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  2. NaughtyCanid 15:26:59
  3. ProfFarnsworth: I don't think you can accuse english princes of being neoliberal.
  4. ProfFarnsworth 15:27:21
  5. I didn't.
  6. innit 15:27:27
  7. There are no English princes -- only British ones.
  8. ProfFarnsworth 15:27:31
  9. I said that they aren't challenging the neoliberal system.
  10. NaughtyCanid 15:28:30
  11. ProfFarnsworth: Arn't they? When was the last time a neoliberal told prince william what to do?
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  14. NaughtyCanid 15:29:13
  15. ProfFarnsworth: If anything they are old school conservative.
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  17. NaughtyCanid 15:32:46
  18. THERetroGamerNY: The queen is her majesy the united kingdom and northern ireland.
  19. innit 15:32:57
  20. If you're hoping a family that uses the lie that they're an essentially special family with rights and powers not shared by every other human family on Earth will promote the general welfare any amount what is necessary in the surrounding political context for them to retain their privilege, then you're heading towards disappointment.
  21. any amount above what is necessary*
  22. NaughtyCanid, there are no queens on Earth.
  23. NaughtyCanid 15:33:49
  24. THERetroGamerNY: Here is a handy dandy explaination. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNu8XDBSn10
  25. pela 15:33:50
  26. -[YouTube]- [( The Difference between the United Kingdom, Great Britain and England Explained [HD] )] [Views:14.457.120] [Likes: 184.444] [Dislikes: 5.978] [Duration: 5m 15s]
  27. NaughtyCanid 15:34:18
  28. Any questions?
  29. NaughtyCanid 15:35:22
  30. It's ok if you don't understand. I don't either and I live there.
  31. innit 15:36:30
  32. The United Kingdom is a top-level polity; Great Britain is an island, and sub-political entity with tighter historical and cultural ties than with Northern Ireland; and England is a region in Great Britain with historical and cultural significance pre-Union.
  33. NaughtyCanid 15:37:22
  34. britain is an island
  35. great britain is 1.5 an island.
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  38. innit 15:38:51
  39. There's no formal island of Britain.
  40. The island is Great Britain, and Britain is a slang, or archaic term for Great Britain.
  41. NaughtyCanid 15:40:43
  42. Whatever. Basically it's best to say you when say britain you mean the UK, but don't mean england.
  43. Don't say england when you mean britain or the UK.
  44. Whatever you do, don't confuse the welsh for the english.
  45. CharmlessMan 15:41:51
  46. why, what will happen :)
  47. innit 15:41:55
  48. Monarchy is an intersubjective reality reliant on essential notions of social stratification that require some humans to suffer.
  49. You strengthen that intersubjective reality when you buy into its narrative and terms.
  50. NaughtyCanid 15:42:27
  51. CharmlessMan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mAb0BmkCxc
  52. pela 15:42:27
  53. -[YouTube]- [( Torchwood Miracle Day - I'm Welsh! [HD] )] [Views:79.366] [Likes: 457] [Dislikes: 12] [Duration: 21s]
  54. innit 15:42:32
  55. For example, that this one wealthy 80-something is something more than a rich, old woman.
  56. CharmlessMan 15:42:51
  57. 80 something? she's 93
  58. innit 15:43:14
  59. You are correct.
  60. I didn't realize she was that old.
  61. NaughtyCanid 15:44:10
  62. You seem to want to make a point about the UK goverment and/or monarchy innit?
  63. innit 15:44:28
  64. NaughtyCanid, I've made the point.
  65. Monarchy is based off lies and leads to human suffering -- stop participating in it.
  66. NaughtyCanid 15:44:52
  67. Where?
  68. CharmlessMan 15:45:34
  69. yeh stop using money and stamps with the queen on NaughtyCanid
  70. NaughtyCanid 15:48:28
  71. innit: I tell you what. The next time the queen, or more likely king charles, tries to promote human suffering, parliment will cut his head off.
  72. innit 15:48:39
  73. That's a naive sentiment.
  74. NaughtyCanid 15:48:40
  75. innit: Like we did another king charles.
  76. innit: Deal?
  77. innit 15:48:52
  78. No deal.
  79. You have a fundamental misunderstanding.
  80. NaughtyCanid 15:49:23
  81. innit: What would that be?
  82. innit 15:49:50
  83. NaughtyCanid, leaders get their heads cut off, typically, only when they go *way past the line* with other powerful forces.
  84. NaughtyCanid 15:50:07
  85. uh-huh
  86. innit 15:50:14
  87. This allows for substantial freedom to create suffering as long as you don't too far past the line, and as long as you target weaker people.
  88. CharmlessMan 15:50:19
  89. which line is that then?
