ZU CCAT Sept. 16 2018

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[10:56] ★5gen: Format of today's CCAT: Everyone will have a chance to submit a Pokemon or core in mind to build around, and then a poll is created to vote on which core or Pokemon we shall use. The one with the most votes will be the subject of today's build. Hf all
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[10:57] +ZUST DanDaMan99: Ooh
[10:57] +ZUST DanDaMan99: Do I pm you my submission?
[10:58] ★5gen: no we use this room
[10:58] +ZUST DanDaMan99: Cool
[10:58] ★5gen: when the ccat starts in ~30 mins
[10:58] +ZUST DanDaMan99: Gotcha
[10:59] DanDaMan99: Hi
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[10:59] DanDaMan99: Oh just checking I could talk on my main lol
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[11:00] +ZUST UC: it's the meta with or without stoutland 5gen ?
[11:01] ★5gen: with
[11:01] +ZUST UC: okioki
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[11:05] +lov ech ants: Tyty
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[11:24] ★5gen: we'll be starting in 5 minutes
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[11:29] +DanDaMan99: We starting?
[11:29] +DanDaMan99: Or at exactly 30 lol
[11:31] ★5gen: yes
we're starting
[11:31] ★5gen: what do you guys want to build around?
[11:32] +DanDaMan99: Lignite Dewott and Service
[11:32] +ZUST UC: dusclops
[11:32] +DanDaMan99: Servine
[11:32] +DanDaMan99: Pignite Dewott And Servine core
[11:32] +Lordkaren: Frogadier
[11:33] +lov ech ants: Frogs cool
[11:34] +lov ech ants: Sub Recover Meditite
[11:34] ★5gen: i'll add one of my own in as well
[11:34] +DanDaMan99: What about a fruitshop owner
[11:34] +lov ech ants: Meh he sucks
[11:34] +lov ech ants: Dont worry about him
[11:35] +a fruitshop owner: Hello
[11:35] +DanDaMan99: Nom anything?
[11:35] +a fruitshop owner: I got tagged
[11:35] +a fruitshop owner: Oh were starting
[11:35] +a fruitshop owner: Specs lapras
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[11:36] +lov ech ants: 4 Attacks machoke
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[11:38] +a fruitshop owner: Why sub recover medite?
[11:39] ★5gen: love chants submitted it. doubt it's good but i added it anyway
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 Poll ended What to build around?

1. Dusclops (0 votes)
 0%
2. Pignite+Dewott+Servine (1 vote)
 20%
3. Sub Recover Meditite (1 vote)
 20%
4. Rest-Talk Metang (1 vote)
 20%
5. Specs Lapras (2 votes)
 40%
6. AOA Machoke (0 votes)
 0%
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[11:43] +ZUST JdRDMS: do i get to vote on what we buil around?
[11:43] +a fruitshop owner: Sure
[11:43] ★5gen: the poll ended but i'll tally your vote anyway
[11:43] +ZUST JdRDMS: well what i wanted isn't there actually, so um, i'll vote 2
[11:43] ★5gen: the unova starters?
[11:44] +ZUST JdRDMS: yee
[11:44] ★5gen: we'll need a new poll then
[11:44] +ZUST JdRDMS: i would've voted grassy terrain but oh well
[11:44] +Lordkaren: Add frogadier too
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[11:46] +ayedan ㋛: Specs lapras sounds neat
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[11:47] ★5gen: it is pretty neat
[11:47] +DanDaMan99: Looks like it's what we're doing
[11:47] +ayedan ㋛: probably
[11:47] +ZUST JdRDMS: actually i gtg, but i might be back in time
[11:47] +ZUST JdRDMS: cya
[11:47] ★5gen: cya, no worries
 Poll ended Tierbreaker

