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- [18:25] <+GraceJones> See what you did, mib
- [18:25] <+GraceJones> With your African name
- 01[18:26] <+YourMom> Ask mib about chemtrails.
- [18:26] <+mib_mqwfui> ..uh do you know how many people live at africa
- [18:26] <+mib_mqwfui> ..well this works..thank you
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- [18:26] <+GraceJones> ARound 900 million, mib
- [18:27] <+mib_mqwfui> ..wow 900 million and theyre all africans
- [18:27] <+mib_mqwfui> ..what does that say about wwhite people
- [18:28] <+GraceJones> There aren't any races, mib
- [18:28] <+mib_mqwfui> ..there's some wwhite people in south africa at least
- [18:28] <+GraceJones> I like how you say wwhite
- [18:29] <+GraceJones> African names are cool
- [18:29] <+GraceJones> They seem exotic to me
- [18:29] <+mib_mqwfui> ..wwhite people have that ability to be comftorble in situations
- [18:29] <+mib_mqwfui> ..oh thank you grace
- [18:30] <+mib_mqwfui> ..many african americans are on social security today
- [18:30] <+mib_mqwfui> ..it doesn't pay for everything
- [18:30] <+GraceJones> The effects of historical racism are still in play
- [18:30] <+mib_mqwfui> ..it's a handy program though for the individuals who are on it
- [18:30] <+GraceJones> Lincoln said it would take two centuries to undo slavery
- [18:30] <+GraceJones> Which is 2065
- [18:31] <+GraceJones> At this point, I think African Americans need to reshape their culture
- [18:31] <+GraceJones> Which I guess they're partially doing
- [18:31] <+mib_mqwfui> ..well most african americans today don't want to see africa
- 02[18:31] * +Phallix (~failix@203-213-101-129.static.tpgi.com.au) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
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- 03[18:32] * blue0ne sets mode: +v Phallix
- [18:32] <+mib_mqwfui> ..african americans have learned many new aspects out of the entire wwhite culture but it was never exciting
- [18:33] <+GraceJones> How come you say wwhite?
- [18:34] <+Sojo-Mojo> heh
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- [18:34] <+Sojo-Mojo> i was wondering about the ..
- [18:34] <+mib_mqwfui> ..and as the country ages i do think we see different ways of thinking
- 03[18:34] * Pazooza (~Lucifer@cpe-74-75-129-148.maine.res.rr.com) has joined #debates
- 03[18:34] * blue0ne sets mode: +v Pazooza
- [18:34] <+mib_mqwfui> ..well i just say wwhite, instead of white
- [18:35] <+GraceJones> white seems empty ow
- [18:35] <+GraceJones> now
- [18:35] <+GraceJones> I guess it's a phonetic deal
- [18:35] <+mib_mqwfui> ..you mean like a telegraph
- [18:35] <+GraceJones> No, like wwwwwwhite
- [18:35] <+mib_mqwfui> ..oh yeah well it's the south
- [18:36] <+mib_mqwfui> ..the south has a good deal of people who fear ggod
- [18:37] <+Pazooza> They have terribly small minds.
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- [18:37] <+mib_mqwfui> ..well ssin isn't always rewarded in my mind
- 03[18:37] * blue0ne sets mode: +v Mitino
- [18:39] <+mib_mqwfui> ..there's just many people who could care less over the ssin
- [18:39] <+mib_mqwfui> ..so yes the brain sizes are embaressingly ssmall because of ssin
- [18:40] <+GraceJones> Sin?
- [18:40] <+GraceJones> I'm a member of the transhumanist movement
- [18:40] <+GraceJones> We have our own 'sin'
- [18:40] <+GraceJones> Belief in the divinity of humans would be a sin, for example
- [18:40] <+GraceJones> Because it makes a person less likely to want to upgrade their body
- [18:40] <+mib_mqwfui> ..oh i wouldn't worry about the early 70's ways of thinking
- [18:41] <+mib_mqwfui> ..the females can't get away from it
- [18:42] <+mib_mqwfui> ..but if that's what they always wanted then i don't know anything
- [18:42] <+mib_mqwfui> ..there wasn't much ssin back in 1972
- [18:42] <+mib_mqwfui> ..well then maybe there was
- [18:43] <+Pazooza> Original ssin or mortal sinn.