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  92. NaughtyCanid 15:51:10
  93. How much power exactly do you think the Queen has?
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  96. ⓘ THERetroGamerNY has banned *!*marmie@2a0b:f4c1::8
  97. innit 15:51:40
  98. CharmlessMan: Usually removing the wealth and power, repeatedly, of other oligarchs.
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  101. NaughtyCanid 15:52:23
  102. innit: There is a reason we are known as a parlimentary democracy, that just happens to have a monarchy too.
  103. innit 15:52:28
  104. NaughtyCanid: The UK government is extremely complicated, but the Windsor family technically choose the Prime Minister and has substantial ability to influence policy in almost all aspects of British life.
  105. NaughtyCanid: The reality of the UK government is exceedingly more complicated than those terms would have us understand.
  106. ⓘ THERetroGamerNY has banned *!*marmie@2a0b:f4c1::7
  107. ⓘ THERetroGamerNY has banned marmie!*@*
  108. NaughtyCanid 15:54:32
  109. innit: Yes the Queen invites the duly elected prime minister to form the goverment. She has invited several republican (in the true sense of the word) ones to do so.
  110. innit: If she refused a duly elected representative to do so we would because the fastest most bloodless republic in history.
  111. innit 15:55:39
  112. NaughtyCanid, there's currently enough power sharing in the UK system to present substantial restrictions on the power of the Windsor family. They're required to form coalitions with the democratic elements of the society in order to exercise power. If the leaders of those democratic elements choose to put their interests above those of the people, the fundamental, lurking power in the monarchial belief-system will and does cause harm.
  113. NaughtyCanid 15:55:51
  114. innit: These things were decided in the english civil war. Parliment holds the power.
  115. innit 15:55:59
  116. NaughyCanid, the reality is more complex than that.
  117. NaughtyCanid 15:56:23
  118. innit: No, it really isn't
  119. innit 15:56:24
  120. How we perceive reality is substantially shaped by the views of others, expressions in mass media, etc.
  121. The Windsor family has the ability to shape the narrative anchors in your society, thereby altering perceived reality by many British citizens.
  122. NaughtyCanid 15:56:56
  123. innit: Perhaps. But not in english law.
  124. What are you, PR for republicans?
  125. You arn't doing a very good job.
  126. innit 15:58:15
  127. NaughtyCanid, all power systems on Earth maintain power by controlling the narratives about reality.
  128. NaughtyCanid 15:58:43
  129. Parliment has power in the UK. Not the monarchy.
  130. innit 15:58:54
  131. Lately, we've seen stark examples of unethical polities like Russia fabricate whole realities in a period of two years, thereby substantially changing public opinion.
  132. NaughtyCanid 15:59:00
  133. Thats reality
  134. innit 15:59:20
  135. All other systems, including much more ethical ones like the UK system, do something similar, though in lesser magnitude.
  136. Which voices are allowed to be on TV, what are the appropriate terms to describe an issue, how much time is given to various topics, etc.
  137. NaughtyCanid 16:00:13
  138. I see, you want to spin facts and shape reality to be what you want it to be.
  139. innit 16:00:15
  140. The leaders of the media in Western civilizations are often in incestuous relationship with the political leaders.
  141. NaughtyCanid 16:00:24
  142. You are a liar and a terrible person.
  143. CharmlessMan 16:00:32
  144. nobody takes much notice of the mainstream media anymore
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  148. CharmlessMan 16:01:04
  149. newspaper sales and tv news viewing figures have never been lower
  150. innit 16:01:06
  151. NaughtyCanid, you're confusing descriptive argumentation with prescriptive argumentation.
  152. You strawmanned me because you don't know what to do.
  153. CharmlessMan 16:01:21
  154. church attendance has never been lower
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  156. innit 16:01:32
  157. Therefore, I'm bad, and your mind can go back to your unchallenged beliefs.
  158. NaughtyCanid 16:02:04
  159. What beliefs?
  160. innit 16:02:31
  161. NaughtyCanid, why did you say "I want to spin facts"?
  162. This isn't about me.
  163. This is about a theory of power drawing on history, political science, and media.
  164. CharmlessMan 16:02:50
  165. you have no personality anyway, so just as well, it would be pretty boring if it wa
  166. was
  167. well we can't erase history, or the media
  168. what do you want us to ddo?
  169. * 16:03:35
  170. Ignoring NaughtyCanid
  171. innit 16:04:13
  172. I went ahead and disengaged from the conversation with you at this time, NaughtyCanid.
  173. CharmlessMan 16:04:31
  174. that means you win NaughtyCanid
  175. innit 16:04:32
  176. People who make ad hominem attacks are not in an appropriate mental state to debate theories of human governance.
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