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  1. Lesta Nediam LNC2016-03-27 2105 +Anthony B.
  2. https://plus.google.com/+LestaNediamHQ/posts/AgFNMyjkTyR
  3. https://pastebin.com/pNU9M1M2
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  7. +Anthony B. __ Do you accept that some can people sound similar - _even identical_ - but that they are not the same person? *If you do then you must understand that it is not possible to "prove you wrong" without "Jeff C" showing his face or somehow identifying something about himself that makes it clear he isn't "Stefan Molyneux".*
  8.  
  9. And so demanding that someone else prove you wrong when "Jeff C" will never do what's needed - is disingenuous. The burden of proof is on you. You are the one making the claim.
  10.  
  11. Since two people can sound alike but be different you need to do a little more than just point out two people sounding alike.
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  13. With regard to "Mark Sargent" - you said the "flat Earth clues" had been narrated by one of the "Key and Peele" pair (I forget which). Back then I had a listen and sure - it did sound like one of the Key/Peele team.
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  15. However - it has since turned out that "Mark Sargent" is definitely neither of the "Key and Peele" pair and definitely did narrate the "flat Earth clues" himself.
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  17. It does not matter about any connections he may have to Microsoft because that was never the claim.
  18.  
  19. *The claim was that the voices were a "match" and that the narrator of the "flat Earth clue" was "Key/Peele".*
  20.  
  21. On occasion I use "Bing" in my videos - I hope that you won't think I work for Microsoft and that is why I am not supporting your claim! My use of "Bing" is for very different reasons.
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  23. Understand that I don't have a problem with you and never have. You are fine with me. I simply disagree with you - in a very strong way - on this claim. (More so than the "Sargent/Key|Peele" claim.)
  24.  
  25. Having observed how you have interacted with +Terran Downvale it is clear that your mind is made up - *so I had stayed out of it.*
  26.  
  27. However - it was only when John le Bon (JLB) associated my name with the claim that I was forced to distance myself from it categorically.
  28.  
  29. Know that I am someone who can disagree about something and not think any less of a person. Many people I have come across here - if you disagree with them on just one thing - they will turn on you.
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  31. You don't have to worry about me being "negative" toward you because of this matter. I hope it is the same for you (I suppose we'll find out).
  32.  
  33. Had John le Bon (JLB) not mentioned my name then I would not have said anything. I would have kept quiet. Had I not been involved by a third person my opinion would have remained private/separate and we would not be having this conversation.
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  35. *I don't want you to make any mistakes.* I don't want you to claim something that would then end up being used against you.
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  38.  
  39. Rather than demanding that those who don't embrace your claim prove you wrong here's what you should do:
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  41. You say that you used multiple software to make the determination. You say that you have 20 years of expertise etc.
  42.  
  43. Okay, so what you need to do is set out a proper video. *One that isn't recorded on a mobile phone but is done using desktop software.*
  44.  
  45. And in that video you can show the various software that you have used and walk people through the process of finding a match using your experience as an audio engineer to make it understandable to those who aren't.
  46.  
  47. Show us why the software you have used (plus your expertise) necessarily proves your conclusion.
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  51. To me - they don't sound like the same person. I am not saying that they do not sound at all alike. I am not saying that they never sound alike. I understand that some words - some phrasing - some moments do sound *similar* - but overall - *to me* - they do not sound like the same person.
  52.  
  53. And so I disagree but that should not be controversial. I am not merely saying "it's not the same person!" - I am explaining why I disagree *and* I am suggesting what you can do to convince others like me who disagree.
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  55. If you aren't willing to do something "extra" then don't be surprised if people react badly. They will react far worse than me.
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  58.  
  59. When I listen to "Stefan Molyneux" speak - I cannot imagine it is "Jeff C" speaking (even if he were putting on another voice). Well - if I can imagine it - I am having to use my imagination.
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  61. __
  62.  
  63. We know that *"Jeff C" is never going to show his face* and so it is not possible for anyone to actually "debunk" your claim *unless* (for example) "Jeff C" and "Stefan Molyneux" both happen to host a live Hangout at the same time thus ruling out the possibility of them being the same person.
  64.  
  65. But that's unlikely.
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  69. None of my words to you should be interpreted negatively. *I know what it is like to be convinced of something that ends up being wrong.* It can be difficult to let go of the idea. But we must let go of falsehoods. *We must seek true things for true reasons only.*
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  71. Whatever happens - I won't hold any of this against you. *If it turns out you are right - then of course I will not hesitate to acknowledge what you have done.* I won't apologise for anything because I am not saying anything wrong and I am going about this the right way. (Though keep in mind that I am only writing these words to you because someone else had dragged me into it.)
