Evangelion

[21:11]	lpf	so————!
[21:13]	lpf	the most interesting aspect is that behind the plot we are presented with, there are a lot of secrets and conspiracies. they are well foreshadowed by the scenes among nerv's important people obviously knowing more than the viewer and shinji do.
[21:14]	lpf	(for that matter, said scenes benefit from anno's directing style. very good. large rooms, people drawn as shadows or similar trick, succession of similar shots with different characters. giving an eerily vague feel. well used to boot.)
[21:14]	Chihaya	the atmosphere of the show was one of its stronger parts
[21:14]	Chihaya	also, I'm on skype and free if you want to talk now
[21:15]	lpf	the direction in these scenes was very utenian (while down to earth); and reminiscent of my own experience with kare kan(n)o.
[21:15]	lpf	i've had enough anime discussions with roriconfan to know that i embarrass myself when that slow thinking mind tries to put an argumentation forward.
[21:15]	Chihaya	utenaian?
[21:16]	altairdenebvega	>slow thinking mind
[21:16]	altairdenebvega	pls
[21:16]	altairdenebvega	you are (not) slower than yours truly
[21:17]	lpf	sometimes, a shot succeed to the other with a very short ellipses, or sometimes, two shots are composed very similarly but with different characters. you can also find the unnecessarily big rooms in which the characters talk (gendo's study, mostly)
[21:17]	Chihaya	>[Doremi].Smile.Precure!.38.[704x396].[67D4DDEA].avi
[21:17]	Chihaya	:D
[21:17]	Chihaya	>:D
[21:17]	lpf	hence utenian
[21:17]	lpf	ellipse*
[21:17]	lpf	so, back to these 'secrets'. this raises two issues.
[21:17]	Chihaya	I really need to re watch eva sometime
[21:18]	lpf	let me just think what was the 2nd i had in mind.
[21:18]	lpf	oh, yes.
[21:18]	lpf	two issues.
[21:18]	lpf	the first issue is the pacing, on the scale of the entire series.
[21:20]	lpf	i don't think these secrets should have waited for the later third of the series to be brought to light, or at least there had to be misato noticing things are wrong, investigating [although she did think something of the fake incident with the eva replica, but that was that] and then discovering (even if little) during the first 15 episodes.
[21:21]	Chihaya	that was one issue I had with the series as well, how a lot of information was basically witheld from the viewer for so long to create this air of mystery
[21:21]	Chihaya	then it was only in the latter half of the series that most things were brought to light
[21:22]	lpf	the second issue is that the plot is completely unfinished, and the actual hierarchy (conspiracies etc) is still widely unknown.
[21:22]	Chihaya	which if I recall correctly caused certain characters to have their motivates or justifications revealed far too late
[21:22]	Chihaya	yes, there were quite a few things left in the air
[21:22]	Chihaya	since the end of the series basically narrowed its scope down to Shinji's mentality while ignoring most other things brought up earlier
[21:23]	lpf	character-wise as well, i was expecting more information with respect to how gendo 'abandoned' shinji.
[21:23]	Chihaya	end of eva does offer some closure in the aspect of the hierachy/conspiracies, but largely turns into just a messier version of the original ending
[21:24]	Chihaya	yes, that too. It was just kind of implied that after Yui died, Gendou didn't want anything to do with Shinji and just left
[21:24]	Chihaya	but beyond that justification, not much was said about his motives till the end for the sake of keeping information from the audience
[21:26]	lpf	i liked the way his professional self disregards the entirety of what 'personal' self he has and he is rapidly and fully aware of the risks and sacrifices to be made when there is no other solution.
[21:26]	lpf	consistently depicted as such.
[21:27]	lpf	which the other characters often react differently, since they always try to find a cop out to the dramatic situations.
[21:27]	lpf	to which*
[21:28]	Chihaya	hmm, well that's an interesting angle of looking at his character
[21:28]	lpf	i also felt, but am unsure, that the later part of the series lost its focus on shinji.
