void butts

<Scroton> aight so
<Scroton> I already have music pickd out too and the starting area
<Scroton> and know some nasty puzzlesw
<Scroton> *puzzles
<Scroton> using portals
<marrub> what if the end was like
<marrub> a terrywad but then it's actually a fair fight
<Scroton> I also considered
<marrub> and if you win you get the good end
<Scroton> havign a terry trap
<Scroton> but ONLY
<marrub> otherwise you get I'LL FUCK YOU'RE ASS
<Scroton> if the player's name begins with p
<Scroton> then half the people that played it, having the default name
<marrub> wait you could do that with getcvar
<marrub> couldn't you
<Scroton> would complain about it being a terrywad
<Scroton> actually with one of the print functions and string compare
<marrub> huh
<Scroton> it's not an accesible cvar
<Scroton> but it's basically the same way I get map names in pistol start options, but for names
<Scroton> like if you look up the codes on the print page
<Scroton> it will tell you
<marrub> super gross hacks presented by: ACS
<Scroton> half of doomworld "11/10 best map since void"
<Scroton> other half "terry wad garbage go kill you're self"
<marrub> amazing


<Scroton> also have musci picked out
<Scroton> portal 2 soundtrack
<Scroton> it's free to use and meshes well
<Scroton> for instance go look up "portal 2 there she is"
<marrub> it's free to use?
<Scroton> yeah
<Scroton> valve allows all their stuff to be free to use for mods or videos
<Scroton> they have a page
<marrub> damn
<Scroton> oh wait nvm
<Scroton> I just checked their page
<Scroton> gg
<Scroton> whatever fuck it
<Scroton> use it anyway
<marrub> yeah pretty much, I don't compose music (mostly) and I don't want to find someone to compose music for me (or pay) so I usually just steal music
<Scroton> yeah

<Scroton> anyway the ideas for the puzzles would be
<Scroton> a room with branching hallways, when you reach a certain point in the hallway it line teleports you to another identical hallway except sides are different color or scheme
<Scroton> and different monsters
<Scroton> but it only teleports you when youre in one hallway the first time you go down it
<Scroton> so that you can't go back and forth in one hallway
<Scroton> in each group of hallways there's a single switch down one of them
<Scroton> you have to hit them all to get out, then go down another hallway and it does the same thing, taking you with a line teleport to a part of the level that looks the same but is a different section
<Scroton> imps behind you when you first get in, if you reload and try to get cute and run into it backwards it teleports you to a section that looks like facing the other way, but there are barons behind you now
<Scroton> lots of use of 3d platforms and jumping puzzles

<Scroton> in one section when you first get the shotgun
<Scroton> there are like 3 imps
<Scroton> they aren't so bad
<Scroton> but after all 3 die for the firt time
<Scroton> they all resurrect
<Scroton> then after that they all resurrect immediately after dying, and get faster each time'

<Scroton> another room is a large fight, but everything is a dead corpse prior to fight
<Scroton> that gets resurrected when you pick up a key
<marrub> oooooo
<marrub> damn, how has nobody done that before?
<marrub> that's a great idea
<Scroton> I dunno
<marrub> that wouldn't even be hard
<Scroton> but basically interesting encounters like that
<Scroton> in a weird medieval setting
<marrub> just give everything the same tid and send them a signal of some sorts (probably a changestate) to resurrect
<Scroton> yeah

<Scroton> this gon be fun
<Scroton> we gotta make sure we emphasize using zdoom features for puzzles
<Scroton> and gameplay
<Scroton> vs more beeping computers
<Scroton> and interactive intermission screens
<Scroton> like kdizd did
<marrub> i should make a map that's just a bunch of beeping computers and particle fountains
<marrub> like, a huge hallway of beeping computers
<marrub> with the occasional water fountain + particle fountain
<marrub> would be ear destruction
<Scroton> make sure a man screams at you over the radio
<Scroton> for realism
<marrub> oh of course
<marrub> and a PDA to track your objectives (each being "pass X computers")
<Scroton> ahaha

