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- [00:41:06] <@NeoZEROX> So should we talk about cycle thing?
- [00:44:49] <Eight-bit> sure o uo
- [00:53:33] <DSS> anyone got a link to the blank page tempate?
- [00:55:34] <DSS> I have a bargain to uphold
- [00:55:58] <@NeoZEROX> http://dissidiacalamitasinfinita.wikia.com/wiki/User:NeoBahamutZEROX/Sandbox_2
- [00:56:13] <@NeoZEROX> You might need fix DLC quotes
- [00:56:23] <@NeoZEROX> I yet update it
- [00:57:46] <DSS> Yeah I'll do that
- [01:08:13] <@NeoZEROX> I dunno why they bring back Deadman Wonderland, it was good first time around but not something I care watch again.
- [01:08:52] <@NeoZEROX> Want bring someting back bring back Trigun
- [01:09:12] <@NeoZEROX> *bring
- [01:13:50] <DSS> so that discussion
- [01:16:41] <DSS> any discussion
- [01:17:19] <@NeoZEROX> I dunno where to start I was hoping someone would
- [01:18:32] <DSS> it's sort of a big topic that requires everyone
- [01:19:16] <@NeoZEROX> Why I want start when Crono and 8bit are still here. >>
- [01:21:31] <DSS> exactly
- [01:21:50] <@NeoZEROX> So what was you idea
- [01:22:07] <@NeoZEROX> revamp it
- [01:23:11] <DSS> yeah but that would require blowing up everything we got so far which is why I don't want to do it
- [01:23:28] <@NeoZEROX> Ah
- [01:23:40] <@NeoZEROX> Then what should start with to talk about?
- [01:24:02] <DSS> i suggested the idea of working backwards for the cycles as it might make things easier
- [01:24:18] <@NeoZEROX> Backwards?
- [01:25:13] <Eight-bit> start at 13, 12
- [01:25:24] <Eight-bit> with the most "main" characters and ideas we have
- [01:25:53] <@NeoZEROX> Ah
- [01:27:14] <DSS> We know that 13 will be basically the final showdown between protag and antag
- [01:28:42] <Eight-bit> Would be nice to iron out those
- [01:28:52] <Eight-bit> just throw in storyline blurbs ion the characters pages for flavor
- [01:30:26] <@NeoZEROX> Yeah I did kinda wanna talk about that cycle and story lines for each hero leading to final story mode.
- [01:30:54] <@NeoZEROX> Do you guys want villain have story modes or just simplified their side
- [01:32:02] <DSS> I never really envisioned there being the story mode for just the heroes
- [01:32:13] <DSS> I kinda saw everyone's story as equal importance
- [01:34:28] <@NeoZEROX> I have thought up how villains kill Ragnarok, it mainly Coatl pushing anti-heroes/villains to kill him thinking it would free their love ones.
- [01:35:35] <DSS> the villains kill ragnarok?
- [01:36:31] <@NeoZEROX> Well ones that are really ones, they're still on WoM
- [01:36:45] <@NeoZEROX> Unless you have a different idea
- [01:37:17] <DSS> I don't think I've heard this before, just asking
- [01:37:43] <Eight-bit> i don't remember it either
- [01:38:45] <@NeoZEROX> I know I said this before. >>
- [01:41:56] <DSS> then refresh our memory?
- [01:44:08] <@NeoZEROX> Pretty much Coatl gets Ryuu and Zane thinking kill Ragnarok would have Kasumi and Clair to return to their world, Alice and if Noelle join them being other other non-villain in WoM, they help them to slain Ragnarok hoping just end the war. And I only adding in Noelle because she only other non-villain in WoM
- [01:44:48] <@NeoZEROX> It up to you if you want her join them, I'm not making you.
- [01:46:29] <DSS> Coatl would need a pretty fantastic reason to get Noelle to join
- [01:46:44] <DSS> the only person she cares about in that manner is dead by that point
- [01:47:26] <@NeoZEROX> Only people Alice care about is dead, Alice just sick everything she done and wants things to end.
- [01:48:24] <DSS> Does she join him or not/
- [01:50:54] <DSS> Also what is Coatl's reason for killing Ragnarok?
- [01:52:06] <@NeoZEROX> I'm having Alice join Zane and Ryuu, Coatl not really part their group and just set things in motions, in part his game he wants Ragnarok and Eris dead at same time and just set back and watch chaos begins, while having his army of manikins as a gift for his work. After two gods die he doesn't care what happen he hoping big three will give him a great show to watch.
- [01:54:16] <DSS> Akito would probably thank him for getting rid of a few gods
- [01:55:01] <DSS> this happens in cycle 12 or 13?
- [01:55:12] <@NeoZEROX> 13th
- [01:55:27] <@NeoZEROX> Is the beginning of end
- [01:56:38] <DSS> yeah, by that point Noelle just wants it to end too, but she's probably too distraught to make any semblance of rational decision regarding who she joins or doesn't join
- [01:57:12] <Eight-bit> hmmm
- [01:57:16] <Eight-bit> wonder if I want 8 in there
- [01:57:54] <@NeoZEROX> After that each hero slain their WoM rivals leading up Azazel slanging and taking Genesis power
- [01:58:08] <DSS> 'slanging'?
- [01:58:30] <@NeoZEROX> slaining or however you fucking spell it
- [01:58:49] <DSS> As a DLC character, isn't he dead by then?
- [01:58:59] <@NeoZEROX> Azazel is 0
- [01:59:10] <@NeoZEROX> Or he inside him
- [01:59:20] <@NeoZEROX> Azazel is what makes 0 immortal
- [01:59:31] <@NeoZEROX> Without him 0 will die
- [01:59:39] <DSS> yeah but all DLC characters die in cycle 12 or 11 or whichever it is
- [01:59:44] <Cluna> Something's wrong with the editing! Everything I click on something the clicky just scrolls down until it reaches the very bottom!
- [02:00:00] <Cluna> Well, now it works!
- [02:00:19] <Cluna> I just had to completely leave the window!
- [02:00:33] <@NeoZEROX> Just because DLC doesn't make it they die
- [02:00:57] <DSS> then what, we can have whoever we want in cycle 13?
- [02:01:08] <@NeoZEROX> No it doesn't
- [02:01:20] <DSS> Then pick
- [02:01:34] <DSS> I'm sick of the special rules
- [02:01:39] <@NeoZEROX> Azazel is main a alternate moveset for 0, they are different but share same body
- [02:02:11] <@NeoZEROX> Azazel is mainly boss in story mode, so 0 can actually die
- [02:05:51] <Eight-bit> is 13th cycle gonna go
- [02:06:12] <Eight-bit> WoM kill Ragnarok -> WoT kill respective WoM -> WoT kill Eris -> WoT kill Helel?
- [02:07:15] <@NeoZEROX> The only reason the only reason Azazel even play part in 13th story is he is the Elknin inside 0 what keeps him alive, no matter how hard to WoT try they can't kill 0 without kill Azazel. Azazel was mainly create so 0 as weakness to die.
- [02:07:24] <DSS> NeoZEROX: would it be possible for that boss fight to happen at the same time the rest of DLC characters die just for consistency's sake
- [02:07:34] <DSS> will 0 survive that long without Azazel?
- [02:07:41] <@NeoZEROX> No
- [02:07:48] <DSS> well why the hell not
- [02:07:54] <@NeoZEROX> Old age will catch up to him and kill him
- [02:07:55] <DSS> I'm trying to meet you in the middle here
- [02:07:59] <@NeoZEROX> He is 500 years old
- [02:08:54] <@NeoZEROX> And Azazel is like a parasite in 0
- [02:09:52] <@NeoZEROX> Only reason I create a moveset for Azazel is to be offense version of 0
- [02:11:09] <DSS> maybe you should move him to a special boss category
- [02:13:49] <Eight-bit> is Azazel like a entire WoT boss fight or is it just Azur :?
- [02:14:02] <@NeoZEROX> WoT Boss
- [02:14:03] <Eight-bit> Also is he Azur and not Jarek now
- [02:14:08] <Eight-bit> i am confuse
- [02:15:16] <Cluna> It's his nickname.
- [02:15:34] <@NeoZEROX> He also work as a fake out final boss, if player decide no have WoM killed by their rival. But that just non-cannon stuff I add for lulz
- [02:17:18] <@NeoZEROX> Again, he DLC because we crossline on who in main roster.
- [02:17:21] <DSS> so like, you're thinking of this like an actual story mode
- [02:17:49] <DSS> crossline?
- [02:18:01] <@NeoZEROX> Cross the line
- [02:18:12] <DSS> so put him in a boss category
- [02:18:13] <@NeoZEROX> On the main roster
- [02:18:22] <DSS> we need to redo the categories anyways
- [02:18:26] <DSS> that seems like a perfect fit
- [02:20:43] <@NeoZEROX> You mean like in the quotes?
- [02:20:56] <DSS> Yes
- [02:21:10] <DSS> also the actual categories when we do them
- [02:21:37] <@NeoZEROX> That like giving two spots for him in the quotes
- [02:22:10] <@NeoZEROX> And bosses just set up as Gods and I don't see him as a god
- [02:22:24] <@NeoZEROX> He doesn't work for Helel and he like a rouge
- [02:23:49] <Eight-bit> wouldn't we just transfer his DLC quote to boss section>
- [02:24:26] <@NeoZEROX> Wont take away his being a DLC character right?
- [02:25:46] <DSS> no
- [02:25:57] <@NeoZEROX> Okay then
- [02:25:59] <DSS> but being a boss character takes precedence over being a dlc character
- [02:26:11] <DSS> being a boss is more important than just being playable, right?
- [02:26:33] <@NeoZEROX> Well in main game he is just a boss so yeah
- [02:26:51] <DSS> okay then
- [02:29:54] <DSS> Who else are boss characters that aren't gods?
- [02:31:44] <DSS> actually wait, the mor important question is
- [02:31:52] <@NeoZEROX> That what Infinity mods are
- [02:32:01] <@NeoZEROX> Modes
- [02:32:10] <DSS> I am so confused right now
- [02:32:48] <@NeoZEROX> >>
- [02:33:31] <Eight-bit> what is your question?
- [02:38:22] <DSS> are we writing the story like it's a stand alone fic, or like it's the story mode in this game/
- [02:41:02] <@NeoZEROX> It whatever you guys wanna do.
- [02:41:28] <@NeoZEROX> I kinda wanna talk about are plans in story, I told you mine least on villains what about you two?
- [02:42:12] <Eight-bit> I don't understand the second thing
- [02:42:18] <Eight-bit> "story mode in this game"
- [02:42:45] <DSS> the mention of bosses sort of insinuates that at the very least zero is seeing this as a story mode
- [02:43:31] <@NeoZEROX> game stuff just for fun when comes to story I write like it actually a story
- [02:44:37] <DSS> you gotta make that clear then, I'm so confused with the boss mentions and the infinity modes stuff
- [02:45:11] <Eight-bit> I think Infinity Modes were like out of story mode things
- [02:45:16] <Eight-bit> like optional challanges
- [02:46:33] <DSS> anyways, to answer your question Zero, I don't really have plans right now, at least not until we figure out who is summoned when
- [02:47:00] <DSS> then it's easier to decide who can interact with who because there will be a set number of summoned warriors for that cycle
- [02:49:30] <@NeoZEROX> Are we just talking about main 12th and 13th cycle?
- [02:49:41] <@NeoZEROX> Who we know is in this cycles
- [02:50:54] <DSS> oh, right
- [02:51:47] <DSS> well I pretty much have an idea for the UA guys, Noelle is set, and I can figure out something for the AB characters
- [02:51:57] <DSS> Just need to figure out Jessie, and more importantly, Akito
- [02:52:17] <DSS> What do April and 0 do in these cycles?
- [02:54:23] <@NeoZEROX> 0 working his way to be god of this world and take control of war himself, and maybe all the world turning them all into ruin world of suffering.
