Kapitän says:
 My dad took art classes in New York.'
 I was there for an art show.  Boring as shit.
rin ring says:
 Nice. And aw, shame.
Kapitän says:
 He also took me to art museums and art shows.
 So boooooooring
 I was like 10 and he expected me to stand there staring at a goddamn picture for half an hour.
rin ring says:
 Eh, some artists expect that.
 If I don't get it after examining it for about ten minutes, I don't like it.
Kapitän says:
 Get what?
 It's a fucking picture.
rin ring says:
 If I'm there for more then ten minutes, I'm just examining technique and shit like that.
 And whatever the hell the artist is trying to do. I just walk past most stuff nowadays, like, "Oh, okay."
Kapitän says:
 Artists are arrogant pricks who expect people to think they're amazing just for painting some fucking bushes.
 I hate art.
 But hell, I trolled the drawfags so much I think my stance on that is pretty damn clear, amirite?
rin ring says:
 I think art is expression, and expression is interesting. If they wanted to use words, they could've, but whatever.
 Yeah, drawfagging isn't art. Not for shit.
Kapitän says:
 People standing outside abortion clinics throwing bricks at women is expression.  Art is just a hobby.
rin ring says:
 Art's a form of expression. Even if it's some guy rapping about how sexy this chick he banged was, that's art. (Not necessarily good art, per se.)
 And yeah, people do throw bricks at shit and take videos of it and call it art.
Kapitän says:
 No
 But they're expressing their beliefs
 Not everything has to be related to art
rin ring says:
 I went to the Modern Museum of Art, and there was an exhibit of a guy doing whatever the fuck he wanted, and he took videos, and it was pretty good art.
 Art's intentional.
Kapitän says:
 God, you people act like art is the lifeblood of life
 It's not
 Plus an art degree is a good way to go hungry, so when you go off to college get a degree in accounting or something
rin ring says:
 It's pretty much the lifeblood of humanity, everything else we do just makes us live longer.
Kapitän says:
 No, money and power is the lifeblood of humanity
rin ring says:
 They just make us live a bit longer, no?
Kapitän says:
 No
 They make us not be a bunch of fucking cavemen
rin ring says:
 I'm pretty sure animals fight for power too.
Kapitän says:
 Yeah, but they fail to achieve it on the large scale
 America is a world superpower, and it didn't get that way with artistic expression
rin ring says:
 Yeah, because we've learned to express what we've learned, and others have learned from it. Cave art much?
Kapitän says:
 No
 We learned to shoot the guy with money and take it for ourselves
 Why do you think wars start?
rin ring says:
 And America fucking sucks now. We're the shithole of the art world, and we're the shithole of the economic world too.
Kapitän says:
 It's not to "stop the badguy"
 Everywhere sucks.
 And stop seeing the world through art-colored lenses.
 If you want to see a utopia start reading science fiction, because there'll never be a perfect society on this earth, sister.
rin ring says:
 Hah, who the hell said we'd ever be perfect?
Kapitän says:
 Perfect, acceptable, not shitty.. it's all just fantasy.
 As long as people have free will they'll fuck everything up.
rin ring says:
 Woah, philosophy 101 micro-course hitting me. Free will is just an illusion.
Kapitän says:
 Bullshit.
 We do what we want.
rin ring says:
 So do lions.
Kapitän says:
 The whole point of art is expressing yourself with FREE WILL
 No one tells you what to paint.
 You do it on your own.
rin ring says:
 Ok, taking back some things I said after remembering what I learned a few weeks ago.
Kapitän says:
 Or do you believe in fate or something stupid like that?
rin ring says:
 Neh, no fate. Just an infinite number of bits of information.
Kapitän says:
 Sure
rin ring says:
 Basically, we have no real free will. We just happened to evolve to be as fucking amazing as we are.
Kapitän says:
 DURR
 We evolved AND we have free will
 Free will is a natural thing
 Animals have it, we have it, plants don't but who fuckin' cares about plants anyway?
 Hell, I'm eating a plant right now.. and it's delicious.
 I love salads.
rin ring says:
 Uh, no. That "free will" shit you're talking about is a bunch of neurons controlling your need for power and dominance that most males in most animal species have.
Kapitän says:
 Those neurons are part of you, aren't they?
rin ring says:
 Not even trolling. And yes. But there's no "mind" separate from the brain. We're just a bunch of atoms.
