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KHWiki Roundtable November '13

Nov 17th, 2013
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  1. [20:05] <Pea14733> Okay so we're starting November Roundtable in 5 minutes?
  2. 01[20:06] <+Dragoon> yeah
  3. [20:11] <FM|YGOPRO> five minutes up
  4. [20:11] <FM|YGOPRO> wow that was pretty exact
  5. [20:11] <FM|YGOPRO> for once my timing was PERFECT
  6. 03[20:12] * FM|YGOPRO is now known as FifteenthMember
  7. [20:12] <Pea14733> Okay so let's start?
  8. [20:12] <FifteenthMember> yes
  9. [20:13] <FifteenthMember> is everyone ready?
  10. 01[20:13] <+Dragoon> just finishing up this reference and i'll start
  11. [20:13] <FifteenthMember> ok
  12. 01[20:16] <+Dragoon> alright so, from the first topic on the agenda, what i get is that uxie wants us to introduce the manga version in their gallery, i'm all for this as long as there is someone who can get an adequate picture of said character. additionally, since ALL characters feature in the manga anyways, it will mean we need to get pictures of ALL characters, no?
  13. [20:16] <FifteenthMember> agreed
  14. [20:16] <FifteenthMember> my opinion: more pictures, more versions the better
  15. 01[20:16] <+Dragoon> same with the form: stuff, if someone can get those pictures done, i'm ok with it.
  16. [20:16] <FifteenthMember> oh and kinda unrelated note but:
  17. [20:17] <FifteenthMember> the heartless in Halloween Town need pics
  18. [20:17] <FifteenthMember> for their form changes too
  19. [20:17] <Pea14733> I think Uxie herself is willing to do the manga pics
  20. [20:18] <FifteenthMember> ok so
  21. [20:18] <FifteenthMember> is that concluded?
  22. [20:18] <FifteenthMember> we'll ask Uxie if she can get the pictures
  23. [20:18] <FifteenthMember> shall we continue?
  24. [20:19] <Pea14733> No, just tell her that it is allowed ._.
  25. 01[20:19] <+Dragoon> i think we already have heartless in halloween town covered, in their galleries, no?
  26. [20:19] <Pea14733> DOn't make it like we are focing her o do it
  27. [20:19] <FifteenthMember> oh look at that, we do
  28. [20:19] <+maggosh> Yeah, we do.
  29. [20:19] <FifteenthMember> alright pea, I get it
  30. [20:19] <+maggosh> For a while now.
  31. [20:20] <FifteenthMember> ok so next topic?
  32. [20:21] <FifteenthMember> ok so about the walkthroughs
  33. [20:21] <FifteenthMember> the first point on the list was the re:coded walkthrough which I noticed was missing
  34. [20:21] <Pea14733> In fact
  35. [20:22] <Pea14733> The only walkthrough that is complete is KH's
  36. [20:22] <Pea14733> And maybe KH2's ?
  37. [20:22] <FifteenthMember> oh...
  38. [20:22] <FifteenthMember> I know that BBS, KH, KHII and 3D HAVE walkthroughs
  39. 01[20:22] <+Dragoon> kh's isn't even complete. when i made it, i missed a few treasure chests and kh will need to be redone according to the Eng version of FM, and be remade into KHFM instead of KH now.
  40. 03[20:22] * Cheisa (401a625a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.26.98.90) has joined #KHWiki-noticeboard
  41. 03[20:22] * ChanServ sets mode: +v Cheisa
  42. [20:22] <Pea14733> BbS and 3D have Walkthroughs?
  43. [20:22] <FifteenthMember> hi UC
  44. [20:23] <+Cheisa> I was doing tumblr stuff
  45. [20:23] <FifteenthMember> nope
  46. [20:23] <FifteenthMember> KHII is incompletete
  47. [20:23] <FifteenthMember> http://www.khwiki.net/Walkthrough:Kingdom_Hearts_II/Agrabah
  48. [20:23] <FifteenthMember> that's an example
  49. [20:23] <FifteenthMember> plus Kingdom Hearts II needs a hub page
  50. 01[20:23] <+Dragoon> BBS has an incomplete walkthrough left by ENX, Re:CoM has a completed walkthrough by TNE, I think, 3D has a video walkthrough that is incomplet.