- [02:56:00] <@NeoZEROX> Kinda sure 0 and Akito would end up as enemies on final acts of 13th cycle
- [02:56:05] <Eight-bit> http://dissidiacalamitasinfinita.wikia.com/wiki/April
- [02:56:18] <Eight-bit> It's not all full yet....
- [02:56:34] <Eight-bit> What I have is the ending of the cycle, after what's written I assume Cynthia kills her
- [02:57:53] <@NeoZEROX> I do remember something we talking 0 trying to obtain crystals in KoS and Twilight Crystal to increase his power even more, so April and I think Gin work for him.
- [03:01:48] <DSS> are the antagonists all killed by their respective protagonist in the 13th, or no/
- [03:01:49] <DSS> ?
- [03:02:29] <@NeoZEROX> Yes
- [03:02:55] <@NeoZEROX> Well there might be few who don't after their battle
- [03:04:20] <Eight-bit> oh, like Cecil/Golbez style?
- [03:04:46] <@NeoZEROX> Kasumi can't kill Ryuu no matter how much he beg for him to finish her, but instead what happen Ryuu push her aside to save her from Coatl killing him and she see Ryuu die by hands of a mad man.
- [03:05:07] <@NeoZEROX> *her to finish him
- [03:05:08] <Eight-bit> I think I would like Ragnarok's demise to be non Coatl related
- [03:05:17] <Eight-bit> since he is already involved in a lot of other things
- [03:05:26] <Eight-bit> of course you're the only one with an idea so far
- [03:05:35] <Eight-bit> so it's what we have :P
- [03:05:43] <@NeoZEROX> No one else is thinking of them
- [03:06:19] <@NeoZEROX> Here I have two plot punish villains.
- [03:06:32] <DSS> I wasn't aware that they ragnarok and eris had to die >>
- [03:06:56] <@NeoZEROX> Why not?
- [03:07:23] <@NeoZEROX> Ragnarok uses his warriors like pawns and Eris is lead god of the WoM
- [03:07:27] <@NeoZEROX> *goddess
- [03:09:39] <Eight-bit> A lot of character interaction in earlier cycles revolves around warriors not wanting to be loyal to Ragnarok or Eris, so it would be nice to see that arc completed
- [03:09:58] <Eight-bit> Also it would probably set off the higher gods and be a reason to confront them
- [03:10:07] <Eight-bit> Helel is the "final boss" of main storyline, yes?
- [03:12:11] <@NeoZEROX> Yeah
- [03:13:06] <DSS> So, are Ragnarok and Eris dead sometime in the 13th?
- [03:13:36] <DSS> I have an idea
- [03:13:52] <@NeoZEROX> With Ragnarok and Eris killed, Genesis has come in and clean things up, however 0 step in to kill and take Genesis power, and after that he believe he now god of the world
- [03:13:57] <@NeoZEROX> What is it?
- [03:14:42] <DSS> If those two are dead, then the concept of WoT and WoM are effectively dead too, right?
- [03:14:50] <Eight-bit> SilverCrono: you trash mob, Gin doesnt have updated quotes
- [03:15:20] <@NeoZEROX> Pretty much
- [03:15:32] <@NeoZEROX> That means villain are all do their own thing
- [03:16:21] <DSS> okay okay this gives me a really interesting idea for Akito
- [03:16:32] <DSS> leading from what you said about 0
- [03:16:45] <@NeoZEROX> Lets hear it
- [03:16:49] <DSS> [02:54] <@NeoZEROX> 0 working his way to be god of this world and take control of war himself, and maybe all the world turning them all into ruin world of suffering.
- [03:17:09] <DSS> Assume for a moment, that Akito learns/knows of this plan, and goes to stop him
- [03:17:32] <DSS> Where do Rain and Jarek fit into this, timeline-wise?
- [03:18:05] <DSS> could they be....possibly dead by then?
- [03:18:28] <@NeoZEROX> Not really, I see all 13 WoT reaching to Helel
- [03:19:16] <@NeoZEROX> It what keeps them strong compare to villains while they break up and do their own things heroes stay together finishing the war
- [03:19:48] <DSS> So then...Rain and Jarek have their fight with Akito and 0 but Akito and 0 survive?
- [03:20:35] <@NeoZEROX> 0 does survive his but it because he can't die
- [03:20:50] <DSS> Akito might be interested in joining the heroes to kill Helel but
- [03:21:01] <DSS> maybe he stays behind to try and stop 0
- [03:21:15] <@NeoZEROX> Or Azazel now
- [03:21:41] <@NeoZEROX> If Akito want kill 0 he needs kill Azazel
- [03:21:58] <Eight-bit> ooh cool
- [03:22:12] <@NeoZEROX> And that kinda fitting as they not have Genesis power.
- [03:22:18] <Eight-bit> this makes me want to keep April on longer <<
- [03:22:50] <@NeoZEROX> But Azazel doesn't get Genesis immortally so Akito can still kill Azazel
- [03:22:51] <Eight-bit> she'll probably be the last WoM to stay a "WoM" and die, I guess? wait no, that has to be coatl i think
- [03:23:10] <@NeoZEROX> I can see Rain and Cynthia sparing their lives
- [03:23:31] <@NeoZEROX> Because they both same in their own ways
- [03:23:44] <DSS> I see this turning into a bonus 14th cycle >>
- [03:23:57] <DSS> effectively, as some but not all of the WoM are killed off
- [03:24:02] <@NeoZEROX> Bonus cycle involve with Ama
- [03:24:25] <@NeoZEROX> So would Noelle live or die?
- [03:24:31] <DSS> Die
- [03:24:43] <Eight-bit> mm, would still be the same cycle since Ragnarok and Eris would be dead. The landscape has shifted too much
- [03:25:03] <@NeoZEROX> Then about with Alice and Jessie?
- [03:25:15] <DSS> yeah it would be technically, just saying it would feel like a different cycle since we have characters dying off
- [03:25:34] <DSS> i dunno
- [03:25:48] <DSS> Not all of the WoM are going to survive their final battle, right?
- [03:25:53] <@NeoZEROX> Alice would be in blood lust mode or her other side.
- [03:25:55] <DSS> That would be kind of anticlimactic >>
- [03:26:09] <@NeoZEROX> Well Ryuu dies
- [03:26:16] <@NeoZEROX> By Coatl but still dies
- [03:26:39] <@NeoZEROX> Ryuu, Zane and Alice going go berserk as they could join but they far long gone.
- [03:26:52] <DSS> So those three die?
- [03:27:33] <@NeoZEROX> Alice has chance to life if Jessie choose too but gain Coatl killing her wont do anything to piss off Jessie.
- [03:28:09] <@NeoZEROX> Alice might want die feeling she cause too much damage to join them
- [03:28:23] <DSS> So Jessie could choose to spare Alice, but what was that second part about Coatl?
- [03:29:00] <@NeoZEROX> Main reason Coatl kills Ryuu and Zane is that set off switch for Clair and Kasumi
- [03:29:16] <@NeoZEROX> But Alice and Jessie don't have connection like those two
- [03:29:23] <DSS> oh, right
- [03:30:28] <DSS> I'm kind of leaning towards Jessie wanting to kill her <<
- [03:30:30] <@NeoZEROX> Alice has lost Fiora and Max and see what she did only mad things worst pretty much breaks her so if Jessie calms down Alice form her other self she can be spare.
- [03:30:51] <@NeoZEROX> I think I'm fine if Alice ask her to kill her.
- [03:32:06] <DSS> Jessie might want to kill her anyways
- [03:33:01] <DSS> Someone's gotta get betrayed in the final cycle
- [03:33:40] <@NeoZEROX> And not have Coatl kill steal three times?
- [03:34:03] <DSS> I mean, Jessie wouldn't do it because Alice asked her too, she'd do it because Alice killed Max and possibly Alix and Lili
- [03:34:20] <DSS> These two dont like each other remember? >>
- [03:34:52] <@NeoZEROX> Yeah I know.
- [03:35:16] <@NeoZEROX> Jessie not like Kasumi and Clair who can't kill their's
- [03:35:39] <@NeoZEROX> And bad things would happen if Clair does kill Zane.
- [03:36:37] <DSS> like what?
- [03:36:59] <@NeoZEROX> Can't say, EoD Spoilers. ;)
- [03:37:40] <DSS> then don't tease like that >>
- [03:37:56] <DSS> Do bonus characters survive to the 13th or do they die in the 12th
- [03:38:04] <Eight-bit> They all die in the 12th.
- [03:39:05] <@NeoZEROX> Pretty much during the first attempt to kill Genesis
- [03:39:34] <DSS> but not all of them go after Genesis, right/
- [03:40:31] <Eight-bit> Correct. Yuan kills Nelo, Noelle kills Hale, etc.
- [03:40:41] <@NeoZEROX> Well Ike and Nex kill eachother, Scarlet actually help Genesis so Clair and Zane can be brought back and cause them to lose, and Coatl kills Selena and LK
- [03:41:21] <DSS> and Richter initiates Seike's self-destruct sequence
- [03:41:46] <@NeoZEROX> And I'm going saying Coatl really working for Genesis so he can have manikin army
- [03:43:09] <DSS> http://dissidiacalamitasinfinita.wikia.com/wiki/User:Deadlyslashsword/Sandbox3 my end of the bargain is fulfilled
- [03:43:33] <@NeoZEROX> Well then
- [03:44:09] <Eight-bit> oh cool
- [03:44:09] <@NeoZEROX> Okay so if Warth get one then I will do Gluttony
- [03:44:24] <@NeoZEROX> And Warth is one I like to see. >>
- [03:45:42] <Cluna> Hmmmm....
- [03:46:00] <Cluna> If I can come up with a moveset for him...
- [03:46:36] <@NeoZEROX> And because relate to what you show use DSS, Mother works with Genesis and there for CoS will work for her. I actually can thought of something
- [03:47:49] <@NeoZEROX> CoS might be like assassin if Genesis and Mother find a warrior causing some problems they could sense one to kill them.
- [03:48:15] <DSS> you wanna put mother in the boss category with azazel then?
- [03:48:26] <@NeoZEROX> Mother dies in 11th cycle
- [03:48:38] <@NeoZEROX> She wont be in main game
- [03:49:10] <@NeoZEROX> April is one that actually kills her but Mother does summon in Cynthia at end of 11th by her.
- [03:51:37] <@NeoZEROX> It was a special gift she obtain from Genesis to summon one warrior in, Mother try summon Cynthia from TC2 but instead she got one from first TC. And Genesis actually has say which one be summon and not wanting strong version be brought in.
- [03:52:50] <DSS> this next question is one of categorization, and not one of story or gameplay. If she's not in the main game, why is she in the DLC section?
- [03:53:16] <@NeoZEROX> Because she DLC
- [03:53:48] <@NeoZEROX> Main game only focus on 12th and 13th
- [03:56:10] <DSS> it's getting to be that time where my brain doesn't want to comprehend stuff anymore
- [03:57:48] <@NeoZEROX> we're going out subject now and I want ask you something about 13th cycle
- [03:58:09] <Eight-bit> look at my shiny quotes instead o uo/ http://dissidiacalamitasinfinita.wikia.com/wiki/Noa_Lentic#Default_Specific
- [03:58:30] <Eight-bit> Boss section should be reserved for Gods/bosses in 13th cycle imo
- [03:58:35] <@NeoZEROX> I like know about Insiminy role and how she dies, she could do just much pushing as Coatl.
- [03:59:12] <Eight-bit> I took a leaf from Inohime o uo
- [04:00:54] <Eight-bit> oops I'm not consistent with us/me
- [04:00:55] <Eight-bit> fixing
- [04:01:01] <Cluna> Prayers!
- [04:01:54] <Eight-bit> and I used perils twice @_@
- [04:02:00] <Eight-bit> see any other repetition?
- [04:02:05] <Eight-bit> or errors
- [04:03:15] <@NeoZEROX> Huh that creative, I like see what you do for DLC
- [04:03:20] <DSS> guaah
- [04:03:29] <@NeoZEROX> .-.
