded
17:17 <arki> and must be represented with all types of Dragons!
17:17 <sailKite> Dragonlance is a coo' series
17:18 <Donnie_Ergo> bc pls
17:18 <Polaris_work> sail I have a log for you but it's 14 pages long. where to send? O.o
17:18 <sailKite> uh
17:18 <sailKite> pastebin?
17:18 <sailKite> :x