21:37] IIIlllIII: 	You here?
[21:37] OlliePie: 	Y
[21:38] IIIlllIII: 	Since the last part of that mail said to get in touch after that happens
[21:38] IIIlllIII: 	I wont reply to it
[21:38] IIIlllIII: 	but
[21:38] OlliePie: 	Oh that sounds bad
[21:41] IIIlllIII: 	The first part, About small dig and Awesomia you can ignore. If we dont have an agreement then its irrelevant
[21:41] IIIlllIII: 	you can do what you like
[21:41] OlliePie: 	K
[21:43] IIIlllIII: 	Secondly, about fort fights not being yours to fix but instead Salt and PU
[21:43] IIIlllIII: 	Strongly disagreed.
[21:43] IIIlllIII: 	Reason being, it was your problem that you had with PU which ended up in YOU booting them out, Not ours
[21:44] OlliePie: 	We didn't boot they left...
[21:45] IIIlllIII: 	00:26] TJ Tuttle: but we decided it would be worth getting rid of them to get rid of the drama and the problems they were creating
[21:46] IIIlllIII: 	Convo we had the other day
[21:46] OlliePie: 	We tried with salt. Current situation is back to it being our problem so ours to solve. No. We tried. We were met with obstructions and objections
[21:46] OlliePie: 	I said to them. At the height of their disruption if you don't like it here leave. They left we didn't boot
[21:46] IIIlllIII: 	What did you try with salt?
[21:47] IIIlllIII: 	Okay, regardless kicked or left. You both had an issue with each other. Thats fair?
[21:49] OlliePie: 	We tried talking we tried compromise we tried giving forts. We shed towns at their request. Noticed you hovered them up. We tried and did what salt asked. We re skilled, we found gear... What more can we do...
[21:53] IIIlllIII: 	Work with us
[21:53] IIIlllIII: 	It seems to be all PIO termss from the last part. 'Salt to end sharing with PU..'
[21:53] OlliePie: 	But you keep batting the ball back to our court
[21:53] IIIlllIII: 	Thats not going to solve it
[21:53] IIIlllIII: 	PU will loose all forts and still help Salt
[21:54] IIIlllIII: 	Then what next?
[21:54] OlliePie: 	We want freedom... Pu don't like us because they couldn't take over. They thought I was stupid cos not bothered by detail.
[21:57] OlliePie: 	Okay so you want us to work with you how. So far only suggestion was splitting up poineers
[21:57] IIIlllIII: 	Not Pioneers
[21:57] IIIlllIII: 	the whole world
[21:57] IIIlllIII: 	Salt,Pio and PU
[21:58] IIIlllIII: 	Just PIO would be unfair, just like it would be Spliiting just PU or Salt
[21:58] OlliePie: 	But none kf you or few turned up for this ff
[21:59] IIIlllIII: 	because its Awesomnia
[21:59] IIIlllIII: 	If you dug Salt, PU wouldnt do it
[21:59] IIIlllIII: 	Because of the dispute between you two
[22:00] IIIlllIII: 	Like i said, even if they had a choice, they would support Salt
[22:00] OlliePie: 	Tomorrow your day pu dug us not you... Us...
[22:00] OlliePie: 	But its up to us to solve.
[22:01] IIIlllIII: 	I mean, we can also Dig you but thatll be 2 FFs
[22:01] IIIlllIII: 	Do we want that?
[22:01] OlliePie: 	We tried and have been met with resistance and no communication. And when agreements made broken or not followed through
[22:02] IIIlllIII: 	Yes communication was poor in the past I noticed that
[22:03] IIIlllIII: 	And I cant speak about the past, just from when I was involved
[22:03] OlliePie: 	So can you not understand our being wary
[22:03] IIIlllIII: 	I do understand
[22:04] IIIlllIII: 	but its wrong for you to think its PU and Salts problem
[22:04] OlliePie: 	I don't want to split pioneers.. We have worked hard as a team and people have bonded we have a great core group I would be resistant to that changing
[22:05] IIIlllIII: 	I can say the same for Salt, we've been on the loosing side longer than anyone on this server. Theyve been through too much together to split up but hey. It was a suggestion, we dont have to agree
[22:07] OlliePie: 	We never said it was down to salt pu to solve. We have always been told its our problem we were too strong. Etc etc etc
[22:08] IIIlllIII: 	Its in the mail Ollie, 3rd para from bottom
[22:10] OlliePie: 	The part about new world that para
[22:11] IIIlllIII: 	Yes
[22:12] Henry: 	The battle is over. The chat room 'Awesomia' will be closed at 22:17:06.
[22:12] OlliePie: 	Open to interpretation... I read that differently
[22:14] IIIlllIII: 	[00:22] TJ Tuttle: I am done with "best for idaho" [00:23] TJ Tuttle: up to salt and pu to handle whats best for idaho [00:23] TJ Tuttle: not me
[22:14] OlliePie: 	He's tired of trying and getting blamed.
[22:14] IIIlllIII: 	No ones blaming him, well im not
[22:15] OlliePie: 	Not you but others....
[22:17] IIIlllIII: 	Ollie, Im only trying to help. I dont mind loosing as long as its a good FF but at this rate we wont get anywhere
[22:18] IIIlllIII: 	Convincing Salt is one thing and PU is another
[22:19] IIIlllIII: 	You might convince me to free play but you wont convince PU. Similar to your theory, theyll stay put and fight vs PIO
[22:19] OlliePie: 	I don't mind loosing but I will not have pioneers blamed for something that is a world problem. Not an alliance. And just because DF is pure ff town they do not lead this ally alone
[22:19] IIIlllIII: 	Correct, World problem
[22:20] IIIlllIII: 	Which is why a whole WORLD reshuffle is what I suggested but if Pio dont want it then thats fine
[22:20] IIIlllIII: 	I dont see PU or rest of Salt agreeing for what TJ posted in mail
[22:20] IIIlllIII: 	So unless we have any other choice here, this mess will remain as it is
[22:21] OlliePie: 	But so far since warhammer collapsed the blame has been firmly at pioneers door. We didn't create the problem. We were just better Organised and concistant more than salt etc
[22:21] OlliePie: 	No but he's tired of the blame
[22:21] IIIlllIII: 	Im not blaming him Ollie
[22:22] IIIlllIII: 	Like you said, world problem. Im not asking just PIO to split, everyone would. If agreed upon ofcurse
[22:22] IIIlllIII: 	but hear me out
[22:22] OlliePie: 	I know you are not.....
[22:22] IIIlllIII: 	I can MAYBE send 1 town from salt to help with your numbers
[22:23] IIIlllIII: 	Its not a promise as I havent discussed this with anyone yet
[22:23] OlliePie: 	Okay.
[22:23] IIIlllIII: 	But if that happened, that town will not work FOR pio, theyll work WITH
[22:24] IIIlllIII: 	No idea which town yet, but i can try if that works
[22:25] IIIlllIII: 	even a -10 from our side will be +10 your side thats a 20 turnaround
[22:25] IIIlllIII: 	should make a difference
[22:26] OlliePie: 	No town works for pioneers, always with we are not dictatorship
[22:27] IIIlllIII: 	Im glad, so I guess I can expect them to have a say in matters just like Goldrush, Socks etc
[22:27] OlliePie: 	But this will need to be spoken with the rest of leadership here.
[22:27] IIIlllIII: 	yes likewise
[22:29] OlliePie: 	I need to sleep