- [04:03:35] <Eight-bit> Also keep in mind Noa is rather impressionable and rigid in belief, so what he thinks about some characters may be too charitable/too unempathetic towards WoM
- [04:03:39] <DSS> if only I had copywrighted inohimes quote structure
- [04:03:50] <Eight-bit> .-.
- [04:03:55] <DSS> jklol
- [04:03:58] <Eight-bit> you no like ; ;?
- [04:04:08] <DSS> I like
- [04:04:14] <Eight-bit> oh ok <3
- [04:04:29] <Eight-bit> oh speaking of, can you at your leisure change Nelo and 8's quotes for Inohime?
- [04:04:36] <Eight-bit> or slightly tune them
- [04:04:54] <Cluna> On a somewhat unrelated not. Well, whenever you guys get a chance. http://dissidiacalamitasinfinita.wikia.com/wiki/User:Krystal_Tomlin/Alt_Costume_List
- [04:04:54] <Eight-bit> because they swapped positions, so the EoS cadence is off
- [04:05:11] <Eight-bit> you guys added so much to this alts page .-.
- [04:05:24] <DSS> that's no fault of mine
- [04:05:27] <Cluna> Note that anyone is welcome to add their own game series section as well as their characters or costumes.
- [04:05:44] <Eight-bit> dat League section >:D
- [04:05:50] <Cluna> And I did most of the adding. ^^
- [04:06:00] <Cluna> Because I AM BORED!
- [04:06:15] <Cluna> Sorry. Got it from Sherlock. >>
- [04:06:15] <Eight-bit> well no, just pointing out that the flow of order isn't there
- [04:07:05] <DSS> i really don't know enough about EoS to fix it >>
- [04:08:33] <Eight-bit> The spine of each quote is still very appropriate. It's just an order sort of thing. Like perhaps just "The weak always need a hand offered. Give me yours" into "Else you burn away to ashes."
- [04:09:43] <Eight-bit> and EoS!Yuan is fine as it is.
- [04:20:24] <Eight-bit> sorry, I hope you don't leave it blank >>;
- [04:27:14] <DSS> I won't
- [04:27:25] <DSS> Just until i can come up wiht something more appropriate >>
- [04:27:36] <DSS> I am tired as shiet rn =_=
- [04:30:14] <Eight-bit> okies. hope you're okay with the similarity of structure too. I still really like Inohime's quotes because each story has its own unifying narrative, whereas Noa's is more repetitive within each class of character.
- [04:30:59] <DSS> Initially i thought his quotes were repetitive, but then i read them a second time and realized the genius of what you had done
- [04:32:42] <Eight-bit> I was so confused when I initially read Inohime's quotes lol
- [04:33:13] <Eight-bit> But that moment when I realized how to read them was beautiful
- [04:37:13] <Eight-bit> who is off work tomorrow?
- [04:37:42] <@NeoZEROX> Yo
- [04:38:38] <DSS> not I
- [04:40:53] <Eight-bit> okies. I'll probably be on latish, but not as late as today
- [04:41:14] <Eight-bit> nice story talk :] nait
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- [04:51:49] <@NeoZEROX> DSS you haven't answer my question about Inismsiny in 13th cycle
- [04:52:23] <DSS> I haven't thought of it yet
- [04:52:57] <@NeoZEROX> Ah
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- [05:17:04] <@NeoZEROX> Cluna if you want add anymore lol champs ones i didn't add go a head
- [05:17:18] <Cluna> k
- [05:17:21] <Cluna> ^^\
- [05:17:23] <Cluna> ^^
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- [14:17:12] <Eight-bit> ohi
- [14:21:19] <@NeoZEROX> 8bit!'
- [14:23:45] <@SilverCrono> ohi
- [14:24:32] <Eight-bit> haiii crono
- [14:24:41] <Eight-bit> YOU DIDN'T POP IN LAST NIGHT JERK
- [14:32:11] <@SilverCrono> i was watching toonami D:
- [14:32:21] <@SilverCrono> reading the logs now tho
- [14:33:16] <@NeoZEROX> I watch Toonami and still was part dicussion
- [14:41:28] <@SilverCrono> my parents took the living room tv so i had to be in the back and watc hit
- [14:41:35] <@SilverCrono> and i dont get wifi in the back so my laptop was without me :C
- [14:41:56] <@SilverCrono> but regarding the discussion. wheee story stuff
- [14:42:14] <@SilverCrono> i know i want crono to kill gin
- [14:42:28] <@SilverCrono> uhhhh idk much about victor/oavyce's role just yet. hrgh
- [14:44:39] <@NeoZEROX> Is Gin working with 0 still a thing?
- [14:46:44] <@SilverCrono> yeah
- [14:46:58] <@SilverCrono> Eight-bit: dem noa quotes
- [14:47:13] <@SilverCrono> ghugwesdukjxcn
- [14:49:54] <@NeoZEROX> I'm kinda wonder what kind of villain oavyce will be
- [14:52:17] <Eight-bit> SilverCrono: <3
- [14:53:01] <@SilverCrono> most of oavyce's story is already written
- [14:53:04] <@SilverCrono> just not the 13th cycle
- [14:54:47] <Eight-bit> Oavyce is bamf :]
- [14:55:15] <@SilverCrono> aww yee
- [14:56:50] <Eight-bit> I was thinking maybe only the "big 3" go on to survive past the deaths of Ragnarok and Eris
- [14:57:28] <@SilverCrono> akito, 0, and april?
- [14:58:17] <@NeoZEROX> That kinda different what I was thinking I figure two gods die first then most the WoM leaving big three
- [14:58:19] <@SilverCrono> speaking of 0 i wanted to do something with weslei's story and iocus/0
- [14:58:28] <@SilverCrono> but alas arma is not here to negotiate :/
- [14:58:48] <Eight-bit> oh gods first?
- [14:58:52] <Eight-bit> that's fine too
- [14:58:59] <@SilverCrono> if we're doing gods first i can edit oavyce's story accordingly
- [15:01:54] <@SilverCrono> *updates gins page*
- [15:02:07] <@NeoZEROX> The two gods need die first so Genesis would come in.
- [15:02:50] <@NeoZEROX> Once 0 kills Genesis and actually become a powerful as one gods that when Helel step in.
- [15:03:42] <@SilverCrono> im assuming genesis is only able to be killed because he had been repeatedly attacked for the 11th and 12th cycles
- [15:03:55] <@SilverCrono> er, 10th, as well
- [15:04:06] <@NeoZEROX> That and 0 can't die
- [15:04:07] <@SilverCrono> ...lol it actually starts at the 9th
- [15:18:21] <Eight-bit> yeee, avec's group attacks him in 12
- [15:18:28] <Eight-bit> so his existence is well known in 13 i think
- [15:22:06] <@SilverCrono> taarin and liam suicide attack him (9th) -> vainia's group suicide attack him (10th) -> azazel duels him (11th) -> Klaytaza attacks him when weakened and steals some power, using it to attack the gods, but dies (also 11th)
- [15:22:26] <@SilverCrono> then avec's group attack him in the 12th
- [15:23:45] <Eight-bit> damn taht kid is resilient
- [15:24:32] <Eight-bit> Neo, did you really want Coatl to convince people to attack Ragnarok in the 13th?
- [15:24:40] <Eight-bit> or just an idea you had cause no one else had ideas :P
- [15:25:38] <@NeoZEROX> Well still like anti-villains kill him but someone needs push them to do so.
- [15:26:06] <@SilverCrono> somebody besides coatl has to have some influence on the plot >_>
- [15:26:44] <Eight-bit> Should it be an anti-villain that comes up with the plot or someone outside?
- [15:26:49] <@NeoZEROX> 0 and Coatl are both plot pushers.
- [15:26:51] <Eight-bit> Who has the most bitter relationship with Ragnarok?
- [15:27:30] <Eight-bit> or reason to hate him?
- [15:29:07] <Eight-bit> I don't think 8 or April would do something like that... then again I haven't developed 8 very well
- [15:29:10] <Eight-bit> in DCI
- [15:29:29] <@NeoZEROX> 0/Azazel is because they want his power.
- [15:29:56] <@NeoZEROX> But he waiting for himself to appear and need be more powerful to do so
- [15:30:27] <@SilverCrono> i already had oavyce slated for attacking ragnarok
- [15:30:44] <@SilverCrono> perhaps he and someone else (or just himself) causes this push to attack him?
- [15:31:18] <@NeoZEROX> I had, Ryuu, Zane and Alice doing same thing
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- [15:32:34] <Cluna> Heya
- [15:32:38] <@NeoZEROX> Honey!
- [15:32:46] <Cluna> :D
- [15:33:20] <@SilverCrono> hi
- [15:35:37] <Eight-bit> hi cluna
- [15:35:45] <Eight-bit> I like the idea of the anti-villains kilkling ragnarok
- [15:35:57] <@SilverCrono> ^
- [15:35:59] <Eight-bit> Oavyce/Ryuu/Zane/Alice seem like an appropriate group
- [15:36:04] <@SilverCrono> yee
- [15:36:38] <@NeoZEROX> Noelle could be there too
- [15:36:57] <@NeoZEROX> Not like she has anything else to do.
- [15:37:27] <Eight-bit> so this is the real frist big thing happenign in 13 yes?
- [15:38:14] <Eight-bit> also who is kiling Eris ._.
- [15:38:31] <@NeoZEROX> The whole group of WoT?
- [15:39:05] <@SilverCrono> maybe said anti-villains could do that, too
- [15:39:19] <@SilverCrono> or maybe ragnarok could get wind of the plot to kill him and order some WoT to kill eris first
- [15:39:38] <@SilverCrono> and both gods die
- [15:40:03] <@NeoZEROX> And then villains bonds is broken and go with their own plans
- [15:40:20] <@NeoZEROX> And Coatl just watch the show.
- [15:41:06] <@SilverCrono> coo'
- [15:44:14] <Eight-bit> I'd like to have the anti-villains interact with 8 before they go kill ragnarok
- [15:44:36] <Eight-bit> there's a lot of peopel that aren't loyal to their god lol
- [15:45:11] <Eight-bit> I have 8 more on the loyal to Eris side, if only because he doesn't want to return to his world
- [15:45:55] <@SilverCrono> thats k
- [15:46:02] <@SilverCrono> what would he have to say?
- [15:47:11] <@SilverCrono> (gin update'd)
- [15:47:49] <@NeoZEROX> There any of WoT still loyal to Ragnarok
- [15:50:32] <Eight-bit> I think he would remind them that they're risking their necks for a gambit that would get them deleted from the cycles should they fail
- [15:51:05] <Eight-bit> And that they're going to kill Ragnarok for what? The chance to go back to their own world? Worlds that rejected them?
- [15:52:14] <@NeoZEROX> I kinda see like 8 telling them this like a group meting to something
- [15:52:49] <@NeoZEROX> This is 8 right?
- [15:53:49] <Cluna> You know, all this time with my family and we haven't even gone anywhere!
- [15:54:00] <Cluna> Well, except Chinese dinner.
- [15:54:28] <Eight-bit> yeah, it is 8
- [15:54:42] <@NeoZEROX> Least you spend a lot time with me right?
- [15:54:59] <Eight-bit> 8's just afraid of going back to the world of EoS. He wants to be reincarnated over and over, it gives him the illusion of immortality
- [15:55:42] <Eight-bit> So he'll do anything to ensure he's in the good graces of the gods and won't suffer the same fate as all those who haven't been revived.
- [15:56:02] <Eight-bit> I think the most terrible death possible for 8 would be for Oavyce to smother him with dark magic ._.
- [15:56:08] <Eight-bit> gonna read Gin's page now :]
- [15:56:17] <@NeoZEROX> Even though 0 is try replace the gods
- [15:56:46] <@NeoZEROX> 0 goal trying make all worlds, deathless lands of pain
- [15:57:04] <@NeoZEROX> Is 8 smart enough not to trust 0?
- [15:57:35] <Eight-bit> Yeah. He doesn't want any regime change. And he knows 0 has his own motives.
