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  1. Kerd R1
  2.  
  3. Hank vs Six
  4.  
  5. * Hank's strength feats are above Six's and he also scales evenly to people who are also stronger than Six
  6.  
  7. * Six's main durability feat puts him in a good bit of pain whereas Hank has better durability feats and isn't left injured in them like Six
  8.  
  9. * While their swords are both impressive in cutting power, Hank will overpower Six due to his better striking feats
  10.  
  11. * Six's premier speed feat actually has him react before the pistol fires, leaving it to only be usable as a movement speed feat
  12.  
  13. * Six's speed is inconsistent as he fails to dodge a monster swiping at him from behind while it was falling in real-time
  14.  
  15. * On the other hand, Hank has been shown to have great bullet timing reflexes but also possesses the speed to act within these timeframes
  16.  
  17. * Hank is better in every way and will eventually kill Six with his guns when they get closer
  18.  
  19. Sasuke vs Aoshi
  20.  
  21. * Sasuke scales to Enraged Naruto who scales to Haku who moves fast
  22.  
  23. * Aoshi's speed scaling is vague and his bullet statement is also vague
  24.  
  25. * Sasuke's better speed is also aided by the fact that he can predict movements, so Aoshi would never be able to tag him
  26.  
  27. * Sasuke also possesses better strength feats than Aoshi
  28.  
  29. * Sasuke's win conditions all involve him one shotting Aoshi with either a Chidori, fireball, or just by shanking him
  30.  
  31. Alfa vs Obould
  32.  
  33. * Obould's speed feats are vague
  34.  
  35. * Alfa strikes fast enough to deflect M16 bullets
  36.  
  37. * Obould's piercing resistance isn't good enough to take a slice that can cut through concrete
  38.  
  39. * Alfa blitzes and one shots
  40.  
  41. ***
  42.  
  43. Coco R1
  44.  
  45. Hank vs Six
  46.  
  47. * Six has good piercing, reaction speed, striking speed speed, and movement speed while also being strong and skilled
  48.  
  49. * Hank lacks piercing resistance
  50.  
  51. * Hank has visibly slow movement speed
  52.  
  53. * Hank avoids using a single weapon consistently and often engages in melee rather than rely on his firearms
  54.  
  55. * Hank's sword's best feat is slicing a thin pipe whereas Six can slice through thick concrete and steel
  56.  
  57. * Hank has been shown to be unable to react to close range gunfire and has been tagged by bullets, putting his high end bullet timing into question
  58.  
  59. * Hank's best objective striking feat isn't going to do much to Six's durability and his go to tactic of ripping opponents apart wouldn't work on Six
  60.  
  61. * Hank's strength scaling to Tricky is questionable as Tricky is powered by an improbability drive and warps reality around him
  62.  
  63. * Hank doesn't look human so Six wouldn't hold back
  64.  
  65. * Cool chart
  66.  
  67. Sasuke vs Aoshi
  68.  
  69. * Aoshi can explicitly block bullets
  70.  
  71. * Aoshi easily keeps up against Kenshin and can even strike before Kenshin could react, Kenshin is fast enough to dodge an attack faster than bullets and avoid a thrown sword an inch away from his face
  72.  
  73. * Aoshi's skill lets him counter attacks from faster opponents
  74.  
  75. * Sasuke's best objective feat is just deflecting shurikens
  76.  
  77. * Aoshi can tank hits from Kenshin, who can destroy a wall just by projectiling someone into it, so Sasuke's strength feat of one shotting a large bear of unknown durability wouldn't do much
  78.  
  79. * Aoshi's uppercut on Kenshin damages him more than him being sent crashing through the ground, creating a trailing crater
  80.  
  81. * This level of strength should be sufficient enough to at least hurt Sasuke
  82.  
  83. * Aoshi is incredibly skilled and his techniques would prove to be very challenging for Sasuke to deal with
  84.  
  85. Alfa vs Obould
  86.  
  87. * Obould has incredible lifting and striking strength
  88.  