Kapitän says:
 Your brain is your mind.
rin ring says:
 Controlled by neurons.
Kapitän says:
 Who gives a fuck if we're made of atoms, cells, molecules, or even fucking clay
 We think
 We feel
 We react
 It's free will
rin ring says:
 Controlled by neurons.
Kapitän says:
 DURR
 We're not controlled by neurons
rin ring says:
 It's not really "free will." If that's the case, dogs have "free will" too.
 Hell, so does grass.
Kapitän says:
 The neurons are simply the parts in the greater machine
 They're not the program
 And dogs do
rin ring says:
 And free will is what makes us human, no?
Kapitän says:
 Listen
rin ring says:
 Are dogs human now?
Kapitän says:
 If our neurons control us
 That implies the neurons have free will
 Which they don't, because they're just one piece of the atomic puzzle
rin ring says:
 EXACTLY
Kapitän says:
 The neurons are just the cogs in the machine of our minds
 And it's us who make use of it
rin ring says:
 Neurons are just chemicals and bits in our brains that interpret information from our senses.
Kapitän says:
 We all do whatever we want
 Free will
rin ring says:
 But "free will" is implying that we have a mind that'll just do whatever the hell it wants just because we want it to, and I'm saying, no, we do it because our surroundings prompt us to.
Kapitän says:
 And you're wrong
 Free will doesn't make us human
rin ring says:
 If you want to get a salad to prove your point, that's to prove my point.
Kapitän says:
 Every animal has free will
 Hell, we're fucking animals ourselves
 Highly evolved animals
 Intelligence and free will aren't the same thing
 WE do whatever the hell we want because WE want to
rin ring says:
 Yes, but we don't have "free will." We only do what makes us satisfied, because that's what animals thrive for. Satisfaction.
Kapitän says:
 That's free will
 A will that is free
 As in no one is controlling us other than ourselves, and our neurons count as being part of ourselves
 We decide the best means for that satisfaction
rin ring says:
 I'll make myself a sandwich if I'm hungry, unless, in the past, I made myself a sandwich, and it sucked, and my neurons are like "Fuck no Rin do some other shit." So I'll make a salad. Which my NEURONS have interpreted as delicious, and perhaps the best choice.
Kapitän says:
 And even then, that's not true
 Because people kill themselves all the time
 YOU ARE YOUR FUCKING NEURONS YOU PSYCHO
 They're part of you
rin ring says:
 But we don't have "free will."
Kapitän says:
 You control yourself
rin ring says:
 It's just our brains functioning.
Kapitän says:
 I don't know what class you're going to, but they're teaching you bullshit
rin ring says:
 If you want to say we have free will, then technically, computers have free will too, because they process information and act upon it. And grass. Grass does that too.
Kapitän says:
 Does the cog control the machine?
 Computers run programs
rin ring says:
 Yes, based on input
Kapitän says:
 They follow the same program over and over
rin ring says:
 input is all that counts
Kapitän says:
 UNLESS AN OUTSIDE FORCE INFLUENCES IT DIFFERENTLY
 IT IS CONTROLLED BY US
 WITHOUT US, IT CANNOT RUN
rin ring says:
 THAT'S INPUT, GENIUS
Kapitän says:
 There is no outside force controlling you
 It is internal
 Part of you
 Free
 will
 Neurons aren't sentient
 They're parts of you
 They don't control you, they merely make up part of your mind
rin ring says:
 Actually, there is. There's the horrible stench of frog and the light that resembles text which is simply a form of technology developed by human based on their surroundings.
 There's my really fucking wet hair that I think I should dry because I feel the water on my shirt, but since I have a slight mental disorder - caused by NEURON disorders - I'm too fucking lazy to dry it.
Kapitän says:
 CAUSED BY YOUR OWN FUCKING MIND YOU RETARD
rin ring says:
 NEURONS
 that's all your brain is, supergenius
 mush and neurons
  and the mush means jack shit
Kapitän says:
 Just because you react to external force it doesn't mean you don't have free will
 You choose if you should dry it or not
 You people have overthought the simpliest of shit to the point of you acting stubborn over it
rin ring says:
 Oh, and in the past, due to past experience, with sensory input that is process by my NEURONS, I have found that I'm perfectly fine not drying my hair.