- [15:58:14] <Eight-bit> It is mildly ironic that 8 supports a static order and thus is loyal to a god that personifies chaos >>
- [15:59:40] <@NeoZEROX> Coatl actually same way, he doens't war end because his game would be other, only thing he wasn't planing on is 0/Azazl actually killing Genesis
- [16:00:48] <@NeoZEROX> All Coatl knows is if Genesis is still alive war will keep going, he just got bored of same two gods calling shots and likes see some more chaos.
- [16:02:14] <Eight-bit> omg Gin
- [16:02:23] <Eight-bit> so heart-wrenching ; ;
- [16:02:36] <Eight-bit> [heart actually wrenched out by Gin]
- [16:03:38] <@NeoZEROX> So is there order you guys see WoM fighting their rival and dying?
- [16:03:48] <Eight-bit> brb, then will throw in 8's cycle 13 stuff
- [16:03:51] <@NeoZEROX> I'm going guess big three will be last
- [16:16:29] <Eight-bit> bak
- [16:25:23] <@NeoZEROX> wb
- [16:26:03] <@NeoZEROX> I can see 0 asking 8 why he wants immortality
- [16:26:25] <@NeoZEROX> 0 like on other when where he has it but things it a curse and wish to be free from it
- [16:26:30] <@NeoZEROX> *end
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- [16:33:54] <@SilverCrono> [15:56:02] <Eight-bit> I think the most terrible death possible for 8 would be for Oavyce to smother him with dark magic ._.
- [16:34:12] <@SilverCrono> which is, i think, why the WoM continue on to fight ragnarok
- [16:34:32] <@SilverCrono> bc otherwise i imagine 8 would intervene with force?
- [16:47:43] <@SilverCrono> updated oavyce's story, now off to work
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- [17:40:08] <Eight-bit> hey again
- [17:40:14] <@NeoZEROX> wb
- [17:40:17] <Eight-bit> sorry, had to close everything else for ffxiv dungeon,w as laggy
- [17:40:24] <Eight-bit> I beat T9 though! :F
- [17:40:25] <Eight-bit> :D
- [17:40:35] <Eight-bit> which means I can access the 4 hardest raids in the game
- [17:42:24] <@NeoZEROX> Oh sweet
- [17:42:46] <Eight-bit> I killed the rest of my party three time cause I had lag <,
- [17:45:56] <@NeoZEROX> Never trust a shady black mage
- [17:46:06] <Eight-bit> ahahah
- [17:46:31] <Eight-bit> so in T9, the last phase, you have to run towards and away from the boss because 3 dreagons are shooting elemental bullets at you
- [17:46:46] <Eight-bit> and then random people get a divebomb marker above their head and have to run to the edges of the arena
- [17:47:00] <Eight-bit> And if they don't the dragons sweep through the entire arena and kill everyone :D
- [17:47:44] <@NeoZEROX> That how the party dies?
- [17:49:22] <Eight-bit> that's one of many ways the party can die lol
- [17:49:38] <Eight-bit> but it's in the last phase, so if you die there it's annoying because you ahve to go through the entire rest of the fight again <<
- [17:49:44] <Eight-bit> oo i like Oavyce's new cycle 13.,
- [17:50:50] <@NeoZEROX> So 8bit, what order you see
- [17:51:05] <@NeoZEROX> *WoM dying/ having their rival fight
- [17:51:11] <@NeoZEROX> Fucking enter key
- [17:51:56] <Eight-bit> It looks like Oavyce might be one of the first to go, since he kills himself when Helel and Genesis appear
- [17:52:15] <Eight-bit> oh 8 will be before that though. He's going to die either right before or right after Eris dies.
- [17:53:02] <Eight-bit> I imagine that of the three to die last
- [17:53:24] <Eight-bit> possibly Akito is last because DSS said he wanted him to help the WoT defeat Genesis
- [17:53:57] <@NeoZEROX> So Oavyce then 8, I think Noelle might be next, I remember DSS said she comment suicide
- [17:54:22] <@NeoZEROX> It would be Akito and 0/Azazel being last, as Genesis dies by 0's hands
- [17:56:06] <Eight-bit> So April is 3 last then
- [17:56:34] <Eight-bit> I imagine Ryuu, Alice,, and Zane might die quickly after Eris does
- [17:56:39] <Eight-bit> because they kills Ragnarok
- [17:57:59] <Eight-bit> I think we should iron out who kilsl Eris then
- [17:58:01] <Eight-bit> kills
- [17:58:04] <@NeoZEROX> Ryuu and Zane would have thier fights with their love ones because Ryuu cause he almost wants to die because virus has corrupt him too much, Coatl kills them both after their fight
- [17:58:16] <Eight-bit> Looks like we got Ragnarok's death down, and Crono cemented it on Oavyce's page, which is nice
- [17:58:17] <@NeoZEROX> Alice would right after
- [17:58:40] <@NeoZEROX> Well I like whole WoT to defeat her
- [17:59:00] <@NeoZEROX> Cynthia pretty much works hard to trying bring group together
- [17:59:11] <Eight-bit> Hey, can I put the story tabber code on your sandbox?
- [17:59:23] <@NeoZEROX> If you want sure
- [18:02:24] <@NeoZEROX> I'm guessing Gin, Coatl and Insiminy would be few last right before April
- [18:03:01] <Eight-bit> yeah, sounds right
- [18:03:18] <Eight-bit> that leaves Richter
- [18:03:21] <Eight-bit> but idk what he does
- [18:03:27] <@NeoZEROX> In the middle I guess
- [18:05:43] <Eight-bit> So (Oayvce/8) -> (Noelle/Ryuu/Alice/Zane) -> (Richter?) -> (Coatl/Insiminy/Gin) -> April -> (0/Akito)
- [18:06:35] <@NeoZEROX> Sound good
- [18:09:30] <@NeoZEROX> I actually see how Coatl gonna dies now, when comes to his time someone could told him 0 being powerful enough to killing Genesis, Coatl start losing his cool and WoT are coming closer to him, his plans are going right and he has little time think up a back up plan, so he tries get rid of WoT so he can go stop 0 but because he losing his cool and panicking leads to his death by Deryk
- [18:11:01] <Eight-bit> It would be interesting to see a Coatl actually in panic mode and not smug
- [18:11:10] <Eight-bit> He'd probably be swearing constantly XD
- [18:11:46] <@NeoZEROX> Most likely
- [18:14:32] <@NeoZEROX> At end he'll be slice in half by Deryk
- [18:15:22] <Eight-bit> Will he keep speaking afterwards?
- [18:15:38] <Eight-bit> As a snake is wont to struggle, even if its head be parted from its body?
- [18:17:34] <@NeoZEROX> He'll make his final insults to Deryk, mocking him saying he enjoy killed everyone his friends and just wish he had time to torment his new female friends, and laugh until his dead.
- [18:21:31] <Eight-bit> sounds about right lol
- [18:21:47] <Eight-bit> How is Deryk going to react during this time
- [18:21:51] <Eight-bit> Cluna?
- [18:21:53] <@NeoZEROX> Cluna
- [18:23:32] <Cluna> Oh!
- [18:23:54] <Cluna> He'll viciously kill him! >:D
- [18:24:14] <Cluna> He'll chop off his head to make sure he stays dead! >:D
- [18:24:37] <@NeoZEROX> Would girls need come in and calm him down?
- [18:24:45] <Cluna> Probably.
- [18:24:56] <Eight-bit> rofl cluna your response is amazing
- [18:25:53] <Cluna> :3
- [18:26:18] <@NeoZEROX> We need get her new laptop so we can play XIV and hear her going berserk
- [18:36:00] <Eight-bit> hm I'm not sure how I want April to die....
- [18:36:37] <Eight-bit> and I didn't write down in cycle 13 yet what happens when Cynthia meets her
- [18:36:41] <Eight-bit> so I forgot a lot of it <,
- [18:37:24] <@NeoZEROX> Something about using Kasumi, maybe Clair now being newest member
- [18:52:00] <Eight-bit> oh, so April possesses Cynthia and is about to take her power for her own
- [18:52:04] <Eight-bit> to make the twilight crystal
- [18:52:10] <Eight-bit> then kasumi and clair intervene?
- [18:53:05] <@NeoZEROX> I think she use them get closer to Cynthia because she fail do so in last Cycle and now Cynthia doesn't trust her
- [18:54:35] <Eight-bit> ah right, I have that April works through Kasumi
- [18:56:34] <@NeoZEROX> Yeah might just Kasumi as four pretty split up, Kasumi the most innocent of the three too
- [18:57:30] <@NeoZEROX> Rain would fight against April, and and Clair is Clair
- [19:01:56] <Eight-bit> Clair is Clair?
- [19:03:09] <@NeoZEROX> You know Clair being herself
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- [19:04:09] <@NeoZEROX> Hi Yuan
- [19:04:34] <Yuanchosaan> Hi
- [19:10:56] <Eight-bit> I think we agreed that Rain was occupied this time
- [19:11:01] <Eight-bit> so jsut Kasumi and Clair, perhaps
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- [01:30:44] <@NeoZEROX> So sense we're here should we talk more about villains or should we switch to heroes of 13th
- [01:34:09] <@SilverCrono> has DSS seen what was done with oavyce's story mode?
- [01:34:23] <@SilverCrono> as well as april and gin, those were also important/decisive creations
- [01:34:44] <@NeoZEROX> Noelle can still join them if he wish for
- [01:35:15] <@SilverCrono> cool w/ me
- [01:40:39] <DSS> 0. 0
- [01:40:57] <@NeoZEROX> .-.
- [01:40:57] <Eight-bit> yess? :]
- [01:41:02] <@SilverCrono> whet
- [01:42:50] <DSS> i need a recap
- [01:43:25] <DSS> I just read 13th cycle blurbs of those three but I kinda need it in contex of what the other villains are doing
- [01:44:07] <Eight-bit> Well Oavyce's section details Alice/Ryuu/Zane
- [01:44:12] <Eight-bit> 0 and Akito have their own fling
- [01:44:15] <Eight-bit> idka bout Richter
- [01:44:21] <Eight-bit> so i think that's all the context you get
- [01:44:35] <@SilverCrono> thats the problem lmao, we need context besides what exists
- [01:44:54] <Eight-bit> we're creating the context by adding these sections lol
- [01:45:04] <DSS> NeoZEROX: weren't you telling me last night that its Coatl that leads Alice, Ryuu and Zane? not Oavyce?
- [01:46:05] <@NeoZEROX> They think Coatl pushing too much on the plot
- [01:47:23] <@NeoZEROX> I forgot reason already
- [01:47:40] <@SilverCrono> not that he's pushing too much, but rather that it's more fair to spread the wealth
- [01:47:56] <@SilverCrono> also i already had oavyce going for ragnarok before so why not just shift things into a more reasonable position
- [01:48:27] <@NeoZEROX> Mind if Coatl still gives Ryuu and Zane idea to kill him then
- [01:48:46] <@SilverCrono> thats cool w/ me tho
- [01:48:49] <@NeoZEROX> And they just join Oavyce because they going to same goal
- [01:49:01] <@NeoZEROX> And Alice join just she sick of the war
- [01:56:42] <DSS> how naive of me to think that the 13th would just be the final showdown between protag and anatag...
- [01:56:54] <DSS> ...because that's really all I have planned, oops >>??