  89. * The Flaming Greatsword is both a piercing and heat weapon which is lethal for Alfa
  90.  
  91. * Obould's speed scales to Drizzt, who can throw attacks in 10-15 ms and can react to attacks in that timeframe too since he can keep up with someone equal to him
  92.  
  93. * Obould is covered in Mithril armor which should let him tank any piercing and heat attacks from Alfa
  94.  
  95. ***
  96.  
  97. Kerd R2
  98.  
  99. Hank vs Six
  100.  
  101. * Six lacks piercing resistance and Hank has a gun
  102.  
  103. * The examples of Hank not using a firearm are ineffective as the only reason he didn't use them was because he didn't have on at the time
  104.  
  105. * When he does have a gun, he uses it a lot
  106.  
  107. * Hank's sword can cut through a skull and a thick slab of iron
  108.  
  109. * Hank's movement speed is good as shown by his bullet timing feats and Six isn't moving at fast speeds constantly either as shown by Kerd's uncontested antifeats
  110.  
  111. * Six's close range bullet dodge was done after the bullet was fired and goes uncontested
  112.  
  113. * Six's other speed feats aren't even close to 1 ms as they're deflecting bullets of unknown speeds several meters away
  114.  
  115. * Six has never dealt with a gunman who fires as fast as Hank
  116.  
  117. * The chart is cool but wrong
  118.  
  119. * Hank is physically superior and has guns
  120.  
  121. Sasuke vs Aoshi
  122.  
  123. * The bullet statement is still vague and the scaling is messy and doesn't translate to Aoshi's movement speed or reflexes
  124.  
  125. * Sasuke still has good movement speed and even his objective movement speed feats are good
  126.  
  127. * Aoshi's strength feat is just sending a 70 kg man into the air while Sasuke's strength feat is knocking down several tons
  128.  
  129. * Aoshi's techniques won't work against Sasuke's prediction skills and superior speed
  130.  
  131. * The Chidori and Fireball went uncontested
  132.  
  133. Alfa vs Obould
  134.  
  135. * Obould's speed scaling chain doesn't work well
  136.  
  137. * Afla actually has good objective speed feats
  138.  
  139. * Alfa's piercing is powerful and even if he won't get through Obould's armor in a single hit, he will get through it eventually
  140.  
  141. ***
  142.  
  143. Coco R2
  144.  
  145. Hank vs Six
  146.  
  147. * Six's pistol dodging feat is still done after the trigger is pulled and within the lock time, giving at least 3 ms and is backed up from Six seeing raindrops moving incredibly slow in his perspective
  148.  
  149. * Six's bullet deflecting feats are more impressive as he runs towards the shooter whereas Hank can only deflect 4 bullets while standing still and then gets shot
  150.  
  151. * Hank's bullet timing feat is most likely aim blocking as he's prepared to block ahead of time
  152.  
  153. * The other bullet timing feat is suspect as it's more likely that the zombies are missing
  154.  
  155. * Hank is constantly portrayed as moving slow
  156.  
  157. * Six outruns Hank and can abuse stealth as Hank has been fallen victim to that before
  158.  
  159. * The examples shown for Hank using guns were when he only had guns and when given both guns and melee weapons, he often opts for melee
  160.  
  161. * There's no evidence of Tricky's mask being made of iron and with how easy MP5 bullets go through it, it's most likely not iron
  162.  
  163. * Six can react faster than Hank shoot and Hank can't escape from Six's faster movement speed to avoid a stealth kill
  164.  
  165. Sasuke vs Aoshi
  166.  
  167. * Sasuke has no given reaction speeds and the reaction speed needed to react to Naruto's blitz is slow for the tier
  168.  
  169. * IRL human reflexes are all that's needed to react to a blitz from Sasuke at 12 meters
  170.  
  171. * Aoshi is at least equal to someone who can dodge attacks faster than a bullet and is backed up by a character statement confirming he can cut bullets
  172.  
  173. * The bear feat was done with a large windup drop kick and doesn't provide insight to the power of Sasuke's regular hits
  174.  