[21:29]	lpf	so when it came back with kaoru (and the last two episodes, gah...), it was abrupt.
[21:29]	Chihaya	really? If anything it felt like it focused more on him
[21:29]	Chihaya	of course I could be remembering wrong
[21:29]	Chihaya	since there was some stuff about Rei, Asuka and the conspiracy with Kaiji in the latter half
[21:29]	lpf	after toji's accident his friends left and he had no one to interact with.
[21:29]	altairdenebvega	yeah I thought Shinji's depression became more promiment
[21:29]	Chihaya	right
[21:29]	lpf	i don't remember much more, in terms of internal dialogue.
[21:30]	Chihaya	and then asuka went into her coma
[21:30]	Chihaya	and the second rei sacrificed herself
[21:30]	lpf	i didn't like the individual fights against the angels so much.
[21:31]	altairdenebvega	... not even the dancing one?
[21:31]	lpf	good comedic relief
[21:31]	lpf	a lot of the tension relied solely on the characters saying that the operation was incredibly risky (yet few really failed)
[21:31]	Chihaya	I remember the second or third angel fight ending on quite a powerful note
[21:32]	lpf	and there was many convenient 'UNKNOWN SOURCE OF POWER'
[21:32]	lpf	being shinji's mom having her contractions
[21:32]	Chihaya	or the issue of the evas only being able to run for a limited amount of time
[21:32]	Chihaya	pfft
[21:32]	lpf	wait..
[21:32]	lpf	you say being in labour or somzething here
[21:33]	Chihaya	yeah, but people will know what you're talking about if you saying contractions
[21:33]	Chihaya	*say
[21:33]	lpf	labour market :3
[21:33]	Chihaya	looking back, there are many inconsistences and plot holes with eva
[21:33]	Chihaya	which are kind of hard to ignore considering they are things I will fault other series for
[21:33]	lpf	well, considering the stories regarding nerv
[21:34]	lpf	it was quite holed
[21:34]	lpf	but not in the 'inconsistent' sense...
[21:34]	Chihaya	the reedeming feature of eva for me was its atmosphere and how well it maintained it throughout
[21:34]	Chihaya	while using it to enhance shinji's (and the other characters) psychological trauma
[21:34]	lpf	i really mostly liked the not-too-numerous scenes with nerv's important people.
[21:35]	Chihaya	It's definitely a 6 focusing on the series' writing but gets bumped up a point for the atmosphere and personal attachment
[21:35]	Chihaya	since I feel shinji's situation will either resonate with people or complete turn them off from the series since such a large part of it focuses on his internal thoughts
[21:36]	Chihaya	though one could argue that the focus on character's internal thoughts is part of what makes it unique a
[21:36]	lpf	the only bit i was interested in for shinji was the few interaction he had with his father (seeing gendo and rei, being congratulated [and subsequently realising he was clinging to an infinitely small part of his], dismissing all the rest)
[21:36]	lpf	the only bit i was interested in for shinji was the few interaction he had with his father (seeing gendo and rei, being congratulated [and subsequently realising he was clinging to an infinitely small part of his, dismissing all the rest])
[21:36]	Chihaya	well his situation was ultimately believable, whether one feels that makes him relatable or the most dispicable being in the universe
[21:37]	lpf	how they i was interested in how they commune with themselves on a tomb with nobody underneath
[21:38]	lpf	on a grave
[21:38]	lpf	that piece of dialogue was really insightful
[21:38]	lpf	brb
[21:45]	lpf	also, the characters' internal monologue was very abstract and 'depicting' (as in they go nowhere in spite of there being trouble). i much prefer honey and clover's down to earth, and insightful thoughts—as in more than depicting, many parts are small epiphanies about their behaviour and relation with one another.
[21:45]	lpf	evangelion's setting allows for much more true drama
[21:45]	lpf	yes
[21:46]	lpf	but honey a clover (representative of the josei demographic i love) in opposition to most high school things, does not overdo the little drama there is