- [01:57:23] <DSS> god I'm so boring with this stuff
- [01:58:25] <@SilverCrono> i think someone said it was gonna be death of gods -> protag vs antag -> protags fight helel -> credits
- [01:58:33] <@SilverCrono> and dont sweat it buddy, thats why we're a team
- [01:59:44] <@NeoZEROX> And final mode for leading to Ama defeat! ^^ *shot*
- [01:59:58] <DSS> there seems to be some extra stuff in there though thats what snagged me
- [02:00:44] <@SilverCrono> like whet
- [02:03:51] <DSS> all the stuff that leads up to the final showdowns
- [02:05:12] <Eight-bit> we just set up a slightly different environment for the final showdowns. There's no Ragnarok and Eris, and Helel and Genesis are active. So the chgaracters from each fic have to take that into account when confronting each other
- [02:06:13] <@SilverCrono> between ragny/eris' deaths, the heroes and villains are largely left to their own devices
- [02:06:23] <@SilverCrono> where they take this freedom is up to, well, us
- [02:07:22] <Eight-bit> you can choose to ignore that context if you want actually :X
- [02:07:33] <Eight-bit> "have to take that into account" -> "they can take that into account"
- [02:07:40] <Eight-bit> I think it really sets a tone of finality tho
- [02:10:23] <DSS> I did ask about this last night remember? about how the concepts of WoL and WoM cease to exist after the deaths of Rag and Eris
- [02:11:01] <DSS> however, be that as it may, that's not going to stop a few, or most of these pairs from opposing one another
- [02:11:12] <Eight-bit> oh that's true. not every WoM dies from their respective WoT
- [02:11:23] <@NeoZEROX> Yeah
- [02:11:24] <Eight-bit> Coatl kills two, Noelle kills herself
- [02:11:31] <@SilverCrono> oavyce kills himself, technically
- [02:11:33] <DSS> she does?
- [02:11:34] <Eight-bit> I am not sure how 8 dies...
- [02:11:47] <@NeoZEROX> Isn't what what you told me DSS
- [02:11:58] <@NeoZEROX> Also Akito and 0 kill eacher
- [02:12:05] <DSS> stop stop wait
- [02:12:07] <@NeoZEROX> *other
- [02:12:10] <DSS> youre going too fast
- [02:12:23] <@NeoZEROX> Sanic fast
- [02:13:00] <Eight-bit> YOU'REEE TOOO SLOWWWW
- [02:13:15] <Eight-bit> too slow too slow too slow *shot*
- [02:13:25] NeoZEROX reloads
- [02:13:33] <DSS> Im still figuring out what to do with Akito and now someone else other than me decides how he dies?
- [02:13:42] <DSS> call me baised but that's not exactly fair >>
- [02:13:56] <@SilverCrono> on the topic of warriors ceasing to exist if ragny and eris die, im sure they would persist due to the fact that the 2 gods only manifest genesis' power to summon le fightahz
- [02:14:12] <Eight-bit> no one decided how he died <<
- [02:14:12] <@SilverCrono> if they die, no more warriors can be summoned/revived, but existing ones stay
- [02:14:15] <@NeoZEROX> Isn't that what we talk about, he stay behind to fight 0/Azazel?
- [02:14:19] <@SilverCrono> (source: http://dissidiacalamitasinfinita.wikia.com/wiki/Mythology )
- [02:15:16] <@SilverCrono> we stated that akito was gonna do stuff with 0 but not that he was gonna die...
- [02:15:52] <@NeoZEROX> Now my brain hurting
- [02:18:03] <DSS> what crono said
- [02:18:22] <DSS> I do want him to fight Azazel, but no one said anything about him dying there
- [02:18:35] <Eight-bit> Let's talk about that then since they're the last two "WoMs" left
- [02:18:45] <@SilverCrono> yee
- [02:18:57] <Eight-bit> does Genesis factor at all into their fight? I forgot
- [02:19:13] <@NeoZEROX> Genesis would fight Azazel and lose
- [02:19:18] <Eight-bit> Or is Akito mainly fighting Azazel because he's just trying to be another god or something
- [02:19:29] <Eight-bit> oh wat
- [02:19:38] <DSS> Genesis LOSES to Azazel?
- [02:19:45] <DSS> wth
- [02:20:09] <@NeoZEROX> Yes you guys just ingore e saying Azazel killing Genesis and taking his power. >>
- [02:20:24] NeoZEROX head desk
- [02:20:58] <@SilverCrono> [15:03:42] <@SilverCrono> im assuming genesis is only able to be killed because he had been repeatedly attacked for the 11th and 12th cycles
- [02:20:59] <DSS> i dunno about ignore, maybe forgot
- [02:21:05] <@SilverCrono> [15:22:06] <@SilverCrono> taarin and liam suicide attack him (9th) -> vainia's group suicide attack him (10th) -> azazel duels him (11th) -> Klaytaza attacks him when weakened and steals some power, using it to attack the gods, but dies (also 11th)
- [02:21:14] <@SilverCrono> ^this is about genesis.
- [02:21:20] <DSS> [i missed so much discussion]
- [02:21:34] <@NeoZEROX> Okay I dunno why you guys say Azazel fights in on 115h
- [02:21:35] <@NeoZEROX> 11th
- [02:21:54] <@SilverCrono> thats what the cycles page says >_>
- [02:21:58] <Eight-bit> olos 115th
- [02:22:06] <DSS> pls no 115 cycles
- [02:23:01] <@NeoZEROX> I fix it
- [02:23:17] <@SilverCrono> is ok bby have logs for catchup http://pastebin.com/2Dr1UAyj
- [02:23:17] <@NeoZEROX> I type 5 and not a t
- [02:23:26] <DSS> just trying to meet together how we figured out genesis dies in coj and how he dies in dci
- [02:23:36] <DSS> I know, two different fics but
- [02:23:40] <DSS> immortal is immortal
- [02:23:55] <@SilverCrono> things can parallel but they dont have to be equivalent to original fics i dont think....
- [02:25:31] <@NeoZEROX> It because Azazel didn't just kill Genesis but too his place, but Azazel himself can't be immortal only 0 can and needs him be a shell
- [02:25:50] <Eight-bit> "took his place" = "took his power"?
- [02:25:55] <@NeoZEROX> Yeah
- [02:25:58] <Eight-bit> so Genesis is just some discarded husk somewhere?
- [02:26:06] <@SilverCrono> (the unknown?)
- [02:26:19] <@NeoZEROX> No Genesis is gone
- [02:26:57] <@NeoZEROX> This last cycle it tie up nearly all lose ends
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- [02:37:23] <DSS> okay finished reading logs
- [02:37:39] <DSS> I don't think I want Noelle to commit suicide anymore
- [02:38:49] <DSS> while there is a time where she wallows around in self loathing (quite awhile) I feel it would fit her character to not want to shame her honor as a princess
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- [02:39:11] <DSS> I kind of want for her to seek out Kayle to fight an honorable battle to make up for everything that she had done
- [02:39:39] <DSS> Even knowing going into the battle that she's going to die, she knows she's repaying for her past sins and is going out with honor and dignity
- [02:39:49] <DSS> hi xep
- [02:40:02] <Xeppy> Heys
- [02:41:15] <@SilverCrono> i like this idea
- [02:41:17] <@SilverCrono> hi xeppeh
- [02:42:42] <DSS> jarkko vs richter....
- [02:43:08] <DSS> consider what happens in c12, jark officially turns into "serious mode" in c13
- [02:44:16] <Eight-bit> sounds good c. noelle
- [02:44:24] <DSS> I envision him throwing off the guise of the fool and maybe going a bit antihero on richter
- [02:44:30] <DSS> righteous vengeance
- [02:45:35] <@SilverCrono> :o
- [02:45:40] <@SilverCrono> thats pretty badass
- [02:49:03] <@NeoZEROX> So you think Akito would be only WoM to live?
- [02:51:09] <DSS> I know this is going to sound really stupid but
- [02:52:01] <DSS> he doesn't have to necessarily. he can still die, but I kind of want him to achieve his redemption
- [02:56:19] <Eight-bit> what does achieve his redemption entail?
- [02:56:24] <@NeoZEROX> I just always see him and 0 dying togethe
- [02:56:56] <Eight-bit> He could pull a Golbez...
- [02:59:17] <DSS> I don't remember what golbez does
- [02:59:43] <@SilverCrono> uhhh he helps cecil/other heroes out
- [02:59:55] <@SilverCrono> and acts blatantly protagonistic in the last cycle iirc
- [03:01:12] <DSS> that's generally kind of what I wish for Akito if that's not too....ugh, vomity
- [03:02:19] <@SilverCrono> this is my limit. night, guys
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- [03:02:22] <Eight-bit> no one else is doing it, so I don't see why not
- [03:02:26] <Eight-bit> and he has the personality to
- [03:02:28] <Eight-bit> bye crono
- [03:02:38] <@NeoZEROX> Would he help Rain most then?
- [03:02:57] <@NeoZEROX> Because Rain kinda hold a lot hate to WoM for Ike's death
- [03:05:10] <DSS> all the other WoM are dead by then
- [03:05:24] <@NeoZEROX> No 0
- [03:05:26] <@NeoZEROX> Not 0
- [03:05:39] <DSS> How does killing 0 help Rain?
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- [03:05:53] <@NeoZEROX> Just nvm
- [03:06:14] <@NeoZEROX> It not what I'm asking about
- [03:08:48] <DSS> okay then help Rain how
- [03:11:18] <@NeoZEROX> I really not sure
- [03:11:50] <@NeoZEROX> Talking to Cluna on phone right now so my focus is split
- [03:11:59] <Eight-bit> mayeb with Coj-related things
- [03:13:32] <DSS> ah well
- [03:16:07] <DSS> guess we can resume this tomorrow
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- [20:09:39] <Eight-bit> DSS: Does Bunny literally drop a coffin on 8 at the end of their dialogue? lol
- [20:12:58] <DSS> The dialogue on her page?
- [20:14:37] <DSS> Also, some dude is inviting me to his linkshell >> how do I join yours
- [20:14:56] <Eight-bit> You can have up to 8 linkshells.
- [20:14:59] <Eight-bit> You're on Goblin now?
- [20:16:14] <Eight-bit> I can invite you to the FFWiki one if you like. As far as guild goes, a free trialer cannot be invited to one.
- [20:17:40] <DSS> I am on Goblin now
- [20:17:50] <Eight-bit> Also yes, the dialogue on her page. I imagine she is convincing enough for 8 to trust that she can make what he saw in the mirror real
- [20:18:04] <Eight-bit> I was thinking that would jsut end the 9th cycle for him lol...
- [20:19:12] <@NeoZEROX> What with 8 and these creepy little girls?
- [20:19:26] <Eight-bit> I will log on to XIV and invite you.
- [20:19:42] <Eight-bit> Hey, you wanted the 8/May interaction XD
- [20:20:02] <@NeoZEROX> lol
- [20:20:04] <Eight-bit> And I have a vested interested in 8/Bunny since DSS and I have planned it for a long time, and Riyoku has done Bunny's art.
- [20:21:41] <DSS> I didn't plan the coffin drop but that can certianly be arranged, heh
- [20:22:08] <@NeoZEROX> Really should bring up the Ryuu and Lilith interaction again.
- [20:22:30] <Eight-bit> How exactly do you envision her administration of "curing" 8?
- [20:22:46] <Eight-bit> What's you username, DSS?
- [20:22:51] <Eight-bit> character name(
- [20:22:52] <Eight-bit> *
- [20:23:02] <@NeoZEROX> AZQ?
- [20:24:01] <Eight-bit> Every character has a first and last name.
- [20:25:48] <DSS> Bellweather Moondance :D
- [20:26:01] <@SilverCrono> so purty ;A;
- [20:26:09] <@SilverCrono> !!! http://www.play-asia.com/mobile-suit-gundam-extreme-vs-full-boost-premium-g-sound-editio-paOS-13-49-en-70-77wp.html
- [20:26:19] <@SilverCrono> i can either buy this when i get paid tomorrow or fill up my gas tank
- [20:26:27] <@SilverCrono> why is being an adult so hard :C
- [20:26:35] <DSS> Bunny would casually summon the coffin, and once 8 steps inside, he gets transported to Friend to make his wish
- [20:27:40] <Eight-bit> IF YOU ARE A CATGIRL I'M GOIGN TO BE VERY DISPLEASED.
- [20:27:55] <@NeoZEROX> .-.
- [20:27:59] <Eight-bit> buy the figurine and walk you scrub
- [20:28:05] <Eight-bit> priorities
- [20:28:40] <Eight-bit> friend request sent.
- [20:28:59] <DSS> holdup, steam just locked up on me
- [20:29:04] <@NeoZEROX> This mean I can't be a catgirl?