  175. * Aoshi being able to launch Kenshin is impressive, considering Kenshin is barely displaced by a high speed tree trunk to the face
  176.  
  177. * The Chidori is highly telegraphed and Aoshi's technique analysis would allow him to avoid it, especially considering slow fighters like Naruto can avoid it
  178.  
  179. * Aoshi has used the environment to avoid fire attacks before and it's unlikely Sasuke would open up with this
  180.  
  181. Alfa vs Obould
  182.  
  183. * Obould's scaling to Drizzt and the Wererat is sound scaling
  184.  
  185. * Alfa's piercing isn't strong enough to get past Obould's armor
  186.  
  187. * Alfa can't defeat Obould through strikes either as he can take attacks from someone who can split boulders
  188.  
  189. * Obould possesses the skill advantage and can also cast illusions
  190.  
  191. ***
  192.  
  193. Kerd R3
  194.  
  195. Hank vs Six
  196.  
  197. * Stealth won't work on Hank as he possesses great senses and awareness
  198.  
  199. * The evidence used for Hank not using guns actually shows him using his gun to its very last bullet
  200.  
  201. * Tricky's mask is literally named the "Iron Slab"
  202.  
  203. * The pipe Hank cut through was a thick stainless steel pipe
  204.  
  205. * Six's pistol dodging feat isn't provably bullet timing as he moves while the trigger is being pulled and it's not provable that he reacted after the bullet was fired
  206.  
  207. * Six's other bullet timing feats are done too far away to be sub 5 ms
  208.  
  209. * Six perceiving rain as slow isn't as good as Hank perceiving bullets as slow and his movements made during this are within milliseconds
  210.  
  211. * Six's bullet timing is done against guns of unknown speeds over a large distance, making the speed needed to react to it unimpressive for the tier
  212.  
  213. * Six has never avoided a quickdraw of Hank's speed
  214.  
  215. Sasuke vs Aoshi
  216.  
  217. * Sasuke has proven to be able to react and avoid Naruto's attacks moving at 100 m/s time and time again
  218.  
  219. * Aoshi was never given a number for his movement speed
  220.  
  221. * Sasuke's punch is too much for Aoshi to handle and would kill him if he tries to block
  222.  
  223. * Aoshi needed a already dug hole to avoid fire and the arena wouldn't give such a hiding spot
  224.  
  225. Alfa vs Obould
  226.  
  227. * There's no reason to assume the Wererats have 150 ms reflexes
  228.  
  229. * Drizzt fighting evenly with someone doesn't automatically equate their reflexes
  230.  
  231. * Alfa's sword going at comparable speeds to assault rifle fire packs a heavy punch
  232.  
  233. * Mithril armor hasn't been proven to be better than steel
  234.  
  235. ***
  236.  
  237. Coco R3
  238.  
  239. Hank vs Six
  240.  
  241. * Hank's anti stealth feats are done against featless mooks unlike Six who actually has stealth feats
  242.  
  243. * Hank has literally fallen victim to a surprise attack
  244.  
  245. * Hank's slicing feats are against thin steel and iron weak enough to be pierced by an SMG whereas Six can slice through incredibly thick concrete pillars while underwater
  246.  
  247. * Six only begins to react and move after the trigger has been pulled
  248.  
  249. * Six has been shown to deflect automatic fire at a closer range than Hank would start from
  250.  
  251. * Six's ability to run at the opponent while deflecting bullets goes uncontested and so does the win condition of Six deflecting a bullet back at Hank
  252.  
  253. * Hank's speed feats are vague and he's been shown to be unable to fully block automatic fire after ample time to prepare
  254.  
  255. * Hank is shown to move slowly most of the time
  256.  
  257. Sasuke vs Aoshi
  258.  
  259. * The speed required to avoid Sasuke's blitz being within IRL human capabilities goes uncontested
  260.  
  261. * Reacting to Naruto moving 100 m/s over several meters isn't single digit millisecond reflexes
  262.  