Kapitän says:
 DURR NEURONS ARE THE REAL MASTERS
 EVEN THOUGH THEY DON'T CONTROL ANYTHING, BECAUSE CONTROLLING REQUIRES SENTIENCE.  THEY SIMPLY REACT THE SAME AS HOW YOU REACT.
 THEY'RE PART OF YOU RIN
 PART OF FUCKING YOU
 Case in point, you paint whatever you want.
 No two pictures are the same.
 And if you mention neurons one more time I'm going to punch you through the goddamn internet
rin ring says:
 That's what it is though. That's all we are. And furthermore, there's theories that we're just a bunch of fucking information, in almost infinite amounts.
 By the way, you so mad.
 I'm not even trolling, though.
Kapitän says:
 DURR I HAVE NO FREE WILL IT'S NOT MY FAULT I'M MAD
 It's not trolling, it's stupidity Rin
 And that's way worse.
rin ring says:
 It's not your fault. It's a primeval fear of someone having power over you.
Kapitän says:
 lolwut
 Power over me?
 No one has power over me
 Hell even your theory implies no one has power over me
 Neurons are a fucking cog, Rin
 They aren't sentient
 They don't think
 There's no one having power over me because I have free will
rin ring says:
 You're being proven wrong. When you find that someone is more intelligent than you, you tend to be uncomfortable, because you know that person is probably going to win the argument, and not a single animal likes losing.
Kapitän says:
 I choose to disagree with you just as your free will causes you to believe that bullshit
 I haven't been proven wrong, though
rin ring says:
 I never said neurons have sentiment.
Kapitän says:
 Your arrogance makes you believe you're right
 You refuse to acknowledge other theories
 It makes you look stupid and stubborn
 And that's what makes me angry
 I hate people like that
rin ring says:
 I'm going with scientific fact, and you're going with some outdated philosophy shit.
Kapitän says:
 The whole point of philosophy is speculation
 It's not an exact science, and you're acting like it is
rin ring says:
 They've been saying that we have free will for thousands of years, but now, we're discovering what powers us, and we have the same emotions and expressions as monkeys.
Kapitän says:
 Furthermore, you imply that I think you're more intelligent than me
 Which isn't true
rin ring says:
 Hell, we don't express it in the same way, but they want to express it.
 *and that we have
Kapitän says:
 Right now I think you're gullible for believe that nonsense, and a zealot for preaching it with such arrogance.
rin ring says:
 I should be saying that for you, but I'm trying to keep my dignity. '
Kapitän says:
 If you're stupid or not isn't for me to say.  We don't talk often enough for me to know.
 >dignity
 You just insulted my intellect and you think you're acting dignified?
 Our emotions are shared with animals because we all evolved from the same cells.
 We share similar traits.
rin ring says:
 I'm not questioning YOUR intelligence, I'm questioning the facts you're presenting.
Kapitän says:
 You didn't question anything, you flatout denied without considering.
 You're just a dumb kid who thinks she's right.  It's immature.
rin ring says:
 I've had this discussion with actual philosophy teachers and I'm taking what I learned from them and applying it here.
Kapitän says:
 Worse, you didn't even come up with all this yourself.  You heard it in some class and decided to act like it makes you a genius.
rin ring says:
 We had our teacher flat-out tell us that we have no souls. (which became a class joke)
Kapitän says:
 The teachers can be wrong, you know.
 Or did that not occur to you?
 The things you're saying are fact can't be proven.
rin ring says:
 And the smartest student I've ever met tried to debate it out with the teacher, and ended up failing hard.
 They've been proven, over and over.
Kapitän says:
 Like us not having souls.  It's speculation.  Guessing.  Philosophy.
 It's a joke.
 The "smartest student" is still a student.  Just a kid.
rin ring says:
 Parts of the brain work when we're angry. Other parts work when we're hungry. Some parts work when we're both. And we interpret it differently based on what we've experienced.
Kapitän says:
 And debates aren't always about who's right, just about who can explain their thoughts more clearly and undeniably.
 Hitler was a good debator.
 It takes charisma to debate well.  It takes idiocy to not question things told to you just because the person saying it makes it sound good.
rin ring says:
 But you just keep saying, "NEURONS DON'T HAVE FREE WILL WE HAVE FREE WILL THEY'RE JUST PART OF US." But neurons are what CONTROL us, and scientists have learned through legitimate research  that all they pretty much do is process information.
