Kamala Harris with RogueThree; Veganism with tomatobodhi

RogueThree
glkfan: I have adopted Kamala’s “I”m speaking” for Zoom meetings this year. :)
17:19 innit
RogueThree: Do you like Kamala Harris?
17:20 RogueThree
Very much so.
innit
What do you like about her?
innit
I dislike her quite strongly.
RogueThree
She’s a role model to women and women of color.
innit
I strongly disagree, but I agree that is the marketing.
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RogueThree
She’s a force to be reckoned with and I hope Biden utilizes her as more than a ceremonial set piece.
innit
She's a statist cop who, throughout her entire career, has worked on behalf of the state against vulnerable individuals, especially including 'people of color'.
tomatobodhi
I dislike all politicians equally, regardless of their sex or gender.
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innit
RogueThree: Are you aware she threatened prosecution against extremely poor black-skinned moms whose children were truant from school?
Jeffy
You dislike all politicians as much as you dislike Trump?
innit
The evidence indicates this leads to the school-prison pipeline.
tomatobodhi
Jeffy: Yes.
innit
tomatobodhi: That is indefensible.
RogueThree
innit: I am.  And I am aware of the context of that claim.
innit
Recommandation: Increase nuance.
innit
RogueThree: How do you like it when really rich statists use the power of the state to put even more pressure on the backs of already crushed people?
innit
So they can loudly proclaim they're "America's top cop"?
17:23 innit
While those very people of color describe law enforcement as one of the big problems in their lives.
innit
Sorry, "California's top cop".
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RogueThree
innit: I examined the context.  For example, I will take Kamala Harris of Tulsi Gabbard, a mass murderer comfort blanket.
innit
RogueThree: That is a fallacy.
tomatobodhi
yeah
innit
We are discussing Kamala Harris.
tomatobodhi
are we?
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Jeffy
Oh no!
RogueThree
innit: What is?  Gabbard coddles Russia and Syrian dictators.  I have no use for her.
innit
RogueThree: That is a fallacy.
innit
We are discussing Kamala Harris.
RogueThree
innit: what is?  Name it.
innit
It is a red herring fallacy.
RogueThree
innit: And I brought up a comparison.
Jeffy
Tsk.
RogueThree
No, it’s me comparing against the options.
innit
RogueThree: I asked you if you liked Kamala Harris.
innit
Your current line of argumentation is "She's better than X."
innit
This is not consistent with liking something.
RogueThree
innit: AND I SAID YES.
innit
And I asked you how you felt about one of her specific policies that brutally targeted people of color.
innit
And then you starting discussing an entirely different person.
RogueThree
I was clear.  Then I brought up a comparison.
innit
RogueThree: Do you agree Kamala Harris is the exact opposite of a role model for the poor black and brown communities she crushed as "California's top cop"?
Jeffy
What a great idea, glkfan.
RogueThree
No, I don’t agree.
innit
RogueThree: Members of those community report one of the things they need is for cops to stop abusing them.
RogueThree
innit: Are you their spokesperson?
innit
In what way is a "California's top cop" abusing them further an example of that person being a role model for them?
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innit
"Members of those community report"
innit
Alright, you have exhausted your fallacies for this conversation.
innit
Summary: You like Kamala Harris very much for being a role model for women and people of color -- the exact marketing line the Democratic Party machinery has amplified about her.
innit
You provided no examples of her as a role model, evaded clear evidence of her being an anti-role model, and mentioned Tulsi Gabbard out of nowhere.
innit
The K-Hive is alive and strong.
innit
(Kamala Harris dropped out of the 2020 Democratic Presidential Primary before a single vote was cast because polling indicated she was going to get crushed and her star would fade.)
innit
(After dropping out before a single vote was cast, the Democratic Party machinery selected her to be the VP-candidate to a 77-year old P-candidate.)
innit
(This is an example of extreme anti-democracy.)
innit
(Kamala Harris was selected as Joe Biden as Joe Biden is a lifelong racist and Kamala Harris -- an effective orator -- skillfully pointed this out in some of the debates she participated in. By selecting her as his running mate, it deflects the racism criticism of Joe Biden, one of his primary weaknesses.)
innit
(This is quite similar to what Barack Obama did in 2008 by selecting Joe Biden. Obama was vulnerable because white moderates were worried about their country being governed by a 'black man', and the selection of Joe Biden -- famous racist -- as his running mate assuaged those concerns.)
innit
(How bad can this 'black man' be if a famous racist is working with him?)
Sakuna
Many of Bernies ideas have now grown on me.
innit
(Then, the Democratic Party machinery attempted to trick American voters by pretending Kamala fights for their class interests -- by falsely emphasizing her status as a woman and a 'person of color' -- even though, in fact, her entire career is about protecting power, capital, and the state.
innit
Black and brown communities will do very poorly under the Biden/Harris administration.
innit
Joe Biden was forced to drop out of the 1988 Presidential Primary after he repeatedly falsely claimed to have been a substantial Civil Rights organizer.
innit
He would admit on camera he lied repeatedly about that.
Sakuna
I didn't agree with his ideas before the pandemic, but the death of many poor and unisured shows that medicare for all is a good idea to me.
innit
He did it because he's a famous racist and he knew his actual record would prevent him from winning, so he just made up another one.
innit
Sakuna: Bernie Sanders' ideas are the most tame ideas that might actually be strong enough to work.
innit
Anything to his right has no chance whatsoever of saving American civilization or global civilization.
innit
Recall, the current 'crisis' we're dealing with is the COVID-19 crisis.
innit
This will be completely dwarfed by the incoming crisis of the next Great Depression which should be with us over the next few years.
innit
Biden/Harris will probably be adept at resolving the COVID-19 crisis. They will utterly fail at every level for this next economic crisis.
innit
And after that, there is a climate change crisis that utterly dwarfs the economic crisis.
innit
If you think Sanders' ideas are extreme, you have literally no chance of solving the economic crisis, and that might be 1/10 to 1/100th the size of the climate crisis.
