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  8. I often wonder
  9. about the nature of reality,
  10.  
  11. 2
  12. 00:00:34,924 --> 00:00:37,202
  13. about our relationship
  14. to the creative force
  15.  
  16. 3
  17. 00:00:37,237 --> 00:00:40,688
  18. that forged the particles of
  19. our stars and intertwined them
  20.  
  21. 4
  22. 00:00:40,723 --> 00:00:42,621
  23. with the molecules
  24. of our bodies.
  25.  
  26. 5
  27. 00:00:43,277 --> 00:00:45,175
  28. Who are we,
  29.  
  30. 6
  31. 00:00:45,210 --> 00:00:48,351
  32. and where are we actually sitting within
  33. the architecture of our universe?
  34.  
  35. 7
  36. 00:00:48,386 --> 00:00:49,766
  37. Are we alone?
  38.  
  39. 8
  40. 00:00:49,801 --> 00:00:52,976
  41. Or is the answer simply
  42. stranger than we can think?
  43.  
  44. 9
  45. 00:00:53,805 --> 00:00:56,152
  46. My name is Jeremy Corbell.
  47.  
  48. 10
  49. 00:00:56,186 --> 00:00:59,155
  50. I seek to weaponize
  51. your curiosity.
  52.  
  53. 11
  54. 00:00:59,189 --> 00:01:02,883
  55. And if you're ready to
  56. suspend your own prejudice,
  57.  
  58. 12
  59. 00:01:02,917 --> 00:01:06,645
  60. welcome to the world
  61. ofExtraordinary Beliefs.
  62.  
  63. 13
  64. 00:01:42,854 --> 00:01:45,305
  65. This week, we've heard the
  66. contention of UFO researchers
  67.  
  68. 14
  69. 00:01:45,339 --> 00:01:47,824
  70. that there's a secret government
  71. within our government.
  72.  
  73. 15
  74. 00:01:47,859 --> 00:01:49,895
  75. Well,
  76. there are several...
  77.  
  78. 16
  79. 00:01:49,930 --> 00:01:52,933
  80. Actually nine flying saucers,
  81.  
  82. 17
  83. 00:01:52,967 --> 00:01:57,040
  84. flying discs that are out there
  85. of extraterrestrial origin.
  86.  
  87. 18
  88. 00:02:29,694 --> 00:02:34,043
  89. Not to burst your bubble, but the
  90. Earth is not the center of the universe.
  91.  
  92. 19
  93. 00:02:34,940 --> 00:02:36,425
  94. At least not anymore.
  95.  
  96. 20
  97. 00:02:39,669 --> 00:02:42,707
  98. You are not the star
  99. of your own movie.
  100.  
  101. 21
  102. 00:02:42,741 --> 00:02:45,019
  103. Humans are not
  104. the top of the food chain.
  105.  
  106. 22
  107. 00:02:45,813 --> 00:02:47,781
  108. And fate is a fantasy.
  109.  
  110. 23
  111. 00:02:48,782 --> 00:02:50,715
  112. But I can't prove any of this,
  113.  
  114. 24
  115. 00:02:51,405 --> 00:02:53,752
  116. even if I wanted to.
  117.  
  118. 25
  119. 00:02:53,787 --> 00:03:00,207
  120. There is an indefinable
  121. mysterious power that pervades everything.
  122.  
  123. 26
  124. 00:03:00,241 --> 00:03:03,313
  125. I feel it,
  126. though I do not see it.
  127.  
  128. 27
  129. 00:03:03,348 --> 00:03:08,249
  130. It is this unseen power
  131. which makes itself felt.
  132.  
  133. 28
  134. 00:03:08,284 --> 00:03:14,704
  135. There is an indefinable mysterious
  136. power that pervades everything.
  137.  
  138. 29
  139. 00:03:14,739 --> 00:03:17,500
  140. I feel it,
  141. though I do not see it.
  142.  
  143. 30
  144. 00:03:17,535 --> 00:03:22,332
  145. It is this unseen power
  146. which makes itself felt.
  147.  
  148. 31
  149. 00:03:22,367 --> 00:03:23,368
  150. There is...
  151.  
  152. 32
  153. 00:03:50,291 --> 00:03:53,260
  154. Reality simply
  155. isn't what it used to be.
  156.  
  157. 33
  158. 00:03:53,294 --> 00:03:55,089
  159. Things are not
  160. what they seem.
  161.  
  162. 34
  163. 00:03:56,332 --> 00:03:59,887
  164. Everything around us
  165. is a mental construct.
  166.  
  167. 35
  168. 00:03:59,922 --> 00:04:01,924
  169. We create
  170. our own reality.
  171.  
  172. 36
  173. 00:04:02,994 --> 00:04:05,099
  174. Breaking that down
  175. is hard to do.
  176.  
  177. 37
  178. 00:04:06,446 --> 00:04:07,861
  179. And once it's done,
  180.  
  181. 38
  182. 00:04:08,551 --> 00:04:10,208
  183. there ain't no coming back.
  184.  
  185. 39
  186. 00:04:15,524 --> 00:04:18,596
  187. What happens to people when
  188. their fundamental beliefs,
  189.  
  190. 40
  191. 00:04:18,630 --> 00:04:21,219
  192. the bedrock of their
  193. understanding,
  194.  
  195. 41
  196. 00:04:21,253 --> 00:04:24,187
  197. explodes into
  198. a million fucking pieces.
  199.  
  200. 42
  201. 00:04:24,222 --> 00:04:27,777
  202. When something comes careening
  203. from out of the blue
  204.  
  205. 43
  206. 00:04:27,812 --> 00:04:30,193
  207. and it messes with
  208. everything we know.
  209.  
  210. 44
  211. 00:04:32,610 --> 00:04:35,544
  212. How do we react?
  213.  
  214. 45
  215. 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:52,552
  216. There is an indefinable
  217. mysterious power that pervades everything.
  218.  
  219. 46
  220. 00:05:53,587 --> 00:05:56,452
  221. Beliefs
  222. are mercurial things.
  223.  
  224. 47
  225. 00:05:56,486 --> 00:06:00,560
  226. They direct our lives and
  227. choices, moment by moment.
  228.  
  229. 48
  230. 00:06:01,630 --> 00:06:04,978
  231. This doorway is to
  232. the imagination emporium.
  233.  
  234. 49
  235. 00:06:06,289 --> 00:06:09,223
  236. Harness the hunches
  237. polished with proof.
  238.  
  239. 50
  240. 00:06:09,258 --> 00:06:12,088
  241. They're like clothing
  242. you can't afford.
  243.  
  244. 51
  245. 00:06:12,123 --> 00:06:15,609
  246. They elevate us,
  247. yet they're not ours to keep.
  248.  
  249. 52
  250. 00:06:15,644 --> 00:06:19,199
  251. We discard them when they no
  252. longer serve our needs.
  253.  
  254. 53
  255. 00:06:19,233 --> 00:06:22,374
  256. Or we find out they
  257. weren't real at all.
  258.  
  259. 54
  260. 00:06:25,239 --> 00:06:27,483
  261. This story is extraordinary.
  262.  
  263. 55
  264. 00:06:29,002 --> 00:06:30,624
  265. Especially if it's true.
  266.  
  267. 56
  268. 00:06:32,039 --> 00:06:33,972
  269. And it all started
  270. in the desert,
  271.  
  272. 57
  273. 00:06:34,007 --> 00:06:35,491
  274. just north of Las Vegas.
  275.  
  276. 58
  277. 00:07:08,835 --> 00:07:11,769
  278. Area 51, the most
  279. secretive spots on the planet
  280.  
  281. 59
  282. 00:07:11,803 --> 00:07:14,772
  283. is located on the north-east
  284. edge of the Nevada test site
  285.  
  286. 60
  287. 00:07:14,806 --> 00:07:17,740
  288. and is said to be where numerous
  289. top-secret weapon systems
  290.  
  291. 61
  292. 00:07:17,775 --> 00:07:19,362
  293. have been tested
  294. over the years.
  295.  
  296. 62
  297. 00:07:19,397 --> 00:07:21,571
  298. According to some
  299. UFO researchers,
  300.  
  301. 63
  302. 00:07:21,606 --> 00:07:25,610
  303. it's also where the government
  304. is test-flying alien spacecraft.
  305.  
  306. 64
  307. 00:07:25,645 --> 00:07:28,164
  308. It sounds pretty far out,
  309. but some Las Vegas residents
  310.  
  311. 65
  312. 00:07:28,199 --> 00:07:31,098
  313. report having seen
  314. these flying saucers.
  315.  
  316. 66
  317. 00:07:31,133 --> 00:07:33,618
  318. A local scientist
  319. who says he worked at Groom Lake
  320.  
  321. 67
  322. 00:07:33,653 --> 00:07:36,379
  323. and saw the saucers joins us
  324. in tonight's interview.
  325.  
  326. 68
  327. 00:07:36,414 --> 00:07:39,141
  328. He has asked that
  329. his identity be shielded.
  330.  
  331. 69
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  333. Sir, how do we know you are
  334. who you say you are
  335.  
  336. 70
  337. 00:07:41,350 --> 00:07:45,009
  338. and that you actually have knowledge
  339. about what's going on at Groom Lake?
  340.  
  341. 71
  342. 00:07:45,043 --> 00:07:49,116
  343. Well, I guess there's no
  344. way you could really know. Uh...
  345.  
  346. 72
  347. 00:07:49,151 --> 00:07:52,568
  348. Uh, there's really no way I can prove
  349. it without revealing my identity
  350.  
  351. 73
  352. 00:07:52,602 --> 00:07:55,571
  353. and getting myself into more
  354. trouble than I have already.
  355.  
  356. 74
  357. 00:07:55,605 --> 00:07:57,918
  358. Exactly
  359. what's going on up there?
  360.  
  361. 75
  362. 00:07:57,953 --> 00:08:01,957
  363. Well, there are
  364. several, actually nine
  365.  
  366. 76
  367. 00:08:01,991 --> 00:08:07,687
  368. flying saucers, flying discs that are
  369. out there of extraterrestrial origin,
  370.  
  371. 77
  372. 00:08:07,721 --> 00:08:10,379
  373. and they're being test-flown
  374.  
  375. 78
  376. 00:08:11,691 --> 00:08:13,209
  377. and basically just analyzed.
  378.  
  379. 79
  380. 00:08:13,244 --> 00:08:17,041
  381. You say there're nine
  382. saucers. How are those tests going?
  383.  
  384. 80
  385. 00:08:17,835 --> 00:08:19,526
  386. As far as what?
  387.  
  388. 81
  389. 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:22,943
  390. As far as whether they're
  391. successful and that sort of thing.
  392.  
  393. 82
  394. 00:08:22,978 --> 00:08:27,776
  395. Oh, well, some of them are
  396. 100% intact and operate perfectly.
  397.  
  398. 83
  399. 00:08:28,984 --> 00:08:30,882
  400. The other ones
  401. are being taken apart.
  402.  
  403. 84
  404. 00:08:30,917 --> 00:08:34,575
  405. I was involved mainly in
  406. propulsion and the power source.
  407.  
  408. 85
  409. 00:08:34,610 --> 00:08:36,198
  410. Where did we
  411. get these saucers,
  412.  
  413. 86
  414. 00:08:36,232 --> 00:08:38,407
  415. how did they come into
  416. the hands of the government?
  417.  
  418. 87
  419. 00:08:38,441 --> 00:08:40,098
  420. I haven't the slightest idea
  421.  
  422. 88
  423. 00:08:40,133 --> 00:08:44,068
  424. and, you have to understand, the
  425. information is very compartmentalized,
  426.  
  427. 89
  428. 00:08:44,102 --> 00:08:46,760
  429. and I was only
  430. allowed information
  431.  
  432. 90
  433. 00:08:46,795 --> 00:08:49,521
  434. that pertained particularly
  435. to what I was involved in.
  436.  
  437. 91
  438. 00:08:49,556 --> 00:08:52,283
  439. But, I mean, couldn't
  440. our government have made them
  441.  
  442. 92
  443. 00:08:52,317 --> 00:08:54,457
  444. as opposed to getting them
  445. from some alien beings?
  446.  
  447. 93
  448. 00:08:54,492 --> 00:08:57,391
  449. Totally impossible.
  450. Uh...
  451.  
  452. 94
  453. 00:08:57,426 --> 00:09:01,050
  454. The propulsion system is
  455. a gravity propulsion system,
  456.  
  457. 95
  458. 00:09:01,085 --> 00:09:03,397
  459. the power source is
  460. an antimatter reactor.
  461.  
  462. 96
  463. 00:09:03,432 --> 00:09:05,883
  464. This technology
  465. does not exist at all.
  466.  
  467. 97
  468. 00:09:05,917 --> 00:09:09,265
  469. In fact, one of the reasons that I'm
  470. going forward with this information,
  471.  
  472. 98
  473. 00:09:09,300 --> 00:09:11,681
  474. it's not only a crime
  475. against the American people,
  476.  
  477. 99
  478. 00:09:11,716 --> 00:09:13,891
  479. it's a crime against
  480. the scientific community,
  481.  
  482. 100
  483. 00:09:13,925 --> 00:09:15,651
  484. which I've been
  485. part of for some time,
  486.  
  487. 101
  488. 00:09:15,685 --> 00:09:17,929
  489. who are actively trying to
  490. duplicate these systems,
  491.  
  492. 102
  493. 00:09:17,964 --> 00:09:22,451
  494. yet they are in existence now and
  495. basically in the hands of the government.
  496.  
  497. 103
  498. 00:09:22,485 --> 00:09:24,694
  499. What would happen
  500. to you if the government learned
  501.  
  502. 104
  503. 00:09:24,729 --> 00:09:27,836
  504. that you were giving us
  505. this information?
  506.  
  507. 105
  508. 00:09:27,870 --> 00:09:32,288
  509. Anything could happen, I don't know,
  510. it's... I haven't the slightest idea.
  511.  
  512. 106
  513. 00:09:32,323 --> 00:09:35,567
  514. You said... You
  515. referred to getting into trouble,
  516.  
  517. 107
  518. 00:09:35,602 --> 00:09:38,536
  519. have you had some
  520. repercussions already?
  521.  
  522. 108
  523. 00:09:38,570 --> 00:09:42,160
  524. Yeah, I've been threatened
  525. with being charged with espionage,
  526.  
  527. 109
  528. 00:09:42,195 --> 00:09:46,337
  529. I've had my life threatened by them,
  530. my wife's life threatened by them.
  531.  
  532. 110
  533. 00:09:46,371 --> 00:09:47,717
  534. And...
  535.  
  536. 111
  537. 00:09:47,752 --> 00:09:50,375
  538. I mean, I don't know where
  539. else you can go from there.
  540.  
  541. 112
  542. 00:09:50,410 --> 00:09:51,791
  543. Well, I want
  544. to thank you for joining us.
  545.  
  546. 113
  547. 00:09:51,825 --> 00:09:53,585
  548. Pretty interesting stuff
  549. you've got to say.
  550.  
  551. 114
  552. 00:09:53,620 --> 00:09:55,415
  553. Thank you.
  554. Thank you, sir.
  555.  
  556. 115
  557. 00:09:55,449 --> 00:09:56,865
  558. We'll have more news
  559. in just a moment.
  560.  
  561. 116
  562. 00:09:56,899 --> 00:09:58,832
  563. Now, first we
  564. go to Dan Rather in Beijing
  565.  
  566. 117
  567. 00:09:58,867 --> 00:10:01,386
  568. for a look ahead
  569. at theCBS Evening News.
  570.  
  571. 118
  572. 00:10:01,421 --> 00:10:03,561
  573. CBS Evening News,
  574. from China.
  575.  
  576. 119
  577. 00:10:03,595 --> 00:10:05,805
  578. We'll have
  579. extensive coverage...
  580.  
  581. 120
  582. 00:10:12,190 --> 00:10:16,056
  583. The live interview with the
  584. shadowy Dennis drew international attention.
  585.  
  586. 121
  587. 00:10:16,091 --> 00:10:19,819
  588. Portions were broadcast by radio
  589. in six European countries
  590.  
  591. 122
  592. 00:10:19,853 --> 00:10:23,995
  593. and in a nationally televised
  594. TV special in Japan.
  595.  
  596. 123
  597. 00:10:24,030 --> 00:10:29,173
  598. Despite numerous inquiries and feelers,
  599. Dennis has remained anonymous until now.
  600.  
  601. 124
  602. 00:10:29,207 --> 00:10:31,002
  603. His real name is Robert Lazar.
  604.  
  605. 125
  606. 00:10:31,037 --> 00:10:33,798
  607. He says he was hired to work
  608. at an area called S4,
  609.  
  610. 126
  611. 00:10:33,833 --> 00:10:36,007
  612. which is a few miles
  613. south of Groom Lake.
  614.  
  615. 127
  616. 00:10:36,042 --> 00:10:39,804
  617. At S4, he says, are flying
  618. saucers, antimatter reactors
  619.  
  620. 128
  621. 00:10:39,839 --> 00:10:42,358
  622. and other working
  623. examples of technology
  624.  
  625. 129
  626. 00:10:42,393 --> 00:10:45,085
  627. that is seemingly beyond
  628. human capabilities.
  629.  
  630. 130
  631. 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,329
  632. George Knapp,
  633. Eyewitness News 8.
  634.  
  635. 131
  636. 00:10:50,988 --> 00:10:52,265
  637. Good evening, everyone.
  638.  
  639. 132
  640. 00:10:52,299 --> 00:10:54,646
  641. You're in the right place
  642. at the right time.
  643.  
  644. 133
  645. 00:10:54,681 --> 00:10:57,753
  646. Blasting out of the Mojave
  647. Desert like a sirocco
  648.  