Kapitän says:
 Neurons don't CONTROL us
 CONTROL IMPLIES SENTIENCY
 Or rather, the ability to think
rin ring says:
 Yes, they are. They control our nerves and muscles and how we react to outside factors.
Kapitän says:
 Man controls machine
rin ring says:
 Thinking. Hah. That's just the process of just neural maps.
Kapitän says:
 No shit
 Do you say your button controls your shirt?  It's just a fucking part
 A cog
 A piece
 The collective whole of your mind is what has free will
 YOU have free will
rin ring says:
 Why are you
Kapitän says:
 And for all you know, you could have a soul too.
rin ring says:
 *comparing a button on a T-shirt to a brain?
Kapitän says:
 Because you're stupid.
rin ring says:
 That's like comparing a fingernail on a human being.
Kapitän says:
 Also, T shirts don't have buttons.
rin ring says:
 Ok, there we go. I'm ending this debate. You just hit the lowest of lows of all debates, and I'm ending this.
Kapitän says:
 It's a metaphor you dumbass.
rin ring says:
 Flat-out calling someone stupid just ends it for me.
Kapitän says:
 You called me stupid.
rin ring says:
 No, I didn't.
Kapitän says:
 Maybe you should go to a math class or something.  Philosophy and art has made you a moron.
rin ring says:
 I'm pretty sure you called me dumb, and gullible, and stupid just now, but I never actually called you stupid.
Kapitän says:
 You implied it.
rin ring says:
 No, I said that by debating, I was presenting a threat to your power.
Kapitän says:
 Besides, talking to you is making me lose my faith in humanity.
 In artists at the very least.
rin ring says:
 What the fuck is this "faith in humanity" shit you're talking about.
Kapitän says:
 I debate with people all the time.
 Aeris is just as stubborn as you, the only difference is she always demands proof rather than claiming we have no free will (something which can't be proven with exact science)
 This is just as bad as a debate about religion.
 You're claiming something as fact without the ability to prove it.  Neurons don't controls us, they
 are simply a process done to influence our thinking
rin ring says:
 You're essentially implying that this "free will" thing is an entirely seperate thing from neurons controlling us.
Kapitän says:
 If anything, your teachers control you by filling you head with such nonsense
 It is
 Free will is the ability to have a will that is your own
 I.E. not controlled by an outside force
rin ring says:
 It's not. If free will was possible, then autistic kids, who have effed-up neurons, would actually be able to function properly and express themselves properly.
Kapitän says:
 Influenced by an outside force doesn't mean controlled by an outside force
 The proof of this is the fact we can fight urges
 And the fact that we DO fight urges is what seperates us from the animals
rin ring says:
 Animals fight urges too...
Kapitän says:
 When we're horny we don't go rape the nearest attractive chick
 And when we're hungry we don't always eat
 Especially if we're watching our weight
 We are influenced, not controlled.
rin ring says:
 My dog doesn't eat everything in sight. Why? Because he's learned that this taste and that taste don't appeal to him.
Kapitän says:
 That's why we have free will.
rin ring says:
 He pushes his food to the corner of the room. Why? Because he's learned that he doesn't quite like the taste.
 And by "like the taste," I mean that it's been processed as something gross.
Kapitän says:
 Men have charged toward bullets being fired at them in war.  Do they feel fear?  Of course.. but they do it anyway.  They're soldiers who fight not due to their natural urges, but because they're made to by their governments.
 Now, in that case there isn't much free will as they're being told to fight.  A little though since they can always flee, though they might be shot or imprisoned.
rin ring says:
 Because they need power no matter what the cost. Wolves fight for the lead of the pack. Beetles battle to impress females. Hell, some birds put together entire fucking buildings to impress females.
Kapitän says:
 Free will is greater than neurons or reactions.
 Free will is our ability to think and decide for ourselves.
 The soldiers don't need power.
 Did America benefit at all from World War Two?  Did we get any new land?  No.  It put us in debt and we lost a lot of lives.
rin ring says:
 Then why does autism prevent this "free will" that you talk about, since it's a NEURAL disorder?
Kapitän says:
 To the individual, war isn't about power.. it's about fighting for what you believe in.
rin ring says:
 They can't do what they want. They have automatic tendencies that they can't control.
Kapitän says:
 Freedom, the master race, whatever.
 The automatic tendencies aren't everything.
rin ring says:
 They can't process words properly.
Kapitän says:
 Thinking is the reason we have free will.
rin ring says:
 Actually, they can, but they can't express them properly.
