[3:20:56 PM] iplaytennislol: vr thread blows just delete it
[3:21:03 PM] iplaytennislol: we'll be the only tier without one
[3:21:06 PM] iplaytennislol: problem?
[3:21:06 PM] rozes: waters
[3:21:09 PM] rozes: what was the solrock
[3:21:10 PM] rozes: :(
[3:21:15 PM] iplaytennislol: wisp rocks
[3:21:17 PM] iplaytennislol: moonlight
[3:21:20 PM] iplaytennislol: smth
[3:21:29 PM] iplaytennislol: or whatever recovery move it gets
[3:22:50 PM] silverreaper21: Morning Sun I would assume
[3:22:54 PM] Evan: if we really wanted the VR to show the list of legitimately viable pokemon in NU rn, like something you'd actually put on a team
[3:23:00 PM] Evan: it would have half the mons it does now
[3:23:41 PM] Kiyo: i think thats a fair point too
[3:24:00 PM] Kiyo: but thats actually a list of VIABLE pokemon
[3:24:07 PM] Kiyo: based on the defninitnoi
[3:24:11 PM] Kiyo: which the vr curretnly isnt
[3:24:17 PM] Kiyo: the vr is legit just power rankings
[3:24:18 PM] Kiyo: for mons
[3:24:21 PM] Evan: its all just subjective on what people think viable means
[3:24:26 PM] iplaytennislol: y
[3:24:30 PM] Kiyo: its not subjective tho.
[3:24:34 PM] Kiyo: theres an objective
[3:24:34 PM] iplaytennislol: it is
[3:24:35 PM] iplaytennislol: lol
[3:24:36 PM] Kiyo: definition
[3:24:37 PM] Evan: i have a very different definition of viable in my head
[3:24:41 PM] Kiyo: people are just retarded
[3:24:45 PM] iplaytennislol: i mean
[3:24:45 PM] Evan: than NUSuperstar23
[3:24:47 PM] iplaytennislol: you're not wrong
[3:25:08 PM] rozes: evan kiyo
[3:25:08 PM] rozes: fight
[3:25:15 PM] Kiyo: no
[3:25:18 PM] Kiyo: tomorrow
[3:25:30 PM] Evan: like why's something like floatzel, which i wouldnt throw on a team in 100 years in this meta
[3:25:34 PM] Evan: higher than something like sliggoo
[3:25:34 PM] rozes: [2/19/16, 3:18:21 PM] old kiyo: o i already have my team for u
[2/19/16, 3:18:22 PM] old kiyo: LOL
[2/19/16, 3:18:25 PM] old kiyo: had it since week 1.
[3:25:36 PM] Evan: ?_?
[3:25:41 PM] iplaytennislol: that's for waters
[3:25:43 PM] iplaytennislol: idiot
[3:25:53 PM] iplaytennislol: sorry didn't mean to say that
[3:25:58 PM] iplaytennislol: that was quite rude.
[3:25:58 PM] rozes: yes you did
[3:25:59 PM] rozes: -.-
[3:26:06 PM] iplaytennislol: yes but this way
[3:26:07 PM] Evan: ihateidiotslol
[3:26:11 PM] iplaytennislol: i still get to call you
[3:26:12 PM] iplaytennislol: an idiot
[3:26:17 PM] Kiyo: why is sandslash still ranked
[3:26:24 PM] Kiyo: its a spinner that doesnt spin on any ghost
[3:26:24 PM] Aaron: cus it can spin?