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  73. Even if I turn out to be wrong and they are the same person - you still need to do a bit more than you have.
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  75. __
  76.  
  77. "Stefan Molyneux" is a successful character in his own right whereas "Jeff C" is not a very successful character. "Jeff C" isn't all that bright. *I am pretty sure he is mixed up in some shady stuff* but there is no good reason that I can see why "Stefan Molyneux" would bother with the "Jeff C" character.
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  79. If he did - it would have been as a joke and he would not have kept it up for very long. *The only person interested in "Jeff C" is "Jeff C".*
  80.  
  81. Having said all of this - given the way "Jeff C" is behaving - *it would not surprise me if there is some "behind the scenes" connection.*
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  83. "Stefan Molyneux" is probably connected to "Alex Jones" somehow. "Jeff C" could be connected in some way to "Alex Jones" as well (but that is more speculative). There may be a group that has connections to both "Jeff C" and "Stefan Molyneux". I don't know.
  84.  
  85. *The reason I don't know is because none of that matters to me.* Life is simpler if I just assume everyone else is connected "behind the scenes"!
  86.  
  87. __
  88.  
  89. *I can't prove you wrong but that doesn't mean they are the same person.*
  90.  
  91. I reacted strongly on the other thread started by John le Bon (JLB) because "Jordon Rains" was attacking people for disagreeing when really - you have nothing solid. At present it is still just a subjective assessment.
  92.  
  93. People who are your friends and allies here may be inclined to say that they can hear a similarity out of not wanting to offend you etc.
  94.  
  95. I reacted strongly because "Jordon Rains" said I had "revealed my true colours" by not agreeing. If by giving a dissenting opinion *with reasons* and by looking to apply brakes to the claim *for good reasons* - _then yes_ - *I definitely revealed my true colours.*
  96.  
  97. Unfortunately - "Jordon Rains" has revealed *his* true colours to me. His reaction to me with this issue means *I can no longer trust his judgment on anything* because it seems he is guided more by wishful thinking and emotion than reality/truth.
  98.  
  99. __
  100.  
  101. *All said and done here is the situation:*
  102.  
  103. You have identified two people that you say sound alike (not everyone agrees - it is a subjective opinion - but I accept there are people who agree with you).
  104.  
  105. Two people sounding alike - _or even identical_ - does not necessarily mean they are the same person. And so this comes down to your expertise derived from 20 years as a recording engineer.
  106.  
  107. And that should give you some sway but you did get the "Mark Sargent" and "Key/Peele" claim wrong.
  108.  
  109. That is why I would have worded it differently. I would have said "Hey - these two sound alike - what do you think?" And maybe put it up to a vote and let people discuss it. Rather than outright make an assertion about reality.
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  111. If you are *certain* that you are right then you won't be offended by anything I have written. After all - if you are right then nothing I am writing matters.
  112.  
  113. Whatever the case may be you should be motivated to prove that you are right. And that requires doing a bit more than you have. That is why I am saying more needs to be done.
  114.  
  115. >> *You need to prove your case rather than demand everyone who objects to prove you are wrong.* <<
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  119. I think "Jeff C" is ignoring this issue because he is interested only in confusing people.
  120.  
  121. It is probably the case that "Jeff C" *wishes* he was thought of as "Stefan Molyneux" and so might even be proud of the claim.
  122.  
  123. "Jeff C" would probably do anything he can to encourage you and others to believe it - and so if that means not mentioning it at all then he won't mention it at all.
  124.  
  125. Who knows - maybe "Jeff C" might even start throwing in some "Stefan Molyneux" words/mannerisms just to add to the confusion!
  126.  
  127. __
  128.  
  129. Anyway - that is what I have to say.
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  133. __________________________________________
  134. Here is an annotated text file with links to all of Lesta Nediam's posts, comments, videos and discussions:
  135. https://pastebin.com/Bfr5RMSg
  136.  
  137. Here is Lesta Nediam's Google Plus posts (i.e., blog) - this is where Lesta is most active:
  138. https://plus.google.com/+LestaNediamHQ
  139.  
  140. Here is an annotated text file with links to all of Lesta Nediam's video uploads:
  141. https://pastebin.com/WV42jUb1
  142.  
  143. Here is Lesta Nediam's YouTube channel - for videos about the lie system:
  144. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3DalBOEZ6RqSyHk8_mGV7w
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