  51. 01[20:23] <+Dragoon> incomplete*
  52. [20:24] <FifteenthMember> Re:com has a walkthrough?
  53. [20:24] <Pea14733> http://www.khwiki.net/Walkthrough:Kingdom_Hearts_Birth_by_Sleep/Land_of_Departure
  54. [20:24] <FifteenthMember> x_x nice article
  55. 01[20:24] <+Dragoon> its in her userspace
  56. [20:24] <FifteenthMember> oh
  57. 01[20:24] <+Dragoon> i think, we'd need her permission to move it to walkthrough: space
  58. [20:25] <Pea14733> I have BbS Aqua walkthrough in my userspace as well
  59. 01[20:25] <+Dragoon> we need people to assign to games if we're thinking of reviving the walkthrough: space
  60. [20:25] <FifteenthMember> well, beforehand I thought Re:COM didn't really need a wlakthrough
  61. [20:25] <FifteenthMember> with all the dungeon-crawling style gameplay
  62. 03[20:25] * Chainoffire (4a749acc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.116.154.204) has joined #KHWiki-noticeboard
  63. [20:25] <FifteenthMember> but if we have a full walkthrough, we might as well include it
  64. 01[20:25] <+Dragoon> well, it needs a walkthrough now considering it has a trophy list.
  65. [20:25] <Pea14733> After I finish my exams, I will help
  66. [20:25] <FifteenthMember> oh, true
  67. [20:25] <FifteenthMember> I would like to help with re:coded
  68. 01[20:25] <+Dragoon> we also need to redo kh's walkthroughs to be streamlined into "KHFM" as well as include methods of getting trophies.
  69. [20:26] <FifteenthMember> me and pea talked about this before too
  70. [20:26] <FifteenthMember> how are we gonna "redo" the kh walkthroughs anyway?
  71. [20:26] <+Cheisa> add a note for FM stuff
  72. [20:26] <Pea14733> Delete and rewrite
  73. 04[20:26] * Pea14733 is shot by EK
  74. [20:26] <+Cheisa> ಠ_ಠ
  75. [20:26] <FifteenthMember> :P
  76. [20:26] <FifteenthMember> notes, ok
  77. [20:26] <FifteenthMember> the trophies
  78. 01[20:26] <+Dragoon> we COULD add notes
  79. [20:26] <FifteenthMember> can be included by having
  80. [20:27] <Pea14733> But ot those ref notes okay?
  81. [20:27] <Pea14733> *not
  82. [20:27] <+Cheisa> yes
  83. 01[20:27] <+Dragoon> but i really dont see that as being streamlined, we should just redo the article according to fm content.
  84. [20:27] <Pea14733> That's very annoying
  85. 01[20:27] <+Dragoon> its the easiest most direct way
  86. 04[20:27] <FifteenthMember> Dragoon, I don't like that idea
  87. [20:27] <+Cheisa> add a section that talks about FM stuff
  88. [20:27] <FifteenthMember> because it removes the content of the original game which osme people may still have
  89. [20:27] <FifteenthMember> and there's not really much difference between the two anyway
  90. [20:28] <FifteenthMember> so for example you'll have:
  91. [20:28] <FifteenthMember> treasure list: (kh)
  92. [20:28] <FifteenthMember> and then
  93. 01[20:28] <+Dragoon> we already have the treasures on their respective world pages...
  94. [20:28] <FifteenthMember> treasure list: (khfm) or somehting
  95. [20:28] <FifteenthMember> there's still the "items" at the top of each page
  96. [20:28] <+Cheisa> or tab the treasure stuff
  97. [20:28] <Pea14733> ^
  98. [20:28] <Pea14733> I second tabbing
  99. [20:28] <Chainoffire> I just got here so sorry if my idea clashes with previous statements, but what if we keep the current KHI walkthrough, and copy and paste that walkthrough to another part and add the FM stuff to the second KH walkthrough?
  100. [20:28] <+Cheisa> [KH] [KHFM]
  101. [20:29] <FifteenthMember> tabbing seems good
  102. [20:29] <FifteenthMember> COF, that seems like a lotta moving
  103. [20:29] <Pea14733> CoF: No, we can just add the diffrences notes
  104. [20:29] <FifteenthMember> and if that happens, most of the second walkthrough would be redundant to the first
  105. 01[20:29] <+Dragoon> wouldn't that mean twice the work? writing the treasure once for normal materials and then a second time for fm materials?
