Dialogue with racists who spread agitprop, fudge

DoubIeDiamondTime
dislike too
fudge
Biden is a liberal, of course he stands for something, lol.
DoubIeDiamondTime
lots of boomers i know are aghast at how trump has handled the pandemic
DoubIeDiamondTime
my nazi friends are thoroughly off the trump train too
DoubIeDiamondTime
biden can do absolutely nothing and trump will have a harder time than in 2016
20:10 fudge
It has nothing to do with Biden himself, he is just the front-facing person for what's happening behind the scenes which is a donor abandonment with the GOP and the Dems trying to soak them all up.
fudge
Peopel don't have statues at their door
fudge
Ammon Bundy understands what's going on better than this.
fudge
Nobody else is talking in this shithole :p
fudge
Most people felt the police precint being torched was justified.
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fudge
Most people (still) support BLM
fudge
Most people do not believe there are mobs coming from their doors. That's petite bourgeois fear.
fudge
That's the fear of the contractors and the small business owners who are suddenly losing everything due to the pandemic.
fudge
Most of americans generally are either neutrally okay with what's going on or support it.
fudge
I don't know what's Trump message is this time.
DoubIeDiamondTime
fudge, the fact has even managed to bungle popular disgust with the riots, looting, and political violence of antifa is a worrying sign
EonEcho
DoubIeDiamondTime: I put you on ignore with no expiration date.
EonEcho
I did this because you're racist.
EonEcho
fudge: Did you see their racism?
20:19 fudge
DoubIeDiamondTime: Yeah, and Biden will need to run towards the police, already his campaign hints at "increasing funding."
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20:19 fudge
The schism between liberals and the left will be exploited.
fudge
Many old Freepers
fudge
They are angry they can't zot the protestors
EonEcho
fudge: You ignore me and engage the racist.
EonEcho
Interesting.
fudge
EonEcho: Say something more pertinent? I talk to all sinners.
EonEcho
fudge: His last post was agitprop against the non-existent antifa.
EonEcho
So, by engaging that piece of propaganda, without refuting it, you helped normalize it.
fudge
Well it exists. I don't suspect that this tiny little corner of the internet is going to change anything in the grand scheme of things.
EonEcho
fudge: I think you're confused in some important ways.
EonEcho
fudge: Are you in the Enlightenment school?
fudge
I'm not surprised.
fudge
No I am not in the Enlightment school
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EonEcho
fudge: Which school(s) are you in as alternative to Enlightenment?
fudge
I am not in any schools.
EonEcho
fudge: False.
EonEcho
fudge: Does external reality exist outside of human perception?
fudge
EonEcho: Is this like a quiz to determine my school of thought?
EonEcho
No.
EonEcho
It is a probe to determine the best way to speak to you in regards to your failure on DoubIeDiamondTime.
EonEcho
You made epistemic references in your response to me.
EonEcho
fudge: Let me know if my intelligence becomes to high to meet your "all sinners" test.
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fudge
EonEcho: Your question already assumes there's a divide to be had between perception and reality.
fudge
It's like more than half the chat is about how other people aren't worth reading
fudge
lol
EonEcho
fudge: Does DoubIeDiamondTime adhere to a notion of an external reality to which his faction is attempting to accurately assess and communicate?
EonEcho
It doesn't, right.
EonEcho
Which is a core lesson learned from the 20th century vis-a-vis leftism and its many incarnations and interactions with other significant movements like fascism and Nazism.
EonEcho
DoubIeDiamondTime is a descendant of Nazis. Reality is what The Party state it is. The Party requires the ongoing arrest to be caused by a rival faction, and so it is.
EonEcho
Now, your various readings should reveal all of this to you, but you engage his claim as if it was a fair description of reality.
EonEcho
This is you, as a leftist, in a rival faction, laundering his factions agitprop.
EonEcho
Which is especially damaging on multiple fronts.
EonEcho
Now, when I stated "non-existent antifa", that claim you rigorously fact-checked.
EonEcho
If you believe external reality exists outside of human perceptions, you probably also except contemporary cosmology which posits the amount of information in that universe far exceeds human mental capacity, and so we'll have to summarize.
EonEcho
All statements are summarizations, and somewhat false.
EonEcho
Yes, antifa exists in the sense that there are people operating in the United States that align with that ideology movement.
EonEcho
Is any of that social phenomenon substantively involved in any of the ongoing unrest?
EonEcho
Of course not.
EonEcho
So, in that sense, i.e. the sense in which antifa was structurally contained in the claim under discussion, it is not causally relevant, which is equivalent to not existing.
EonEcho
A nice summarization of that correct assessment in the context of agitprop from the known racist DoubIeDiamondTime is "antifa doesn't exist".
fudge
EonEcho: I meant the agitprop exists. It's in a space where it is circulated. This channel is that space. Me receiving what is said over and over again isn't going to matter.
EonEcho
But, that claim was too much for you so you wanted to ensure we don't entirely refute DoubIeDiamondTime's notion.
EonEcho
Why do you want that agitprop to exist?
fudge
This is a long way to just say that antifa has no centralized organization