  649. 134
  650. 00:10:57,787 --> 00:11:01,826
  651. blazing across the land into
  652. your town, into your home,
  653.  
  654. 135
  655. 00:11:01,861 --> 00:11:06,037
  656. slamming into your radio like
  657. a super-charged nano particle
  658.  
  659. 136
  660. 00:11:06,072 --> 00:11:07,521
  661. of unobtanium.
  662.  
  663. 137
  664. 00:11:07,556 --> 00:11:10,559
  665. Greetings to all of you
  666. from the boldest, bawdiest,
  667.  
  668. 138
  669. 00:11:10,593 --> 00:11:12,457
  670. most outrageous
  671. city in the world,
  672.  
  673. 139
  674. 00:11:12,492 --> 00:11:16,737
  675. planetary capital of sun,
  676. fun, sin, sex and secrets,
  677.  
  678. 140
  679. 00:11:16,772 --> 00:11:19,775
  680. my not-so-humble hometown,
  681. Las Vegas, Nevada.
  682.  
  683. 141
  684. 00:11:23,572 --> 00:11:26,609
  685. You know, there are a lot of
  686. people, myself included,
  687.  
  688. 142
  689. 00:11:26,644 --> 00:11:29,716
  690. who would like to focus
  691. on big-picture stuff.
  692.  
  693. 143
  694. 00:11:29,750 --> 00:11:33,789
  695. Who are these visitors, why are they
  696. here, what is the nature of reality,
  697.  
  698. 144
  699. 00:11:33,823 --> 00:11:36,723
  700. what is their interest in us,
  701. where did they come from?
  702.  
  703. 145
  704. 00:11:36,757 --> 00:11:39,174
  705. Those are the questions
  706. that people have been asking
  707.  
  708. 146
  709. 00:11:39,208 --> 00:11:40,865
  710. about the UFO mystery
  711. since the beginning.
  712.  
  713. 147
  714. 00:11:40,900 --> 00:11:45,007
  715. We're no closer to answering any
  716. of them, but Bob got pretty close.
  717.  
  718. 148
  719. 00:11:45,042 --> 00:11:49,218
  720. Bob got to read these briefing documents
  721. that provided those kind of answers.
  722.  
  723. 149
  724. 00:11:49,253 --> 00:11:51,738
  725. The thing is, when we
  726. were covering his story,
  727.  
  728. 150
  729. 00:11:51,772 --> 00:11:54,361
  730. so much of the effort
  731. was in proving
  732.  
  733. 151
  734. 00:11:54,396 --> 00:11:57,054
  735. that he really was the
  736. person that he said he was.
  737.  
  738. 152
  739. 00:11:57,088 --> 00:11:59,366
  740. Is it true, is it plausible
  741.  
  742. 153
  743. 00:11:59,401 --> 00:12:01,851
  744. that really,
  745. that was the focus
  746.  
  747. 154
  748. 00:12:01,886 --> 00:12:04,682
  749. more than the really
  750. important stuff.
  751.  
  752. 155
  753. 00:12:04,716 --> 00:12:06,856
  754. You have to cover
  755. the story of Bob Lazar.
  756.  
  757. 156
  758. 00:12:06,891 --> 00:12:08,962
  759. And the only way to do
  760. that is to talk to Bob.
  761.  
  762. 157
  763. 00:12:08,997 --> 00:12:12,276
  764. And I don't know if he'll talk to
  765. you or not, but you need to try.
  766.  
  767. 158
  768. 00:12:12,310 --> 00:12:15,003
  769. It's all going to be
  770. circumstance for you,
  771.  
  772. 159
  773. 00:12:15,037 --> 00:12:18,247
  774. is the moment that you approach
  775. him, the mood that he's in,
  776.  
  777. 160
  778. 00:12:18,282 --> 00:12:20,974
  779. what else is going on
  780. in his life at the time...
  781.  
  782. 161
  783. 00:12:21,009 --> 00:12:24,460
  784. You might hit the jackpot and get
  785. him at exactly the right time
  786.  
  787. 162
  788. 00:12:24,495 --> 00:12:28,119
  789. and the universe is aligned and
  790. he's willing to talk about it.
  791.  
  792. 163
  793. 00:12:28,154 --> 00:12:30,087
  794. But you'd have to
  795. be awfully lucky.
  796.  
  797. 164
  798. 00:12:30,121 --> 00:12:33,159
  799. Because, in general, Bob
  800. doesn't like to talk about it.
  801.  
  802. 165
  803. 00:12:33,193 --> 00:12:34,850
  804. I think he's
  805. very happy in his life,
  806.  
  807. 166
  808. 00:12:34,884 --> 00:12:38,267
  809. he's happy to have left
  810. the UFO stuff behind,
  811.  
  812. 167
  813. 00:12:38,302 --> 00:12:39,924
  814. he misses his friends,
  815.  
  816. 168
  817. 00:12:39,959 --> 00:12:45,654
  818. he misses John Lear, he misses Gene
  819. Huff, maybe even me, to some extent.
  820.  
  821. 169
  822. 00:12:45,688 --> 00:12:49,106
  823. But he doesn't miss the UFO topic and
  824. he doesn't miss talking about it.
  825.  
  826. 170
  827. 00:12:49,140 --> 00:12:53,386
  828. Because ultimately, it's disturbing.
  829. These are disturbing issues.
  830.  
  831. 171
  832. 00:12:54,318 --> 00:12:57,390
  833. They go to the heart
  834. of who we are as people,
  835.  
  836. 172
  837. 00:12:57,424 --> 00:13:00,186
  838. as human beings,
  839. the nature of reality itself.
  840.  
  841. 173
  842. 00:13:00,220 --> 00:13:02,360
  843. Is this
  844. a computer simulation?
  845.  
  846. 174
  847. 00:13:02,395 --> 00:13:06,330
  848. Are we all the product
  849. of an alien video game?
  850.  
  851. 175
  852. 00:13:06,364 --> 00:13:09,264
  853. Or some
  854. multidimensional movie,
  855.  
  856. 176
  857. 00:13:09,298 --> 00:13:12,163
  858. drive-in movie theater
  859. production or something?
  860.  
  861. 177
  862. 00:13:12,198 --> 00:13:14,821
  863. Big questions.
  864. Disturbing answers.
  865.  
  866. 178
  867. 00:13:14,855 --> 00:13:18,825
  868. And Bob has never been comfortable
  869. in talking about it. Never.
  870.  
  871. 179
  872. 00:13:23,450 --> 00:13:27,523
  873. He reacted by going into a cocoon in
  874. a lot of ways. He didn't like it.
  875.  
  876. 180
  877. 00:13:27,558 --> 00:13:31,251
  878. He doesn't like the attention, and
  879. it totally screwed up his life.
  880.  
  881. 181
  882. 00:13:31,286 --> 00:13:33,771
  883. It's not surprising
  884. that even years later,
  885.  
  886. 182
  887. 00:13:33,805 --> 00:13:36,360
  888. he's still is uncomfortable
  889. in discussing these things.
  890.  
  891. 183
  892. 00:13:36,394 --> 00:13:39,466
  893. It's a very disturbing
  894. view of reality.
  895.  
  896. 184
  897. 00:13:54,205 --> 00:13:59,003
  898. A young person's guide to UFOs.
  899. This looks old, man.
  900.  
  901. 185
  902. 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:13,707
  903. Hmm.
  904.  
  905. 186
  906. 00:14:21,853 --> 00:14:24,477
  907. Hey, what are we
  908. talking about anyway?
  909.  
  910. 187
  911. 00:14:24,511 --> 00:14:26,617
  912. We'll go through...
  913.  
  914. 188
  915. 00:14:33,210 --> 00:14:35,419
  916. My name's Bob Lazar,
  917.  
  918. 189
  919. 00:14:35,453 --> 00:14:39,078
  920. I'm known for working
  921. at a classified base
  922.  
  923. 190
  924. 00:14:39,112 --> 00:14:43,806
  925. known as S4, out in the Nevada
  926. desert, near Area 51.
  927.  
  928. 191
  929. 00:14:43,841 --> 00:14:48,190
  930. And there, we reverse-engineered
  931. alien spacecraft.
  932.  
  933. 192
  934. 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:53,126
  935. And it's changed
  936. my life a lot.
  937.  
  938. 193
  939. 00:14:53,161 --> 00:14:56,336
  940. You know, it's probably
  941. changed every aspect of it.
  942.  
  943. 194
  944. 00:14:56,371 --> 00:14:57,855
  945. Positive or negative?
  946.  
  947. 195
  948. 00:14:59,615 --> 00:15:02,273
  949. Well, for the most part,
  950. negative.
  951.  
  952. 196
  953. 00:15:02,308 --> 00:15:08,486
  954. I mean, it's really difficult to
  955. find positive aspects of that.
  956.  
  957. 197
  958. 00:15:08,521 --> 00:15:10,661
  959. I mean, I'm sure there
  960. are some here and there,
  961.  
  962. 198
  963. 00:15:10,695 --> 00:15:12,870
  964. but most of them
  965. were negative.
  966.  
  967. 199
  968. 00:15:14,837 --> 00:15:16,322
  969. Would-- Would you--
  970.  
  971. 200
  972. 00:15:16,356 --> 00:15:18,703
  973. Would you take it all back and
  974. just be Bob the jet-car guy
  975.  
  976. 201
  977. 00:15:18,738 --> 00:15:22,638
  978. and never have done this if you can, or
  979. are you glad you had the experience?
  980.  
  981. 202
  982. 00:15:23,225 --> 00:15:24,916
  983. Yeah, it's hard to say.
  984.  
  985. 203
  986. 00:15:24,951 --> 00:15:28,506
  987. I don't know. I think
  988. I'd lean towards not...
  989.  
  990. 204
  991. 00:15:28,541 --> 00:15:32,165
  992. At this point in my life, I'd probably
  993. lean towards not saying anything.
  994.  
  995. 205
  996. 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:34,961
  997. You know, what would be
  998. your message to a young person now
  999.  
  1000. 206
  1001. 00:15:34,995 --> 00:15:37,688
  1002. about looking at your story
  1003. and thinking about the world,
  1004.  
  1005. 207
  1006. 00:15:37,722 --> 00:15:39,586
  1007. what would you say to them?
  1008.  
  1009. 208
  1010. 00:15:41,001 --> 00:15:42,934
  1011. Just pay attention.
  1012.  
  1013. 209
  1014. 00:15:42,969 --> 00:15:46,179
  1015. Just pay attention.
  1016. I can't really say much.
  1017.  
  1018. 210
  1019. 00:15:46,214 --> 00:15:47,939
  1020. The world's
  1021. a lot different now.
  1022.  
  1023. 211
  1024. 00:15:47,974 --> 00:15:52,047
  1025. The way information is disseminated
  1026. and the way things are passed around.
  1027.  
  1028. 212
  1029. 00:15:52,081 --> 00:15:56,293
  1030. It's distorted even faster and
  1031. more now than it used to be.
  1032.  
  1033. 213
  1034. 00:15:56,327 --> 00:15:58,571
  1035. So, they've got
  1036. a rough road ahead
  1037.  
  1038. 214
  1039. 00:15:58,605 --> 00:16:00,573
  1040. if they're trying to cut
  1041. through the bullshit.
  1042.  
  1043. 215
  1044. 00:16:01,712 --> 00:16:03,196
  1045. What do you want
  1046. them to know?
  1047.  
  1048. 216
  1049. 00:16:05,474 --> 00:16:10,238
  1050. That in the late 1980s, the
  1051. US government had recovered
  1052.  
  1053. 217
  1054. 00:16:10,272 --> 00:16:14,483
  1055. alien spacecraft, several
  1056. of them, and the technology
  1057.  
  1058. 218
  1059. 00:16:14,518 --> 00:16:18,177
  1060. in the Nevada desert that they
  1061. were keeping quiet and analyzing.
  1062.  
  1063. 219
  1064. 00:16:19,557 --> 00:16:22,111
  1065. That's a fact.
  1066.  
  1067. 220
  1068. 00:16:22,146 --> 00:16:26,115
  1069. They don't need my story, but, I
  1070. mean, that's all my story was.
  1071.  
  1072. 221
  1073. 00:16:26,150 --> 00:16:30,085
  1074. Is that I was just one of the
  1075. people working on this ground.
  1076.  
  1077. 222
  1078. 00:16:42,718 --> 00:16:46,377
  1079. Well, fine, I'll just say everything
  1080. instead of holding back on anything,
  1081.  
  1082. 223
  1083. 00:16:46,412 --> 00:16:49,794
  1084. and then you can
  1085. edit it later on. All right.
  1086.  
  1087. 224
  1088. 00:16:49,829 --> 00:16:53,867
  1089. Well, we'll take it
  1090. from the top then.Okay. Well, go ahead.
  1091.  
  1092. 225
  1093. 00:16:55,110 --> 00:16:58,044
  1094. How you got involved
  1095. with this program?
  1096.  
  1097. 226
  1098. 00:16:58,078 --> 00:17:01,944
  1099. I had sent resumes
  1100. to several national labs,
  1101.  
  1102. 227
  1103. 00:17:01,979 --> 00:17:04,326
  1104. I got a response
  1105. from a couple of them.
  1106.  
  1107. 228
  1108. 00:17:04,361 --> 00:17:08,986
  1109. I went in for an interview,
  1110. they had a job in mind,
  1111.  
  1112. 229
  1113. 00:17:09,918 --> 00:17:14,129
  1114. and then they continued
  1115. questioning me
  1116.  
  1117. 230
  1118. 00:17:14,163 --> 00:17:16,269
  1119. mainly on my interests
  1120. outside of work.
  1121.  
  1122. 231
  1123. 00:17:16,304 --> 00:17:19,341
  1124. They seemed to be
  1125. really concerned about that.
  1126.  
  1127. 232
  1128. 00:17:19,376 --> 00:17:21,550
  1129. What, things like
  1130. jet cars and...
  1131.  
  1132. 233
  1133. 00:17:21,585 --> 00:17:24,829
  1134. Right. "What do you do
  1135. in your spare time?"
  1136.  
  1137. 234
  1138. 00:17:24,864 --> 00:17:26,900
  1139. You know, "You say you work
  1140. on little projects."
  1141.  
  1142. 235
  1143. 00:17:26,935 --> 00:17:28,661
  1144. I said, "Yeah, I have
  1145. a particle accelerator
  1146.  
  1147. 236
  1148. 00:17:28,695 --> 00:17:32,320
  1149. in my master bedroom,"
  1150. and things of that sort.
  1151.  
  1152. 237
  1153. 00:17:32,354 --> 00:17:34,425
  1154. And some time went by
  1155. and they called me back in,
  1156.  
  1157. 238
  1158. 00:17:34,460 --> 00:17:38,671
  1159. they said there was a senior
  1160. staff physicist that was leaving
  1161.  
  1162. 239
  1163. 00:17:38,705 --> 00:17:43,020
  1164. this organization and they basically
  1165. interviewed me for that job.
  1166.  
  1167. 240
  1168. 00:17:44,815 --> 00:17:47,266
  1169. I was given a lot
  1170. of briefings to read on...
  1171.  
  1172. 241
  1173. 00:17:47,300 --> 00:17:49,751
  1174. I believe there are 121
  1175. different briefings,
  1176.  
  1177. 242
  1178. 00:17:49,785 --> 00:17:52,167
  1179. and they sat me in a room
  1180. and they had a...
  1181.  
  1182. 243
  1183. 00:17:52,201 --> 00:17:54,928
  1184. While they were going
  1185. and updating my clearance
  1186.  
  1187. 244
  1188. 00:17:54,963 --> 00:17:57,621
  1189. to a level that they call
  1190. "majestic..."
  1191.  
  1192. 245
  1193. 00:17:57,655 --> 00:17:59,347
  1194. You start
  1195. reading these reports,
  1196.  
  1197. 246
  1198. 00:17:59,381 --> 00:18:01,452
  1199. you see some of them deal
  1200. with flying saucers,
  1201.  
  1202. 247
  1203. 00:18:01,487 --> 00:18:02,902
  1204. what's your reaction?
  1205.  
  1206. 248
  1207. 00:18:02,936 --> 00:18:07,803
  1208. Well, I was completely shocked,
  1209. I couldn't believe it.
  1210.  
  1211. 249
  1212. 00:18:07,838 --> 00:18:10,254
  1213. But I was fascinated,
  1214. I was so excited, I...
  1215.  
  1216. 250
  1217. 00:18:11,911 --> 00:18:15,328
  1218. It's a science dream, really.
  1219.  
  1220. 251
  1221. 00:18:15,363 --> 00:18:16,950
  1222. Eventually,
  1223. I was shown them.
  1224.  
  1225. 252
  1226. 00:18:17,675 --> 00:18:20,057
  1227. One close-up, one operating.
  1228.  
  1229. 253
  1230. 00:18:20,091 --> 00:18:23,888
  1231. They had one of the reactors
  1232. out of the crafts,
  1233.  
  1234. 254
  1235. 00:18:23,923 --> 00:18:25,614
  1236. which was
  1237. an antimatter reactor.
  1238.  
  1239. 255
  1240. 00:18:25,649 --> 00:18:27,167
  1241. Uh...
  1242.  
  1243. 256
  1244. 00:18:27,202 --> 00:18:30,067
  1245. I was given a demonstration
  1246. on how it worked,
  1247.  
  1248. 257
  1249. 00:18:30,101 --> 00:18:33,657
  1250. things that it did
  1251. and the physics of it.
  1252.  
  1253. 258
  1254. 00:18:33,691 --> 00:18:37,454
  1255. The thing I was most interested
  1256. in is duplicating the reactors
  1257.  
  1258. 259
  1259. 00:18:37,488 --> 00:18:40,249
  1260. without using
  1261. this element 115.