- [18:44] <+mib_mqwfui> ..well ssin can come in different packages
- [18:44] <+mib_mqwfui> ..but that doesn't have anything to do with jjesus
- [18:45] <+mib_mqwfui> ..unless you believe he died for ssin
- [18:45] <+Pazooza> There is also venial ssin and grave ssin.
- [18:45] <@Mabus> mib, what program are you using to ocnnect to irc?
- [18:45] <@exbel> what the hell is a ssin?
- [18:46] <+Mitino> it's sin for folks with a lisp
- [18:46] <@exbel> or even a sinn, for that matter
- [18:46] <@exbel> unless we're discussing Sinn Fein or something
- [18:46] <+Mitino> Welches Sinn?
- [18:47] <+mib_mqwfui> ..well to protect myself i believe jjesus died for me and my ssins and noone else feels that way
- [18:47] <@exbel> lol that works mitino
- [18:47] <+mib_mqwfui> ..except the chrystians
- [18:47] <+GraceJones> I get tired of educating people who aren't smart
- [18:47] <+Mitino> ooooor!!
- [18:47] <@exbel> iif tthe eenglish llanguage wwas ggood eenough ffor jjesus cchrist, iit's ggood eenough ffor mme
- [18:48] <+Mitino> perhaps the Serpent in the Garden was...
- [18:48] <+Mitino> the Blue Runner!
- [18:48] <+Mitino> or what was it
- [18:48] <+Mitino> Racer?
- [18:48] <+Pazooza> Sprinkle holy water on your sin and your be all sin free.
- [18:48] <+Sojo-Mojo> exbel you forgot the ..
- [18:48] <+Mitino> Blue Racer, yeh
- [18:48] <@exbel> lol Sojo-Mojo
- [18:48] <+GraceJones> People don't realize how dumb they are
- [18:49] <+GraceJones> Obviously, this is true for me, too, but there are fewer people that will feel this way about me
- [18:49] <+GraceJones> And lament my complete idiocy
- [18:49] <+Sojo-Mojo> oh i know i am dumb
- [18:49] <+mib_mqwfui> ..some people just rely on religion to get them through each day
- [18:49] <+GraceJones> People have extremely underdeveloped models of almost everything in their worldview
- [18:49] <+GraceJones> And then get surprised when they can't understand things
- [18:49] <@exbel> people? everybody?
- [18:49] <+Pazooza> How does it get you through your day?
- [18:50] <+GraceJones> exbel, some guy is asking me how I reach ethical decisions. He's a Christian
- [18:50] <+Pazooza> Seems like it would frig up your day.
- [18:50] <+GraceJones> So he only appreciates an unquestioned set of 'right answers' given by God
- [18:50] <@exbel> oh right, "no good without God" etc.?
- [18:50] <+GraceJones> He doesn't realize how this issue is a subset of how do we determine truth
- [18:50] <+GraceJones> And so it's actually not relevant at all how we determine what's right
- [18:50] <+GraceJones> If we have any methods to sort truth from falsity
- [18:50] <+GraceJones> Which we do @ science
- [18:50] <+GraceJones> Yes, it's a common, dumb Christian view
- [18:50] <+mib_mqwfui> ..if not jjesus than ggod will give the answers
- [18:51] <+Pazooza> The Pope excommunicated the Mafia in Italy.
- [18:51] <@exbel> ask your christian friend on what basis he finds slavery morally repugnant, since the bible not only condones slavery but orders slaves to be subservient
- [18:51] <+GraceJones> They'll say, All your ethical rules are self-referencing
- [18:51] <+GraceJones> This is identical to any issue investigated by science
- [18:51] <+GraceJones> All knowledge is self-referencing
- [18:51] <+GraceJones> exbel, it's almost entirely pointless to talk to Christians about anything
- [18:51] <+GraceJones> I tend to see them as broken robots
- 06[18:51] * @exbel nods
- [18:52] <+GraceJones> They'll regurgitate whatever answer to your slavery question their pastor told them
- [18:52] <+GraceJones> And it will be perfectly sensible
- [18:52] <+mib_mqwfui> ..maybe people need a better understanding of jjesus to understand ggod's promise to them
- [18:52] <+SarahBoo> not all christians are hopeless literalists, you know
- [18:52] <@exbel> yeah but i like to ask odd questions to throw them off the script
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