[5:53:44 PM] JackProehl: YipYip: Martin Shkreli actually isn't as bad of a guy as you think...
YipYip: There's an interesting Vice documentary that you should watch.
YipYip: I mean, personally, I'd like to see some third party research by an expert subject.
YipYip: But it's clear that the media has exaggerated his character and intentions.
WANG$AP: They have.
YipYip: Such as?
WANG$AP: I have watched the Vice Documentary
WANG$AP: sa well as many of his livestream VODs
YipYip: Okay, what's not to like/trust?
WANG$AP: I have*
YipYip: He's reputable the majority of the time.
WANG$AP: majority of the time
WANG$AP: lol
YipYip: Certainly it can be argued that what he did was morally wrong.
YipYip: But it genuinely hasn't had reprecussions for anyone other than insurance companies.
WANG$AP: what he did with Daraprim was a publicity stunt
YipYip: For?
WANG$AP: He could have just done what a normal POS would have done
WANG$AP: and just slowly ticked up the price of the drug
YipYip: Yes, I agree.
WANG$AP: and gained free money over time while getting no publicity
WANG$AP: instead he chose to get worldwide attention
WANG$AP: for his brand
YipYip: And he would have gotten away with it with no publicity.
WANG$AP: and what he does
YipYip: Right.
WANG$AP: by raising the price to $750
YipYip: But he wanted money in the short term.
WANG$AP: The drug he uses is literally live saving
YipYip: Didn't want to wait years upon years.
WANG$AP: He says that he wanted to improve the drug
WANG$AP: The drug did has issues
YipYip: Life saving in a limited number of cases.
WANG$AP: it was an 80 year old shitty drug
YipYip: And hasn't been denied to any individuals.
WANG$AP: but no other corporation wanted to make an alternative that was better
WANG$AP: because there was no money in it
WANG$AP: the entire pharm industry is fucking awful
WANG$AP: they're all scumbags
YipYip: Yes.
WANG$AP: it's really sad to think about
WANG$AP: But still
YipYip: But Martin Shrkeli is at least obvious about it.
[5:53:57 PM] JackProehl: WANG$AP: He used HIV victims
WANG$AP: and pregnant women
WANG$AP: with life threatening conditions
WANG$AP: to gain publicity
WANG$AP: and make money
YipYip: And if anything, he's better than the incumbants in the industry.
WANG$AP: That's so arguable though
WANG$AP: because he did all of it to get attention
YipYip: They passed up Diapram because there was no way to make money without taking extreme measures.
WANG$AP: to make more money int he long run
YipYip: Which would in turn lead to bad publicity for those companies.
WANG$AP: exactly, because not many people need the pill
YipYip: He simply didn't care, like Donald Trump.
WANG$AP: Not many people need it, but it's very important
YipYip: Didn't care what people would think.
WANG$AP: It's still fucked up
YipYip: Again, but it's not denied to any of those patients.
YipYip: Health insurance companies bite the bullet.
WANG$AP: He said
YipYip: And in turn, if they were to remove Diapram from supported treatments, Martin Shrkeli has said he would provide the drug.
WANG$AP: He would give free bottles of the pill for free
WANG$AP: if someone would have messaged him
WANG$AP: saying they needed it
YipYip: "free bottles of the pill for free."
WANG$AP: But, still, hospitals that needed to keep the pill could not
YipYip: Little redundant.
WANG$AP: I'm typing quickly, shut the fuck up
YipYip: He created a smaller bottle though.
WANG$AP: keep it in stock
YipYip: To allow hospitals to keep it available.
WANG$AP: Bottles still costed an unbelievable amoutn of money
WANG$AP: I don't know why you're trying to justify it
WANG$AP: That's unbelievable to me
YipYip: I just don't think he's the villain that people make him out to be.
YipYip: He's an unethical businessman.
WANG$AP: He is a villain
WANG$AP: But he's not as bad
WANG$AP: as the media portrays him
YipYip: But no less unethical than the rest of the industry.
WANG$AP: No one is as bad as the media portrays them
WANG$AP: People defend him, "He's just the same as these other people!"
YipYip: Pharma industry is worse than Martin Shkreli.
WANG$AP: Which is, in my eyes, the same as saying "He's a rapist, but at least he's not as bad as other rapists!"
YipYip: They do what he's doing on a mass scale.
[5:54:08 PM] JackProehl: WANG$AP: like what the fuck
WANG$AP: lmfao
YipYip: But with smaller incriments.
YipYip: To avoid detection by the media.
YipYip: Because no one cares if a drug gets raised $1.