[3:26:24 PM] iplaytennislol: because reasons
[3:26:25 PM] iplaytennislol: BITCH
[3:26:31 PM] iplaytennislol: knock off
[3:26:31 PM] iplaytennislol: -
[3:26:34 PM] iplaytennislol: sd lum
[3:26:34 PM] iplaytennislol: -
[3:26:40 PM] Kiyo: and its a ground that doesnt check things its supposed to
[3:26:48 PM] iplaytennislol: im not saying id use it
[3:26:50 PM] iplaytennislol: but idk
[3:26:51 PM] Blast: blame holly
[3:26:56 PM] Evan: yea in my mind the VR should be like
[3:26:57 PM] Kiyo: exactly tennis
[3:27:02 PM] Kiyo: theres a difference between usability
[3:27:02 PM] Evan: half the mons and ordered by
[3:27:08 PM] Evan: high medium and low viability
[3:27:10 PM] Kiyo: and viability in a vaccuum
[3:27:30 PM] Kiyo: i.e. sandslash is technically viable in that it has a role only it performs. too bad that role no one ever needs fileld
[3:27:42 PM] Evan: also why's articuno on B
[3:27:49 PM] iplaytennislol: articuno is god
[3:27:50 PM] iplaytennislol: bro
[3:27:50 PM] Evan: its literally the least splashable mon
[3:27:53 PM] Evan: in the metagame
[3:27:56 PM] iplaytennislol: i mean
[3:28:00 PM] iplaytennislol: its still fucking good
[3:28:18 PM] Evan: i dont think a mon should be B rank if it doesnt fit on any teams
[3:28:29 PM] Evan: it has good attributes
[3:28:29 PM] iplaytennislol: .
[3:28:36 PM] Evan: but it needs to be on a team first
[3:28:40 PM] iplaytennislol: i mean
[3:28:43 PM] Evan: and doing that is practically impossible
[3:29:09 PM] iplaytennislol: i don't understand your logic
[3:29:43 PM] iplaytennislol: some pokemon you have to build around
[3:29:46 PM] iplaytennislol: i don't see a problem
[3:29:58 PM] Evan: you pretty much cant build a team around articuno because it doesnt provide any defensive utility and requires way to much support
[3:29:58 PM] Kiyo: i mean do we want a vr thats reflected by usage stats first
[3:30:07 PM] Kiyo: and then viability with a certain usage percentage
[3:30:13 PM] Kiyo: that seems like it could work?
[3:30:15 PM] Evan: by the time you cover all its weaknesses and support it
[3:30:17 PM] iplaytennislol: keep the vr the way it is
[3:30:18 PM] iplaytennislol: its fine
[3:30:22 PM] Evan: youre like 4 or 5 slots through
[3:30:23 PM] iplaytennislol: people are always gonna fucking complain
[3:30:25 PM] Evan: and your team sucks
[3:30:26 PM] Evan: ?_?
[3:30:27 PM] Kiyo: i mean i can just accept that the vr is shit
[3:30:27 PM] iplaytennislol: get used to it
[3:30:31 PM] Kiyo: and never post again
[3:30:32 PM] iplaytennislol: well
[3:30:34 PM] iplaytennislol: ok nvm
[3:30:34 PM] Kiyo: or i can try to fix it.
[3:30:37 PM] iplaytennislol: well
[3:30:52 PM] Hootie: i mean didn't the vr just get revamped not that long ago?
[3:30:54 PM] iplaytennislol: i thought you guys already tried to fix it
[3:30:58 PM] iplaytennislol: yh what hootie said
[3:31:06 PM] Kiyo: yes but everyone was a pussy
[3:31:09 PM] iplaytennislol: ah
[3:31:19 PM] Evan: "revamping" is like changing the mons placements around
[3:31:19 PM] Kiyo: legit i tried to move everything down to its rightful place
[3:31:23 PM] Kiyo: and people were like
[3:31:26 PM] Kiyo: "thats too harsh"
[3:31:29 PM] Kiyo: im like bitch
[3:31:30 PM] iplaytennislol: give an example