Kapitän says:
 You clearly do not grasp the point
 Yes our thoughts are caused because of neurons
 And yes they're influenced by our experiences
 But the fact they're unique to us is what makes them free will
 An individual person controls his own actions, and thus he will be different from the next man
 No two people are the same, even if they have the same experiences
 It's free will
rin ring says:
 Yes, because we have different neuron arrangements
Kapitän says:
 Oh my God
rin ring says:
 Ok, here's a good hypothetical situation
 We know EVERYTHING about the physical mind
 how it works
 what neurons control what
Kapitän says:
 What's the point of debating with you?  Even if you've given the absolute truth you'd still call it a lie because some quackpot philosophy teacher isn't ramming it down your thoat
rin ring says:
 And so, technically, we can program the human mind to interpret things the same way. Think about that.
Kapitän says:
 And we DON'T know everything about the physical mind
 We don't know a lot
rin ring says:
 Oh my god, no. You're just interrupting like LOL FREE WILL IS FREE WILL NEURONS DON'T MATTER
Kapitän says:
 We don't even know where dreams come from, or why we dream
rin ring says:
 And I'm giving you SCIENTIFIC FACT.
Kapitän says:
 YOU'RE GIVING ME FUCKING PHILOSOPHY
 IT'S FUCKING LESS THAN THEORY
 IT'S GUESSING
rin ring says:
 You're horribly losing this debate, and you're too arrogant to admit it, and I should've stopped when you called me stupid.
 And no, I'm talking about neurons. NEURONS ARE NOT PHILOSOPHY. THEY ARE PART OF RESEARCH. NOT SPECULATION.
Kapitän says:
 This isn't even a debate
 You're just repeating what your teachers have told you and expecting me to accept it as fact
 When it's not
rin ring says:
 Philosophy is speculating. You are speculating. I'm giving what I've learned from legitimate discussions with others where I personally thought that free will existed.
Kapitän says:
 You're speculating
 Saying we don't have free will is speculating
 Saying we don't have souls is speculating
rin ring says:
 Trust me, I thought the same thing, and then I realized that they're doing fucking RESEARCH on the mind, and they can already process some aspects of what we're THINKING. With SCIENCE.
Kapitän says:
 I'm not losing the debate because this isn't a debate.  It's you pushing your thoughts on me, and me not accepting them.
 Guess what?  That RESEARCH obviously isn't done yet
 We know neurons exist
 We know they do control the processes of our mind
 But it's our mind that does the thinking
 It's US who do the thinking
rin ring says:
 The whole IDEA of free will was speculation. PHILOSOPHY.
 Philosophy is speculation, and the idea of free will came from philosophy.
Kapitän says:
 Philosophy can't be proven or denounced
 It's not fact
 It can be backed up by facts, but it's still just guessing
 Don't debate it like it's solid
rin ring says:
 And you're debating on the side of philosophy that's thousands of years old.
Kapitän says:
 It's annoying.
 And that makes it wrong?
rin ring says:
 Debating with you on free will is like debating with a priest about how there's a God.
 Neither exists. You've just been given the illusion of it.
Kapitän says:
 Obviously you didn't pay attention in school if you think things that are thousands of years old are always wrong.
rin ring says:
 Where did you learn that we have free will?
Kapitän says:
 Learn?  You don't "learn" something like that.  It's common sense.
 Also you just said God doesn't exist like it's a fact.
 That alone should make me stop seeing you as credible.
 I don't believe in God, but I also know something like that is just speculating, and cannot be used as fact.
rin ring says:
 Ok, there we go. I personally have the belief that God doesn't exist. We believe in such things because God was made as a way to explain things we don't understand. And magic is a way to control things we don't understand.
Kapitän says:
 Basically, you lose due to your smallminded arrogance.
 Think outside the box and don't believe only what your teachers tell you.
 Think for yourself.
rin ring says:
 Somebody one day came up with the idea, "Woah, things work out so well! There must be someone up there playing with us like toys." And thus god was invented.
Kapitän says:
 The origins of God are just speculated upon.
 Once again, we don't know for sure how it started.
 Fucking Aliens could've come down and people thought of them as Gods.
 We don't know.
rin ring says:
 And then someone else came up with the idea, "Woah, we work so well and so intelligently! We must have this freedom of sorts." When really it was a bunch of discoveries leading up to language and buildings and agriculture. But thus, free will was invented.