  263. * Naruto and Sasuke's haven't been given actual numbers for their reflexes
  264.  
  265. * Aoshi has the range advantage and the fireball has no given speed and it's still uncontested that Sasuke would open with it
  266.  
  267. * Sasuke is unfamiliar with Aoshi's techniques making him extremely vulnerable to them
  268.  
  269. Alfa vs Obould
  270.  
  271. * The speed scaling for Obould works out well and makes sense
  272.  
  273. * Mithril is confirmed better than steel
  274.  
  275. * Alfa's vulnerability to heat and piercing goes uncontested
  276.  
  277. ***
  278.  
  279. Judgements
  280.  
  281. Hank vs Six
  282.  
  283. Six wins. I believe Coco successfully proved that Six's pistol dodge feat was indeed done after the trigger was pulled and thus within 2 ms. Coco does bring up a good point in Hank being clearly slow in regards to his movement speed, but
  284. Coco's argument of Hank not using guns blew up in his face when his very scan shows him using it extensively
  285. I believe Coco's arguments against the power of Hank's slicing were effective and that Kerd was overhyping it a bit, but this point isn't a big deal as Six has negative piercing resistance.
  286. Coco's stealth argument falls a bit flat as the given feat for Six's stealth isn't all that great and Kerd has shown that Hank has pretty good awareness.
  287. Both sides presented good evidence on why their character would win, but I believe Coco edges out the win as his given antifeats for Hank were pretty damning. Hank has been shown to be unable to properly bullet timing and Coco has put the actual bullet timing feats under fire as they could've just been the zombies missing. I also believe Coco presented enough counter evidence to the idea that Six is slow with the multitude of feats of Six clearly being presented as fast.
  288.  
  289. Sasuke vs Aoshi
  290.  
  291. Aoshi wins. While both sides made some missteps with their arguments, in the end I was convinced Aoshi's speed and piercing would grant him the victory. The main argument in this fight was over speed and I found it very odd that Kerd took issue with Coco's "3 layered scaling" when his own speed arguments relied on a similar 3 layered scaling. Both combatants had their speeds scaled off an opponent they could keep up and outspeed someone who was shown to be able to outspeed this person who could move this fast.
  292. In regards to Aoshi's speed, Coco successfully convinced me of Aoshi being fast. While the cutting bullet statement alone isn't convincing, it provides an excellent supplement to bolster Aoshi's scaling to Kenshin who can avoid bullet speed+ attacks. Coco also puts into question the effectiveness of Sasuke's blitz as Sasuke traveling 50 m/s over 12 meters is within a real life human's capability to react and Kerd doesn't try to contest this. Coupling Aoshi's speed with his techniques would make it so he's likely to score at least a single hit on Sasuke and with his sword, one hit is all he needs.
  293. The most important part of the argument after speed is damage capability and I'm convinced that both combatants can one shot the other. The Chidori is obviously extremely powerful and so are the fireballs, while Aoshi has piercing which Sasuke possesses no resistance to. But Coco puts the Chidori under fire on its usefulness as it's heavily telegraphed and Aoshi is skilled in analyzing techniques, which would aid him in avoiding it. Kerd doesn't try to contest this at all, which is odd considering it's one of his primary win conditions, other than fireball and punch hard. The fireball has its own problems as while Coco's argument of Aoshi hiding from it was weak, he does bring up the point on whether it's in character for Sasuke to even open up with it and Kerd doesn't try to counter that claim.
  294.  
  295. Alfa vs Obould
  296.  
  297. Alfa wins. Alfa was a good deal faster in both reflexes and striking speed. Coco's focus on Obould's defenses were a good one, but he made the mistake of the wrong scan to prove it. The splitting boulder's feat was actually a piercing resistance feat, not a blunt durability one like Coco argued, which would've been much better in his defense of Obould's defense. Regardless, Kerd proved that Afla's slices were very powerful and even if they wouldn't defeat Obould in a single blow, he'll eventually get through and someone of his speed would't be tagged by Obould.
  298.  
  299. Coco wins 2-1
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