[3:31:32 PM] Evan: if you really wanna revamp you'll fix the system
[3:31:32 PM] Evan: D:
[3:31:32 PM] Kiyo: this shit is E
[3:31:39 PM] iplaytennislol: kiyo give an example
[3:31:39 PM] Hootie: oh you mean
[3:31:42 PM] Hootie: half the d ranks
[3:31:50 PM] Hootie: that were gone over
[3:32:28 PM] Kiyo: here tennis http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/oras-nu-viability-rankings-under-construction.3545276/page-10#post-6434040
[3:33:01 PM] Kiyo: id honestly just remove all of d and move everything down 1 spot if icould
[3:33:04 PM] Kiyo: from that post i mean
[3:33:10 PM] iplaytennislol: o
[3:33:32 PM] Shane Byrne: do the positions of the C and D rank mons really matter that much
[3:33:45 PM] Kiyo: nah its mroe the a and b in this case
[3:33:48 PM] Kiyo: but if u move those
[3:33:52 PM] Kiyo: then c and d get inflated
[3:33:52 PM] Kiyo: etc
[3:33:55 PM] Shane Byrne: like if i was looking at the rankings i would never scroll under the Bs
[3:34:01 PM] Shane Byrne: ah i see
[3:34:06 PM] Kiyo: they legit dont matter tho
[3:34:10 PM] Kiyo: if we could make a shitty mon vr
[3:34:12 PM] Kiyo: and a good mon vr
[3:34:15 PM] Kiyo: itd be nice
[3:34:16 PM] Evan: thats what im saying
[3:34:19 PM] Evan: if they dont matter
[3:34:25 PM] Evan: why are they included in the first place
[3:34:26 PM] James Burke: lets do a shitty player vr
[3:34:40 PM] James Burke: s tier: can
a tier: kiyo
b tier: tennis
[3:34:42 PM] Kiyo: like rt nu faces a challenge with its vr
[3:34:44 PM] Kiyo: cuz like
[3:34:46 PM] Shane Byrne: why not just get rid of the c rank
[3:34:48 PM] Kiyo: we have 140 or so mons ranked
[3:35:08 PM] Shane Byrne: like realistically does it serve any purpose
[3:35:09 PM] Kiyo: but only 40 maybe
[3:35:12 PM] Kiyo: deserve to be on a team
[3:35:23 PM] Hootie: i think c ranks are ok
[3:35:59 PM] iplaytennislol: what is marilli's problem with B again
[3:36:01 PM] iplaytennislol: im still confused
[3:36:03 PM] Kiyo: like s to a-
[3:36:07 PM] Kiyo: and then a few in b
[3:36:12 PM] Kiyo: are the only mons id use on a team
[3:36:15 PM] Kiyo: im not building around a mpokeon
[3:37:02 PM] iplaytennislol: can we delete d and e
[3:37:07 PM] iplaytennislol: ??
[3:37:22 PM] iplaytennislol: telling people that we rank larvesta
[3:37:22 PM] Hootie: why is e a thing
[3:37:25 PM] iplaytennislol: id rather kill myself
[3:37:29 PM] Hootie: why not D > unranked
[3:37:32 PM] Evan: larvesta was good
[3:37:35 PM] Evan: a metagame ago
[3:37:36 PM] iplaytennislol: was
[3:37:39 PM] iplaytennislol: when was that
[3:37:42 PM] iplaytennislol: i forget
[3:37:48 PM] Evan: pre aboma scept meta
[3:37:54 PM] iplaytennislol: what did people use it for
[3:37:59 PM] Evan: none of them ran rock slide
[3:37:59 PM] James Burke: being shit
[3:38:04 PM] Evan: so larvesta beat scept and sawk
[3:38:14 PM] Shane Byrne: people used it flor a small bit when abomasnow wasn't being hyped up
[3:38:18 PM] James Burke: ive been running stone edge on sawk
[3:38:20 PM] James Burke: since day 1
[3:38:22 PM] James Burke: catch up, nu
[3:38:23 PM] iplaytennislol: everyone does yabo
[3:38:24 PM] Evan: this was before abomasnow
[3:38:35 PM] Shane Byrne: wait really?