- [20:29:53] <Eight-bit> you can. I'll just loathe you violently. :]
- [20:30:23] <@SilverCrono> >figurine
- [20:30:28] <XJR-9> Drawing queue will slow
- [20:30:31] <@SilverCrono> its a game you filthy casual D:<
- [20:30:34] <XJR-9> As I dislike drawing cats
- [20:31:13] <XJR-9> And thus must space with other races
- [20:31:15] <@NeoZEROX> Will be batter his temporary until Au Mu comes out?
- [20:31:24] <@NeoZEROX> *better
- [20:31:49] <DSS> Eight-bit: why no like catgirls?
- [20:31:58] <Eight-bit> The stat differences between races are very minor. You should pick whatever race you like
- [20:32:07] <Eight-bit> Just because there are so many of them :P
- [20:32:17] <XJR-9> DSS: Most popular race in the game because fanservice.
- [20:32:18] <Eight-bit> you are one, aren't you >>
- [20:32:30] <XJR-9> They're so showy about it.
- [20:32:34] DSS throws up his arms in exasperation/general doneness
- [20:32:45] <DSS> I am one, but it was a toss up between them and elezen
- [20:32:53] <XJR-9> In every other race, males outnumber females in the PC population.
- [20:33:03] <Eight-bit> you missed out on the superior class :P
- [20:33:21] <DSS> I just wanna play the game =~=
- [20:33:21] <Eight-bit> the running joke in the FC is that I am a snotty, terribly racist elezen.
- [20:33:21] <XJR-9> Only in cats do females outnumber males. By a lot.
- [20:33:21] <XJR-9> So skeevy >_>
- [20:33:32] <Eight-bit> <s>because I am</s> because, uh, it's a joke.,
- [20:34:26] <@NeoZEROX> To be fair, I'll abandon race as soon I can use the Au Ru
- [20:34:27] <XJR-9> Phone dying soon, will drop out
- [20:34:46] <@NeoZEROX> Dragon girl > Cat Girl
- [20:34:48] <XJR-9> Eight-bit: You're our only high level Elezen .-.
- [20:35:10] <@SilverCrono> i would play xiv on ps4
- [20:35:12] <@SilverCrono> but money >.>
- [20:35:37] <Eight-bit> If I had a way to I would pay for all of your first months :P
- [20:36:53] <XJR-9> Eight-bit: Jys joined you briefly and then parted for catgirl land again
- [20:37:17] <Eight-bit> roflflflflf
- [20:37:27] <Eight-bit> He could not keep botht he superior name and the superior race ; ;
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- [20:37:35] <XJR-9> DSS: partly because we've gotten a lot of cats recently, and Piper-chan is starting to make jokes about ridding ourselves of the infestation...
- [20:38:04] <Eight-bit> just play it :P I just give every miquote shit
- [20:38:07] <Eight-bit> Ask the Nolanebits
- [20:39:35] <@NeoZEROX> Honestly only other reason I would pick it is because ears, if I could get fuffy tail that fox like I'll pick it.
- [20:39:52] <Eight-bit> XJR-9: ooo, Retainer!April actually got me a Mossy Horn from venture
- [20:39:58] <Eight-bit> used to make i55 crafter earrings.
- [20:40:05] <Eight-bit> THE REDEMPTION IS NIGH
- [20:41:23] <@NeoZEROX> ugh, I want get my new gaming laptop soon so I can play, well might not get too on first day because there be a lot shit to download on first day.
- [20:42:25] <@NeoZEROX> Need get all my stuff set up, FireFox, LoL, Skype, And buy XIV and download it.
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- [20:59:19] <@SilverCrono> wb
- [21:00:13] <Eight-bit> How would the meeting with Friend go :?
- [21:00:27] <DSS> had to restart there
- [21:01:30] <DSS> Simple. Friend is in the business of granting wishes. There is no limit on size, worth, or even reality. All 8 (or anyone else) would have to do is seek him out and prove his worth.
- [21:03:14] <DSS> If the wish slants towards the realm of chaos, disorder, and destruction, the more likely he is to grant it, however.
- [21:04:42] <@SilverCrono> so all a warrior has to do is ask friend to end the whole god's war
- [21:04:49] <@SilverCrono> and its over just like that? ._.
- [21:05:22] <@NeoZEROX> Not really
- [21:05:36] <@NeoZEROX> If you ask like there there a twist
- [21:05:52] <@NeoZEROX> DSS explain to me another night ago.
- [21:07:18] <@SilverCrono> a cool one would be to like, have friend induce an illusion in which the wisher believes the war ended
- [21:07:22] <@SilverCrono> or nah
- [21:10:07] <DSS> While Friend can do these things on his own, he imposes a limit of being only able to use his power when someone makes a wish to him
- [21:12:43] <DSS> So someone would have to make a wish for him to do that
- [21:13:02] <DSS> I doubt he would end the war if someone wished him to
- [21:13:18] <@SilverCrono> i c
- [21:16:16] <Eight-bit> Hm... as Iocus shows in his dialogue with 8, removing 8's disease wouldn't necessarily cause him to be a better person, at least not in his world. It might have that effect in the DCI universe, so I don't know if he would grant the request
- [21:16:41] <Eight-bit> At any rate, if he does grant the request, I need the effects to not carry over to the next cycle.
- [21:20:08] <DSS> That can be arranged :D
- [21:20:32] <@NeoZEROX> So what does Lilith do with Ryuu, I remember she causes Ryuu corruption to progress?
- [21:20:35] <DSS> wishes are often granted with a twist
- [21:20:43] <@NeoZEROX> Least what we talk about
- [21:20:54] <DSS> If he cures 8's disease, it could only be for that cycle, and not permanently
- [21:21:01] <Eight-bit> aha, there's the twist then.
- [21:21:12] <Eight-bit> And then Friend immediately ends that cycle for 8
- [21:21:13] <Eight-bit> orz
- [21:21:14] <DSS> NeoZEROX: I completely forgot most of what went on between those two
- [21:23:54] <@SilverCrono> does december have 31 days or 30
- [21:24:02] <@NeoZEROX> All I remember is Lilith pushes Ryuu making his corruption worsen.
- [21:24:06] <@NeoZEROX> 31
- [21:24:18] <@SilverCrono> thank god its 31
- [21:24:24] <@SilverCrono> thought i had to submit this shit tonight >>;
- [21:24:40] <Eight-bit> college app?
- [21:24:47] <@SilverCrono> appS
- [21:25:00] <@SilverCrono> im applying to a total of 11 and 2 still have unfinished essays
- [21:25:43] <DSS> 11 is an ambitious number
- [21:26:21] <@NeoZEROX> Eh?
- [21:26:27] <Eight-bit> jeebus
- [21:26:36] <Eight-bit> I only applied to 2 undergrads lal
- [21:26:40] <Eight-bit> (underachiever)
- [21:28:04] <DSS> I did 6
- [21:28:26] <DSS> NeoZEROX: If you know a cycle where Ryuu is free we can fit something in
- [21:28:37] <Eight-bit> What is the world of AFE called?
- [21:29:05] <@SilverCrono> i initially only wanted to do 5 but my mother is a stubborn lass who wants me to have all my options open
- [21:29:20] <@SilverCrono> regardless of my actual ability to fill out said options
- [21:30:19] <@SilverCrono> Eight-bit: holup
- [21:30:47] <Eight-bit> my parents were the same way with med and pharm....
- [21:30:50] <@SilverCrono> it is orphanage
- [21:30:57] <Eight-bit> more application fees .-.
- [21:31:00] <Eight-bit> thanksQ
- [21:31:01] <Eight-bit> !
- [21:31:06] <@SilverCrono> np
- [21:31:23] <@SilverCrono> yeah all these essays have been oversaturating my writing nerve >>;
- [21:32:44] <Eight-bit> give them KoS Ch. 32 instead :P
- [21:32:55] <Eight-bit> "here's my essay, hope you like it bitchezzzzzzzz"
- [21:33:20] <@SilverCrono> one of my personal essays started with an excerpt of kos and went on to talk about how i wrote it/printed it
- [21:33:21] <@SilverCrono> olos.
- [21:33:34] <Eight-bit> ._. sweet
- [21:35:04] <@NeoZEROX> DSS he summon on 7th, I don't think he does really much, but I remember we talk about him killing Ui or something.
- [21:38:34] <@SilverCrono> Eight-bit: this album has desert years. im buying it. https://otakurepublic.com/product/doujin_music/touhou_project/product_page_265071.html?ref=tag_page&type=tagpage_product
- [21:41:46] <Eight-bit> worth >:D
- [21:41:59] <Eight-bit> haven't fired up the touhou playlist in a while. I keep forgetting all the bookmarks I had on my own computer
- [21:42:22] <Eight-bit> "touhou tunes crono" is remembered int he youtube search list :P
- [21:42:30] <Eight-bit> oh shit you hit 100
- [21:42:39] <Eight-bit> starting at 95.
- [21:48:51] <@SilverCrono> i did i did >:D
- [21:49:22] <@SilverCrono> i shall show it to yuany when she returns
- [21:49:23] <Eight-bit> *ears perk up at 96*
- [21:53:38] <@SilverCrono> 102 is amazeballs
- [22:13:21] <Eight-bit> SilverCrono: so, I left my computer for a bit to help my mom, forgot to pause playlist
- [22:13:35] <Eight-bit> I hear music from my headphones and go back to the playlist
- [22:13:42] <Eight-bit> AND THE IMAGE FROM TRACK 101 JUMPS OUT AT ME
- [22:13:45] <Eight-bit> ASIUDFASYU'
- [22:17:40] <@SilverCrono> LMFAOOOOOO
- [22:38:01] <Cluna> brb dinner
- [22:57:39] <Cluna> Back
- [22:58:09] <DSS> wb
- [22:59:16] <Cluna> tthx
- [22:59:20] <Cluna> thx
- [23:09:34] <Eight-bit> baq again. going to listen to 101 with advance notice now lol. And then the much anticipated 102 o uo
- [23:18:45] <Eight-bit> amaze * -*
- [23:44:28] <@SilverCrono> <late af>
- [23:44:38] <@SilverCrono> glad all is approve~4
- [23:45:32] <DSS> so, discuss moar orrrr do we feel like an rp/
- [23:46:00] <@SilverCrono> oooh
- [23:46:05] <@SilverCrono> im up for either
- [23:46:17] <Eight-bit> me too
- [23:46:30] <Eight-bit> I added another 8/Iocus conversation down in the story specific section
- [23:49:29] <@SilverCrono> it was yummy 8D
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- [00:03:00] <Eight-bit> DSS, would you like to write a section on how Friend handles 8's wish?
- [00:03:13] <Eight-bit> I'm just gonna throw things out to discuss unless people would rather RP
- [00:03:43] <Eight-bit> I am probably going to go do a dungeon with Yuan/Kira sometime later tonight, so I'll be talkative now :P
- [00:04:33] <DSS> We did agree on how it ends up going, yes? Unless you want to see it written down specifically. I don't think I can portray 8 effectively >_>
- [00:05:20] <Eight-bit> You can go ahead and spell out the crux of how he responds, and I can edit it. Unless you'd like me to star tit, and you edit Friend accordingly?
- [00:05:27] <Eight-bit> start it, pff
- [00:06:34] <DSS> I guess I can give it a go
- [00:07:21] <DSS> letsee here...
- [00:07:34] <Eight-bit> alright. Hopefully the story sections on 8s page help with how he speaks :]
- [00:07:41] <Eight-bit> he's not... quite as eloquent as April, lel.
- [00:07:56] <DSS> I was just going to do that, lol
- [00:10:48] <@SilverCrono> whose story should i do next, i wonder
- [00:11:46] <Eight-bit> The one that we decide upon in cycle 11 that 8 interacts with >:D
- [00:11:58] <Eight-bit> are you done with Vainia?
- [00:12:11] <Eight-bit> I was going to put Concord in her group in 10 but idk how to do that .-.