Sakuna
lol barabbas
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tomatobodhi
we don't have to be quick to kickban people... the /ignore features work just fine
tomatobodhi
oh, then in your shoes I'd kickban her... lol...
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tomatobodhi
My wife got her covid vaccine today.
tomatobodhi
Anticipating a long day tomorrow.
tomatobodhi
glkfan: Yes
tomatobodhi
She said it was surreal giving staff their vaccines day before yesterday. She said the pulmonologist cried when she gave him his shot.
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tomatobodhi
ChuckWagon: She's also a professor of nursing and from her reports, its too late for well-wishing.
tomatobodhi
ChuckWagon: Healthcare professionals' goodwill toward the general public has pretty much been used up.
MissBliss
If orbits are ‘falling with grace’, then why is the Moon moving away from Earth?
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idali
the non believers
tomatobodhi
healthcare workers are just frustrated with a non-compliant general public... not everyone, obviously, but a lot of non-compliance and stupid people who don't realize how stupid they are repeating stupidity online, etc.
tomatobodhi
good riddance to the moon
tomatobodhi
barabbas: no kidding
tomatobodhi
barabbas: I feel like those folks shouldn't get sterile fields for surgeries, either... since they don't believe in that stuff.
tomatobodhi
omb I could really go on a rant... *resisting, resisting*
tomatobodhi
barabbas: I told my wife they shouldn't ask them... just pull up their social media.
tomatobodhi
People mocking "face diapers" can just die on the hospital lawn.
tomatobodhi
Kepler's laws
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MissBliss
Thank you, glkfan. That was always rather mysterious to me.
tomatobodhi
omb
tomatobodhi
glkfan: You have any links I can follow to learn more about the two centers of gravity of the moon you're describing?
tomatobodhi
;)
RenaissanceMan
glkfan: thank you. I was just about to get all pedenatic about that. :-P
RenaissanceMan
PEDANTIC. :-/
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tomatobodhi
thanks
MissBliss
The mathematics of orbits and gravity are a touch out of my brain’s orbit. But this would be because of the actual composition of the moon?
tomatobodhi
yeah, Force is proportional to (mass 1 x mass 2)/distance^2
tomatobodhi
so the side of one body facing another has a lower distance than the side of the body facing away
MissBliss nods.
MissBliss
You are good at explanations. :)
RenaissanceMan
An explanation of why the moon is getting further away: https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-12311119
tomatobodhi
barabbas: Yeah, but Dr. Fauci isn't an expert. Tell me what the average high-school graduate blue collar worker's facebook and tweets say about it...
tomatobodhi
:\
RenaissanceMan
The TLDR: The earth rotates, which moves the tides slightly ahead of the phase of the moon; the gravity(!) of the tides exerts an effect on the moon. Net result: the rotation of the earth slows down; the moon speeds up.
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RenaissanceMan
(sez the BBC. So it must be true!)
tomatobodhi
did the BBC *tweet* it?
tomatobodhi
THAT makes it official.
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RenaissanceMan
tomatobodhi: Sadly, not all of the worlds knowledge fits into 140 characters.
tomatobodhi
RenaissanceMan: all of most people's knowledge fits into 140 characters
RenaissanceMan
tomatobodhi: My optimism for the future of our species would be greatly increased if all of the world's knowledge did fit into 140 characters.
tomatobodhi
after they've spent that, they just post pictures of their meals
tomatobodhi
nah
RenaissanceMan
Absolutely nothing compared to what goes into a chicken mcnugget.
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RenaissanceMan
At least lips and bums are muscles.
tomatobodhi
I just avoid all things with "mechanically separated" in the ingredients list.
tomatobodhi
I live in chicken land.
innit
tomatobodhi: There is a very deep sickness in the American culture.
RenaissanceMan
Are insect body parts actually bad for you?
innit
Our society is so sick at this point it barely has any tools to try and combat the sickness.
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tomatobodhi
I've eaten cricket flour... bit dry.
tomatobodhi
When I was on the Navajo reservation working, we ate cicadas fried in honey.
innit
There's no need to eat most animals.
innit
A Buddhist should understand that.
tomatobodhi
crawdads deserve to be eaten
tomatobodhi
They are delicious and obviously did something terrible in a past life.
tomatobodhi
;)
innit
You're a Buddhist, right?
tomatobodhi
yeah
innit
How can you speak that way about other beings?
tomatobodhi
meh
tomatobodhi
eat lower on the food chain, be vegetarian if you can
innit
The food chain notion comes from Aristotle from about 300BCE.
innit
It's largely mythological.
innit
It's inherently theistic.
innit
Contemporary knowledge understands there are no gods.
tomatobodhi
yeah... you eat what you have
innit
Plants.
18:17 innit
We can plants.
innit
We can eat plants.*
innit
tomatobodhi: In Buddhist metaphysics, crawdads are beings the same as us that have accumulated negative merit.
tomatobodhi
teach me about buddhism please
innit
That sentiment is anti-Buddhist.
tomatobodhi
I never get tired of being taught about buddhism... as a buddhist.
innit
You should delight at meeting teachers wherever they are.
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innit
I will take a break from interacting with you, tomatobodhi.
innit
I don't think our mental states facilitate meaningful interaction at this time.