  1262.  
  1263. 260
  1264. 00:18:41,975 --> 00:18:44,806
  1265. Which is, of course, impossible.
  1266. They were trying to...
  1267.  
  1268. 261
  1269. 00:18:45,738 --> 00:18:48,327
  1270. And there have been
  1271. projects before that
  1272.  
  1273. 262
  1274. 00:18:48,361 --> 00:18:53,539
  1275. just trying to use a normal nuclear
  1276. generator fueled with plutonium.
  1277.  
  1278. 263
  1279. 00:18:53,573 --> 00:18:56,162
  1280. And that was,
  1281. really, a futile attempt.
  1282.  
  1283. 264
  1284. 00:18:59,165 --> 00:19:01,823
  1285. Some people are
  1286. sources of gravity.
  1287.  
  1288. 265
  1289. 00:19:02,996 --> 00:19:05,965
  1290. Their certainty and wholeness
  1291. commands our attention.
  1292.  
  1293. 266
  1294. 00:19:05,999 --> 00:19:08,864
  1295. We are drawn to them
  1296. by a natural law
  1297.  
  1298. 267
  1299. 00:19:08,899 --> 00:19:12,730
  1300. that requires we don't quite
  1301. understand the mechanism.
  1302.  
  1303. 268
  1304. 00:19:14,525 --> 00:19:18,943
  1305. But the pull is like a tide,
  1306. a current you can't deny.
  1307.  
  1308. 269
  1309. 00:19:18,978 --> 00:19:21,739
  1310. And eventually,
  1311. it wears you down.
  1312.  
  1313. 270
  1314. 00:19:24,155 --> 00:19:25,398
  1315. Call George Knapp.
  1316.  
  1317. 271
  1318. 00:19:26,468 --> 00:19:29,022
  1319. Calling George Knapp mobile.
  1320.  
  1321. 272
  1322. 00:19:39,032 --> 00:19:40,586
  1323. Hey, George. Hey, man.
  1324.  
  1325. 273
  1326. 00:19:40,620 --> 00:19:43,554
  1327. What's up, man, how you doing?
  1328. All right. What's going on?
  1329.  
  1330. 274
  1331. 00:19:43,589 --> 00:19:48,628
  1332. This is now 30 years since you
  1333. initially broke the story about Lazar.
  1334.  
  1335. 275
  1336. 00:19:48,663 --> 00:19:51,459
  1337. So, I mean, the amount of the
  1338. information is overwhelming,
  1339.  
  1340. 276
  1341. 00:19:51,493 --> 00:19:54,565
  1342. and I just want to go over with you
  1343. some of the details of the case.
  1344.  
  1345. 277
  1346. 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:55,911
  1347. Sure.
  1348.  
  1349. 278
  1350. 00:19:55,946 --> 00:20:00,053
  1351. We're talking about UFOs,
  1352. alien craft, back engineering,
  1353.  
  1354. 279
  1355. 00:20:00,088 --> 00:20:02,090
  1356. and there's Lazar saying
  1357. he did all that.
  1358.  
  1359. 280
  1360. 00:20:02,124 --> 00:20:05,369
  1361. And from what I understand,
  1362. it spread everywhere.
  1363.  
  1364. 281
  1365. 00:20:05,404 --> 00:20:09,511
  1366. Yeah, you know, we had that
  1367. first interview in May of 1989,
  1368.  
  1369. 282
  1370. 00:20:09,546 --> 00:20:13,204
  1371. with him as Dennis, was...
  1372. not his real identity,
  1373.  
  1374. 283
  1375. 00:20:13,239 --> 00:20:16,449
  1376. not known, not revealed to the audience.
  1377.  
  1378. 284
  1379. 00:20:16,484 --> 00:20:19,348
  1380. And even then, before we
  1381. knew who Bob Lazar was,
  1382.  
  1383. 285
  1384. 00:20:19,383 --> 00:20:23,801
  1385. that sparked a big... A great deal
  1386. of interest among the public.
  1387.  
  1388. 286
  1389. 00:20:23,836 --> 00:20:27,011
  1390. I spent eight months
  1391. between May and November
  1392.  
  1393. 287
  1394. 00:20:27,046 --> 00:20:29,220
  1395. trying to verify Bob's
  1396. background,
  1397.  
  1398. 288
  1399. 00:20:29,255 --> 00:20:32,189
  1400. to see if we could
  1401. solidify the case,
  1402.  
  1403. 289
  1404. 00:20:32,223 --> 00:20:34,329
  1405. to see if we could find out
  1406. if he was telling the truth.
  1407.  
  1408. 290
  1409. 00:20:34,363 --> 00:20:37,608
  1410. And then to... The plan was
  1411. to unleash it in November,
  1412.  
  1413. 291
  1414. 00:20:37,643 --> 00:20:39,092
  1415. which is what we did...
  1416.  
  1417. 292
  1418. 00:20:39,127 --> 00:20:42,268
  1419. ...it was the highest-rated
  1420. news series we've ever done.
  1421.  
  1422. 293
  1423. 00:20:42,302 --> 00:20:46,686
  1424. It was the highest-rated news special
  1425. that ever aired in Las Vegas.
  1426.  
  1427. 294
  1428. 00:20:46,721 --> 00:20:49,931
  1429. And then it really exploded,
  1430. it went all over the world.
  1431.  
  1432. 295
  1433. 00:20:49,965 --> 00:20:55,143
  1434. Bootleg copies of the tapes were being
  1435. sold and shown in movie theaters.
  1436.  
  1437. 296
  1438. 00:20:55,177 --> 00:20:58,215
  1439. You had media interests
  1440. from all over the world.
  1441.  
  1442. 297
  1443. 00:20:58,249 --> 00:21:00,700
  1444. And I think a lot of it was
  1445. skeptical at the beginning
  1446.  
  1447. 298
  1448. 00:21:00,735 --> 00:21:02,184
  1449. which, of course, it would be.
  1450.  
  1451. 299
  1452. 00:21:02,219 --> 00:21:06,050
  1453. But in the end, every major
  1454. news organization in the world
  1455.  
  1456. 300
  1457. 00:21:06,085 --> 00:21:08,639
  1458. beat a path to Area 51's door.
  1459.  
  1460. 301
  1461. 00:21:08,674 --> 00:21:12,401
  1462. And tens of thousands of people
  1463. started showing up out there,
  1464.  
  1465. 302
  1466. 00:21:12,436 --> 00:21:15,232
  1467. to see whatever it was that was
  1468. flying around in the desert.
  1469.  
  1470. 303
  1471. 00:21:15,266 --> 00:21:17,717
  1472. They're still coming,
  1473. all these years later.
  1474.  
  1475. 304
  1476. 00:21:17,752 --> 00:21:21,272
  1477. And I know a lot of my media colleagues
  1478. have had problems with that story,
  1479.  
  1480. 305
  1481. 00:21:21,307 --> 00:21:23,551
  1482. but they've all covered it,
  1483. all of them.
  1484.  
  1485. 306
  1486. 00:21:23,585 --> 00:21:27,624
  1487. It put Area 51 on the map. It's
  1488. now known all over the world.
  1489.  
  1490. 307
  1491. 00:21:27,658 --> 00:21:29,695
  1492. Even though Lazar
  1493. worked at S4,
  1494.  
  1495. 308
  1496. 00:21:29,729 --> 00:21:32,180
  1497. Area 51 is the term
  1498. that the public knows.
  1499.  
  1500. 309
  1501. 00:21:32,214 --> 00:21:35,079
  1502. So it was huge. It was
  1503. huge then, it's huge now.
  1504.  
  1505. 310
  1506. 00:21:38,566 --> 00:21:41,361
  1507. The mountains appear
  1508. to float on dry lake beds.
  1509.  
  1510. 311
  1511. 00:21:41,396 --> 00:21:43,985
  1512. Like spaceships
  1513. from another world.
  1514.  
  1515. 312
  1516. 00:21:44,019 --> 00:21:46,263
  1517. They seem to ride
  1518. on a viscous material,
  1519.  
  1520. 313
  1521. 00:21:46,297 --> 00:21:50,888
  1522. channeled through empty space by
  1523. heat that rises and separates.
  1524.  
  1525. 314
  1526. 00:21:50,923 --> 00:21:53,581
  1527. It petrifies
  1528. everything it contacts
  1529.  
  1530. 315
  1531. 00:21:53,615 --> 00:21:56,169
  1532. like a green glass honey.
  1533.  
  1534. 316
  1535. 00:21:56,894 --> 00:21:59,069
  1536. A goddamn psychedelic liquid
  1537.  
  1538. 317
  1539. 00:21:59,103 --> 00:22:02,866
  1540. drowning the emptiness
  1541. with imagination.
  1542.  
  1543. 318
  1544. 00:22:05,662 --> 00:22:09,735
  1545. This desert is pocked and punctuated
  1546. by a thousand gaping holes
  1547.  
  1548. 319
  1549. 00:22:09,769 --> 00:22:13,980
  1550. created in the thousand atomic
  1551. blasts that define an era.
  1552.  
  1553. 320
  1554. 00:22:16,086 --> 00:22:19,779
  1555. What are they building in the
  1556. desert, north of Las Vegas?
  1557.  
  1558. 321
  1559. 00:22:19,814 --> 00:22:22,299
  1560. What are they hiding?
  1561.  
  1562. 322
  1563. 00:22:26,752 --> 00:22:29,513
  1564. Yeah.
  1565.  
  1566. 323
  1567. 00:22:38,798 --> 00:22:42,319
  1568. What is your name and what
  1569. is your relationship to Bob Lazar?
  1570.  
  1571. 324
  1572. 00:22:42,353 --> 00:22:46,254
  1573. My name is Mario Santa Cruz, and I
  1574. met Bob actually in my neighborhood.
  1575.  
  1576. 325
  1577. 00:22:46,288 --> 00:22:48,877
  1578. He lived, like,
  1579. one block over.
  1580.  
  1581. 326
  1582. 00:22:48,912 --> 00:22:51,673
  1583. My attraction to Bob
  1584. was his jet dragster.
  1585.  
  1586. 327
  1587. 00:22:51,708 --> 00:22:56,954
  1588. I saw this jet dragster sitting
  1589. out in front of his house
  1590.  
  1591. 328
  1592. 00:22:56,989 --> 00:22:59,267
  1593. in our neighborhood
  1594. which was extremely...
  1595.  
  1596. 329
  1597. 00:22:59,301 --> 00:23:02,546
  1598. Just the jet dragster alone
  1599. was rare.
  1600.  
  1601. 330
  1602. 00:23:02,581 --> 00:23:06,343
  1603. But in my neighborhood, to see
  1604. something like that was unbelievable.
  1605.  
  1606. 331
  1607. 00:23:06,377 --> 00:23:09,795
  1608. People were harassing
  1609. Bob, threatening him,
  1610.  
  1611. 332
  1612. 00:23:09,829 --> 00:23:13,522
  1613. and you were with him in one of
  1614. those experiences, at least one.
  1615.  
  1616. 333
  1617. 00:23:13,557 --> 00:23:14,765
  1618. A couple of times, actually.
  1619.  
  1620. 334
  1621. 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,043
  1622. I actually had
  1623. a weapon with me,
  1624.  
  1625. 335
  1626. 00:23:17,078 --> 00:23:22,186
  1627. you know, when we rode together because
  1628. he had been shot at, you know?
  1629.  
  1630. 336
  1631. 00:23:22,221 --> 00:23:24,568
  1632. What was the weapon,
  1633. was it the Uzi?
  1634.  
  1635. 337
  1636. 00:23:24,603 --> 00:23:26,052
  1637. Yes.Yeah.
  1638.  
  1639. 338
  1640. 00:23:27,502 --> 00:23:29,297
  1641. I don't know why
  1642. I'm being so careful.
  1643.  
  1644. 339
  1645. 00:23:29,331 --> 00:23:31,851
  1646. I'm used to being that way when
  1647. it comes to talking about Bob.
  1648.  
  1649. 340
  1650. 00:23:31,886 --> 00:23:34,716
  1651. Being careful what I say,
  1652. you know what I mean?
  1653.  
  1654. 341
  1655. 00:23:34,751 --> 00:23:36,200
  1656. So it's kind of
  1657. a force of habit
  1658.  
  1659. 342
  1660. 00:23:36,235 --> 00:23:38,686
  1661. to kind of just walk on
  1662. eggshells a little bit.
  1663.  
  1664. 343
  1665. 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,171
  1666. He just wanted to stay alive.
  1667.  
  1668. 344
  1669. 00:23:41,205 --> 00:23:43,380
  1670. That's why he exposed himself.
  1671.  
  1672. 345
  1673. 00:23:43,414 --> 00:23:45,520
  1674. His life was...
  1675. It was in chaos.
  1676.  
  1677. 346
  1678. 00:23:45,554 --> 00:23:48,316
  1679. Hell, he pulled out of it
  1680. and he dug deep.
  1681.  
  1682. 347
  1683. 00:23:48,350 --> 00:23:51,215
  1684. It's a pretty
  1685. incredible story.
  1686.  
  1687. 348
  1688. 00:23:55,081 --> 00:23:58,671
  1689. They shot at you? Somebody
  1690. shot maybe as a warning perhaps.
  1691.  
  1692. 349
  1693. 00:23:58,706 --> 00:24:01,467
  1694. It was a good warning. I had my
  1695. back tire shot out on my car
  1696.  
  1697. 350
  1698. 00:24:01,501 --> 00:24:03,089
  1699. as I was getting
  1700. on the freeway.
  1701.  
  1702. 351
  1703. 00:24:04,953 --> 00:24:06,403
  1704. My--You saw the guy?
  1705.  
  1706. 352
  1707. 00:24:06,437 --> 00:24:07,335
  1708. Yeah.
  1709.  
  1710. 353
  1711. 00:24:07,369 --> 00:24:09,268
  1712. Is this a secret worth
  1713. killing to keep?
  1714.  
  1715. 354
  1716. 00:24:09,302 --> 00:24:11,235
  1717. I mean, the government,
  1718. would you say?
  1719.  
  1720. 355
  1721. 00:24:11,822 --> 00:24:13,237
  1722. Obviously.
  1723.  
  1724. 356
  1725. 00:24:15,136 --> 00:24:17,138
  1726. But in fact, the only reason
  1727.  
  1728. 357
  1729. 00:24:18,277 --> 00:24:21,867
  1730. that getting this
  1731. on tape is insurance.
  1732.  
  1733. 358
  1734. 00:24:21,901 --> 00:24:25,353
  1735. Well, that's one reason, but, I
  1736. mean, also as an American citizen,
  1737.  
  1738. 359
  1739. 00:24:25,387 --> 00:24:29,322
  1740. you're bothered by... That
  1741. this stuff is going on and--
  1742.  
  1743. 360
  1744. 00:24:29,357 --> 00:24:33,119
  1745. Yeah, I am, but not enough
  1746. to have, you know,
  1747.  
  1748. 361
  1749. 00:24:33,154 --> 00:24:36,329
  1750. stood here and
  1751. have it on the record.
  1752.  
  1753. 362
  1754. 00:24:36,364 --> 00:24:39,712
  1755. Insurance is the true
  1756. motivation behind this.
  1757.  
  1758. 363
  1759. 00:24:44,821 --> 00:24:49,446
  1760. At four months old, in our
  1761. little apartment in Florida,
  1762.  
  1763. 364
  1764. 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:53,277
  1765. that's me holding him,
  1766. very proud mom holding him.
  1767.  
  1768. 365
  1769. 00:24:53,312 --> 00:24:55,555
  1770. We had a beautiful
  1771. little place in Florida.
  1772.  
  1773. 366
  1774. 00:24:57,799 --> 00:24:59,214
  1775. Look at that.
  1776.  
  1777. 367
  1778. 00:24:59,249 --> 00:25:02,252
  1779. One Sunday morning, must have
  1780. been about 6:00 in the morning,
  1781.  
  1782. 368
  1783. 00:25:02,286 --> 00:25:05,358
  1784. everyone's asleep,
  1785. and there's this huge bang.
  1786.  
  1787. 369
  1788. 00:25:05,393 --> 00:25:08,568
  1789. Bob had put a jet engine
  1790. in the bike.
  1791.  
  1792. 370
  1793. 00:25:08,603 --> 00:25:12,503
  1794. At 6:00 in the morning, he decided
  1795. to take it out for a trip.
  1796.  
  1797. 371
  1798. 00:25:12,538 --> 00:25:15,127
  1799. What did you guys think when
  1800. he said, "Mom, Dad, I'm building--"
  1801.  
  1802. 372
  1803. 00:25:15,161 --> 00:25:16,369
  1804. Scared out of my mind.
  1805.  
  1806. 373
  1807. 00:25:16,404 --> 00:25:17,819
  1808. I didn't know what
  1809. he was going to do next.
  1810.  
  1811. 374
  1812. 00:25:17,854 --> 00:25:20,649
  1813. Was he going to blow up the
  1814. house, blow up the world?
  1815.  
  1816. 375
  1817. 00:25:20,684 --> 00:25:22,341
  1818. I don't know.
  1819.  
  1820. 376
  1821. 00:25:23,860 --> 00:25:26,483
  1822. It's out there, you know? He's out there.
  1823.  
  1824. 377
  1825. 00:25:31,143 --> 00:25:33,835
  1826. You know, if he proves
  1827. his story, let's say,
  1828.  
  1829. 378
  1830. 00:25:33,870 --> 00:25:38,460
  1831. maybe it would cause problems,
  1832. maybe it would blow shit up.
  1833.  
  1834. 379
  1835. 00:25:38,495 --> 00:25:40,635
  1836. It... More than
  1837. likely it would.
  1838.  