1. Pignite/Dewott/Servine (1 vote)
 17%
2. Specs Lapras (3 votes)
 50%
3. Frogadier (Forgot this one first time around) (2 votes)
 33%
[11:48] ★5gen: We're building around Specs Lapras
[11:48] +ayedan ㋛: hmm
[11:48] +DanDaMan99: Cool
[11:48] ★5gen: !code
See code...
[11:48] ★5gen: i have this set in my builder
[11:49] +DanDaMan99: Hp fire for?
[11:49] +DanDaMan99: Seed?
[11:49] +DanDaMan99: No
[11:49] ★5gen: abomasnow
[11:49] +DanDaMan99: Ah
[11:49] ★5gen: fourth slot is somewhat flexible since it runs surf usually
[11:49] ★5gen: or frost breath
[11:49] +a fruitshop owner: run surf
[11:49] +DanDaMan99: Instead of pump
[11:49] +a fruitshop owner: http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7zu-791703697 lapras game
[11:49] +DanDaMan99: I like HP fire
[11:49] +a fruitshop owner: for what
[11:50] +a fruitshop owner: ferroseed
[11:50] +DanDaMan99: Smh Dan
[11:51] ★5gen: alright so Lapras is one of those Pokemon that can break well
[11:51] +ayedan ㋛: Absolute destruction fruitshop
[11:51] +ayedan ㋛: yes
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[11:51] +DanDaMan99: Why not add stoutland in then lol
[11:52] ★5gen: yeah it can take care of most stoutland checks
[11:52] ★5gen: its defensive checks
[11:53] ★5gen: what are some partners to add with Lapras?
[11:53] +ayedan ㋛: Hmm
[11:53] +BloodAce: an electric immunity seems vital
[11:53] +ayedan ㋛: what does lapras normally have trouble with?
[11:53] +ayedan ㋛: Maybe we can build a sand team with lapras
[11:53] +DanDaMan99: I like a rain team
[11:54] +DanDaMan99: Armaldo would be good
[11:54] ★5gen: lapras doesn't really fit well on weather teams
[11:54] ★5gen: lapras has trouble with faster pokemon mainly
[11:54] +DanDaMan99: I still like armaldo
[11:54] +a fruitshop owner: fighting resist
[11:54] ★5gen: fighting- and electric-types, and rocks as well
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[11:55] +ayedan ㋛: So a defensive ground type
[11:55] +ZUST UC: Probopass ?
[11:55] +ZUST UC: we can use camerupt/stunfisk too
[11:55] +Lordkaren: He really needs a monferno switchin imo
[11:55] +ZUST UC: Camerupt isn't bad actually
[11:55] ★5gen: the issue i find with lapras teams is that lapras has quite a few weaknesses by virtue of its typing and speed
[11:55] +lov ech ants: Yourr going to want
[11:55] +lov ech ants: Tspike Absorber
[11:55] +a fruitshop owner: lapras is kinda fat tho
[11:55] ★5gen: and when you pair it up with other pokes you've gotta account for those weaknesses
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[11:55] +a fruitshop owner: it doesnt get one shot by everything
[11:55] +DanDaMan99: Camerupt seems ok
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[11:55] ★5gen: true
[11:56] +DanDaMan99: Maybe pair with a flying
[11:56] +lov ech ants: Also
[11:56] +Lordkaren: Roselia seems like a great partner being able to absorb tspikes
[11:56] +lov ech ants: Twave Spam would be nice
[11:56] +a fruitshop owner: tru
[11:56] +lov ech ants: Yeah rose might be good
[11:56] +a fruitshop owner: toxic but nice n_n
[11:56] +lov ech ants: Stun Spore Rose.
[11:56] +ayedan ㋛: Hippo
[11:56] +ayedan ㋛: y/n
[11:57] +DanDaMan99: So then we go sand?
[11:57] +a fruitshop owner: eh
[11:57] +Lordkaren: It switches and beats golem and monferno so i guess yes?
[11:57] +ayedan ㋛: Checks fighting types like ferno, electric types with typing, and rock types
[11:57] +lov ech ants: Lapras doesnt like the extra chip
[11:57] +a fruitshop owner: rotom fan
[11:57] +lov ech ants: From sand
[11:57] +lov ech ants: But it could work
[11:57] +lov ech ants: I like rotomfan
[11:57] +ayedan ㋛: Rotom fan could work as well
[11:57] +a fruitshop owner: would be a decent partner
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[11:58] ★5gen: obviously we can use more than 1 from here
[11:58] +DanDaMan99: Tbh both
[11:58] ★5gen: i.e we aren't restricted just to the one that wins
[11:59] +Lordkaren: Ill brb
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 Poll ended So Lapras' partner will be?