<Scroton> also we need an easter egg
<Scroton> a portal you can go through, and it drops you into a void
<Scroton> BUT
<Scroton> if you loaded void.wad before our wad
<Scroton> it drops you into the first level of void.wad
<marrub> amazing
<marrub> how would you do that though
<Scroton> it sends you to that map name
<Scroton> or rather
<Scroton> it checks if that map exists
<Scroton> or rather
<Scroton> checks for something we can figure out to tell void was loaded first, then sends you to that map
<Scroton> otherwise sends you to the void
<Scroton> but like the void you fall through
<marrub> void has its own actors
<marrub> so we could spawn those with a certain TID and see if they exist
<Scroton> yeah
<Scroton> just as a neat little easter egg

<marrub> should try to avoid small rooms, I've found in doom that small rooms (usually detailed ones) are a pain in the ass to fight in
<Scroton> yeah
<Scroton> largish
<Scroton> hallways can be smaller
<Scroton> but rooms no
<marrub> yeah
<Scroton> we can also have the level change as you progress
<Scroton> and have it be a little open ended
<Scroton> I'd like it to be all one map as far as the player can tell
<marrub> could be interesting for setting up deathmatch
<Scroton> but broken into smaller ones so it's not terrible to run like cold as hell

<Scroton> anyway ideas is
<Scroton> gothic void area
<Scroton> has portals to other areas for the player to go do stuff in
<Scroton> this way we can add on pretty much whatever maps we want
<Scroton> like
<Scroton> an abandoned gritty dark techbase
<Scroton> a temple looking area'
<Scroton> an outdoor area
<Scroton> whatever
<marrub> so a hub?
<Scroton> basically like The Dark Tower or Conan
<Scroton> yeah
<Scroton> it was already gonna be a giant hub
<marrub> with the way hub maps work this could be great
<Scroton> but just to have varied areas
<Scroton> otherwsie players might get sick of hours of gothic map

<Scroton> and the other thing is you can introduce new objectives
<Scroton> like I was thinking in an abandoned techbase map
<Scroton> have a ghouls forest type situation
<Scroton> where there is a single monster trying to kill you and you have to get to the objective first
<Scroton> maybe it even chases you back to the portal once done and you just barely make it out alive

<Scroton> also I thought more about architecture
<Scroton> we should intentionally have impossible stuff to fuck with the player
<Scroton> like
<Scroton> a hall you can see into from two windows
<Scroton> it curves slightly
<Scroton> once you go in the hall it's 5x as long
<Scroton> can also have puzzles that involve modular maps
<Scroton> like
<Scroton> there is a hallway maze that uses line teleports to make it so you can wander endlessly in it potentially
<Scroton> you have to go in the right sequence to actually make it to something on th eother side
<Scroton> similar shit with other stuff
<Scroton> have a curved hallway that goes on forever, but once the player decides fuck this and starts heading back the door they were looking for is right there
<Scroton> we can make all map linedefs invisible so they can't use the map
<Scroton> so it doesn't break immersion while playing

<Scroton> and another idea for a puzzle
<Scroton> yo uhave to kill monsters on a certain area of a floor
<Scroton> can even have blood flow through channels to "unlock" the seal or whatever

<Scroton> the overarching feel of all th elevels should be depressing and abandoned
<Scroton> I would say 0 human enemies
<Scroton> and techbase areas should be completely decrepit

<Scroton> also as for the maps I would say if you have an idea for a puzzle or neat situation go ahead and do it
<Scroton> and we can link everything together later
<Scroton> there are a couple of areas that need to be planned out, but otherwise the way this will be put together means it will be very flexible

<Scroton> we should probably go ahead and start making a texture pack for this
<Scroton> I have some but I gotta pare it down
<Scroton> we gotta make sure we keep credits clear for them
<Scroton> marty doesn't keep track of credits and it becomes a pain to hunt down who did what sprite

<marrub> what if there was a big room with a checkerboard tile floor
<marrub> and in a random sequence they would pop down, enemies would spawn in the square, and pop back up
<marrub> getting harder each time


<Scroton> oh the other design thing I would go for
<Scroton> would be more sections without enemies in them than a typical wad
<Scroton> for suspense
<Scroton> also
<Scroton> for breaking up the map for toasters
<Scroton> I think more people will play if it doesn't suffer from what cold as hell and putrifier do
<Scroton> that has more to do with everything being contained in a single map than the features used