  1839. 380
  1840. 00:25:40,669 --> 00:25:45,260
  1841. But he's best off keeping
  1842. things down low, really.
  1843.  
  1844. 381
  1845. 00:25:45,295 --> 00:25:50,956
  1846. But at the same time, he has said there
  1847. is a way he could prove his story.
  1848.  
  1849. 382
  1850. 00:25:50,990 --> 00:25:52,371
  1851. I want him to be happy.
  1852.  
  1853. 383
  1854. 00:25:52,405 --> 00:25:55,823
  1855. If vindication is
  1856. what he wants, fine.
  1857.  
  1858. 384
  1859. 00:25:55,857 --> 00:25:57,307
  1860. But that's up to him.
  1861.  
  1862. 385
  1863. 00:25:57,963 --> 00:25:59,585
  1864. You believe him or not.
  1865.  
  1866. 386
  1867. 00:25:59,619 --> 00:26:03,244
  1868. It's a fearful thing to think
  1869. that there's something out there
  1870.  
  1871. 387
  1872. 00:26:03,278 --> 00:26:08,111
  1873. that we don't know anything about. Or
  1874. are they dangerous? Can they hurt us?
  1875.  
  1876. 388
  1877. 00:26:08,145 --> 00:26:10,803
  1878. Will they attack us?
  1879. You don't want to know,
  1880.  
  1881. 389
  1882. 00:26:11,355 --> 00:26:12,909
  1883. so you don't believe it.
  1884.  
  1885. 390
  1886. 00:26:12,943 --> 00:26:15,118
  1887. You'd rather not believe.
  1888.  
  1889. 391
  1890. 00:26:15,152 --> 00:26:18,673
  1891. There might be other things out
  1892. there, other things in the universe.
  1893.  
  1894. 392
  1895. 00:26:18,707 --> 00:26:21,572
  1896. There has to be. We can't
  1897. be all by ourselves.
  1898.  
  1899. 393
  1900. 00:26:21,987 --> 00:26:23,367
  1901. We can't be.
  1902.  
  1903. 394
  1904. 00:26:44,664 --> 00:26:47,564
  1905. My name is Joy
  1906. and I am Bob's wife.
  1907.  
  1908. 395
  1909. 00:26:47,598 --> 00:26:49,566
  1910. We've been together 17 years.
  1911.  
  1912. 396
  1913. 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:54,364
  1914. What is it that you
  1915. think is most misunderstood?
  1916.  
  1917. 397
  1918. 00:26:54,398 --> 00:26:57,367
  1919. That he really is an
  1920. honest guy, you know?
  1921.  
  1922. 398
  1923. 00:26:57,401 --> 00:26:59,265
  1924. He doesn't make stuff up.
  1925.  
  1926. 399
  1927. 00:27:03,028 --> 00:27:05,202
  1928. I guess it's just so big.
  1929.  
  1930. 400
  1931. 00:27:05,893 --> 00:27:08,067
  1932. So the easier thing to do
  1933.  
  1934. 401
  1935. 00:27:08,102 --> 00:27:10,967
  1936. is to point the finger
  1937. and say, "Liar."
  1938.  
  1939. 402
  1940. 00:27:11,001 --> 00:27:13,210
  1941. Yeah, that's so sad.
  1942.  
  1943. 403
  1944. 00:27:14,073 --> 00:27:15,454
  1945. That's really sad...
  1946.  
  1947. 404
  1948. 00:27:17,214 --> 00:27:20,252
  1949. That they don't know
  1950. real Bob.
  1951.  
  1952. 405
  1953. 00:27:26,948 --> 00:27:29,986
  1954. There's particular
  1955. moments that define each one of us.
  1956.  
  1957. 406
  1958. 00:27:30,020 --> 00:27:34,300
  1959. We may not know it at the
  1960. time, but we learn it later.
  1961.  
  1962. 407
  1963. 00:27:38,304 --> 00:27:41,238
  1964. Every action creates
  1965. a cascade of reactions.
  1966.  
  1967. 408
  1968. 00:27:42,205 --> 00:27:43,827
  1969. Life is a web of events.
  1970.  
  1971. 409
  1972. 00:27:46,726 --> 00:27:49,695
  1973. Actions overlaid
  1974. by consequence.
  1975.  
  1976. 410
  1977. 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:56,357
  1978. And woven across
  1979. the fabric of time.
  1980.  
  1981. 411
  1982. 00:27:57,876 --> 00:28:00,223
  1983. Future determined by past,
  1984.  
  1985. 412
  1986. 00:28:01,224 --> 00:28:03,709
  1987. past defined by present,
  1988.  
  1989. 413
  1990. 00:28:04,986 --> 00:28:09,370
  1991. present experienced throughout
  1992. the lens of personal history.
  1993.  
  1994. 414
  1995. 00:28:10,889 --> 00:28:12,994
  1996. But for some, it's obvious.
  1997.  
  1998. 415
  1999. 00:28:13,029 --> 00:28:15,134
  2000. You can put your finger on it.
  2001.  
  2002. 416
  2003. 00:28:15,169 --> 00:28:20,726
  2004. That definable, indelible
  2005. moment when everything changed.
  2006.  
  2007. 417
  2008. 00:28:23,971 --> 00:28:27,319
  2009. I love my job. There's a lot
  2010. of craftsmanship in the stuff I do.
  2011.  
  2012. 418
  2013. 00:28:27,353 --> 00:28:29,114
  2014. I really like working
  2015. with my hands.
  2016.  
  2017. 419
  2018. 00:28:29,148 --> 00:28:30,529
  2019. It's a really unique job.
  2020.  
  2021. 420
  2022. 00:28:30,563 --> 00:28:31,910
  2023. I don't think there's any
  2024. other job
  2025.  
  2026. 421
  2027. 00:28:31,944 --> 00:28:34,015
  2028. where you get to do this kind
  2029. of stuff every day.
  2030.  
  2031. 422
  2032. 00:28:35,983 --> 00:28:38,502
  2033. We'll either get a really
  2034. interesting order coming in,
  2035.  
  2036. 423
  2037. 00:28:38,537 --> 00:28:40,849
  2038. or Bob will get bored
  2039.  
  2040. 424
  2041. 00:28:40,884 --> 00:28:44,405
  2042. and try to come up with a new project,
  2043. and that's when it gets really fun.
  2044.  
  2045. 425
  2046. 00:28:44,439 --> 00:28:46,786
  2047. So, there's another one
  2048. that he wants to do...
  2049.  
  2050. 426
  2051. 00:28:46,821 --> 00:28:50,618
  2052. Like recreate a grand atomic
  2053. chemistry set,
  2054.  
  2055. 427
  2056. 00:28:50,652 --> 00:28:53,517
  2057. something of that sort, and I
  2058. think that will be really cool
  2059.  
  2060. 428
  2061. 00:28:53,552 --> 00:28:56,417
  2062. if he ever decides
  2063. to hone in on that.
  2064.  
  2065. 429
  2066. 00:28:56,451 --> 00:28:58,557
  2067. This is the
  2068. atomic energy lab kit.
  2069.  
  2070. 430
  2071. 00:28:58,591 --> 00:29:01,249
  2072. It's something from
  2073. the 1950s, a toy,
  2074.  
  2075. 431
  2076. 00:29:01,284 --> 00:29:04,149
  2077. like a chemistry set you'd get for
  2078. your kid. It was made by Gilbert.
  2079.  
  2080. 432
  2081. 00:29:04,183 --> 00:29:09,257
  2082. Chemistry is, today, a fascinating
  2083. adventure for youth of all ages.
  2084.  
  2085. 433
  2086. 00:29:09,292 --> 00:29:11,397
  2087. Gilbert has made this
  2088. exciting science
  2089.  
  2090. 434
  2091. 00:29:11,432 --> 00:29:14,538
  2092. available in safe
  2093. and easy-to-understand form.
  2094.  
  2095. 435
  2096. 00:29:14,573 --> 00:29:18,508
  2097. Made as completely safe as
  2098. human ingenuity can devise.
  2099.  
  2100. 436
  2101. 00:29:23,064 --> 00:29:25,998
  2102. This actually came
  2103. with radioactive material.
  2104.  
  2105. 437
  2106. 00:29:26,033 --> 00:29:29,968
  2107. You could really conduct atomic
  2108. energy experiments in it.
  2109.  
  2110. 438
  2111. 00:29:30,002 --> 00:29:31,866
  2112. It was fascinating.
  2113.  
  2114. 439
  2115. 00:29:31,900 --> 00:29:35,559
  2116. And it was billed as the most
  2117. dangerous toy ever made,
  2118.  
  2119. 440
  2120. 00:29:35,594 --> 00:29:38,804
  2121. and still, in some respect, it's
  2122. still considered that way today.
  2123.  
  2124. 441
  2125. 00:29:38,838 --> 00:29:42,359
  2126. But the thing is it wasn't,
  2127. it was just people's fear.
  2128.  
  2129. 442
  2130. 00:30:11,871 --> 00:30:15,289
  2131. So, here I am and I'm
  2132. watching you do your work.
  2133.  
  2134. 443
  2135. 00:30:15,323 --> 00:30:18,809
  2136. If people don't know you,
  2137. it''s so easy for them
  2138.  
  2139. 444
  2140. 00:30:18,844 --> 00:30:22,503
  2141. to just make shit up about you
  2142. and to dehumanize you.
  2143.  
  2144. 445
  2145. 00:30:23,366 --> 00:30:25,092
  2146. How simple that is to do.
  2147.  
  2148. 446
  2149. 00:30:25,126 --> 00:30:27,991
  2150. The fact that somebody would
  2151. say you're not a scientist.
  2152.  
  2153. 447
  2154. 00:30:28,026 --> 00:30:29,958
  2155. I mean, all I've ever done,
  2156.  
  2157. 448
  2158. 00:30:29,993 --> 00:30:32,720
  2159. is science-related stuff
  2160. my entire life.
  2161.  
  2162. 449
  2163. 00:30:34,239 --> 00:30:39,554
  2164. So, I don't know. I guess the
  2165. point is, do I really care what
  2166.  
  2167. 450
  2168. 00:30:40,969 --> 00:30:42,764
  2169. people I don't know think?
  2170.  
  2171. 451
  2172. 00:30:42,799 --> 00:30:45,077
  2173. And probably to some extent,
  2174. I do.
  2175.  
  2176. 452
  2177. 00:30:45,112 --> 00:30:48,425
  2178. But I don't dwell on it.
  2179.  
  2180. 453
  2181. 00:30:48,460 --> 00:30:52,671
  2182. I guess it is easier to discredit someone
  2183. that you have no information on,
  2184.  
  2185. 454
  2186. 00:30:52,705 --> 00:30:55,467
  2187. 'cause you can just say
  2188. anything about them,
  2189.  
  2190. 455
  2191. 00:30:55,501 --> 00:30:57,124
  2192. then there's nothing
  2193. to refute it.
  2194.  
  2195. 456
  2196. 00:30:58,539 --> 00:31:01,887
  2197. I mean, I feel privileged
  2198. I got to work in it.
  2199.  
  2200. 457
  2201. 00:31:01,921 --> 00:31:05,546
  2202. So, in some respects, I shouldn't
  2203. be allowed to complain.
  2204.  
  2205. 458
  2206. 00:31:05,580 --> 00:31:09,412
  2207. I've given the example of,
  2208. you know,
  2209.  
  2210. 459
  2211. 00:31:09,446 --> 00:31:12,794
  2212. transporting one of those small
  2213. modern-day portable nuclear reactor
  2214.  
  2215. 460
  2216. 00:31:12,829 --> 00:31:15,901
  2217. back into Victorian times, and
  2218. giving it to the scientists there.
  2219.  
  2220. 461
  2221. 00:31:15,935 --> 00:31:18,248
  2222. Back in that time, they didn't
  2223. even know about radiation.
  2224.  
  2225. 462
  2226. 00:31:18,283 --> 00:31:22,045
  2227. So they'd see a machine making power,
  2228. kind of like what we're doing,
  2229.  
  2230. 463
  2231. 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,737
  2232. and marvel at it, "Wow it's
  2233. producing a lot of power,
  2234.  
  2235. 464
  2236. 00:31:24,772 --> 00:31:27,499
  2237. there's no smokestack, there's
  2238. no coal, there's no fuel.
  2239.  
  2240. 465
  2241. 00:31:27,533 --> 00:31:29,052
  2242. How is this thing working?"
  2243.  
  2244. 466
  2245. 00:31:29,087 --> 00:31:31,019
  2246. They start taking it apart.
  2247.  
  2248. 467
  2249. 00:31:31,054 --> 00:31:34,713
  2250. Well, they'll all die, soon as
  2251. they get close to the core.
  2252.  
  2253. 468
  2254. 00:31:34,747 --> 00:31:37,716
  2255. If people would come in to
  2256. check on them, we'll all die,
  2257.  
  2258. 469
  2259. 00:31:37,750 --> 00:31:39,614
  2260. and no one knows,
  2261. nothing touched them.
  2262.  
  2263. 470
  2264. 00:31:39,649 --> 00:31:41,547
  2265. So they're going to think
  2266. it's haunted or something,
  2267.  
  2268. 471
  2269. 00:31:41,582 --> 00:31:43,618
  2270. there's some evil forces
  2271. or something in there.
  2272.  
  2273. 472
  2274. 00:31:43,653 --> 00:31:47,105
  2275. But, I mean, who says
  2276. that can't happen to us?
  2277.  
  2278. 473
  2279. 00:31:47,139 --> 00:31:50,798
  2280. The first time Barry showed me
  2281. the reactor in operation,
  2282.  
  2283. 474
  2284. 00:31:50,832 --> 00:31:52,282
  2285. you know, here it is
  2286. on the bench,
  2287.  
  2288. 475
  2289. 00:31:52,317 --> 00:31:54,974
  2290. and he said, you know, "Try
  2291. and touch the sphere on top."
  2292.  
  2293. 476
  2294. 00:31:55,009 --> 00:31:57,943
  2295. And you couldn't,
  2296. your hand was pushed away.
  2297.  
  2298. 477
  2299. 00:31:57,977 --> 00:32:01,153
  2300. Just like in two
  2301. light poles of a magnet.
  2302.  
  2303. 478
  2304. 00:32:01,188 --> 00:32:05,088
  2305. It's the exact same feeling. But
  2306. there was no metal involved.
  2307.  
  2308. 479
  2309. 00:32:05,123 --> 00:32:06,952
  2310. And that's shocking.
  2311.  
  2312. 480
  2313. 00:32:06,986 --> 00:32:09,610
  2314. That's really shocking because
  2315. nothing does that.
  2316.  
  2317. 481
  2318. 00:32:09,644 --> 00:32:12,682
  2319. That's an operating
  2320. powerful force field.
  2321.  
  2322. 482
  2323. 00:32:12,716 --> 00:32:14,684
  2324. So just seeing
  2325. something like that
  2326.  
  2327. 483
  2328. 00:32:14,718 --> 00:32:17,514
  2329. immediately starts that whole
  2330. chain reaction in your mind
  2331.  
  2332. 484
  2333. 00:32:17,549 --> 00:32:21,622
  2334. going, "Wow, wait, if you could do this,
  2335. there could be force fields on tanks.
  2336.  
  2337. 485
  2338. 00:32:21,656 --> 00:32:23,175
  2339. There can be things
  2340. that lift off the ground.
  2341.  
  2342. 486
  2343. 00:32:23,210 --> 00:32:24,970
  2344. We don't need jet
  2345. and rocket engines anymore.
  2346.  
  2347. 487
  2348. 00:32:25,004 --> 00:32:26,592
  2349. That means, wait, there's no
  2350. use for cars." I mean, boom!
  2351.  
  2352. 488
  2353. 00:32:26,627 --> 00:32:31,183
  2354. The whole thing changes the entire
  2355. world, the economy, everything.
  2356.  
  2357. 489
  2358. 00:32:31,218 --> 00:32:36,878
  2359. We'd go end-on-end just if we had an
  2360. answer to how that machine worked
  2361.  
  2362. 490
  2363. 00:32:36,913 --> 00:32:38,777
  2364. that I was sitting there,
  2365. touching.
  2366.  
  2367. 491
  2368. 00:32:38,811 --> 00:32:42,574
  2369. The potential for us
  2370. to re-understand
  2371.  
  2372. 492
  2373. 00:32:42,608 --> 00:32:45,818
  2374. human experience is--Right.
  2375.  
  2376. 493
  2377. 00:32:45,853 --> 00:32:49,201
  2378. Right. I mean,
  2379. there's life somewhere else.
  2380.  
  2381. 494
  2382. 00:32:49,236 --> 00:32:50,685
  2383. It's a big deal.
  2384.  
  2385. 495
  2386. 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,275
  2387. It's an important part of human
  2388. history that we've found that out.
  2389.  
  2390. 496
  2391. 00:32:55,518 --> 00:32:56,795
  2392. It was...
  2393.  
  2394. 497
  2395. 00:32:57,865 --> 00:33:01,075
  2396. Awesome but fearsome
  2397. at the same time.
  2398.  
  2399. 498
  2400. 00:33:03,008 --> 00:33:07,564
  2401. It was being completely
  2402. fucking scared all day long.
  2403.  
  2404. 499
  2405. 00:33:07,599 --> 00:33:11,050
  2406. It's not exactly the most
  2407. fun job when you're there.
  2408.  
  2409. 500
  2410. 00:33:11,085 --> 00:33:14,295
  2411. You know, almost three decades
  2412. later, the fear drops off
  2413.  
  2414. 501
  2415. 00:33:14,330 --> 00:33:18,851
  2416. and you're just left with the amazement
  2417. and technology that you were exposed to.
  2418.  
  2419. 502
  2420. 00:33:18,886 --> 00:33:22,924
  2421. Here we have an artifact here
  2422. from another civilization.