Kapitän says:
 All we have is gave paintings and guessing.
 cave*
 You've got a lot to learn about the difference between speculation and solid fact.
 It's a fact that this conversation is annoying me more than trying to explain to Aeris why bronies love a show for little girls.  That's a fact.  It's speculation to say that you're stupid just for believing what you do.
 See the difference?
 Even if there's evidence for something it can still be wrong.
rin ring says:
 If there's more solid evidence for something, then it's probably right.
Kapitän says:
 Case in point, evolution.  There's plenty of evidence for it but it can't be proven as a fact, so we call it a theory.
rin ring says:
 And what's your evidence that free will exists?
Kapitän says:
 Probably.  That's the key word.
 It's speculation.
 It's guessing.
 Treat it as such.
 Evidence that free will exists?  The fact our minds are able to overcome the basic needs and desires that we feel every day due to higher thought processes.
rin ring says:
 I'm pretty sure that's just neurons, too. Dogs don't necessarily eat whatever food they see because they're hungry.
Kapitän says:
 To push the issue would just be a waste of time, though, because no matter what I say you'll just resort to the old "neurons do it so they must be the whole point"
rin ring says:
 Also, key words. "THOUGHT PROCESSES"
 Those are NEURONS.
Kapitän says:
 You miss the fact that the pieces don't make up the whole puzzle
rin ring says:
 Our brains are controlled by NEURONS.
Kapitän says:
 Look at the big picture, Rin
 Not just the small bits
rin ring says:
 And millions of NEURONS are our brains. And they control emotion, and reaction, and interpretation, and just anything that we do.
Kapitän says:
 ur brains are controlled by neurons, but the neurons don't do the thinking
 Our*
rin ring says:
 Think of it this way. You know Anonymous?
Kapitän says:
 The neurons just react to stimuli
rin ring says:
 No shit, actually.
Kapitän says:
 No shit.
rin ring says:
 But. Anonymous. Why do we call it Anonymous instead of "this guy and that guy and that other guy all of which are anonymous"?
Kapitän says:
 It's a collective.
rin ring says:
 EXACTLY.
Kapitän says:
 The collective IS the mind.
 But it's our mind.
 It's our thoughts.
rin ring says:
 And this COLLECTIVE controls us.
Kapitän says:
 It's out brain.
 We control it because our neurons are a part of our mind.
 Being a part of us, it means we control ourselves.
 How?
rin ring says:
 No, our neurons are what control US.
Kapitän says:
 Thinking.
 Our neurons ARE us.
 They're part of us
 Why is that so hard for you to get?
rin ring says:
 No, our neurons and body cells and bacteria are us. (And according to some philosophers, so is the technology we use. Like language.)
Kapitän says:
 Saying they control us implies they're seperate
 They're not
 And in that, you're basically saying "They control us and them"
 Which is stupid
 The US has them included
rin ring says:
 And if we're going by what your saying - if our neurons are us, and these neurons are simply information processors, then where is this free will of which you speak?
Kapitän says:
 It's in the mind as a whole.
rin ring says:
 *you're
Kapitän says:
 Or rather, the thinking as a whole.
 Yes, the neurons control the thoughts
 Or rather, influence what the thoughts will be
rin ring says:
 Thinking. Which is simply, technically, the process of information interpretation by living things.
Kapitän says:
 But the thoughts give us the free will to do as we want, and we are not controlled by any Gods or masters.
rin ring says:
 And what controls thinking? The collection of neurons.
Kapitän says:
 We are not pocessed, and we are not robots.
 No shit
 The chef makes the salad, but he isn't delicious
 It's the salad that is delicious
rin ring says:
 So thinking is neurons interpreting information. NOT free will.
Kapitän says:
 The neurons may control the thoughts, but it's the thoughts that matter
 They're still our thoughts
 "our" being us as a whole, neurons included
 We control our thoughts
 Our neurons being part of "we"
 We interpret information
 Do you get it?
 I can't make it any simplier
 simpler
rin ring says:
 Yes. And I can't make it simpler.
Kapitän says:
 Just stop right there
rin ring says:
 Neurons interpret information, and in response, they control our thoughts. Thoughts control what we do.
Kapitän says:
 If you say "the neurons control us" one more time
 I'm going to just stop the entire arguement
 Because I've disproven that
 Or rather, proved that it's redundent
rin ring says:
 No, you haven't. You've just said the same thing twenty times.