YipYip: But they do it to every drug in their arsenal.
YipYip: And in turn, the numbers add up.
WANG$AP: Drugs are too expensive
WANG$AP: and they make like 2000% return on them
YipYip: Shkreli only made headlines because he didn't care to hide it.
WANG$AP: that's the entire industry
WANG$AP: He did it all for publicity
WANG$AP: he is a bad person
YipYip: Well, I don't necessarily see anything wrong with that.
YipYip: There are people who have to research those drugs.
WANG$AP: making upwards of 5000% return per pill?
YipYip: And they get paid big bucks to find treatments.
YipYip: They wouldn't be in the field if the reward was smaller.
WANG$AP: 5000%?
WANG$AP: 2000%?
WANG$AP: that return is ridiculous
YipYip: Daegonner had insane return rates.
WANG$AP: Obviously
YipYip: App games do too.
WANG$AP: It's a scam
WANG$AP: They're all scams
YipYip: I don't see anyone complaining about that?
WANG$AP: what?
YipYip: It's business.
WANG$AP: People complain a shit ton
YipYip: It's economics at it's finest.
WANG$AP: about freemium games
YipYip: No media attention, however.
WANG$AP: you can look up a million videos about freemium games
YipYip: And people play the games nonetheless.
WANG$AP: there's a shitton of things that get no media attention
YipYip: So I guess they don't care that much,
WANG$AP: and people play the games because of ginormous ad campaigns
YipYip: If they still play the games anyways.
WANG$AP: Those games take advantage of little kids and people with poor judgement
WANG$AP: Someone I know through family has aspergers, and is currently in the airforce
YipYip: I mean, I've bought things on freemium games, I'm not a kid.
WANG$AP: and spent $5000 on one of those games
WANG$AP: like what the fuck
[5:54:24 PM] JackProehl: WANG$AP: it takes advantage of people that don't understand
YipYip: He wanted the prizes.
YipYip: It's business.
WANG$AP: That's fucked up business
WANG$AP: to take advantage of people who don't know better
WANG$AP: That's unethical
YipYip: They know better.
WANG$AP: Yes, it's allowed
YipYip: They chose to make that choice.
WANG$AP: Children?
YipYip: Yes.
WANG$AP: Children understand the concept of money
WANG$AP: and that it's not a piece of plastic that mommy slides?
YipYip: Kids work and get money at a young age.
YipYip: And they know the constraints of money.
WANG$AP: yeah, they get $100 for their birthday
WANG$AP: No they do not
WANG$AP: Don't tell me a 10 year old child
WANG$AP: Understand how economics works
WANG$AP: and understands money
YipYip: They absolutely do.
WANG$AP: Fuck no they don't
YipYip: They know they can't purchase things they can't afford.
WANG$AP: Why do they rack up $1000 on itunes?
WANG$AP: Why do a ton of parents have issues with kids snagging money out of their purse
YipYip: Because they want the music.
WANG$AP: EXACTLY
YipYip: And they know their parents can manage the $1000.
WANG$AP: THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THEY CAN'T GET EVERYTHING THEY CAN'T AFFORD
YipYip: Agree to disagree.
WANG$AP: ????
WANG$AP: they udnerstand money
WANG$AP: they don't understand the meaning of money
WANG$AP: and how important it is
WANG$AP: there is no way they could
YipYip: Well, grown adults don't understand the meaning of money.
WANG$AP: they are stupid
YipYip: But we all understand money.
WANG$AP: do you think it's okay
WANG$AP: if a 10 year old kid buys $1000 worth of whatever in clash of clans
WANG$AP: with their parents itunes password
WANG$AP: ?
YipYip: Yes.
WANG$AP: what.
YipYip: Their parents allowed their child to make that decision.
[5:55:09 PM] JackProehl: WANG$AP: how?
WANG$AP: do you have to watch over your child and literally every action they do 24/7?>
YipYip: You can put on parental controls, not buy them an electronic device.
YipYip: Not give them your password.
YipYip: You know, keep your wallet on you.
WANG$AP: Yeah, don't buy your kid a smartphone
YipYip: Punish them if they do go into your wallet.
YipYip: You think ever kid should have a smartphone?
WANG$AP: do you think a kid shouldn't have a phone?
YipYip: Every*
YipYip: Yes.
WANG$AP: Wow.
YipYip: I don't think they should.
YipYip: It does more harm than good.
WANG$AP: What if they have an emergency?
WANG$AP: What if they desperately need to call you?
WANG$AP: What if they need to call 911?