  2423.  
  2424. 503
  2425. 00:33:22,959 --> 00:33:25,824
  2426. It really changes the way
  2427. a lot of people think.
  2428.  
  2429. 504
  2430. 00:33:25,858 --> 00:33:27,757
  2431. We're all looking
  2432. for an answer.
  2433.  
  2434. 505
  2435. 00:33:27,791 --> 00:33:32,002
  2436. Having physical proof
  2437. is an awful big deal.
  2438.  
  2439. 506
  2440. 00:33:32,037 --> 00:33:34,729
  2441. I think what a lot of people
  2442. find really compelling about Bob,
  2443.  
  2444. 507
  2445. 00:33:34,764 --> 00:33:38,077
  2446. he legitimately appeared...
  2447.  
  2448. 508
  2449. 00:33:38,112 --> 00:33:41,460
  2450. And appears sometimes
  2451. just perplexed by what he saw.
  2452.  
  2453. 509
  2454. 00:33:41,495 --> 00:33:43,704
  2455. Have you noticed
  2456. that about him?
  2457.  
  2458. 510
  2459. 00:33:43,738 --> 00:33:45,982
  2460. Yeah, he was aware
  2461. that this was weird.
  2462.  
  2463. 511
  2464. 00:33:46,016 --> 00:33:48,640
  2465. He was aware it was weird
  2466. that they hired him.
  2467.  
  2468. 512
  2469. 00:33:48,674 --> 00:33:50,262
  2470. I mean, you know,
  2471. he's a smart guy,
  2472.  
  2473. 513
  2474. 00:33:50,297 --> 00:33:53,369
  2475. and he thinks outside the box.
  2476. So in a lot of ways,
  2477.  
  2478. 514
  2479. 00:33:53,403 --> 00:33:56,613
  2480. he might have been just
  2481. exactly what they needed
  2482.  
  2483. 515
  2484. 00:33:56,648 --> 00:33:59,306
  2485. for a program that
  2486. seemed to be stalled.
  2487.  
  2488. 516
  2489. 00:33:59,340 --> 00:34:03,068
  2490. But he knew that he wasn't
  2491. their kind of a guy,
  2492.  
  2493. 517
  2494. 00:34:03,102 --> 00:34:06,313
  2495. that they could have had their pick
  2496. of any scientist in the world,
  2497.  
  2498. 518
  2499. 00:34:06,347 --> 00:34:08,142
  2500. presumably, to work on this.
  2501.  
  2502. 519
  2503. 00:34:08,176 --> 00:34:11,041
  2504. So it was strange, and it was strange
  2505. that they started showing him
  2506.  
  2507. 520
  2508. 00:34:11,076 --> 00:34:15,045
  2509. these briefing books with this
  2510. incredibly sensitive information.
  2511.  
  2512. 521
  2513. 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:16,702
  2514. Right off the bat.
  2515.  
  2516. 522
  2517. 00:34:16,737 --> 00:34:18,808
  2518. As soon as he gets there, they
  2519. start showing him this stuff
  2520.  
  2521. 523
  2522. 00:34:18,842 --> 00:34:22,052
  2523. with alien bodies broken down
  2524.  
  2525. 524
  2526. 00:34:22,087 --> 00:34:24,745
  2527. so he could see their organs
  2528. and the history
  2529.  
  2530. 525
  2531. 00:34:24,779 --> 00:34:28,369
  2532. of human-alien interaction
  2533. and all kinds of things
  2534.  
  2535. 526
  2536. 00:34:28,404 --> 00:34:30,578
  2537. that the UFO community
  2538. had suspected
  2539.  
  2540. 527
  2541. 00:34:30,613 --> 00:34:33,581
  2542. but no one could prove, and
  2543. he just thought it was weird
  2544.  
  2545. 528
  2546. 00:34:33,616 --> 00:34:35,963
  2547. that anyone would
  2548. show him this stuff.
  2549.  
  2550. 529
  2551. 00:34:35,997 --> 00:34:37,758
  2552. He wondered what the heck
  2553. was going on.
  2554.  
  2555. 530
  2556. 00:34:37,792 --> 00:34:40,139
  2557. I think he was thrilled, you know,
  2558. part of him was really thrilled
  2559.  
  2560. 531
  2561. 00:34:40,174 --> 00:34:42,038
  2562. to be there and thrilled
  2563. to see it,
  2564.  
  2565. 532
  2566. 00:34:42,072 --> 00:34:45,179
  2567. even if it turned out to be
  2568. some kind of a ruse.
  2569.  
  2570. 533
  2571. 00:34:45,213 --> 00:34:48,976
  2572. But, you know, he knew that
  2573. something was not quite right
  2574.  
  2575. 534
  2576. 00:34:49,010 --> 00:34:52,531
  2577. about the whole thing,
  2578. or suspected that anyway.
  2579.  
  2580. 535
  2581. 00:34:52,566 --> 00:34:57,087
  2582. You were telling people since 1989
  2583. that there was some sort of hand scanner,
  2584.  
  2585. 536
  2586. 00:34:57,122 --> 00:35:00,781
  2587. there was like a bone scanner. and
  2588. you tried to describe it. You said
  2589.  
  2590. 537
  2591. 00:35:00,815 --> 00:35:02,852
  2592. you think it took measurements
  2593. of the bone,
  2594.  
  2595. 538
  2596. 00:35:02,886 --> 00:35:04,785
  2597. there were these pegs,
  2598. you put your hand on it.
  2599.  
  2600. 539
  2601. 00:35:04,819 --> 00:35:08,996
  2602. It's a small plate with some pins on
  2603. it that you could put between your fingers.
  2604.  
  2605. 540
  2606. 00:35:09,030 --> 00:35:10,411
  2607. There's a bright
  2608. light above it...
  2609.  
  2610. 541
  2611. 00:35:10,446 --> 00:35:13,794
  2612. The interesting thing is when
  2613. you walk into the facility,
  2614.  
  2615. 542
  2616. 00:35:13,828 --> 00:35:17,625
  2617. or even to leave,
  2618. they have a hand reader.
  2619.  
  2620. 543
  2621. 00:35:17,660 --> 00:35:20,663
  2622. I was told that it has to do
  2623. something where it measures the...
  2624.  
  2625. 544
  2626. 00:35:20,697 --> 00:35:24,529
  2627. A bright light measures the bones in your
  2628. finger, they're unique to each person.
  2629.  
  2630. 545
  2631. 00:35:24,563 --> 00:35:29,292
  2632. It sounds like something out of a TV
  2633. show, but it's exactly the way it is.
  2634.  
  2635. 546
  2636. 00:35:29,327 --> 00:35:32,709
  2637. I looked for that kind
  2638. of thing all over the Internet,
  2639.  
  2640. 547
  2641. 00:35:32,744 --> 00:35:36,161
  2642. I never found anything,
  2643. and then all of a sudden,
  2644.  
  2645. 548
  2646. 00:35:36,195 --> 00:35:40,717
  2647. this article comes out and it
  2648. says that at the Nellis Range,
  2649.  
  2650. 549
  2651. 00:35:40,752 --> 00:35:43,375
  2652. they were talking about
  2653. the stealth program,
  2654.  
  2655. 550
  2656. 00:35:43,410 --> 00:35:47,275
  2657. there was indeed this hand scanner
  2658. that was used in the secret programs,
  2659.  
  2660. 551
  2661. 00:35:47,310 --> 00:35:50,382
  2662. and they just admitted
  2663. or announced it publicly,
  2664.  
  2665. 552
  2666. 00:35:50,417 --> 00:35:54,455
  2667. and there were some photos, and
  2668. I just was interested and so...
  2669.  
  2670. 553
  2671. 00:35:56,354 --> 00:35:58,666
  2672. I never thought I'd see
  2673. one of these again.
  2674.  
  2675. 554
  2676. 00:36:00,047 --> 00:36:01,807
  2677. But I tried to explain this
  2678. to people so many times,
  2679.  
  2680. 555
  2681. 00:36:01,842 --> 00:36:05,328
  2682. and they either didn't believe me or
  2683. say, "Yeah, yeah, I'm sure there is."
  2684.  
  2685. 556
  2686. 00:36:06,847 --> 00:36:08,918
  2687. And there is it.
  2688. There it is.
  2689.  
  2690. 557
  2691. 00:36:08,952 --> 00:36:10,920
  2692. It's like a biometric
  2693. thing for the hands, yeah?
  2694.  
  2695. 558
  2696. 00:36:10,954 --> 00:36:14,302
  2697. The beginnings of, yeah, I mean, it
  2698. wasn't all that advanced back then
  2699.  
  2700. 559
  2701. 00:36:14,337 --> 00:36:16,063
  2702. but, yeah, that's it.
  2703.  
  2704. 560
  2705. 00:36:17,616 --> 00:36:21,655
  2706. I can't believe you found a
  2707. picture of this. I really can't.
  2708.  
  2709. 561
  2710. 00:36:21,689 --> 00:36:24,934
  2711. This was the scanner
  2712. used to get in to S4.
  2713.  
  2714. 562
  2715. 00:36:24,968 --> 00:36:28,247
  2716. And I tried to explain this
  2717. to people so many times
  2718.  
  2719. 563
  2720. 00:36:28,282 --> 00:36:31,319
  2721. that there were pins in you
  2722. stuck your hand, a light above,
  2723.  
  2724. 564
  2725. 00:36:31,354 --> 00:36:34,909
  2726. and it supposedly measured the
  2727. length of the bones in your hand
  2728.  
  2729. 565
  2730. 00:36:34,944 --> 00:36:37,843
  2731. that, you know, is unique
  2732. in each individual.
  2733.  
  2734. 566
  2735. 00:36:39,638 --> 00:36:42,469
  2736. It's exactly how it was.
  2737.  
  2738. 567
  2739. 00:36:44,609 --> 00:36:48,613
  2740. Yeah, that's amazing. It's
  2741. amazing you came up with these.
  2742.  
  2743. 568
  2744. 00:36:48,647 --> 00:36:50,787
  2745. It's amazing
  2746. to see this again.
  2747.  
  2748. 569
  2749. 00:36:52,271 --> 00:36:55,378
  2750. Back then,
  2751. this was the hot thing.
  2752.  
  2753. 570
  2754. 00:36:55,413 --> 00:36:58,346
  2755. What does it feel like when
  2756. these little things that you said
  2757.  
  2758. 571
  2759. 00:36:58,381 --> 00:37:01,108
  2760. become public, and there's
  2761. this tiny bit of vindication--
  2762.  
  2763. 572
  2764. 00:37:01,142 --> 00:37:03,110
  2765. It is, there's little moments
  2766. of vindication,
  2767.  
  2768. 573
  2769. 00:37:03,144 --> 00:37:04,939
  2770. you know, little pieces
  2771. here and there,
  2772.  
  2773. 574
  2774. 00:37:04,974 --> 00:37:07,873
  2775. little I-told-you-so's,
  2776. you know,
  2777.  
  2778. 575
  2779. 00:37:09,219 --> 00:37:12,499
  2780. pop up every couple of years
  2781. or so, but this is a big one.
  2782.  
  2783. 576
  2784. 00:37:13,983 --> 00:37:16,399
  2785. 'Cause a lot of people
  2786. said these didn't exist,
  2787.  
  2788. 577
  2789. 00:37:17,952 --> 00:37:21,093
  2790. and, yeah, it was some just...
  2791.  
  2792. 578
  2793. 00:37:21,128 --> 00:37:24,994
  2794. fanciful thing I came up with.
  2795. But, yeah, this is exactly it.
  2796.  
  2797. 579
  2798. 00:37:27,514 --> 00:37:31,449
  2799. Ideas are the most
  2800. dangerous weapons on the planet.
  2801.  
  2802. 580
  2803. 00:37:31,483 --> 00:37:32,933
  2804. They creep under your skin.
  2805.  
  2806. 581
  2807. 00:37:32,967 --> 00:37:37,524
  2808. Dormant, volatile, explosive.
  2809.  
  2810. 582
  2811. 00:37:39,318 --> 00:37:41,873
  2812. They attach to our
  2813. collective consciousness.
  2814.  
  2815. 583
  2816. 00:37:41,907 --> 00:37:46,567
  2817. And then one day, they bubble to the
  2818. surface to assert their power...
  2819.  
  2820. 584
  2821. 00:37:54,333 --> 00:37:56,059
  2822. And when detonated,
  2823.  
  2824. 585
  2825. 00:37:57,060 --> 00:38:00,478
  2826. life is never the same again.
  2827.  
  2828. 586
  2829. 00:38:00,512 --> 00:38:03,998
  2830. And we immediately know
  2831. we're always wrong.
  2832.  
  2833. 587
  2834. 00:38:04,033 --> 00:38:05,828
  2835. We're always fucking wrong.
  2836.  
  2837. 588
  2838. 00:38:14,043 --> 00:38:16,942
  2839. I did not believe that this
  2840. should be a security matter.
  2841.  
  2842. 589
  2843. 00:38:16,977 --> 00:38:18,841
  2844. Some of it, sure.
  2845.  
  2846. 590
  2847. 00:38:18,875 --> 00:38:22,500
  2848. But just the concept
  2849. that there's definite proof...
  2850.  
  2851. 591
  2852. 00:38:22,534 --> 00:38:27,263
  2853. We even have articles from
  2854. another world, another system,
  2855.  
  2856. 592
  2857. 00:38:27,297 --> 00:38:29,161
  2858. you just can't
  2859. not tell everyone.
  2860.  
  2861. 593
  2862. 00:38:29,196 --> 00:38:32,268
  2863. Checking out Lazar's
  2864. credentials prove to be a difficult task.
  2865.  
  2866. 594
  2867. 00:38:32,302 --> 00:38:34,788
  2868. He says he earned degrees
  2869. in physics and electronics,
  2870.  
  2871. 595
  2872. 00:38:34,822 --> 00:38:37,860
  2873. but the schools we contacted say
  2874. they've never heard of him.
  2875.  
  2876. 596
  2877. 00:38:37,894 --> 00:38:41,519
  2878. He also said he worked as a physicist
  2879. at Los Alamos National Lab,
  2880.  
  2881. 597
  2882. 00:38:41,553 --> 00:38:44,073
  2883. where he experimented with
  2884. one of the world's largest
  2885.  
  2886. 598
  2887. 00:38:44,107 --> 00:38:47,352
  2888. particle beam accelerators,
  2889. a half-mile long behemoth
  2890.  
  2891. 599
  2892. 00:38:47,386 --> 00:38:50,182
  2893. capable of generating
  2894. 700 million volts.
  2895.  
  2896. 600
  2897. 00:38:50,217 --> 00:38:51,805
  2898. Los Alamos officials told us
  2899.  
  2900. 601
  2901. 00:38:51,839 --> 00:38:55,049
  2902. they had no records of a Robert
  2903. Lazar ever working there.
  2904.  
  2905. 602
  2906. 00:38:55,084 --> 00:38:57,224
  2907. They were either
  2908. mistaken or were lying.
  2909.  
  2910. 603
  2911. 00:38:57,258 --> 00:39:00,538
  2912. A 1982 phone book
  2913. from the lab lists Lazar
  2914.  
  2915. 604
  2916. 00:39:00,572 --> 00:39:03,471
  2917. right there among the other
  2918. scientists and technicians.
  2919.  
  2920. 605
  2921. 00:39:03,506 --> 00:39:06,923
  2922. A 1982 clipping from
  2923. the Los Alamos newspaper
  2924.  
  2925. 606
  2926. 00:39:06,958 --> 00:39:09,374
  2927. profiled Lazar and his
  2928. interest in jet cars.
  2929.  
  2930. 607
  2931. 00:39:09,408 --> 00:39:12,550
  2932. It, too, mentioned his employment
  2933. at the lab as a physicist.
  2934.  
  2935. 608
  2936. 00:39:12,584 --> 00:39:16,105
  2937. We called Los Alamos again, and
  2938. an exasperated official told us
  2939.  
  2940. 609
  2941. 00:39:16,139 --> 00:39:18,210
  2942. he still had
  2943. no records on Lazar.
  2944.  
  2945. 610
  2946. 00:39:18,245 --> 00:39:21,524
  2947. EG&G, which is where Lazar
  2948. says he was interviewed
  2949.  
  2950. 611
  2951. 00:39:21,559 --> 00:39:24,769
  2952. for the job at S4,
  2953. also has no records.
  2954.  
  2955. 612
  2956. 00:39:24,803 --> 00:39:26,736
  2957. It's as if someone has
  2958. made him disappear.
  2959.  
  2960. 613
  2961. 00:39:26,771 --> 00:39:29,497
  2962. One thing that people say
  2963. about your story and your experience
  2964.  
  2965. 614
  2966. 00:39:29,532 --> 00:39:32,086
  2967. is that you were a puppet,
  2968. a marionette,
  2969.  
  2970. 615
  2971. 00:39:32,121 --> 00:39:35,952
  2972. that you had no control over
  2973. what was going on at that time,
  2974.  
  2975. 616
  2976. 00:39:35,987 --> 00:39:38,334
  2977. that you were taken advantage of
  2978. or compromised,
  2979.  
  2980. 617
  2981. 00:39:38,368 --> 00:39:40,681
  2982. and you were being used
  2983. as a source of disinformation.
  2984.  
  2985. 618
  2986. 00:39:40,716 --> 00:39:42,510
  2987. And what evidence
  2988. to support that?
  2989.  
  2990. 619
  2991. 00:39:44,133 --> 00:39:45,306
  2992. Right--Yeah.
  2993.  
  2994. 620
  2995. 00:39:45,341 --> 00:39:47,481
  2996. And what's the evidence
  2997. to support those claims?
  2998.  