  106. [20:29] <FifteenthMember> twice the work but twice the info
  107. [20:29] <Chainoffire> ^
  108. [20:30] <FifteenthMember> plus we have most of that info anyway
  109. [20:30] <Chainoffire> and it's not like we're writing it twice, we're copy/pasting it
  110. [20:30] <Pea14733> Well you can just add [KHFM] to the treasure list anyway
  111. [20:30] <Chainoffire> and adding the FM stuff
  112. [20:30] <FifteenthMember> COF: I agree
  113. [20:30] <FifteenthMember> it's funny
  114. [20:30] <FifteenthMember> every time people says something like "adding the FM stuff" I get pinged :P
  115. [20:30] <FifteenthMember> I chose a great nick...
  116. [20:31] <FifteenthMember> BUT ANYWAY
  117. [20:31] <Chainoffire> haha, sorry
  118. [20:31] <FifteenthMember> tabs seem like the best way to go
  119. [20:31] <Pea14733> I think we're done with KHFM for now
  120. [20:31] <FifteenthMember> with stuff like optional bosses
  121. [20:31] <FifteenthMember> we can just include it as another section under the appropiate world
  122. [20:31] <Pea14733> ^
  123. [20:31] <FifteenthMember> with the trophies
  124. 01[20:31] <+Dragoon> if you could get an example page of that and i can look it over, we could figure out something.
  125. [20:32] <FifteenthMember> tomorrow's friday so I could
  126. [20:32] <FifteenthMember> http://www.khwiki.net/Walkthrough:Kingdom_Hearts
  127. [20:32] <FifteenthMember> so
  128. [20:32] <FifteenthMember> with the trophies, there could be another page for it
  129. [20:32] <FifteenthMember> listing tips and what-not which would be linked from that hub page
  130. [20:32] <FifteenthMember> additonally, throughout the walkthrough mentions of the trophies should be made
  131. 01[20:33] <+Dragoon> Only those relevant to that world.
  132. [20:33] <FifteenthMember> for example, "Cid's Item Shop has very useful items"
  133. [20:33] <FifteenthMember> "However, if you're going for the Unchanging Armour<NOTREALNAME> trophy, you should save your munny for gummi blocks"
  134. [20:34] <FifteenthMember> bad advice but you get what I mean
  135. [20:34] <FifteenthMember> so should we assign people to games?
  136. [20:34] <FifteenthMember> I'll be working on re:coded
  137. [20:34] <FifteenthMember> we could open up a forum or something about it
  138. [20:34] <Pea14733> Well
  139. [20:35] <Pea14733> One person can actually do many games at once ._.
  140. [20:35] <Pea14733> But yeah we need to have the main writer
  141. [20:35] <FifteenthMember> I'll be focusing on re:coded though
  142. [20:35] <FifteenthMember> I'm too inexperienced with the other games :P
  143. [20:36] <FifteenthMember> so the other point about the walkthroughs is the "advertisement"
  144. 01[20:36] <+Dragoon> We'll just start a forum if we're going to have a person assigned to a game.
  145. [20:36] <Pea14733> I can help you with Re:coded
  146. 01[20:36] <+Dragoon> or numerous games
  147. [20:37] <Pea14733> XD
  148. [20:37] <FifteenthMember> like another project page or something :P
  149. 01[20:37] <+Dragoon> my only issue with the fact of numerous games is that author x and author y do not share the same saving
  150. [20:37] <FifteenthMember> that doesn't matter much though, does it?
  151. [20:37] <Pea14733> They need to discuss about it then
  152. [20:37] <FifteenthMember> for example it could go like this:
  153. [20:38] <FifteenthMember> two people do BBS
  154. [20:38] <FifteenthMember> one decides to write Terra's walkthrough first while another does Aqua's
  155. 01[20:38] <+Dragoon> that's fine with BBS because all characters have their own saving.
  156. [20:38] <FifteenthMember> and then they both help with Ventus' at the same time
  157. 01[20:38] <+Dragoon> BBS is not a perfect example for what im saying
  158. [20:38] <FifteenthMember> but just focus on writing about different worlds
  159. 01[20:38] <+Dragoon> i'm talking about a game like kh2 or kh1
  160. 01[20:39] <+Dragoon> especially if one person is far ahead and another is way behind
  161. [20:39] <FifteenthMember> even then, they'd just focus on different worlds
  162. [20:39] <+Cheisa> there should be a layout before each person a do a walkthrough for each characters
  163. 01[20:39] <+Dragoon> oh yeah and i just realized, kh1 will need someone to do gummi missions.
