have fun finding a roamer for playoffs

4:10 PM] prograde: rip
[4:13 PM] prograde: http://www.teamfortress.tv/post/886594/stream-highlights i've angered the tftv circlejerk again
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[4:13 PM] prograde: I need a clip of me laughing or something
[4:13 PM] prograde: someone quick
[4:20 PM] prograde: https://puu.sh/B6q9D/2e8e699984.png

[4:21 PM] prograde: https://puu.sh/B6qax/63eaf3c341.png tfw grape juice posts his own clips too but they get upvoted because he's part of the circlejerk :LUL:

[4:26 PM] Console-: dishsoap kinda has a point tbf
[4:27 PM] prograde: his point is that streamers shouldn't use the tools they have available to help promote themselves, relying entirely on twitch's algorithms and the whims of passerby's. It's completely arbitrary
[4:28 PM] Console-: what hes saying is that the only person that ever posts your clips is you
[4:28 PM] prograde: that's not correct
[4:28 PM] Console-: and people with much smaller streams have other people post clips
[4:28 PM] Console-: from their channels
[4:29 PM] Console-: i've only ever seen you post clips from tv/progradetf2
[4:29 PM] prograde: again, relying on other people arbitrarily.
[4:29 PM] prograde: why is that somehow laudable
[4:29 PM] prograde: why not criticize the clips on their own merits, instead of looking at who's clipping them?
[4:30 PM] Console-: because by themselves the clips you're posting aren't particularly outstanding
[4:30 PM] prograde: right, and I'm the only one in the entire thread who has unimpressive clips?
[4:33 PM] prograde: it's interesting how much more the person who posts the clip/who the streamer is matters compared to what happens in the clip. Someone like yight posts a single high-altitude airshot, yells, gets 50 upvotes. i can do the exact same thing (and have in the past) and it gets mass-downvoted
[4:34 PM] Console-: its a combination of 3 aspects of your posts
[4:34 PM] Console-: 1) almost all of your posts on tftv are in stream highlights. this makes it seem less like these are highlights and more like you are just spamming self promotion
[4:35 PM] Console-: 2) the majority of the clips aren't particularly impressive
[4:35 PM] prograde: because I don't use tftv for anything else?
[4:36 PM] Console-: 3) you are the only one who i've seen post from your stream. these three things combined make it seem like you're posting highlights from your own stream as a show of ego and self promotion, instead of sharing a genuinely unique experience
[4:36 PM] prograde: right, because nobody else who watches me uses tftv because they share the conviction that it's a giant circlejerk
[4:36 PM] Console-: not at all, really
[4:37 PM] Console-: when you constantly post underwhelming clips from your own stream and only post those people are going to be very quick to dismiss you
[4:37 PM] Console-: and its not like all of your clips are bad, your clip of the 6k during the ETF cup got 30+ upfrags
[4:37 PM] Console-: people just genuinely dont enjoy the content
[4:37 PM] prograde: lmao
[4:37 PM] prograde: that's because it was not my own channel
[4:38 PM] Console-: that and it was hysterical
[4:38 PM] Console-: because sami isnt a good PBP caster and totally missed the crazy 6k
[4:38 PM] Console-: it's definitely not a circlejerk because i know a lot of the people who are posting on tftv and the staff as well
[4:39 PM] Console-: grape doesnt really have a circlejerk, maybe with slice?
[4:39 PM] Console-: dishsoap is in the smesi circlejerk
[4:39 PM] Console-: yight is his own man
[4:39 PM] Console-: i feel like claiming that "circlejerk" is keeping you out is kind of a copout
[4:40 PM] prograde: that's not just my opinion lmao
[4:43 PM] prograde: or to be more accurate, it's not my opinion that a "circlejerk is keeping me out"(edited)
[4:43 PM] prograde: nobody is keeping me from doing as i please, obviously
[4:49 PM] acid: :eyes:
[4:51 PM] prograde: But it's fairly obvious that I can put out clips of similar or greater quality as other streamers and still get backlash simply because the person who streamed the content is also the person posting it, if not just because "lol fuck prograde"
[4:53 PM] acid: according to shapeways, my memes are art. i deserve more respect tbh.