  2999. 621
  3000. 00:39:47,515 --> 00:39:50,380
  3001. Is that just something to say? No,
  3002. I'm just saying, that's the kind--
  3003.  
  3004. 622
  3005. 00:39:50,415 --> 00:39:53,867
  3006. If you make a statement,
  3007. you have to have some evidence
  3008.  
  3009. 623
  3010. 00:39:53,901 --> 00:39:55,731
  3011. to say where the
  3012. statement came from.
  3013.  
  3014. 624
  3015. 00:39:55,765 --> 00:39:58,906
  3016. You're basing it on
  3017. emotion and fear.
  3018.  
  3019. 625
  3020. 00:39:58,941 --> 00:40:00,390
  3021. And you're afraid
  3022. that I'm right.
  3023.  
  3024. 626
  3025. 00:40:00,425 --> 00:40:03,946
  3026. Tell me what you've heard
  3027. that makes this impossible.
  3028.  
  3029. 627
  3030. 00:40:03,980 --> 00:40:06,880
  3031. I'm trying to tell you
  3032. exactly the way things were.
  3033.  
  3034. 628
  3035. 00:40:06,914 --> 00:40:13,127
  3036. Where is it? Show me the alternate
  3037. reality that you believe
  3038.  
  3039. 629
  3040. 00:40:14,197 --> 00:40:19,375
  3041. that doesn't lock up
  3042. with my actual reality.
  3043.  
  3044. 630
  3045. 00:40:19,409 --> 00:40:22,689
  3046. I mean, where are those other
  3047. facts? Show me what they are,
  3048.  
  3049. 631
  3050. 00:40:22,723 --> 00:40:24,449
  3051. these facts you
  3052. grabbed together
  3053.  
  3054. 632
  3055. 00:40:24,483 --> 00:40:28,142
  3056. and painted a different story
  3057. of my life than I did.
  3058.  
  3059. 633
  3060. 00:40:31,767 --> 00:40:35,978
  3061. I mean, I thought I set the
  3062. record straight 30 years ago.
  3063.  
  3064. 634
  3065. 00:40:36,012 --> 00:40:39,188
  3066. Can we ever be made
  3067. whole if we're not believed?
  3068.  
  3069. 635
  3070. 00:40:39,222 --> 00:40:43,192
  3071. If our life story
  3072. is challenged by consensus?
  3073.  
  3074. 636
  3075. 00:40:43,226 --> 00:40:46,229
  3076. Most of us are not forced to
  3077. answer for our past.
  3078.  
  3079. 637
  3080. 00:40:46,264 --> 00:40:51,234
  3081. We couldn't really navigate this moment
  3082. with an irreverence of what came before.
  3083.  
  3084. 638
  3085. 00:40:51,269 --> 00:40:54,582
  3086. But some people are placed
  3087. under a microscope.
  3088.  
  3089. 639
  3090. 00:40:54,617 --> 00:40:58,690
  3091. Their words, their actions
  3092. scrutinized and challenged.
  3093.  
  3094. 640
  3095. 00:40:58,725 --> 00:41:02,660
  3096. And then they're told to
  3097. quiet the lies.
  3098.  
  3099. 641
  3100. 00:41:02,694 --> 00:41:08,217
  3101. How much can a man take before he submits
  3102. to the weight and consequence of distrust?
  3103.  
  3104. 642
  3105. 00:41:08,251 --> 00:41:11,323
  3106. Does he fade back into the
  3107. shadows that formed him?
  3108.  
  3109. 643
  3110. 00:41:12,255 --> 00:41:14,257
  3111. Or does he lash out?
  3112.  
  3113. 644
  3114. 00:41:14,292 --> 00:41:18,952
  3115. To carve his words
  3116. into your flesh.
  3117.  
  3118. 645
  3119. 00:41:24,854 --> 00:41:26,718
  3120. I don't know
  3121. what else can I say.
  3122.  
  3123. 646
  3124. 00:41:28,133 --> 00:41:30,964
  3125. What else can I say?
  3126. How can I prove anything else?
  3127.  
  3128. 647
  3129. 00:41:30,998 --> 00:41:32,586
  3130. At the
  3131. worst-case scenario,
  3132.  
  3133. 648
  3134. 00:41:32,620 --> 00:41:35,554
  3135. you lied for a girl
  3136. or you lied to get a job.
  3137.  
  3138. 649
  3139. 00:41:35,589 --> 00:41:37,625
  3140. What does that mean
  3141. about your story?
  3142.  
  3143. 650
  3144. 00:41:39,317 --> 00:41:43,045
  3145. Do you think Los Alamos just
  3146. hired me out of high school?
  3147.  
  3148. 651
  3149. 00:41:47,981 --> 00:41:51,053
  3150. If you don't think
  3151. that's possible,
  3152.  
  3153. 652
  3154. 00:41:51,087 --> 00:41:54,815
  3155. then something had to
  3156. happen in between.
  3157.  
  3158. 653
  3159. 00:41:54,850 --> 00:42:00,648
  3160. I don't understand how everybody
  3161. gets so caught up in the minutiae.
  3162.  
  3163. 654
  3164. 00:42:02,236 --> 00:42:05,792
  3165. Because you can debate
  3166. that stuff forever.
  3167.  
  3168. 655
  3169. 00:42:05,826 --> 00:42:08,415
  3170. We can go back before MIT.
  3171.  
  3172. 656
  3173. 00:42:08,449 --> 00:42:11,556
  3174. And you can start fighting
  3175. whether or not,
  3176.  
  3177. 657
  3178. 00:42:11,590 --> 00:42:14,317
  3179. and where I lived
  3180. in high school.
  3181.  
  3182. 658
  3183. 00:42:14,352 --> 00:42:18,632
  3184. That is not going to translate
  3185. into answering the questions
  3186.  
  3187. 659
  3188. 00:42:20,807 --> 00:42:24,086
  3189. and the things that I have
  3190. brought into the public eye.
  3191.  
  3192. 660
  3193. 00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:25,777
  3194. That's the important stuff.
  3195.  
  3196. 661
  3197. 00:42:25,812 --> 00:42:29,125
  3198. It almost seems like this is
  3199. an intentional distraction.
  3200.  
  3201. 662
  3202. 00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:30,851
  3203. You need to pay attention
  3204. to the bigger picture.
  3205.  
  3206. 663
  3207. 00:42:30,886 --> 00:42:33,958
  3208. If you really want to
  3209. research all the other stuff,
  3210.  
  3211. 664
  3212. 00:42:33,992 --> 00:42:35,683
  3213. fine, go ahead and do it.
  3214.  
  3215. 665
  3216. 00:42:35,718 --> 00:42:39,342
  3217. But you really need to pay
  3218. attention to what I'm saying.
  3219.  
  3220. 666
  3221. 00:42:39,377 --> 00:42:42,069
  3222. 'Cause I have better things
  3223. to do than come up with this.
  3224.  
  3225. 667
  3226. 00:42:42,104 --> 00:42:44,347
  3227. I'm not interested
  3228. in doing this.
  3229.  
  3230. 668
  3231. 00:42:44,382 --> 00:42:47,523
  3232. I'm not... I don't like being
  3233. in the public eye.
  3234.  
  3235. 669
  3236. 00:42:47,557 --> 00:42:49,767
  3237. I don't have money
  3238. for doing this.
  3239.  
  3240. 670
  3241. 00:42:49,801 --> 00:42:52,390
  3242. And quite frankly,
  3243. I could make up a better lie.
  3244.  
  3245. 671
  3246. 00:42:52,424 --> 00:42:55,255
  3247. But I have
  3248. no motivation to lie.
  3249.  
  3250. 672
  3251. 00:42:56,843 --> 00:42:59,811
  3252. This hasn't helped me out.
  3253.  
  3254. 673
  3255. 00:42:59,846 --> 00:43:05,748
  3256. What does that mean for Lazar's story that
  3257. we can't prove his schooling in fact?
  3258.  
  3259. 674
  3260. 00:43:05,783 --> 00:43:09,027
  3261. It was a problem,
  3262. I mean, I wondered,
  3263.  
  3264. 675
  3265. 00:43:09,062 --> 00:43:12,168
  3266. can we go forward
  3267. if we can't verify
  3268.  
  3269. 676
  3270. 00:43:12,203 --> 00:43:13,998
  3271. what was going on
  3272. in his background?
  3273.  
  3274. 677
  3275. 00:43:14,032 --> 00:43:17,898
  3276. The central point for me was,
  3277. if he worked at Los Alamos,
  3278.  
  3279. 678
  3280. 00:43:17,933 --> 00:43:20,452
  3281. that suggests he had to
  3282. have an education somewhere.
  3283.  
  3284. 679
  3285. 00:43:20,487 --> 00:43:22,144
  3286. I think he said it to me
  3287. a couple of times, you know.
  3288.  
  3289. 680
  3290. 00:43:22,178 --> 00:43:25,216
  3291. "What do you think, they hired
  3292. me right out of high school?"
  3293.  
  3294. 681
  3295. 00:43:25,250 --> 00:43:28,426
  3296. I looked at people
  3297. who knew him back then,
  3298.  
  3299. 682
  3300. 00:43:28,460 --> 00:43:30,393
  3301. Jim Taliani for one,
  3302. who said,
  3303.  
  3304. 683
  3305. 00:43:30,428 --> 00:43:33,224
  3306. "Yeah, Bob went to Caltech back then.
  3307. I dropped him off."
  3308.  
  3309. 684
  3310. 00:43:33,258 --> 00:43:36,883
  3311. I interviewed another person
  3312. who also knew Bob then
  3313.  
  3314. 685
  3315. 00:43:36,917 --> 00:43:39,506
  3316. and said that he would
  3317. drop him off at Caltech,
  3318.  
  3319. 686
  3320. 00:43:39,540 --> 00:43:41,404
  3321. or pick him up
  3322. from the library.
  3323.  
  3324. 687
  3325. 00:43:41,439 --> 00:43:43,855
  3326. That, if he wasn't
  3327. going to school there,
  3328.  
  3329. 688
  3330. 00:43:43,890 --> 00:43:47,031
  3331. he sure was making
  3332. a good show of it back then.
  3333.  
  3334. 689
  3335. 00:43:47,065 --> 00:43:51,276
  3336. Would it prove his story about
  3337. working on flying saucers
  3338.  
  3339. 690
  3340. 00:43:51,311 --> 00:43:55,108
  3341. if he could show he had
  3342. degrees from Caltech and MIT?
  3343.  
  3344. 691
  3345. 00:43:55,142 --> 00:43:56,868
  3346. No, of course not.
  3347.  
  3348. 692
  3349. 00:43:56,903 --> 00:43:59,664
  3350. It would not prove that he
  3351. worked on flying saucers,
  3352.  
  3353. 693
  3354. 00:43:59,698 --> 00:44:02,356
  3355. it would just prove
  3356. that he went to school.
  3357.  
  3358. 694
  3359. 00:44:02,391 --> 00:44:04,565
  3360. The people who despise him
  3361.  
  3362. 695
  3363. 00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,775
  3364. and who doubt the story the
  3365. most, the debunkers,
  3366.  
  3367. 696
  3368. 00:44:07,810 --> 00:44:09,777
  3369. would find something else
  3370. to bitch about.
  3371.  
  3372. 697
  3373. 00:44:09,812 --> 00:44:14,437
  3374. Bob got into some trouble after he
  3375. became a worldwide UFO celebrity,
  3376.  
  3377. 698
  3378. 00:44:14,472 --> 00:44:16,543
  3379. he did a typical
  3380. Bob-sort-of-a-thing
  3381.  
  3382. 699
  3383. 00:44:16,577 --> 00:44:19,615
  3384. and got mixed up with some
  3385. hookers, he was helping them
  3386.  
  3387. 700
  3388. 00:44:19,649 --> 00:44:22,756
  3389. set up a mini brothel
  3390. in a neighborhood.
  3391.  
  3392. 701
  3393. 00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:24,931
  3394. And when he told me about it,
  3395. I thought, "Oh, my gosh!"
  3396.  
  3397. 702
  3398. 00:44:24,965 --> 00:44:27,657
  3399. My professional life
  3400. is flashing before my eyes.
  3401.  
  3402. 703
  3403. 00:44:27,692 --> 00:44:32,559
  3404. The most high-profile witness in
  3405. the biggest story I've ever done
  3406.  
  3407. 704
  3408. 00:44:32,593 --> 00:44:36,011
  3409. is now telling me he's involved
  3410. in this criminal enterprise,
  3411.  
  3412. 705
  3413. 00:44:36,045 --> 00:44:37,805
  3414. and he kind of thought
  3415. it was funny.
  3416.  
  3417. 706
  3418. 00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,498
  3419. But it wasn't funny to me, so I
  3420. said, "You got to stop this stuff,
  3421.  
  3422. 707
  3423. 00:44:40,532 --> 00:44:43,052
  3424. you got to shut this down."
  3425. I called the cops.
  3426.  
  3427. 708
  3428. 00:44:43,087 --> 00:44:45,434
  3429. I let some people know,
  3430. "Look, he made a mistake,
  3431.  
  3432. 709
  3433. 00:44:45,468 --> 00:44:46,918
  3434. it's being shut down."
  3435.  
  3436. 710
  3437. 00:44:46,953 --> 00:44:50,335
  3438. They raided the place, arrested Bob.
  3439. And in those days,
  3440.  
  3441. 711
  3442. 00:44:50,370 --> 00:44:52,786
  3443. they weren't many people
  3444. who were ever prosecuted
  3445.  
  3446. 712
  3447. 00:44:52,820 --> 00:44:55,823
  3448. and arrested for pandering.
  3449. Lazar was.
  3450.  
  3451. 713
  3452. 00:44:55,858 --> 00:44:58,171
  3453. So, Parole and Probation,
  3454.  
  3455. 714
  3456. 00:44:58,205 --> 00:45:00,000
  3457. they're doing
  3458. a background investigation,
  3459.  
  3460. 715
  3461. 00:45:00,035 --> 00:45:02,347
  3462. and they're going to make
  3463. a recommendation to the court
  3464.  
  3465. 716
  3466. 00:45:02,382 --> 00:45:05,385
  3467. what the sentence
  3468. should be for his crimes.
  3469.  
  3470. 717
  3471. 00:45:05,419 --> 00:45:08,181
  3472. He tells them the same story.
  3473. Where he went to school,
  3474.  
  3475. 718
  3476. 00:45:08,215 --> 00:45:09,768
  3477. where he worked, S4,
  3478.  
  3479. 719
  3480. 00:45:09,803 --> 00:45:13,048
  3481. MIT, Caltech, all that.
  3482. And they investigated.
  3483.  
  3484. 720
  3485. 00:45:13,082 --> 00:45:15,498
  3486. They were having the same
  3487. problems that I was having.
  3488.  
  3489. 721
  3490. 00:45:15,533 --> 00:45:17,535
  3491. They couldn't verify
  3492. a lot of this stuff.
  3493.  
  3494. 722
  3495. 00:45:17,569 --> 00:45:22,471
  3496. If Bob truly was
  3497. a UFO con man,
  3498.  
  3499. 723
  3500. 00:45:22,505 --> 00:45:24,680
  3501. that was the time
  3502. to come clean.
  3503.  
  3504. 724
  3505. 00:45:24,714 --> 00:45:27,510
  3506. Because Parole and Probation
  3507. was ticked off.
  3508.  
  3509. 725
  3510. 00:45:27,545 --> 00:45:29,719
  3511. They thought he was
  3512. misleading them.
  3513.  
  3514. 726
  3515. 00:45:29,754 --> 00:45:32,584
  3516. And as a result of that,
  3517. they were going to recommend,
  3518.  
  3519. 727
  3520. 00:45:32,619 --> 00:45:36,554
  3521. they did recommend, that he
  3522. do hard time, go to prison.
  3523.  
  3524. 728
  3525. 00:45:36,588 --> 00:45:39,384
  3526. He knew it. That was the time
  3527. for him to come clean.
  3528.  
  3529. 729
  3530. 00:45:39,419 --> 00:45:43,561
  3531. Because it was a much better chance
  3532. that he would not be sent to prison.
  3533.  
  3534. 730
  3535. 00:45:43,595 --> 00:45:45,252
  3536. He didn't.
  3537. He stuck to his story.
  3538.  
  3539. 731
  3540. 00:45:45,287 --> 00:45:48,186
  3541. He told them the same story
  3542. that he told me.
  3543.  
  3544. 732
  3545. 00:45:48,221 --> 00:45:49,843
  3546. That went a long way for me
  3547.  
  3548. 733
  3549. 00:45:49,877 --> 00:45:52,639
  3550. in showing that he had
  3551. been telling the truth.
  3552.  
  3553. 734
  3554. 00:45:52,673 --> 00:45:57,161
  3555. Because it was definitely in his
  3556. own self-interest to fess up
  3557.  
  3558. 735
  3559. 00:45:57,195 --> 00:46:01,406
  3560. at that point, and that's not what he did.
  3561. He stuck to his guns.
  3562.  
  3563. 736
  3564. 00:46:01,441 --> 00:46:03,891
  3565. And here's the thing,
  3566. I could see Bob Lazar
  3567.  
  3568. 737
  3569. 00:46:03,926 --> 00:46:06,894
  3570. pranks the UFO world
  3571. and the UFO community,
  3572.  
  3573. 738
  3574. 00:46:06,929 --> 00:46:09,311
  3575. I could see him doing
  3576. something like that.
  3577.  
  3578. 739
  3579. 00:46:09,345 --> 00:46:11,589
  3580. But does he lie
  3581. to his mom and dad?
  3582.  
  3583. 740
  3584. 00:46:11,623 --> 00:46:13,418
  3585. Does he lie to his wife?
  3586.  