  164. [20:39] <Pea14733> Hmm
  165. 01[20:39] <+Dragoon> those are probably the only things not covered, besides item synthesis.
  166. [20:39] <Pea14733> Maybe we split the game into sections?
  167. [20:40] <FifteenthMember> re you talking about BBS>
  168. [20:40] <FifteenthMember> *are you talking about BBS?
  169. [20:40] <+Cheisa> me? yes
  170. [20:40] <FifteenthMember> cuz atm they have completely differnet sections
  171. [20:40] <FifteenthMember> *pages
  172. [20:40] <FifteenthMember> like there's Walkthrough:Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep/Aqua/Deep Space
  173. [20:40] <FifteenthMember> and then a completely different Walkthrough:Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep/Ventus/Deep Space
  174. [20:40] <FifteenthMember> which I would say is probably the best way to go
  175. [20:41] <FifteenthMember> someone needs to write about the Final Episode though
  176. 04[20:41] <Pea14733> WHat I am talking about is, like, FM does item Synthesis List, Dragoon does Gummi Missions, I do Coliseum Cups etc.
  177. [20:41] <FifteenthMember> oh
  178. [20:41] <FifteenthMember> yeh, I see
  179. [20:41] <FifteenthMember> I think the most important thing here is to make sure
  180. [20:41] <FifteenthMember> we don't make the walkthrough redundant to the wiki
  181. [20:42] <FifteenthMember> the walkthrough needs to focus on the reader and player
  182. 02[20:42] * Chainoffire (4a749acc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.116.154.204) Quit (Quit: Chain Out!)
  183. [20:42] <FifteenthMember> and more about the transitions between places and where to go from here etc.
  184. [20:42] <Pea14733> ^ We already discussed about that when we decided to make the walkthorugh space
  185. [20:42] <FifteenthMember> oh right :P
  186. [20:43] <FifteenthMember> I wasn't there at the time
  187. [20:43] <FifteenthMember> which brings me on to the NEXT point: advertisement
  188. [20:43] <Pea14733> Maybe
  189. [20:43] <FifteenthMember> if a visitor comes on the wiki without ever seeing it before
  190. [20:43] <Pea14733> We unclude the walkthough in mainspace articles
  191. [20:43] <Pea14733> *include
  192. [20:43] <FifteenthMember> they'd never know the "KHWiki Official Walkthrough" ever existed
  193. [20:43] <FifteenthMember> pea, I dislike the idea
  194. [20:44] <Pea14733> wait, no
  195. [20:44] <+Cheisa> oh, we already discuss Uxie's manga-thingly?
  196. [20:44] <Pea14733> I meant, LINK the walkthough
  197. [20:44] <FifteenthMember> because the walkthroughs have completely different tones and stuff
  198. [20:44] <FifteenthMember> oh
  199. [20:44] <FifteenthMember> it can be linked to from the suite
  200. [20:44] <FifteenthMember> but that'll be problematic. for example, radiant garden would look like:
  201. [20:45] <FifteenthMember> Walkthrough (KHII|BBS[Aqua|Terra|Ventus]])
  202. [20:45] <Pea14733> XDD
  203. [20:45] <Pea14733> Well
  204. [20:45] <FifteenthMember> *Walkthrough (KHII|BBS[Aqua|Terra|Ventus])
  205. [20:45] <Pea14733> No
  206. [20:45] <FifteenthMember> which is WAY too many breakdowns for me
  207. [20:46] <FifteenthMember> and UC, we finished talking about THAT :P
  208. [20:46] <+Cheisa> I wasnt here, I was on tumbllr, godamnit ಠ_ಠ
  209. [20:46] <FifteenthMember> by advertisement
  210. [20:46] <FifteenthMember> I meant something just like
  211. [20:46] <Pea14733> Maybe we include the walkthroughs i the "See also" thing ..