[4:53 PM] Console-: but your clips aren't of equal or better quality.
[4:53 PM] prograde: right, so show an example
[4:53 PM] prograde: which clips are of lesser quality
[4:54 PM] Console-: This mindset just reinforces to the community that you have an ego
[4:54 PM] acid: prograde does have an ego
[4:54 PM] Console-: you had a half-impressive airshot but the entire gist of it is ruined because you name the clip "Jebaited" and claim we were baiting you when it was just a shitty time to be in
[4:54 PM] Console-: you have a clip of you getting airshot straight up in the air and being sad
[4:56 PM] Console-: a mostly standard headshot on a medic walking in a straight line
[4:56 PM] Console-: none of these clips stand out
[4:57 PM] prograde: "half impressive" well if that's the half measure then by your standards most of these clips are shit lmao
[4:57 PM] Console-: your mostly monotone voice in these clips projects that you don't have an exuberant personality, and the shots arent very impressive
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[4:59 PM] Console-: https://clips.twitch.tv/FrozenHeadstrongMallardSMOrc this is an example of a good highlight. The clip's context was situationally funny, it's a scenario that doesnt occur often, and the streamer's reaction was filled with emotion
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Scyper_ Playing Team Fortress 2 - Twitch Clips

[4:59 PM] prograde: right because only earraping and yelling show exuberance? I don't act like yight or sighguy for a reason
[5:01 PM] Console-: i never said that
[5:02 PM] Console-: but you can't deny that there is a clear lack of emotion in your tone
[5:02 PM] prograde: some people say that, but some people don't can't read my inflection very well
[5:02 PM] Console-: the fact that your emotion is not inherently understood by the viewer is the problem
[5:02 PM] prograde: to be clear, I don't freak out or yell for a reason
[5:03 PM] prograde: at least during a scrim
[5:03 PM] Console-: you don't need to
[5:03 PM] Console-: https://clips.twitch.tv/BlueSteamyYogurtKreygasm this is an example of that
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silves Playing Team Fortress 2 - Twitch Clips

[5:03 PM] Console-: player is 100% calm but hits a very impressive double
[5:04 PM] Console-: clips that are deemed "highlightworthy" can be catagorized in 3 ways: crazy play/shot, funny moment, or hilarious obvious mistake
[5:04 PM] prograde: I've also hit fairly decent double airshots, though definitely not as nice as that, still noteworthy. still gets downfragged :thinking:
[5:05 PM] Console-: most of the plays you're making are fairly standard (save for the airshot on sunshine which i already explained why it was a poor choice to clip)
[5:06 PM] Console-: and because personality and comedy aren't really the focus of your clips it kinda just seems like there's not a ton to them
[5:15 PM] prograde: the explanation you provided doesn't hold up, and the example clips you've provided are the exception. If you look at more clips, it's fairly obvious that clips like the one's I'm about to show don't "stand out" by your standards, but have a positive rating anyways
https://clips.twitch.tv/CrepuscularRenownedMonitorTheRinger (streamer says he doesn't know about ligma, and dies in game)
https://clips.twitch.tv/SaltyLightClamBCWarrior (roughly same distance airshot at the time of shooting as I've shown in multiple clips)
https://clips.twitch.tv/IcyColorfulCasetteWow (getting killed and reacting)
https://clips.twitch.tv/ReliableObedientAyeayeTBTacoRight (b4nny attempts to open a bottle)

do you understand how this fails to hold up? The standard is definitely nowhere near where you're saying it is(edited)
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b4nny Playing Team Fortress 2 - Twitch Clips