  3587. 741
  3588. 00:46:13,453 --> 00:46:17,077
  3589. Does he lie to all of his close
  3590. friends and tell them the same story
  3591.  
  3592. 742
  3593. 00:46:17,112 --> 00:46:18,906
  3594. and try to get away with it?
  3595.  
  3596. 743
  3597. 00:46:18,941 --> 00:46:21,806
  3598. If you look back on the people who
  3599. knew him while this was going on,
  3600.  
  3601. 744
  3602. 00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,947
  3603. who knew him before he was
  3604. hired to work out at S4,
  3605.  
  3606. 745
  3607. 00:46:24,982 --> 00:46:28,847
  3608. who knew him during the time he was
  3609. going back and forth out there,
  3610.  
  3611. 746
  3612. 00:46:28,882 --> 00:46:30,711
  3613. and who stuck by him
  3614.  
  3615. 747
  3616. 00:46:30,746 --> 00:46:34,336
  3617. after this whirlwind
  3618. of international publicity
  3619.  
  3620. 748
  3621. 00:46:34,370 --> 00:46:36,096
  3622. kind of rained down
  3623. on his head.
  3624.  
  3625. 749
  3626. 00:46:36,131 --> 00:46:39,168
  3627. Everyone who knew him,
  3628. everyone who was close to him
  3629.  
  3630. 750
  3631. 00:46:39,203 --> 00:46:41,929
  3632. supports his story and says
  3633. he's telling the truth.
  3634.  
  3635. 751
  3636. 00:46:41,964 --> 00:46:44,346
  3637. You saw something up
  3638. there that you think might have been--
  3639.  
  3640. 752
  3641. 00:46:44,380 --> 00:46:48,212
  3642. I hate... I really hate to say
  3643. stuff that I can't put my hands on
  3644.  
  3645. 753
  3646. 00:46:48,246 --> 00:46:51,077
  3647. and say this is
  3648. absolutely for sure. What did you see?
  3649.  
  3650. 754
  3651. 00:46:51,111 --> 00:46:55,702
  3652. I walked down the hallway and, one
  3653. time, I was working out there
  3654.  
  3655. 755
  3656. 00:46:55,736 --> 00:46:58,532
  3657. and there were doors, the
  3658. doors that go to the hangars,
  3659.  
  3660. 756
  3661. 00:46:58,567 --> 00:47:01,846
  3662. the smaller doors from the
  3663. corridors that have a 9-inch,
  3664.  
  3665. 757
  3666. 00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,607
  3667. or 12-inch square window with a
  3668. little wires running through it
  3669.  
  3670. 758
  3671. 00:47:04,642 --> 00:47:08,266
  3672. just about head level,
  3673. and as I was walking by,
  3674.  
  3675. 759
  3676. 00:47:08,301 --> 00:47:09,992
  3677. I just glanced in
  3678. and I noticed...
  3679.  
  3680. 760
  3681. 00:47:11,338 --> 00:47:13,754
  3682. At a quick glance, there was...
  3683.  
  3684. 761
  3685. 00:47:13,789 --> 00:47:16,481
  3686. There were two guys
  3687. in white lab coats
  3688.  
  3689. 762
  3690. 00:47:17,931 --> 00:47:21,245
  3691. facing me towards the door and
  3692. they were looking down and talking
  3693.  
  3694. 763
  3695. 00:47:21,279 --> 00:47:24,800
  3696. to something small
  3697. with long arms.
  3698.  
  3699. 764
  3700. 00:47:24,834 --> 00:47:29,218
  3701. Now, I was just surprised as I walked
  3702. by and I only caught a glimpse.
  3703.  
  3704. 765
  3705. 00:47:29,253 --> 00:47:32,739
  3706. But I don't know
  3707. what on earth that was.
  3708.  
  3709. 766
  3710. 00:47:32,773 --> 00:47:37,640
  3711. People say you saw an alien.
  3712. Did you see an alien at S4, Bob?
  3713.  
  3714. 767
  3715. 00:47:37,675 --> 00:47:39,953
  3716. I don't think
  3717. I saw an alien at S4.
  3718.  
  3719. 768
  3720. 00:47:39,987 --> 00:47:42,404
  3721. You know, we're
  3722. splitting hairs here.
  3723.  
  3724. 769
  3725. 00:47:42,438 --> 00:47:45,407
  3726. This had to do with a
  3727. glance through a window
  3728.  
  3729. 770
  3730. 00:47:45,441 --> 00:47:48,203
  3731. that I wasn't supposed
  3732. to be looking at anyway.
  3733.  
  3734. 771
  3735. 00:47:48,237 --> 00:47:50,101
  3736. And I'm still convinced.
  3737.  
  3738. 772
  3739. 00:47:50,136 --> 00:47:55,175
  3740. I looked in the window and I
  3741. think these guys had a doll
  3742.  
  3743. 773
  3744. 00:47:55,210 --> 00:47:59,662
  3745. in a small chair which was, you know,
  3746. similar to what was in the craft.
  3747.  
  3748. 774
  3749. 00:48:00,905 --> 00:48:03,425
  3750. And I think they were
  3751. just looking at dimensions
  3752.  
  3753. 775
  3754. 00:48:03,459 --> 00:48:04,874
  3755. and they put
  3756. something in there.
  3757.  
  3758. 776
  3759. 00:48:04,909 --> 00:48:07,808
  3760. And I had just taken a glance
  3761. and it was just, you know,
  3762.  
  3763. 777
  3764. 00:48:07,843 --> 00:48:10,087
  3765. something tiny
  3766. sitting in the chair.
  3767.  
  3768. 778
  3769. 00:48:10,121 --> 00:48:12,986
  3770. I don't think there was an alien
  3771. in there posing for them.
  3772.  
  3773. 779
  3774. 00:48:13,020 --> 00:48:16,990
  3775. You know, I think they just had
  3776. a small character or something.
  3777.  
  3778. 780
  3779. 00:48:17,024 --> 00:48:21,063
  3780. You know, doing measurements or something.
  3781. Again, we're talking about, you know,
  3782.  
  3783. 781
  3784. 00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,067
  3785. like a 400 millisecond
  3786. glance, so...
  3787.  
  3788. 782
  3789. 00:48:26,310 --> 00:48:27,932
  3790. Now, how much
  3791. can you see out of that?
  3792.  
  3793. 783
  3794. 00:48:27,966 --> 00:48:30,486
  3795. I never saw any aliens
  3796. walking around there.
  3797.  
  3798. 784
  3799. 00:48:30,521 --> 00:48:34,041
  3800. I never heard anybody saying
  3801. anything about living aliens, so...
  3802.  
  3803. 785
  3804. 00:48:34,076 --> 00:48:35,905
  3805. I don't think that was it.
  3806.  
  3807. 786
  3808. 00:48:35,940 --> 00:48:40,151
  3809. But they did have a nickname
  3810. for the aliens--
  3811.  
  3812. 787
  3813. 00:48:40,186 --> 00:48:41,497
  3814. "The kids."
  3815.  
  3816. 788
  3817. 00:48:42,222 --> 00:48:43,741
  3818. The kids.
  3819.  
  3820. 789
  3821. 00:48:49,954 --> 00:48:52,025
  3822. Is someone else here?
  3823.  
  3824. 790
  3825. 00:48:52,059 --> 00:48:54,131
  3826. Maybe visitors
  3827. interested in us?
  3828.  
  3829. 791
  3830. 00:48:54,855 --> 00:48:57,893
  3831. In our genes, in our souls?
  3832.  
  3833. 792
  3834. 00:48:59,619 --> 00:49:03,726
  3835. Maybe we're property,
  3836. just a goddamn commodity.
  3837.  
  3838. 793
  3839. 00:49:04,244 --> 00:49:06,729
  3840. Or like livestock.
  3841.  
  3842. 794
  3843. 00:49:06,764 --> 00:49:09,905
  3844. Maybe they'd like
  3845. our condors and cupcakes.
  3846.  
  3847. 795
  3848. 00:49:09,939 --> 00:49:12,770
  3849. A kimono or a top hat,
  3850. who the fuck knows?
  3851.  
  3852. 796
  3853. 00:49:13,874 --> 00:49:17,844
  3854. Or maybe, every single
  3855. sighting of things in the sky
  3856.  
  3857. 797
  3858. 00:49:17,878 --> 00:49:21,123
  3859. is a product of our
  3860. collective consciousness.
  3861.  
  3862. 798
  3863. 00:49:21,158 --> 00:49:24,540
  3864. A false hope that humanity
  3865. desperately needs
  3866.  
  3867. 799
  3868. 00:49:24,575 --> 00:49:26,853
  3869. intervention
  3870. by external powers.
  3871.  
  3872. 800
  3873. 00:49:28,095 --> 00:49:30,719
  3874. We've always looked
  3875. to the skies for answers
  3876.  
  3877. 801
  3878. 00:49:31,754 --> 00:49:34,205
  3879. instead of looking
  3880. into ourselves.
  3881.  
  3882. 802
  3883. 00:49:38,209 --> 00:49:41,212
  3884. All right, so when, at
  3885. what point... Describe the evolution
  3886.  
  3887. 803
  3888. 00:49:41,247 --> 00:49:43,870
  3889. of your knowledge here, I mean,
  3890. that you realized that this thing
  3891.  
  3892. 804
  3893. 00:49:43,904 --> 00:49:46,597
  3894. that you were working on
  3895. came out of a flying saucer?
  3896.  
  3897. 805
  3898. 00:49:48,012 --> 00:49:51,084
  3899. Well, of course, I know that
  3900. technology doesn't exist at all.
  3901.  
  3902. 806
  3903. 00:49:51,118 --> 00:49:53,224
  3904. Why? It doesn't.
  3905.  
  3906. 807
  3907. 00:49:53,259 --> 00:49:54,501
  3908. Take my word for it.
  3909.  
  3910. 808
  3911. 00:49:56,054 --> 00:49:57,297
  3912. It's...
  3913.  
  3914. 809
  3915. 00:50:00,887 --> 00:50:03,061
  3916. It's just technology
  3917. that doesn't exist yet.
  3918.  
  3919. 810
  3920. 00:50:03,096 --> 00:50:06,064
  3921. I mean, you're talking
  3922. about... There is...
  3923.  
  3924. 811
  3925. 00:50:06,099 --> 00:50:08,826
  3926. Science doesn't even know
  3927. what gravity is,
  3928.  
  3929. 812
  3930. 00:50:08,860 --> 00:50:11,829
  3931. much less how to
  3932. produce it or control it.
  3933.  
  3934. 813
  3935. 00:50:11,863 --> 00:50:15,039
  3936. And here is a device that's
  3937. producing it and controlling it
  3938.  
  3939. 814
  3940. 00:50:15,073 --> 00:50:17,835
  3941. and using it as propulsion,
  3942. so...
  3943.  
  3944. 815
  3945. 00:50:19,871 --> 00:50:22,426
  3946. You're telling me
  3947. there's a different physics?
  3948.  
  3949. 816
  3950. 00:50:22,460 --> 00:50:24,359
  3951. That was your job,
  3952. you were working on that?
  3953.  
  3954. 817
  3955. 00:50:24,393 --> 00:50:27,154
  3956. The science was something
  3957. we were trying to figure out.
  3958.  
  3959. 818
  3960. 00:50:27,189 --> 00:50:30,261
  3961. But we knew how the devices
  3962. would operate.
  3963.  
  3964. 819
  3965. 00:50:30,296 --> 00:50:32,953
  3966. You know, for instance,
  3967. the propulsion of the craft,
  3968.  
  3969. 820
  3970. 00:50:33,506 --> 00:50:35,715
  3971. everything that we have,
  3972.  
  3973. 821
  3974. 00:50:35,749 --> 00:50:39,891
  3975. whether it's a propeller plane
  3976. or a jet or a rocket,
  3977.  
  3978. 822
  3979. 00:50:40,789 --> 00:50:43,101
  3980. it throws something
  3981. out the back.
  3982.  
  3983. 823
  3984. 00:50:43,136 --> 00:50:46,726
  3985. Either high-speed exhaust,
  3986. or a large volume of air.
  3987.  
  3988. 824
  3989. 00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:48,762
  3990. It's an
  3991. action-reaction force.
  3992.  
  3993. 825
  3994. 00:50:48,797 --> 00:50:51,075
  3995. The action is, you throw
  3996. something out the back,
  3997.  
  3998. 826
  3999. 00:50:51,109 --> 00:50:53,733
  4000. and it moves you forward,
  4001. it's how everything works.
  4002.  
  4003. 827
  4004. 00:50:53,767 --> 00:50:56,598
  4005. This is the first time
  4006. there's a craft,
  4007.  
  4008. 828
  4009. 00:50:56,632 --> 00:50:59,359
  4010. it's a reaction-less craft.
  4011.  
  4012. 829
  4013. 00:50:59,394 --> 00:51:01,188
  4014. It's a field-propulsion craft.
  4015.  
  4016. 830
  4017. 00:51:01,223 --> 00:51:03,398
  4018. And what it does
  4019. is it creates a distortion
  4020.  
  4021. 831
  4022. 00:51:03,432 --> 00:51:08,506
  4023. in space and time in front of
  4024. it. Where space actually bends.
  4025.  
  4026. 832
  4027. 00:51:08,541 --> 00:51:11,889
  4028. And my analogy to that
  4029. has always been
  4030.  
  4031. 833
  4032. 00:51:11,923 --> 00:51:14,478
  4033. you put a bowling ball
  4034. in the middle of your bed
  4035.  
  4036. 834
  4037. 00:51:14,512 --> 00:51:15,824
  4038. and then a foot
  4039. in front of it,
  4040.  
  4041. 835
  4042. 00:51:15,858 --> 00:51:18,067
  4043. take your fist and push
  4044. down on the mattress,
  4045.  
  4046. 836
  4047. 00:51:18,102 --> 00:51:20,691
  4048. the bowling ball
  4049. will roll towards it.
  4050.  
  4051. 837
  4052. 00:51:20,725 --> 00:51:22,451
  4053. And that's exactly
  4054. how the craft worked.
  4055.  
  4056. 838
  4057. 00:51:22,486 --> 00:51:26,352
  4058. It creates a distortion right in front
  4059. of it and the craft follows forward.
  4060.  
  4061. 839
  4062. 00:51:26,386 --> 00:51:28,457
  4063. Right. So there's
  4064. a different physics that--
  4065.  
  4066. 840
  4067. 00:51:28,492 --> 00:51:32,634
  4068. Well, the science that explains
  4069. how the technology works.
  4070.  
  4071. 841
  4072. 00:51:32,668 --> 00:51:34,601
  4073. I mean, it's all
  4074. encompassed as one thing,
  4075.  
  4076. 842
  4077. 00:51:34,636 --> 00:51:37,363
  4078. alien technology and science.
  4079.  
  4080. 843
  4081. 00:51:37,397 --> 00:51:39,365
  4082. What is the big picture?
  4083.  
  4084. 844
  4085. 00:51:39,399 --> 00:51:44,680
  4086. What is the takeaway of your
  4087. story after you're gone?
  4088.  
  4089. 845
  4090. 00:51:44,715 --> 00:51:46,510
  4091. You're not a rebel kid
  4092.  
  4093. 846
  4094. 00:51:46,544 --> 00:51:49,271
  4095. with a jet car
  4096. at Los Alamos today.
  4097.  
  4098. 847
  4099. 00:51:49,306 --> 00:51:51,687
  4100. Today's a different
  4101. Bob Lazar, right?
  4102.  
  4103. 848
  4104. 00:51:51,722 --> 00:51:53,033
  4105. Right. What have we learned?
  4106.  
  4107. 849
  4108. 00:51:53,068 --> 00:51:54,932
  4109. What's the message
  4110. of your story?
  4111.  
  4112. 850
  4113. 00:51:54,966 --> 00:51:59,902
  4114. The big thing is the suppression
  4115. of extremely advanced technology.
  4116.  
  4117. 851
  4118. 00:52:01,145 --> 00:52:05,805
  4119. And the suppression of
  4120. unknown science. That's it.
  4121.  
  4122. 852
  4123. 00:52:06,564 --> 00:52:09,118
  4124. Those two things,
  4125.  
  4126. 853
  4127. 00:52:09,153 --> 00:52:14,469
  4128. to me, is the only thing that's important
  4129. about what was going on out there.
  4130.  
  4131. 854
  4132. 00:52:14,503 --> 00:52:18,024
  4133. Yeah, there's
  4134. another civilization
  4135.  
  4136. 855
  4137. 00:52:19,232 --> 00:52:21,924
  4138. and, like I've said before,
  4139. that's a crime
  4140.  
  4141. 856
  4142. 00:52:21,959 --> 00:52:26,308
  4143. not to tell humanity about that,
  4144. but that's a separate thing.
  4145.  
  4146. 857
  4147. 00:52:26,343 --> 00:52:31,693
  4148. Meaning that there is something
  4149. different in science dramatically
  4150.  
  4151. 858
  4152. 00:52:31,727 --> 00:52:33,867
  4153. that we're not
  4154. allowed to know? Right.
  4155.  
  4156. 859
  4157. 00:52:35,593 --> 00:52:37,940
  4158. Right. That is a true statement?
  4159.  
  4160. 860
  4161. 00:52:37,975 --> 00:52:39,701
  4162. Yeah, that's a true statement.
  4163.  
  4164. 861
  4165. 00:52:41,358 --> 00:52:46,086
  4166. The fact that there is another intelligent,
  4167. technologically advanced civilization,
  4168.  
  4169. 862
  4170. 00:52:46,121 --> 00:52:48,054
  4171. we have some of their objects.
  4172.  
  4173. 863
  4174. 00:52:48,088 --> 00:52:50,021
  4175. That is really the pinnacle,
  4176.  