1. Armaldo (1 vote)
 13%
2. Probopass (0 votes)
 0%
3. Camerupt (1 vote)
 13%
4. Stunfisk (0 votes)
 0%
5. Stoutland (2 votes)
 25%
6. Stun Spore Roselia (2 votes)
 25%
7. Rotom-Fan (2 votes)
 25%
[12:01] ★5gen: so do we want to add all three or pick just one or two from Stout, Rose, and Rotom-fan?
[12:02] +lov ech ants: Probs one
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[12:02] +ponx: Oh
[12:02] +ponx: Can i vote?
[12:02] +lov ech ants: Yeah
[12:02] +ponx: Stoutland
[12:02] +lov ech ants: :/
[12:02] +lov ech ants: Stout wims then
[12:02] +DanDaMan99: In it goes
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[12:03] +ayedan ㋛: I keep timing out
[12:03] +ayedan ㋛: :weary:
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1. Stoutland (2 votes)
 33%
2. Stun Spore Roselia (2 votes)
 33%
3. Rotom-Fan (2 votes)
 33%
[12:04] ★5gen: welp
[12:05] ★5gen: stoutland appreciates what Lapras can break through and doesn't really add a lot for Lapras outside of busting through special walls
[12:06] ★5gen: Stun Spore Roselia provides a more supportive role and is able to absorb Tspikes whilst providing Lapras with Speed control and checking Electric-types to an extent
[12:07] ★5gen: rotom-fan is able to check fighting-types really well and can help bring Lapras in with Volt Switch, as well as removing hazards with Defog
[12:07] ★5gen: which one should we go with?
[12:08] +ayedan ㋛: uh
[12:08] +ayedan ㋛: i think stout or fan work
[12:08] +ayedan ㋛: i dont like roselia much
[12:09] ★5gen: i think roselia
[12:09] +ZUST UC: roselia is a lurantis switch in
[12:09] +ZUST UC: which is nice
[12:09] ★5gen: won't do a lot apart from those aforementioned traits
[12:10] ★5gen: rotom-fan can also check lurantis, albeit worse due to rose x4 resist to leaf storm
[12:11] ★5gen: having two breakers with lapras+stout might be slightly restrictive
[12:11] ★5gen: tom-fan is worrisome too in the sense that it compounds the rock and electric-type weakness
[12:11] ★5gen: since it can't touch electric-types outside of wisp typically
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 Poll ended Lapras partner

1. Rotom-Fan (1 vote)
 50%
2. Stoutland (1 vote)
 50%
3. Stun Spore Roselia (0 votes)
 0%
[12:14] ★5gen: let's go with stoutland and tom-fan then
[12:14] +ayedan ㋛: Woah
[12:15] ★5gen: team rn https://pokepast.es/e7439b9f26fc0857
we are now onto the fourth Pokemon
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[12:17] ★5gen: team needs a rocker and a rock-type check
[12:17] ★5gen: also needs a normal resist and something for frostom
[12:17] +ZUST JdRDMS: maybe... silvally-ground?
[12:18] +ZUST JdRDMS: for rock check?
[12:18] ★5gen: defog silv-ground sounds cool
[12:18] ★5gen: or even sd
[12:18] +ZUST JdRDMS: silvally-flying
[12:19] +ayedan ㋛: Wouldnt frustration be safer on stout?
[12:19] +ayedan ㋛: just in case ditto
[12:19] ★5gen: yeah
[12:19] ★5gen: can change it
[12:19] +ZUST JdRDMS: gosh dang it the moderated chat thing started working lol
[12:19] ★5gen: so we going with silv-ground?
Modchat is already set to false.
[12:20] +ayedan ㋛: Ig
[12:20] ★5gen: https://pokepast.es/f744b209ba61b5ab how does it look?
[12:20] +ZUST JdRDMS: sure
[12:20] +ZUST JdRDMS: i like it
[12:21] ★5gen: now we need a rocker, normal resist, fire-type check, and some speed
[12:21] ★5gen: and something to pressure frostom
[12:21] +ZUST JdRDMS: alolantrio for fire check?
[12:22] ★5gen: i'm thinking metang as the rocker
[12:22] ★5gen: duggy-a can only check them offensively
[12:22] ★5gen: i think we need a switch-in here
[12:22] ★5gen: alternatively
[12:23] ★5gen: we can go silvally-dragon and add trapper sr probopass since it can beat bronzor for both lapras and stoutland
[12:24] +ayedan ㋛: ye
[12:24] +ayedan ㋛: i like that
[12:26] ★5gen: https://pokepast.es/995b918689820196
[12:26] ★5gen: team looks relatively decent
[12:27] ★5gen: mime and kecleon matchup isn't so hot
[12:27] ★5gen: same with golem/smash crustle
[12:28] +ayedan ㋛: Maybe ground sivally?
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[12:28] +ZUSToutland: cool
[12:28] +ZUST JdRDMS: we already have that p sure
[12:28] +ayedan ㋛: N
[12:28] +ayedan ㋛: its dragon
[12:28] ★5gen: check the paste
[12:28] +ZUST JdRDMS: hmm
[12:28] +ZUST JdRDMS: i have both open still
[12:28] +ZUST JdRDMS: lol
[12:28] ★5gen: silv-dragon provides a much needed fire and water check
[12:28] +ayedan ㋛: Yes
[12:29] +ayedan ㋛: So we need a defensive ground type?
[12:29] ★5gen: what would that bring to the team?
[12:29] +ZUSToutland: surprised you dont just make Stout Rand Rush and add Hippo
[12:29] ★5gen: rn we're kind of slow
[12:29] +ayedan ㋛: i suggested that earlier
[12:29] ★5gen: that's a neat idea
[12:30] +ayedan ㋛: but we wanted fan
[12:30] +ayedan ㋛: oh?
[12:30] JdRDMS: voice me?
[12:30] ★5gen: but then the team loses probo
[12:30] +ayedan ㋛: Ye
Did you mean "/roomvoice" or "/globalvoice"?
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[12:30] +JdRDMS: thanks
[12:30] ★5gen: np
[12:30] ★5gen: ok so how about we have two versions
[12:31] ★5gen: for this version https://pokepast.es/995b918689820196
[12:31] ★5gen: honestly i'm thinking of going scarf rotom-fan and then adding defog phys def lurantis
[12:32] ★5gen: or scarf leafeon as the sixth
[12:33] +ayedan ㋛: hm
[12:33] ★5gen: and then for the other version, we can go lapras/sand rush stoutland/hippo/mago rotom-fan/silvally-dragon/filler
[12:33] +ayedan ㋛: i like the hippo rush stout
[12:33] ★5gen: it would be semi-dan with eviolite hippo
[12:33] ★5gen: cool
[12:33] +ayedan ㋛: hippo can add a check to the mentioned smash crustle and golem
[12:34] ★5gen: definitely
[12:34] ★5gen: https://pokepast.es/41cff4f4a2dc157e version 1 with scarf leafeon
[12:36] ★5gen: do we want to make stoutland LO or CB on the sand version?
[12:36] +JdRDMS: do Life Orb / Choice Band
[12:36] +ayedan ㋛: i like both
[12:36] +ayedan ㋛: but prefer orb on sand
[12:36] +JdRDMS: i prefer orb in general tbh
[12:36] +JdRDMS: i don't really like choice items
[12:36] ★5gen: !code
See code...
Lapras @ Choice Specs
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 120 HP / 252 SpA / 136 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Hydro Pump
- Freeze-Dry
- Ice Beam
- Hidden Power [Fire]