Kapitän says:
 BECAUSE YOU DON'T FUCKING GET IT
 AND IF YOU DO, YOU JUST BLOW IT OFF AND DON'T RESPOND TO IT PROPERLY LIKE IN A REAL DEBATE
rin ring says:
 You just don't want to believe that we're anything more than mush, and all this mush is just information.
Kapitän says:
 Our thoughts our a product of our mind.  Neurons are a part of our mind.  It's us.
 We control ourselves.
 Free will.
rin ring says:
 It's like a priest protecting his God. It's pathetic.
Kapitän says:
 Mush?
 What the fuck are you talking about?
 You're the priest protecting her God
rin ring says:
 Neurons are just mush in another form.
Kapitän says:
 The God being your stance that free will doesn't exist
 We're both priests preaching different Gods
 This entire conversation is patheitc
 pathetic
 And if you don't see that, then you're just silly
 I accept that both of our theories are simply philosophy
 Speculation backed up by fact
rin ring says:
 No, look. This idea of free will only exists due to speculation.
Kapitän says:
 I'm being the bigger man here and admitting the validity of both stances.
 No shit.
rin ring says:
 Someone one day wrote a book on this "free will" bullshit. Now that's all we think about.
 *about it.
Kapitän says:
 The idea that it doesn't because of neurons is speculation.
 One day your teachers taught you about neurons and now that's all you'll think about on that matter.
 I'm not talking to you about this anymore.  It's like trying to squeeze water out of a rock.
rin ring says:
 We learned about what people thought of free will. We were given a chance to believe that it exists.
Kapitän says:
 Stop.
rin ring says:
 And then, later, he told us about neurons. And some of us challenged it. And we all failed.
 Why? Because we were mature enough to accept much stronger facts.
Kapitän says:
 You're so goddamn stubborn, you know that?
rin ring says:
 No, I'm just persistent.
Kapitän says:
 The point of a debate is to DEBATE
 Consider other opinions
 Improve on your own thoughts
 There is no winner or loser
 Especially on matters of philosophy
rin ring says:
 I've considered the SAME EXACT POINTS in the past.
Kapitän says:
 And you decided to accept something different than me
rin ring says:
 Yes.
Kapitän says:
 It doesn't mean you're right beyond a shadow of a doubt
rin ring says:
 Because I believe that the facts are stronger.
 The winner of a debate has a stronger point.
Kapitän says:
 And I believe they are not
 So shut the fuck up and let me pretend I never spoke to you today because you're more annoying than Aeris
 I have a stronger point in my view
 You're just stubborn
rin ring says:
 The only times people don't want to debate with me is when I have legitimately stronger points.
Kapitän says:
 No
 It's because you don't debate right
rin ring says:
 That's the only time you don't want to debate because you know you're being struck down.
 I don't debate right?
Kapitän says:
 Once again, no.
rin ring says:
 How don't I debate right?
Kapitän says:
 You don't convey your points, you force them down other people's throats.
 You're exactly like a religious fanatic.
rin ring says:
 Oh my god. I honestly just laughed so fucking hard in real life.
Kapitän says:
 Now shut up.  I'm down with this retardery.
 done*
 I'm laughing so hard right now, too.
rin ring says:
 I'm sorry, but now that this debate is over, may I call you stupid in as many ways as possible?
Kapitän says:
 At least I'm not fat.
rin ring says:
 Or just in every way that you called me?
Kapitän says:
 And ugly.
rin ring says:
 At least I'm not skinny as fuck. And poor. And jobless, it seems.
Kapitän says:
 I have a lot of money saved up.
rin ring says:
 And absolutely miserable.
 From what you've told me, anyway.
Kapitän says:
 Now since this has turned into a shit slinging contest, may I stop talking to you?
 Or will I have to block you?
rin ring says:
 Go ahead. Sorry for proving you wrong from twenty different angles.
Kapitän says:
 You didn't.
rin ring says:
 Ok bye.
Kapitän says:
 In fact, you tried to prove that speculation and pholosphy is an absolute fact.
 I hope you try to explain your theories to a real scientist one day.
 Maybe you'll learn about a thing or two.h
(He signs off)
rin ring said (12:55 AM):
 Just saying, if even Stephen Hawking, one of the smartest men alive, thinks free will is an illusion, you should probably actually consider my points.