YipYip: No one desperately needs to call anyone as a kid.
YipYip: There is always an adult around.
YipYip: And other ways of getting help.
WANG$AP: Like what?
YipYip: I.e. finding an adult.
YipYip: Payphones.
WANG$AP: yep, every adult is trustable
YipYip: Most are.
WANG$AP: and payphones are everywhere
YipYip: When it comes to kids.
YipYip: I mean, they kinda still are.
WANG$AP: not anywhere near where I live
WANG$AP: there is not a payphone within 25 miles of my house
YipYip: You live in a suburb.
WANG$AP: I do not.
YipYip: I.e. near adults.
WANG$AP: I do not live in a suburb
WANG$AP: I live in the woods
YipYip: Suburb.
WANG$AP: With neighbors that are never home
WANG$AP: I do not live in a suburb
YipYip: You don't live in a city.
YipYip: There for you live in a suburban developed area.
YipYip: Therefore*
YipYip: Pointing out facts her...
YipYip: Here*
WANG$AP: A suburb is a residential district
[5:55:18 PM] JackProehl: WANG$AP: I do not live in a residential area
WANG$AP: There is not housing near me
WANG$AP: It is mainly woods
YipYip: Agree to disagree.
WANG$AP: And private property
YipYip: > private property
YipYip: > suburb
WANG$AP: > meme arrows
WANG$AP: ??
YipYip: Skype quote style.
WANG$AP: and jeremy telling you I wouldn't debate with him
WANG$AP: when he literally was yelling at the top of his lungs
YipYip: What?
WANG$AP: when I was trying to state my side of the argument
YipYip: Jeremy just told me that you aren't supportive of Martin Shkreli.
WANG$AP: Yeah
WANG$AP: of course that's all he said
YipYip: And you think he's a villain.
WANG$AP: That is believable
WANG$AP: He didn't say anything about how I wouldn't debate with him
YipYip: No?
WANG$AP: yeah okay
WANG$AP: loool
YipYip: Is that a good or bad thing?
YipYip: I honestly don't know where you're going with that.
WANG$AP: was just saying
WANG$AP: that jeremy told you
WANG$AP: to talk to me
WANG$AP: which is unbelievable
WANG$AP: when he can't debate anything serious
WANG$AP: you literally support donald trump
WANG$AP: which is unbelievable
WANG$AP: really tired of talking to you
WANG$AP: ever
WANG$AP: about anything
WANG$AP: you're a condescending asshole that doesn't think about others whatsoever
WANG$AP: and only care about yourself
YipYip: Well I care about Shkreli and Trump obviously.
WANG$AP: and only say stupid shit to piss others off
WANG$AP: yeah
WANG$AP: apparently
WANG$AP: you care about sick twisted people
WANG$AP: instead of normal human beings
YipYip: I'm not saying shit to piss people off.
[5:55:29 PM] JackProehl: WANG$AP: good for you
WANG$AP: yes
YipYip: Those are my opinions.
WANG$AP: you can't say you don't
YipYip: And who I support.
WANG$AP: you are a troll
WANG$AP: you troll people
WANG$AP: for fun
WANG$AP: and for jokes
YipYip: You just won't listen to my thoughts.
WANG$AP: You have two sides
WANG$AP: Condescending asshole somewhat-professional Jack
YipYip: You think Sanders is the only answer and that Shkreli's a villain, etc.
WANG$AP: and then troll dickhead jack
WANG$AP: I don't
YipYip: Like, I hear your opinions but you won't hear mine.
WANG$AP: I never even said that I fully support bernie sanders
WANG$AP: I always hear yours
WANG$AP: but you're condescending
WANG$AP: it's so obnoxious
WANG$AP: can never talk to you about anything
YipYip: "somewhat-professional" Well at least you threw in a compliment. ;)
WANG$AP: video games
WANG$AP: real life
WANG$AP: Idk why I ever talk to you
YipYip: Well I'm condescending cause I believe I'm right.
WANG$AP: it always bites me in the ass
YipYip: But I still let you discuss your ideas on the world.
WANG$AP: my ideas on the world
WANG$AP: lmao
YipYip: ?
WANG$AP: my ideas on martin shkreli you mean
WANG$AP: we're talking about the pharm. industry
YipYip: Well we were talking about both.
WANG$AP: which then went to shitty business practices
YipYip: Which then went to personal attacks on me because you don't like my arguments.
WANG$AP: No
YipYip: Or who I support.