[5:17 PM] Console-: oh my god...
[5:18 PM] prograde: i could go through and prove my point with a much broader sample size but I don't have that kind of time to waste
[5:19 PM] prograde: if you want to convince me, feel free to do the research tho
[5:19 PM] prograde: so far it really just comes down to subjectivity
[5:25 PM] Console-: you are pretending like none of those clips are particularly interesting because you fail to see the differnce
[5:26 PM] Console-: thaigrr is an incredibly good player, so people are going to be drawn to him hitting impressive shots and from looking at your clips only twice in the past 3 months have you had anything like the airshot he hit on gully
[5:26 PM] Console-: ombrack was getting baited as shit and melee reg killed him
[5:27 PM] Console-: b4nny and the ligma clip are both fucking hilarious
[5:27 PM] Console-: because b4nny is drunk out of his mind and the comical timing on the death is ludicrous
[5:27 PM] Console-: meanwhile
[5:27 PM] Console-: https://clips.twitch.tv/VainBraveRabbitCoolStoryBro player hits relatively decent surf, no players chasing him and was relatively safe for the entire time

https://clips.twitch.tv/TameDarkSrirachaTF2John admittedly a fat shot; unfortunately buried with 3 other subpar clips in the same post

https://clips.twitch.tv/SmoggyCooperativeFrogPeoplesChamp standard medic pick and then killing a low health roamer who was distracted taking a fight

https://clips.twitch.tv/TardyMoistShrimpSuperVinlin sync rocket bomb eliminates 2 players, and knocks the others off to cap an already almost-capped point

https://clips.twitch.tv/TastyVainLardChefFrank random point-blank arrow that's not particularly impressive

https://clips.twitch.tv/SecretiveTiredShieldPogChamp backstab on 2 players not looking at you then revolver kill on low health cloaking spy

https://clips.twitch.tv/SmilingLuckyAubergineSMOrc again, an impressive shot that's buried in a post with subpar clips

https://clips.twitch.tv/CorrectWittyMosquitoUncleNox decent airshot, but the clip name makes it seem more like complaining than celebrating

https://clips.twitch.tv/FineTardyArmadilloHeyGuys double airshot on a non-strafing player

https://clips.twitch.tv/BombasticWimpyKaleAllenHuhu standard airshot after bombing unseend and missing a rocket
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[5:28 PM] prograde: if you think the ligma clip was funny then i fully understand the problem here
[5:28 PM] Console-: i think the meme is retarded but you cannot deny the timing was perfect
[5:29 PM] Console-: again, you fail to see where personality plays a role
[5:29 PM] prograde: right, because none of my clips showed any personality?
[5:29 PM] Console-: not particularly?
[5:30 PM] Console-: as i said, your rather monotone voice and lack of facial expression result in a difficult to read attitude
[5:30 PM] prograde: i can clearly see my content isn't your cup of tea, but my last clip for instance has 557 views. That's objectively popular, as my clips go
[5:31 PM] Console-: and the stylistic choice of clip names and timings, combined with you being the one clipping them of your own stream, makes you seem incredibly conceited and egotistical, and overestimative of the skill of your plays
[5:32 PM] prograde: there's no overestimation lmao
[5:32 PM] Console-: i went through every single clip and explained
[5:33 PM] prograde: Every single one of your explanations have no baselines, they're just your own subjective interpretation of what happened.
[5:34 PM] prograde: compared to another similar clip they would make sense, but you just did an opinion piece instead of direct comparisons
[5:34 PM] Console-: i could go through each one individually and explain why each was unimpressive, and again, i did point out the few that were good but buried in multiposts with other bad clips
[5:34 PM] prograde: I could get someone who watches my streams to do the exact same thing and they would say the exact opposite, that's why this is a waste of time
[5:34 PM] Console-: but that would be an exercise in futility
[5:35 PM] Genode: Children shut up.
[5:35 PM] Genode: :NotLikeThis:
[5:35 PM] Console-: have you ever considered that if everyone else who sees these dislikes them, then they might be generally not good clips?
[5:37 PM] prograde: you realize my purpose for posting these isn't to receive validation from the apes on tftv, right? I'm posting my highlights in that thread because i know a specific stream highlights channel gets their clips from there. That, and because I like having my own clips.
[5:38 PM] Console-: that channel automatically posts clips that have 20+ upfrags
[5:38 PM] Console-: it was a bot channel coded by hedgehog hero
[5:38 PM] prograde: cool
[5:44 PM] prograde: While you've made your opinion my clips very clear, apart from your input the only thing people seem to complain about when it comes to my posts are the fact that it's me. There's little to no evidence that it has anything to do with the quality of the clips, but instead by the various factions that regurgitate the same opinions among eachother, of which has been well documented.
[5:44 PM] prograde: I'm going to continue posting clips that are on par with similar clips posted in that channel in terms of content. If they get downvoted, oh well
[5:44 PM] Console-: ITS NOT JUST THAT
[5:45 PM] Console-: no one likes your clips, not just me
[5:45 PM] Console-: and when you post them it makes your mid open ego boosted even more
[5:45 PM] Console-: jesus how thick are you
[5:45 PM] Console-: to be fair this is the fucking pocket who thought playing low ground 24/7 on metal was a good idea
[5:46 PM] Console-: i've been trying to hold my tongue but god
[5:46 PM] prograde: are we really going to do this
[5:46 PM] Saltssaumure v2.5.0:

[5:46 PM] prograde: console you get sub 200 dpm every single game
[5:46 PM] Saltssaumure v2.5.0: whats happening in here
[5:46 PM] Console-: i am aware im a shit player
[5:46 PM] Console-: i will openly admit that
[5:46 PM] Console-: on roamer at least
[5:46 PM] prograde: so stop vommiting shit
[5:46 PM] prograde: its infecting me
[5:47 PM] prograde: seriously just chill out
[5:47 PM] Console-: prograde you have a poor sense of the game and as someone who's been watching since i was literally a child and playing since s20 i find it hard to believe after what will be your 2nd season of IM next season you still dont have a grasp on the basic dynamics of tf2
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[5:48 PM] prograde: hey console, guess what, ive also been watching tf2 for a long time. It doesn't make you a good player
[5:48 PM] prograde: you have no idea what you're talking about
[5:48 PM] prograde: no significant experience, no credibility
[5:49 PM] Console-: i have made playoffs twice and have been casting for 3 seasons
[5:49 PM] prograde: as medic?
[5:49 PM] prograde: cool
[5:49 PM] prograde: that's the fast track
[5:50 PM] Console-: LMAO
[5:52 PM] prograde: @Saltssaumure v2.5.0 sorry, my bottom fragging roamer with half my experience and even less competence is telling me I don't know how to maincall because he casts matches, and seems to think this is the correct time and place to tell me about my ego
[5:53 PM] prograde: @Console- if we got a problem then we can talk about it in dms.
[6:00 PM] yam: christ prograde
[6:00 PM] yam: calm down
[6:00 PM] yam: theres no need for this
[6:00 PM] prograde: let it be said, I was not the one who made it personal
[6:01 PM] yam: i mean from what i read it was more along the lines of constructive criticism
[6:01 PM] yam: it could've been less harsh but still
[6:01 PM] prograde: i mean when it was just about the clips I was perfectly willing to have a polite discussion
[6:02 PM] Console-: the point i was getting at is that you absolutely refuse to accept criticisms from anyone
[6:02 PM] Console-: and have had that problem for seasons as other players have tried and failed to point this out to you
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[6:07 PM] prograde: I'm perfectly willing to agree that I've been stubborn in past seasons, though the case as it was then is more or less the same as it is now: people have no rhetorical skills and do a terrible job at proving/supporting what they are saying. If I don't see a convincing argument then I don't play along. It's almost kinda funny how upset people have gotten when I didn't take what they said at face value, but that's not the same as being stubborn for the sake of being stubborn