Stoutland @ Life Orb
Ability: Sand Rush
Happiness: 0
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Frustration
- Facade
- Superpower
- Pursuit

Hippopotas @ Eviolite
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Slack Off
- Earthquake
- Whirlwind

Rotom-Fan @ Mago Berry
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Volt Switch
- Air Slash
- Will-O-Wisp
- Defog

Silvally-Dragon @ Dragon Memory
Ability: RKS System
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Draco Meteor
- Flamethrower
- Defog
- U-turn

[12:36] +ZUSToutland: semi-dan
[12:36] ★5gen: here is the sand version so far
[12:37] +ayedan ㋛: Hm
[12:37] ★5gen: we just need a sixth
[12:37] ★5gen: team is very frostom weak
[12:37] +ayedan ㋛: Frost is a probelm
[12:37] ★5gen: how about
[12:38] ★5gen: mago offensive grumpig?
[12:38] +ayedan ㋛: Sounds good
[12:38] +JdRDMS: silvally-ice could work
[12:38] +JdRDMS: SD Fire Fang
[12:38] +ayedan ㋛: Spdef?
[12:38] ★5gen: !code
See code...
[12:39] +ayedan ㋛: Hm
[12:39] ★5gen: we already have silvally-dragon and icevally isn't a good frostom answer unfortunately
[12:39] +JdRDMS: yeah true
[12:39] ★5gen: with grumpig though, kecleon is a problem
[12:40] +ayedan ㋛: oof
[12:40] ★5gen: hippo walls it though
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[12:41] ★5gen: 252+ Atk Protean Kecleon Drain Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Hippopotas: 88-105 (25.8 - 30.8%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
[12:41] ★5gen: after tanking knock
[12:41] +ayedan ㋛: ye
[12:42] +lov ech ants: Probo team is v weak to stout
[12:42] +lov ech ants: Sand Stout
[12:42] ★5gen: can't really think of something better than grumpig
[12:42] +lov ech ants: I have a hippo spread
[12:42] +ayedan ㋛: is av muk a thing
[12:42] +lov ech ants: Sadly im on mobile
[12:42] ★5gen: not really
[12:42] +ayedan ㋛: damn
[12:42] +ayedan ㋛: seems like a decent check
[12:42] ★5gen: lovechants that first team is weak to stout
[12:42] +ayedan ㋛: ^
[12:42] +ayedan ㋛: Every team is :^
[12:43] +lov ech ants: Run tang
[12:43] +lov ech ants: Ez fix
[12:44] ★5gen: doesn't really fit w/o sacrificing speed control
[12:45] ★5gen: lapras+stoutland sand https://pokepast.es/7115012692660ac4
[12:46] +ayedan ㋛: Looks p good
[12:46] +ayedan ㋛: are we done?
[12:47] ★5gen: think so
[12:47] ★5gen: thank you for everyone for coming out
[12:47] +ayedan ㋛: thank u
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