WANG$AP: Personal attacks because you're condescending
WANG$AP: I know your arguments are wrong
WANG$AP: But there is no reason to ever debate with you
WANG$AP: because even if I'm right, you will simply continue on
YipYip: WANG$AP: you literally support donald trump
WANG$AP: which is unbelievable
WANG$AP: really tired of talking to you
[5:55:41 PM] JackProehl: WANG$AP: really tired of talking to you
WANG$AP: ever
WANG$AP: yup
WANG$AP: still stand by that
YipYip: Yeah, not a personal atttack.
WANG$AP: and I will until I die probably
YipYip: That's what's referred to as ad hominem.
WANG$AP: condescending asshole
WANG$AP: right there
YipYip: Not having a legitimate argument to fall back on.
WANG$AP: condescending asshole
YipYip: So then you attack someone personally.
WANG$AP: condescending asshole
WANG$AP: sorry
YipYip: Again, ad hominem.
WANG$AP: just pointing out where you're a condescending asshole
WANG$AP: I do have a legitimate argument to fall back on
WANG$AP: But you go in circles
WANG$AP: If we have a debate
WANG$AP: it is literally circles
WANG$AP: that go nowhere
WANG$AP: but the whole time
WANG$AP: you be a condescending asshole
YipYip: I disagree.
WANG$AP: which will eventually end with "agree to disagree"
WANG$AP: and never be finished
WANG$AP: and to be honest, I don't really care
WANG$AP: about the arguments or debates
WANG$AP: always about something stupid
YipYip: Well that's fine.
WANG$AP: you're self centered
WANG$AP: which is what you base a lot of your arguments on
YipYip: Ad hominem.
WANG$AP: you don't care about others
WANG$AP: that is where the basis of your beliefs come from
WANG$AP: what benefits you
WANG$AP: personally
WANG$AP: instead of everybody
YipYip: Well of course.
WANG$AP: you don't care what happens to others
YipYip: I'm worried about myself first and foremost.
YipYip: Not Africa.
WANG$AP: that's the difference between you and me
WANG$AP: and that's all I need to know
[5:55:52 PM] JackProehl: WANG$AP: Simple as that
WANG$AP: your world views are deplorable
WANG$AP: it's so sad honestly
WANG$AP: it makes me sad
YipYip: Ad hominem.
WANG$AP: makes me sad that people in the world think like that
WANG$AP: very despressing to think about to be honest
WANG$AP: that you are more worried about income and money
WANG$AP: than the lives of others
YipYip: My life matters first and foremost.
WANG$AP: of course it does jack
WANG$AP: I know you probably have trouble with other people
YipYip: That's logical reasoning.
WANG$AP: and showing that you care for them
YipYip: Has nothing to do with being selfish.
WANG$AP: after what your mother did to you
WANG$AP: and whatnot
YipYip: Ad hominem.
WANG$AP: but maybe one day you will leanr
WANG$AP: so whatever
WANG$AP: life goes on I guess
WANG$AP: the world sucks and you make it worse TBH
YipYip: Ad hominem.
WANG$AP: ad hominem lol
WANG$AP: keep saying it
YipYip: Ad hominem.
WANG$AP: one more
YipYip: Ad hominem.
WANG$AP: don't really care
YipYip: Poor debate skills.
WANG$AP: when you jerk off at the end of the night
WANG$AP: because you debate about stuff and think that you're always right
WANG$AP: that's whatever
YipYip: Starting to think that you genuinely wouldn't debate with Jeremy.
WANG$AP: he literally yelled
WANG$AP: and talked over me
WANG$AP: and started calling me an idiot
WANG$AP: that just listens to what the media says
YipYip: I'm sure he also said "when you jerk off at the end of the night."
WANG$AP: your world views are so shitty lmao
WANG$AP: you just look at how fucked up the world is
WANG$AP: and how bad it is
WANG$AP: and don't care
WANG$AP: that's whatever
WANG$AP: tired of talking to you about anything
[5:57:04 PM] JackProehl: WANG$AP: it's better for my mental health to never talk to you again
WANG$AP: league of legends
WANG$AP: real life
WANG$AP: everything
WANG$AP: bites me in the ass when I talk to you
WANG$AP: because you're a dick
YipYip: Well that's your choice, I certainly have no right to stop you from doing so.
WANG$AP: yeah
WANG$AP: that's really true
YipYip: But if you ever do feel like talking, I am available whenever.
WANG$AP: never message me again through any platform please
YipYip: Okay, I will await your response then.
WANG$AP: never message me again through any platform please
YipYip: You got it.
WANG$AP: never message me again through any platform please
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