  212. [20:46] <Pea14733> *in
  213. [20:47] <FifteenthMember> same problem pea: they'll be too many links
  214. 02[20:47] * +maggosh (ae5ffe56@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.95.254.86) Quit (Quit: Page closed)
  215. [20:47] <FifteenthMember> I was just going to suggest a "Walkthrough" link in the community section of the sidebar
  216. [20:47] <+Cheisa> why not a navi?
  217. 01[20:47] <+Dragoon> the suite could just link to bbs and kh's main walkthrough pages
  218. [20:47] <FifteenthMember> and then have a walkthrough hub page
  219. [20:48] <FifteenthMember> bbs doesn't HAVE main walkthrough pages
  220. [20:48] <Pea14733> I think sidebar is better
  221. 03[20:48] * Retrieving #KHWiki-noticeboard modes...
  222. 01[20:48] <+Dragoon> Walkthrough:Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep
  223. [20:48] <FifteenthMember> I think bbs's three character's should be merged
  224. 01[20:48] <+Dragoon> it would link to that page
  225. [20:48] <FifteenthMember> oh
  226. 01[20:48] <+Dragoon> and then the user finds the world they want depending on which character
  227. [20:49] <FifteenthMember> why doesn't each BBS world be like a mini-disambig
  228. [20:49] <FifteenthMember> so Walkthrough:Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep/Deep Space
  229. [20:49] <FifteenthMember> would have a picture or something
  230. [20:49] <FifteenthMember> and then a picture of the three characters with links
  231. 01[20:50] <+Dragoon> we could just minimize the search with including links in the main page.
  232. [20:51] <FifteenthMember> alright then
  233. [20:51] <FifteenthMember> so it'd be advertised to two ways:
  234. [20:51] <FifteenthMember> sidebar link and suite links
  235. [20:51] <FifteenthMember> I also think a navi template would be useful too
  236. [20:51] <Pea14733> Maybe we fuse the three characters in one page and tab them
  237. [20:51] <FifteenthMember> but the navis would go on the actual walkthrough pages instead
  238. [20:52] <FifteenthMember> [20:48:55] <FifteenthMember> I think bbs's three character's should be merged
  239. [20:52] <FifteenthMember> tabtabtab
  240. [20:53] <FifteenthMember> so who agrees on merging?
  241. [20:53] <FifteenthMember> I vote on merging
  242. [20:54] <+Cheisa> wait, are you talking tabing for all 3 character walkthrough for BBS?
  243. 01[20:54] <+Dragoon> http://www.khwiki.net/Walkthrough:Kingdom_Hearts_Birth_by_Sleep/ made this really quickly but im showing what i mean by minimizing the search for which character's walkthrough
  244. 01[20:55] <+Dragoon> http://www.khwiki.net/Walkthrough:Kingdom_Hearts_Birth_by_Sleep *
  245. [20:55] <FifteenthMember> I still think mergin them all makes more sense and makes everything a bit neater
  246. [20:56] <FifteenthMember> I mean this is how it'd work
  247. [20:56] <FifteenthMember> the lead would stay the same with the whole world image and stuff
  248. [20:56] <FifteenthMember> but then the rest of the page would be tabbed
  249. [20:57] <FifteenthMember> so all the walkthroughs, strategies, items etc. are all separate
  250. [20:57] <FifteenthMember> you could also just tab or have sub-sections for each section
  251. [20:57] <FifteenthMember> but that'd make the page longer
  252. 01[20:57] <+Dragoon> I don't like that idea, its too casual to tab everything.
  253. 01[20:57] <+Dragoon> plus it makes the page look busy
  254. 01[20:57] <+Dragoon> http://www.khwiki.net/Walkthrough:Kingdom_Hearts/Deep_Jungle just implementing the template at the bottom of this page with 3 sections, one for each character, would look more professional.
  255. [20:58] <FifteenthMember> alright then
  256. [20:58] <FifteenthMember> let's do that
  257. [20:58] <FifteenthMember> everyone agreed?
  258. [21:00] <FifteenthMember> ok so to sum up:
  259. [21:00] <FifteenthMember> *Manga images are ok
  260. [21:00] <FifteenthMember> *walkthrough will be revived
  261. [21:00] <FifteenthMember> *FM stuff will be incorporated within articles
  262. [21:01] <FifteenthMember> *walkthroughs will be advertised thorugh suite and sidebar links
  263. [21:01] <FifteenthMember> ROUNDTABLE COMPLETE
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