[3:38:44 PM] Evan: well yeah but edge sawk doesnt make scyther not a sawk switch in
[3:38:49 PM] iplaytennislol: RELICANTH IN C-
[3:38:51 PM] Hootie: there was point where i saw just eq, zen sawk
[3:38:51 PM] iplaytennislol: BULLSHIT
[3:38:53 PM] iplaytennislol: (cat)
[3:38:55 PM] Hootie: ^
[3:39:04 PM] iplaytennislol: relicanth for like B+
[3:39:06 PM] iplaytennislol: id post but you know
[3:39:06 PM] Hootie: that mon is actually decent
[3:39:07 PM] iplaytennislol: lazy
[3:39:09 PM] Blast: : 3
[3:39:15 PM] iplaytennislol: kiyo go post
[3:39:18 PM] Evan: see like i feel we can eliminate C-E ranks and some B mons
[3:39:22 PM] Evan: and then there'll always be
[3:39:28 PM] Evan: these flavour of the week mons
[3:39:31 PM] Evan: that gain viability
[3:39:42 PM] Evan: relicanth / electrode / etc
[3:39:47 PM] iplaytennislol: pawniard is C is bs btw too
[3:39:50 PM] Evan: at which point we rank and unrank
[3:39:51 PM] Hootie: electrode ?_?
[3:39:52 PM] Evan: accordingly
[3:39:52 PM] James Burke: pawn is shite
[3:39:56 PM] iplaytennislol: no its not
[3:39:58 PM] Kiyo: are you guys ok with me posting these logs in vr thread
[3:39:58 PM] James Burke: yes it is
[3:39:58 PM] iplaytennislol: you're crazy
[3:40:00 PM] Kiyo: and then making a tl dr
[3:40:05 PM] nico (mont): kiyo  we fixed it to your standards and now youre bitching again
[3:40:05 PM] Evan: sure
[3:40:11 PM] iplaytennislol: what if i say the word nigger
[3:40:14 PM] Kiyo: no we didnt fix it to my standards
[3:40:14 PM] James Burke: .
[3:40:15 PM] iplaytennislol: will that be in the log
[3:40:18 PM] Evan: just know that my opinion is a little
[3:40:19 PM] Evan: radical
[3:40:20 PM] Evan: D:
[3:40:22 PM] Blast: it's just gonna
[3:40:22 PM] Kiyo: that was the intention but u were pussies
[3:40:25 PM] Blast: filter it out
[3:40:25 PM] Kiyo: it took me forever
[3:40:28 PM] James Burke: jews always take things too far
[3:40:30 PM] James Burke: fuck tennis
[3:40:30 PM] Kiyo: to get u guys to make scyther a
[3:40:32 PM] iplaytennislol: LOL
[3:40:33 PM] Kiyo: and gurdurr b
[3:40:34 PM] Kiyo: and other shit
[3:40:37 PM] iplaytennislol: RELICANTH FOR S
[3:40:39 PM] iplaytennislol: MOHTERFUCKER
[3:40:41 PM] Kiyo: like it was an entire days affair
[3:40:43 PM] iplaytennislol: DOWN WITH THE SYSTEM
[3:40:43 PM] Kiyo: for each mon
[3:40:44 PM] Evan: i remember in pre-scept meta
[3:40:46 PM] iplaytennislol: HI VR PEOPLE
[3:40:47 PM] Kiyo: and the rankings themselves
[3:40:49 PM] Evan: holly wouldnt make floatzel
[3:40:50 PM] Evan: A-
[3:40:50 PM] iplaytennislol: HI BRANDONBEAST
[3:40:53 PM] Evan: when it was prolly
[3:40:53 PM] Kiyo: are conservative at beast
[3:40:55 PM] Kiyo: and no one uses them anyways
[3:40:58 PM] Evan: an A/A+ mon
[3:41:00 PM] Evan: in that meta
[3:41:02 PM] James Burke: cb head smash, ive been using that shit since day 1
[3:41:05 PM] iplaytennislol: -
[3:41:06 PM] James Burke: catch up, nu
[3:41:07 PM] iplaytennislol: yabo stfu
[3:41:08 PM] Hootie: lol
[3:41:20 PM] iplaytennislol: OMG
[3:41:24 PM] iplaytennislol: DRIFTBLIM IS IN C TOO
[3:41:25 PM] iplaytennislol: IM DONE
[3:41:28 PM] iplaytennislol: IM SO DONE
[3:41:29 PM] Kiyo: ok im c/ping now