- [00:12:22] <Eight-bit> [plus i don't have anything else on concord lel]
- [00:25:01] <@SilverCrono> yeah vainia is done
- [00:25:51] <@SilverCrono> gotta come up with a way for her to die tho
- [00:27:22] <DSS> hmhmhm
- [00:27:28] <Eight-bit> probably pretty epically to genesis, no?
- [00:28:25] <DSS> Eight-bit: what would 8 refer to his disease as
- [00:30:42] <Eight-bit> It's not technically "leprosy". I've never really named it. It's a rot, a wasting disease, a disfigurement.
- [00:31:01] <DSS> curse works?
- [00:31:10] <Eight-bit> Yeah, he sees it as a curse.
- [00:32:33] <@NeoZEROX> Someone else with rotting skin?
- [00:36:56] <Eight-bit> yeh... probably not exactly like Ryuu's?
- [00:37:18] <Eight-bit> more of a blistering, blackening disorder, I guess. I wrote that it was genetic, for story purposes.
- [00:37:40] <Eight-bit> With a bullshit method of inheritance that had Yuan puzzling over Punnett squares XD
- [00:38:07] <Eight-bit> 8 has stifled it with so much magic though that it's become more metastatic
- [00:38:20] <Eight-bit> That is, it's basically spread through his entire body and not just his skin.
- [00:40:23] <@SilverCrono> >yuan grumbling over punnett squares over 8
- [00:40:26] <@SilverCrono> i lmao'd
- [00:40:38] <@NeoZEROX> It between genetics to actual disease then?
- [00:42:17] <DSS> Eight-bit: http://dissidiacalamitasinfinita.wikia.com/wiki/User:Deadlyslashsword/Sandbox6
- [00:42:29] <Eight-bit> It's not contagious. It's inherited; 8's mom died from it, and his dad was a carrier.
- [00:43:18] <Eight-bit> > Friend: Hello! Welcome to my home! :D
- [00:43:22] <Eight-bit> I actually lol'd
- [00:44:01] <DSS> brbb
- [00:44:37] <Eight-bit> ooo, 8's rather ungrateful, isn't he? Jerk.
- [00:45:11] <Eight-bit> looks great :] thanks
- [00:45:20] <@SilverCrono> the smiley face tho
- [00:45:51] <DSS> i didn't know how grateful or not he would be in that situation
- [00:46:06] <Eight-bit> does he... come back to the "real" world?
- [00:46:23] <DSS> he goes back to sundry
- [00:46:41] <Eight-bit> If it actually was removed, he would... be grateful, yes. He might not be able to express it very congenially, though.
- [00:46:59] <Eight-bit> the "your kind" is harsh XD Friend has such a nice emoticon smile :<
- [00:49:24] <Eight-bit> it's cool to see Friend in action tho
- [00:50:07] <Eight-bit> Can I put this on 8's page, DSS, or would you rather it be on Friend's?
- [01:01:39] <DSS> you can put it on 8s
- [01:05:13] <DSS> It pertains to 8 more than it does to Friend
- [01:05:29] <DSS> though it would be cool if Friend could be doing this sort of thing throughout the cycles
- [01:05:48] <DSS> if you guys want to offer willing wishers :)
- [01:07:49] <@NeoZEROX> I'm interest in what other wishes others Warriors would ask to Friend
- [01:08:14] <DSS> That's pretty much what I'm asking
- [01:08:46] <Eight-bit> offer one of your own, neo :P
- [01:10:02] <@SilverCrono> hmm...
- [01:10:35] <@SilverCrono> DSS: how about if vainia asks for gin to be revived in cycle 11
- [01:10:43] <Eight-bit> the coffin descent/office ascended is a really trippy touch
- [01:11:04] <@SilverCrono> i wont spoil much now, but this wish would eventually end up killing her. sort of a give and take/fma sorta thing
- [01:12:10] <@NeoZEROX> Well Ryuu going have something Lilith unless connecting to Friend is a Bunny only thing
- [01:14:33] <DSS> I just came up with this whole Bunny/Friend thing like right now, so give me some time with it >>
- [01:15:23] <@SilverCrono> does my idea work or
- [01:15:30] <DSS> I'm thinking
- [01:15:38] <DSS> but I don't think I quite understand
- [01:17:32] <Eight-bit> The word "Friend" looks so weird to me now....
- [01:17:40] <DSS> if you can elaborate we can work out how it would go but if you don't want to spoil it I understand
- [01:18:48] <DSS> Eight-bit: whoops, my apologies XD
- [01:20:53] <Eight-bit> I will copy the story on BUnny's page to 8's as well
- [01:25:02] <@SilverCrono> ill just pm it
- [01:49:17] <Eight-bit> DSS: does BUnny summon her coffin from the earth, does it just materialize in thin air, or is she actually carrying it with her when she meets 8?
- [01:58:39] <DSS> that is a great question
- [01:59:26] <DSS> (saying which is a sign that this is something I haven't thought of)
- [01:59:37] <Eight-bit> lel
- [01:59:59] <Eight-bit> maybe she just sails up with it on a ferry
- [02:00:04] <DSS> the coffin's bigger than her, so carrying it is probably a no
- [02:01:46] <DSS> the ferry...I dont know?
- [02:02:24] <DSS> I suppose it just appears, that's the best explanation I can come up with
- [02:03:56] <Eight-bit> ok
- [02:06:54] <DSS> persons face when in the coffin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eed3HcUcz3E
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- [22:40:25] <DSS> Anyone feel like discussion? I'm super bored =_=
- [22:40:56] <@NeoZEROX> Yes
- [22:49:48] <Eight-bit> gonna do a dungeon then yeah, I can
- [22:50:19] <DSS> gives us time to think of something =u=
- [22:50:32] <@SilverCrono> yas lets diskus
- [22:50:33] <@NeoZEROX> Is there point where you run out dungeon to explore?
- [22:50:53] <@SilverCrono> ...i say, knowing ill be asleep in less than an hour
- [22:52:19] <Eight-bit> Well, there are a set number of dungeons introduced each patch, but you don't just go through one and be done with it forever lol
- [22:52:57] <@NeoZEROX> Oh I see
- [22:53:12] <@NeoZEROX> There going be a lot I need to learn. >>
- [22:54:06] <Eight-bit> You ease into it
- [22:56:09] <@NeoZEROX> eh, soon I'll get that new laptop
- [23:01:54] <Eight-bit> DSS did you want to bring up the death/ressurection thing?
- [23:04:26] <DSS> ASDF
- [23:05:03] <DSS> Guys: What is the difference between basic defeat, semi permanent death, and permanent death?
- [23:05:21] <DSS> And how do each of these happen, and how do the first two get reversed between cycles?
- [23:07:14] <@SilverCrono> defeat = loss of a battle
- [23:07:28] <@SilverCrono> semi death = you die and stay dead for the rest of the cycle. revived again next cycle
- [23:07:33] <@SilverCrono> perma death = you die and never come back
- [23:08:02] <DSS> Where would a death like Gin's fall in?
- [23:08:20] <@SilverCrono> im assuming defeat isnt, like, death. i mean it might be possible to resurrect but idk. im more inclined to believe its just heavy wounding and healing w/ gods powers
- [23:08:44] <@SilverCrono> as of how i have it now, gin has an odd form of semi death, bc he suicide'd
- [23:08:52] <@SilverCrono> that is subject to change though
- [23:11:17] <DSS> Which god chooses who to bring back, is that Genesis? >>
- [23:12:00] <DSS> We were talking about how he chooses who to bring back and who not to
- [23:12:12] <DSS> And for what reasons
- [23:12:31] <@SilverCrono> uhhh idk who picks and am too lazy to look it up for now
- [23:12:44] <@NeoZEROX> Genesis picks
- [23:13:01] <@SilverCrono> but from what i remember of the mythology, only warriors who are able to provide energy through conflict are summoned
- [23:13:43] <@SilverCrono> though this is contradicted by the fact that numerous characters have storylines in which they dont actively fight
- [23:13:59] <@SilverCrono> also im assuming warriors who openly contests any of the gods arent kept around for very long
- [23:14:25] <DSS> Eight-bit: do you have the logs, I donna remember what criterion you mentioned @_@
- [23:14:54] <DSS> Though it was something like non-combatants, betrayers, backstabbers, those who don't play along, etc.
- [23:15:19] <DSS> It make sense that those sorts of reasons are why certain characters aren't brought back/
- [23:15:21] <DSS> ?
- [23:15:26] <@SilverCrono> well we have people who switch sides <_<
- [23:15:36] <Eight-bit> [17:16:04] <Eight-bit> I guess the rule is, be at least semiwilling to fight for your side, don't be a filthy traitor, don't challenge the gods directly or try to dig into their history
- [23:16:43] <@SilverCrono> yee sounds about right
- [23:16:52] <@SilverCrono> although, again, we have people who switch sides and live, lol
- [23:17:28] <DSS> That's true too
- [23:18:09] <DSS> So correct me if Im wrong, but Ragnarok and Eris do the initial summoning, Genesis picks who gets revived for each cycle and Seraphim does the actual reviving, yes?
- [23:19:05] <@SilverCrono> sounds right
- [23:20:10] <DSS> I wonder if we get any insight on how Genesis picks
- [23:20:43] <@NeoZEROX> I haven't thought of it
- [23:24:25] <Eight-bit> the ones where people directly attack him are obvious
- [23:24:50] <Eight-bit> I think the reason why people aren't revived are usually detailed ins tory sections, if there are any?
- [23:25:58] <@SilverCrono> for the most part
- [23:26:04] <DSS> I think most cases as they stand now would probably end with Genesis going "Well, they had a pretty complete story arc, eh? Let's leave it at that lol"
- [23:26:14] <@SilverCrono> really wish i could stick around but ive got to go :{
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- [23:28:45] <Eight-bit> as my dungeon ends
- [23:28:47] <Eight-bit> uglee laffu
- [23:29:38] <DSS> naw now we can talk about the R18 stuff now that the minor is gone huehue
- [23:30:06] <Eight-bit> bewbs.
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- [16:24:18] <Eight-bit> It is possibruu, since Arma has weekend off
- [16:24:23] <Eight-bit> ohi
- [16:24:31] <@Crono|Away> ohi
- [16:25:01] <@NeoZEROX> Yo
- [16:25:09] <DSS> hey
- [16:26:36] <Eight-bit> NeoZEROX: I like how Ruby Bahamut's assists cover offense and defense :]
- [16:27:18] <DSS> what's up?
- [16:27:40] <@NeoZEROX> Thanks, kinda what I'm going at as he combine of their two Eons
- [16:28:15] <@NeoZEROX> Pretty much finish Mother's Twilight Blossom form
- [16:28:21] <Eight-bit> Most likely EoE update tonight, possible AFE start, La Madre Crepusculo
- [16:29:04] <@NeoZEROX> Btw having idea of two story modes in 11th Cycle, one around Azazel, and other around Mother.
- [16:31:27] <Eight-bit> are you moving cynthia up to cycle 11?
- [16:32:21] <@NeoZEROX> Well Cynthia is really just summon near the end of the 11th cycle
- [16:32:42] <@NeoZEROX> though I've been thinking of moving up Rain and Kasumi for awhile
- [16:34:27] <DSS> How do the different story modes work in general, as a concept? not these ones specifically, but do they act as sidestories?
- [16:34:32] <DSS> different game modes?
- [16:35:52] <@NeoZEROX> I guess they work as setting up the main cycles.
- [16:37:15] <DSS> Cuz I've had a few ideas for something like that, side stories or vignettes, and I wonder if they wouldn't work better in this format
- [16:38:12] <@NeoZEROX> Pretty much Azazel would least cause of most my characters death that still around in 11th that are DLC other then Mother.
- [16:43:01] <@Crono|Away> the cycles are pretty much free-for-alls
- [16:43:11] <@Crono|Away> theres no restriction on the amount of story threads that happen on one cycle
- [16:43:33] <@Crono|Away> it is a conglomeration of 30+ warriors at any given time, theres no way there won't be multiple things happening at once
- [16:43:53] <DSS> I agree with that, but Zero said "story modes
- [16:43:58] <DSS> " in particular
- [16:44:07] <DSS> which makes me wonder if they're something separate
- [16:44:20] <@Crono|Away> im assuming he meant just story threads
- [16:44:23] <DSS> than the main story mode
- [16:44:24] <@Crono|Away> :?
- [16:48:13] <@Crono|Away> btw date postponed :| chance of a EoE update now 100%
- [16:50:17] <Eight-bit> oh :| sorreh
- [16:50:22] <Eight-bit> except half not sorreh
- [16:50:30] <@Crono|Away> lmfao its ok, just postponed, no sadness
- [16:50:56] <Eight-bit> Well, the existing story modes zoom in on certain characters, and tend to have details on unlockable stuff/changes in some gameplay?
- [16:51:20] <Eight-bit> The only ones I can think of are... I think Arma made one (i forgot), and Nea's IN-Nelo mode.
- [16:53:17] <@Crono|Away> yee
- [16:54:32] <DSS> hmmm
- [16:54:40] <DSS> also, I had no idea EoE was still a thing
- [16:55:56] <@Crono|Away> when did it stop being a thing ._.
- [16:56:15] <Eight-bit> have you read it?
- [17:04:51] <DSS> no
- [17:05:08] <DSS> I still don't know why I couldn't join
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- [17:06:40] <Eight-bit> Uh... because Crono is the only writer? lol
- [17:07:25] <@Crono|Away> i... are you thinking of klaytaza's story, DSS?
- [17:12:04] <Eight-bit> crono, you said EoE was going to be around.. 14 chapters?
- [17:12:45] <@Crono|Away> 20ish probs
- [17:12:47] <@Crono|Away> why
- [17:13:16] <Eight-bit> just thinking fo when I should expect a lot of shit to go down
- [17:15:16] <@Crono|Away> relatively soon tbh
- [17:20:46] <DSS|Away> oh, whoops
- [17:20:51] <DSS|Away> yes, I got them mixed up >>
- [17:20:58] <DSS|Away> making dinner rn sorry <<;
- [17:21:45] <@Crono|Away> its k
- [17:22:35] <Eight-bit> Were you thinking of XLL or something ?_?
- [17:22:46] <DSS|Away> yeah I was
- [17:22:53] <Eight-bit> gotcha
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- [23:31:54] <@SilverCrono> ooooh everyone is here
- [23:32:00] <@SilverCrono> rev up dat discussion c:<
- [23:34:45] <Eight-bit> i'm going out to get mroe food cuz I suk
- [23:34:48] <Eight-bit> brb in ~20
- [23:35:03] <@SilverCrono> gdi
- [23:35:06] <@SilverCrono> this is why we dont have nice things
- [23:47:09] <Eight-bit> BAK WITH WENDY'S
- [23:47:14] <Taarin> Yum
- [23:49:19] <@SilverCrono> i have only my hunger
- [23:49:44] <Eight-bit> D: then eat something you skinny nerd
- [23:50:05] <Eight-bit> mebbe we could talk about a story mode thing for a specific cycle :?
- [23:50:13] <Eight-bit> although I don't know what exactly "story mode" entails
- [23:50:24] <DSS> I think we should discuss what a story mode is, yeah
- [23:50:52] <@SilverCrono> ^
- [23:51:11] <@SilverCrono> i was under the impression that story was one big cycle with hella side stories/threads going on at once
- [23:51:22] <@SilverCrono> and the cumulative actions led to either Twilight victory or Madness victory
- [23:52:57] <Eight-bit> I think what so far what it means is an actual progression of scripted events and set battles
- [23:53:11] <Eight-bit> So yeah, part of the "main story".
- [23:53:18] <Eight-bit> Just a section of it
- [23:53:28] <DSS> I thought it was just a bonus "what if
- [23:53:33] <Eight-bit> Like the Raiders in cycle 12 could have their own story mode
- [23:56:37] <@SilverCrono> i suppose
- [23:58:21] <Eight-bit> I'd like to see a "end of cycle" story mode someday
- [23:58:30] <Eight-bit> either what arma has for 12, or a vainia group in 10, or something.
- [23:58:40] <Eight-bit> Hell he should probably write what actually happens 13
- [23:58:41] <Eight-bit> in 13*
- [00:02:11] <@SilverCrono> id enjoy writing vainia's mission in 10
- [00:02:21] <@SilverCrono> but she needs a sizable amount of followers for it
- [00:02:26] <@SilverCrono> non of which are confirmed
- [00:16:23] <DSS> oh, something I was mulling over my mind
- [00:16:27] <@SilverCrono> hm?
- [00:16:44] <DSS> How would you guys feel about combining the two EC stories into one?
- [00:18:01] <@SilverCrono> how would this be done?
- [00:18:35] <DSS> I don't know, I have a few ideas but mainly I think it's a bit silly that we have these two that are mostly the same yet separate
- [00:18:41] <DSS> Which is my fault initially for wanting to reboot it
- [00:18:59] <@Cynthia> I'm up for it
- [00:19:09] <DSS> here are the three ideas, tell me what you think
- [00:19:49] <DSS> 1)The Old EC story takes place a generation before new EC, and the ECs appear as adults in New EC
- [00:20:07] <DSS> 2) The two stories take place at the same time but follow the two groups separately
- [00:20:21] <DSS> 3) We completely fuse the two together and have everyone join together
- [00:20:40] <Taarin> All these ideas are interesting.
- [00:21:40] <@SilverCrono> i like 2 the best
- [00:21:45] <@SilverCrono> followed by 1
- [00:21:56] <@SilverCrono> but not 3. i rather like the dynamics each of the gens have with each other
- [00:22:05] <@SilverCrono> and merging them would ruin that imo
- [00:22:28] <DSS> anyone else, rank them?
- [00:23:50] <@Cynthia> Not really sure, they seem fine for me, But I guess Crono right on 3
- [00:25:35] <DSS> what dynamics do you guys see with each group, specifically?
- [00:26:35] <Taarin> Aside from the Jessie/Max/Alice drama?
- [00:27:08] <Taarin> Hmmmm
- [00:27:39] <@Cynthia> There see be some form of love triangle in each group.
- [00:30:44] <@SilverCrono> ^
- [00:30:56] <DSS> that was unintentional >>
- [00:30:58] <@SilverCrono> and besides just the love triangle, those three learn a lot and grow well off each other
- [00:31:45] <DSS> I would almost argue the opposite I think, that all three of them are too stuck in their ways
- [00:32:00] <DSS> that they're working together despite each other
- [00:32:28] <Eight-bit> i dun have a character in EC do idk .-.?
- [00:32:33] <Eight-bit> but yeah.. I think not 3...
- [00:33:53] <@SilverCrono> you did <_<
- [00:34:33] <DSS> Chen??
- [00:34:51] <@Cynthia> The other story that each one of us have characters in some friendship bond
- [00:35:04] <@Cynthia> EC UE
- [00:35:34] <Eight-bit> oh
- [00:35:51] <Eight-bit> i always forget about him cause.. I never did anything with him lol.
- [00:37:14] <DSS> Okay, so 3 is eliminated
- [00:37:34] <DSS> If you guys are leaning towards 2 though, my only question is that they're going to have to meet up at some point
- [00:39:38] <DSS> otherwise there's not really a point in putting them together other for than convenience's sake >>
- [00:40:14] <@Cynthia> Would be cool see them meet up
- [00:40:41] <@SilverCrono> ^
- [00:40:47] <@SilverCrono> perhaps a bitchin fight scene?
- [00:41:22] <DSS> against the silver sentry, right, not against each other <<;;;
- [00:42:33] <@SilverCrono> ...yeah sure .-.
- [00:42:37] <Taarin> Of course, to be expected, Amelia and Flora would get along right away, being the hearts in their respective groups.
- [00:44:01] <DSS> SilverCrono: I thought you were implying that the two groups were gonna fight since you didn't think they would mesh well
- [00:44:16] <@SilverCrono> i was :P
- [00:44:36] <@Cynthia> To be fair, it not hard to get Alice into a fight
- [00:45:19] <@SilverCrono> or max
- [00:45:55] <DSS> to be fair, why
- [00:46:09] <@SilverCrono> hes crazy .-.
- [00:46:55] <DSS> oh, I mean why would they fight, it doesn't make sense to me that these kids spend they're entire life locked up, are finally free, and meet other people who went through the same thing, so I'm not really getting why they would fight is all
- [00:47:15] <DSS> I know Alice and Max love to fight .-.
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- [00:48:13] <Eight-bit> I might desconstruct Chen and have someone else instead.... hm
- [00:48:25] <@SilverCrono> the more we discuss it the less it seems likely :| sorry i just have fight scene fetishes lol
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- [00:51:56] <DSS> well they're being chased pretty much constantly so you will definitely have your fill of that
- [00:52:06] <DSS> I don't want you to give up on this idea already :<
- [00:54:12] <@SilverCrono> ok :D
- [00:56:35] <DSS> Personally, #1 ranks last for me, but I'm open to all ideas
- [00:56:46] <DSS> maybe we can sort things out with an RP?
- [00:57:14] <DSS> I know what you mean a bit, the two groups do have clashing styles
- [00:57:31] <DSS> Gen1 is more like a family, while Gen2 is more....the opposite lol
- [00:57:53] <Eight-bit> Gen 1 is all DSS cahracters so
- [00:57:59] <Eight-bit> idk how we are supposed to RP that out
- [00:58:10] <@SilverCrono> olos
- [00:58:29] <@SilverCrono> yeah i think 2 is the best option
- [00:58:59] <DSS> I could RP just one or all three at once
- [01:00:14] <@SilverCrono> well tbh im too tired to RP coherently tonight
- [01:00:27] <@SilverCrono> perhaps that could come at a later date... or i can just observe
- [01:01:15] <DSS> It doesn't have to be now, but I would like to iron out some of these conflictions
- [01:01:47] <DSS> [I personally don't really see a whole lot of them, so I'm eager to hear feedback :)]
- [01:03:11] <@Cynthia> I remember Alice was very close to Fiora, like she kill anyone that dare harm her
- [01:03:19] <Taarin> Flora
- [01:03:29] <@Cynthia> Oops. >>
- [01:05:51] <@SilverCrono> olos
- [01:09:17] <Eight-bit> rofl fiora
- [01:09:26] <DSS> I want to see new Eight-bit EC :>
- [01:09:50] <Eight-bit> orz
- [01:09:56] <Eight-bit> I feel guilty each new character I make
- [01:10:00] <Eight-bit> there are too many
- [01:10:17] <DSS> >too many
- [01:10:32] <DSS> you are speaking, do you realize, to the king of too many characters
- [01:11:22] <@SilverCrono> also 8bit has... the least amount of chars?
- [01:11:24] <@SilverCrono> so... yeah
- [01:11:25] <DSS> one more will not break the bank for you lol
- [01:14:35] <DSS> do eeet
- [01:15:11] <@Cynthia> omg I shouldn't ate that jalapeno!
- [01:15:25] <@Cynthia> I'm in worst pain ever!
- [01:15:38] <Eight-bit> hm
- [01:15:46] <Eight-bit> I've also made a lot of younger chcracters recently.
- [01:15:52] <DSS> ...from only a jalapeno? o_o
- [01:16:19] <@Cynthia> It hurts to sit!
- [01:16:31] <@Cynthia> It not good coming out! Not at all
- [01:17:07] <@SilverCrono> ... ._.
- [01:17:07] <DSS> tmi
- [01:17:18] <Eight-bit> ._.
- [01:17:20] <Eight-bit> um
- [01:17:24] <Eight-bit> go take some laxatives
- [01:17:34] <@Cynthia> That make it worst!
- [01:18:46] <@SilverCrono> ....do your taxes?
- [01:18:50] <@SilverCrono> >>
- [01:18:54] <DSS> eat some snaxes!
- [01:19:10] <@SilverCrono> ....
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