  4177. 864
  4178. 00:52:52,265 --> 00:52:55,648
  4179. that there is another
  4180. civilization in existence
  4181.  
  4182. 865
  4183. 00:52:55,682 --> 00:52:57,995
  4184. that's intelligent
  4185. that we know about.
  4186.  
  4187. 866
  4188. 00:52:58,029 --> 00:53:02,275
  4189. And we actually have artifacts
  4190. from them that can operate.
  4191.  
  4192. 867
  4193. 00:53:02,309 --> 00:53:06,072
  4194. So, I mean,
  4195. that's a big, big deal.
  4196.  
  4197. 868
  4198. 00:53:06,106 --> 00:53:09,075
  4199. But, in my mind, there's
  4200. a lot to deal with that.
  4201.  
  4202. 869
  4203. 00:53:11,284 --> 00:53:17,704
  4204. However, the science and technology
  4205. can change us dramatically,
  4206.  
  4207. 870
  4208. 00:53:17,739 --> 00:53:19,982
  4209. can change the way
  4210. the entire world operates,
  4211.  
  4212. 871
  4213. 00:53:20,017 --> 00:53:21,467
  4214. the economy, everything.
  4215.  
  4216. 872
  4217. 00:53:23,123 --> 00:53:28,025
  4218. So those stick out in my mind
  4219. as being critically important.
  4220.  
  4221. 873
  4222. 00:53:29,647 --> 00:53:32,029
  4223. And we have it? Oh, we have them.
  4224.  
  4225. 874
  4226. 00:53:33,168 --> 00:53:35,757
  4227. You don't have to believe it,
  4228. but we do.
  4229.  
  4230. 875
  4231. 00:53:36,930 --> 00:53:39,277
  4232. And you've seen it? I've seen it.
  4233.  
  4234. 876
  4235. 00:53:40,417 --> 00:53:41,797
  4236. And you've touched it?
  4237.  
  4238. 877
  4239. 00:53:41,832 --> 00:53:43,247
  4240. I've dismantled it.
  4241.  
  4242. 878
  4243. 00:53:47,527 --> 00:53:50,357
  4244. After you're exposed to it,
  4245. just for a little while,
  4246.  
  4247. 879
  4248. 00:53:50,392 --> 00:53:52,739
  4249. it begins to settle in your
  4250. mind, these are normal things.
  4251.  
  4252. 880
  4253. 00:53:52,774 --> 00:53:56,812
  4254. Like, "Okay, 115 belong there on the
  4255. chart, and these... this flies,
  4256.  
  4257. 881
  4258. 00:53:56,847 --> 00:53:58,504
  4259. and this is how gravity works,
  4260. great."
  4261.  
  4262. 882
  4263. 00:53:58,538 --> 00:54:02,956
  4264. It's like someone being...
  4265. From the 1800s being exposed
  4266.  
  4267. 883
  4268. 00:54:02,991 --> 00:54:05,994
  4269. to a car for a few days. He takes
  4270. it for granted very quickly.
  4271.  
  4272. 884
  4273. 00:54:07,513 --> 00:54:11,827
  4274. The most shocking thing was when I
  4275. actually got to look inside the disc,
  4276.  
  4277. 885
  4278. 00:54:11,862 --> 00:54:14,520
  4279. the seats in the panel
  4280. associated with them
  4281.  
  4282. 886
  4283. 00:54:14,554 --> 00:54:17,695
  4284. were very small, they were, you know,
  4285. perhaps that far off the ground.
  4286.  
  4287. 887
  4288. 00:54:17,730 --> 00:54:19,766
  4289. Like something...
  4290. Now, you've...
  4291.  
  4292. 888
  4293. 00:54:19,801 --> 00:54:24,288
  4294. If we had made something like that we
  4295. wouldn't have made it to fit children.
  4296.  
  4297. 889
  4298. 00:54:24,322 --> 00:54:26,117
  4299. It was, uh...
  4300.  
  4301. 890
  4302. 00:54:26,152 --> 00:54:28,292
  4303. It just lead me to believe,
  4304. with the size
  4305.  
  4306. 891
  4307. 00:54:28,326 --> 00:54:30,812
  4308. of the alien cadavers
  4309. that I saw,
  4310.  
  4311. 892
  4312. 00:54:31,675 --> 00:54:33,470
  4313. with the size of the seats
  4314. inside...
  4315.  
  4316. 893
  4317. 00:54:36,956 --> 00:54:41,132
  4318. Memory is a mirage
  4319. and mistress to desire,
  4320.  
  4321. 894
  4322. 00:54:43,514 --> 00:54:45,930
  4323. shapeshifting and ethereal.
  4324.  
  4325. 895
  4326. 00:54:45,965 --> 00:54:49,071
  4327. She's inherently
  4328. elusive and malleable.
  4329.  
  4330. 896
  4331. 00:54:51,522 --> 00:54:55,284
  4332. We acknowledge her if it suits
  4333. our fantasy in the moment.
  4334.  
  4335. 897
  4336. 00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:59,496
  4337. We fear her because
  4338. she's unpredictable.
  4339.  
  4340. 898
  4341. 00:55:00,945 --> 00:55:03,465
  4342. Can we trust our own memories?
  4343.  
  4344. 899
  4345. 00:55:03,500 --> 00:55:06,503
  4346. What if we can't?
  4347. What if we can?
  4348.  
  4349. 900
  4350. 00:55:07,469 --> 00:55:09,954
  4351. Can we return to
  4352. the scene of the crime
  4353.  
  4354. 901
  4355. 00:55:09,989 --> 00:55:12,543
  4356. to extract hidden details
  4357.  
  4358. 902
  4359. 00:55:12,578 --> 00:55:16,271
  4360. and to see more clearly
  4361. what we thought we saw?
  4362.  
  4363. 903
  4364. 00:55:18,445 --> 00:55:23,105
  4365. I was told... The rhythmic
  4366. shouting and the constant threats,
  4367.  
  4368. 904
  4369. 00:55:23,140 --> 00:55:25,038
  4370. that's a form of hypnosis.
  4371.  
  4372. 905
  4373. 00:55:25,073 --> 00:55:27,282
  4374. When did they...
  4375. When did this happen?
  4376.  
  4377. 906
  4378. 00:55:28,248 --> 00:55:30,181
  4379. Oh, this happened
  4380. almost immediately.
  4381.  
  4382. 907
  4383. 00:55:30,216 --> 00:55:32,287
  4384. They started yelling
  4385. and screaming at you?
  4386.  
  4387. 908
  4388. 00:55:32,321 --> 00:55:33,702
  4389. Yeah.
  4390.  
  4391. 909
  4392. 00:55:33,737 --> 00:55:36,705
  4393. Fun place to work.
  4394.  
  4395. 910
  4396. 00:55:36,740 --> 00:55:40,537
  4397. Well, no. Like I said, it was a
  4398. terrible atmosphere to work in.
  4399.  
  4400. 911
  4401. 00:55:40,571 --> 00:55:42,021
  4402. But when you weigh that
  4403.  
  4404. 912
  4405. 00:55:43,125 --> 00:55:45,265
  4406. with what you're
  4407. going to be around,
  4408.  
  4409. 913
  4410. 00:55:46,439 --> 00:55:48,441
  4411. you'll basically
  4412. go through anything.
  4413.  
  4414. 914
  4415. 00:55:48,475 --> 00:55:52,065
  4416. "Yeah, go ahead. When can we go
  4417. back to the flying saucers?"
  4418.  
  4419. 915
  4420. 00:55:54,136 --> 00:55:56,207
  4421. You did hypnosis
  4422.  
  4423. 916
  4424. 00:55:56,242 --> 00:55:59,003
  4425. Mmm-hmm. to try to recall details
  4426.  
  4427. 917
  4428. 00:55:59,038 --> 00:56:01,972
  4429. from your employment
  4430. and from the physics...
  4431.  
  4432. 918
  4433. 00:56:02,006 --> 00:56:05,044
  4434. Right....of what you learned.
  4435. Is that correct?
  4436.  
  4437. 919
  4438. 00:56:05,078 --> 00:56:07,943
  4439. Yeah, that's correct.
  4440. With Layne Keck.Okay.
  4441.  
  4442. 920
  4443. 00:56:07,978 --> 00:56:10,567
  4444. And did you recall anything?
  4445.  
  4446. 921
  4447. 00:56:10,601 --> 00:56:13,742
  4448. Yeah, I did. I mean, specifics,
  4449. things you might have missed.
  4450.  
  4451. 922
  4452. 00:56:13,777 --> 00:56:16,883
  4453. I basically wanted to try
  4454. everything I could
  4455.  
  4456. 923
  4457. 00:56:16,918 --> 00:56:18,609
  4458. to prove what I was saying.
  4459.  
  4460. 924
  4461. 00:56:18,644 --> 00:56:20,162
  4462. So this was just another tool.
  4463.  
  4464. 925
  4465. 00:56:20,197 --> 00:56:23,994
  4466. You're familiar that
  4467. hypnosis can work to recall--
  4468.  
  4469. 926
  4470. 00:56:24,028 --> 00:56:26,824
  4471. Yeah. And I had--
  4472. had it done to me before.
  4473.  
  4474. 927
  4475. 00:56:26,859 --> 00:56:30,448
  4476. So, I'd had proven that, yeah,
  4477. this really does do something.
  4478.  
  4479. 928
  4480. 00:56:30,483 --> 00:56:34,763
  4481. Let's try and remember
  4482. some fine details.
  4483.  
  4484. 929
  4485. 00:56:34,798 --> 00:56:37,663
  4486. You wanted to recall some
  4487. physics that you learned there?
  4488.  
  4489. 930
  4490. 00:56:37,697 --> 00:56:41,701
  4491. Yeah, I wanted to recall
  4492. as much as I possibly could.
  4493.  
  4494. 931
  4495. 00:56:41,736 --> 00:56:43,600
  4496. I mean, so much went
  4497. through my mind.
  4498.  
  4499. 932
  4500. 00:56:43,634 --> 00:56:46,223
  4501. Just imagine all the things
  4502. you were seeing.
  4503.  
  4504. 933
  4505. 00:56:46,257 --> 00:56:50,503
  4506. And everyone is
  4507. completely fascinating
  4508.  
  4509. 934
  4510. 00:56:50,537 --> 00:56:53,817
  4511. and something you haven't seen before.
  4512. It's just data overload.
  4513.  
  4514. 935
  4515. 00:56:53,851 --> 00:56:55,404
  4516. So I was hoping that
  4517.  
  4518. 936
  4519. 00:56:56,543 --> 00:56:58,684
  4520. hypnosis would get me
  4521. relaxed enough
  4522.  
  4523. 937
  4524. 00:56:58,718 --> 00:57:01,376
  4525. where maybe, everything
  4526. was packed so tight together,
  4527.  
  4528. 938
  4529. 00:57:01,410 --> 00:57:03,792
  4530. maybe I could just start
  4531. thumbing through things
  4532.  
  4533. 939
  4534. 00:57:03,827 --> 00:57:07,796
  4535. and just pick up even a
  4536. couple little more tidbits
  4537.  
  4538. 940
  4539. 00:57:07,831 --> 00:57:11,179
  4540. could paint a bigger
  4541. picture and I could,
  4542.  
  4543. 941
  4544. 00:57:11,213 --> 00:57:14,044
  4545. you know, possibly
  4546. explain things better.
  4547.  
  4548. 942
  4549. 00:57:14,078 --> 00:57:17,979
  4550. Or, you know, possibly locate
  4551. some of these other guys
  4552.  
  4553. 943
  4554. 00:57:18,013 --> 00:57:20,084
  4555. or anything,
  4556. any bit of information.
  4557.  
  4558. 944
  4559. 00:57:20,119 --> 00:57:22,984
  4560. So, yeah.
  4561. It was pretty handy.
  4562.  
  4563. 945
  4564. 00:57:23,018 --> 00:57:25,434
  4565. So you did recall
  4566. some things, technically--Yeah.
  4567.  
  4568. 946
  4569. 00:57:25,469 --> 00:57:26,504
  4570. Technically? Yeah.
  4571.  
  4572. 947
  4573. 00:57:26,539 --> 00:57:29,542
  4574. Technical things and
  4575. probably others too.
  4576.  
  4577. 948
  4578. 00:57:33,201 --> 00:57:36,618
  4579. More and more
  4580. hypnosis is accepted,
  4581.  
  4582. 949
  4583. 00:57:36,653 --> 00:57:40,208
  4584. however, there's still a lot
  4585. of misconceptions about it.
  4586.  
  4587. 950
  4588. 00:57:40,242 --> 00:57:42,072
  4589. Like what?
  4590.  
  4591. 951
  4592. 00:57:42,106 --> 00:57:46,214
  4593. Oh. They think that
  4594. you go into a trance
  4595.  
  4596. 952
  4597. 00:57:46,248 --> 00:57:49,320
  4598. and the hypnotist does something
  4599. and you don't remember it,
  4600.  
  4601. 953
  4602. 00:57:49,355 --> 00:57:51,460
  4603. and all of a sudden
  4604. your life changes.
  4605.  
  4606. 954
  4607. 00:57:51,495 --> 00:57:56,500
  4608. And that's not the case at all.
  4609. There's no mind control happening.
  4610.  
  4611. 955
  4612. 00:57:58,088 --> 00:58:00,400
  4613. Take a nice deep breath.
  4614.  
  4615. 956
  4616. 00:58:00,435 --> 00:58:05,026
  4617. Close your eyes
  4618. and just think relaxation.
  4619.  
  4620. 957
  4621. 00:58:08,374 --> 00:58:11,618
  4622. Now, just think about your
  4623. head and relax your head.
  4624.  
  4625. 958
  4626. 00:58:16,002 --> 00:58:18,004
  4627. Now, what I want you to do
  4628.  
  4629. 959
  4630. 00:58:18,039 --> 00:58:21,421
  4631. is to get as comfortable
  4632. as you possibly can.
  4633.  
  4634. 960
  4635. 00:58:22,112 --> 00:58:24,942
  4636. And just relax completely.
  4637.  
  4638. 961
  4639. 00:58:24,977 --> 00:58:27,462
  4640. Now, double your relaxation
  4641.  
  4642. 962
  4643. 00:58:27,496 --> 00:58:30,499
  4644. and the number 100
  4645. will be there.
  4646.  
  4647. 963
  4648. 00:58:31,431 --> 00:58:33,537
  4649. One, zero, zero.
  4650.  
  4651. 964
  4652. 00:58:34,331 --> 00:58:36,609
  4653. Double your relaxation.
  4654.  
  4655. 965
  4656. 00:58:36,643 --> 00:58:40,578
  4657. And the number 99
  4658. will come right on in.
  4659.  
  4660. 966
  4661. 00:58:43,685 --> 00:58:45,549
  4662. Bob. Bob.
  4663.  
  4664. 967
  4665. 00:58:46,343 --> 00:58:48,621
  4666. From this moment on...
  4667.  
  4668. 968
  4669. 00:58:48,655 --> 00:58:50,588
  4670. From this moment on,
  4671.  
  4672. 969
  4673. 00:58:50,623 --> 00:58:55,628
  4674. you will recall and remember
  4675. the material that you seek.
  4676.  
  4677. 970
  4678. 00:58:55,662 --> 00:59:01,047
  4679. And no one or nothing,
  4680. past, present or future
  4681.  
  4682. 971
  4683. 00:59:01,082 --> 00:59:03,084
  4684. will stand in your way.
  4685.  
  4686. 972
  4687. 00:59:03,740 --> 00:59:08,330
  4688. Bob. Bob. Bob.
  4689.  
  4690. 973
  4691. 00:59:08,365 --> 00:59:13,197
  4692. You will remember
  4693. because you desire
  4694.  
  4695. 974
  4696. 00:59:13,232 --> 00:59:16,442
  4697. to remember.
  4698.  
  4699. 975
  4700. 00:59:17,477 --> 00:59:19,100
  4701. To remember.
  4702.  
  4703. 976
  4704. 00:59:23,035 --> 00:59:24,622
  4705. At one point,
  4706.  
  4707. 977
  4708. 00:59:27,246 --> 00:59:30,318
  4709. he was in hypnosis,
  4710.  
  4711. 978
  4712. 00:59:30,352 --> 00:59:34,115
  4713. I think he was
  4714. drawing a reactor.
  4715.  
  4716. 979
  4717. 00:59:34,149 --> 00:59:36,393
  4718. He was trying to recall
  4719. what was in the books.
  4720.  
  4721. 980
  4722. 00:59:36,427 --> 00:59:40,984
  4723. He saw in the book
  4724. and then I told him,
  4725.  
  4726. 981
  4727. 00:59:41,018 --> 00:59:44,539
  4728. "Well, you'll come up and open your
  4729. eyes, and you will be able to draw."
  4730.  
  4731. 982
  4732. 00:59:44,573 --> 00:59:48,854
  4733. And he did. But it
  4734. didn't mean anything to him.
  4735.  
  4736. 983
  4737. 00:59:50,614 --> 00:59:57,000
  4738. But it was a drawing
  4739. that he drew this way.
  4740.  
  4741. 984
  4742. 00:59:57,034 --> 01:00:00,141
  4743. Oh, no way! But it was this way.
  4744.  
  4745. 985
  4746. 01:00:00,175 --> 01:00:03,558
  4747. And so afterwards,
  4748. he looked at it,
  4749.  
  4750. 986
  4751. 01:00:03,592 --> 01:00:06,837
  4752. you know, he came back over
  4753. and sat down here for a while
  4754.  
  4755. 987
  4756. 01:00:06,872 --> 01:00:10,323
  4757. and, "Oh, that's because..."
  4758. All he had to do was turn it.
  4759.  
  4760. 988
  4761. 01:00:10,358 --> 01:00:12,636
  4762. So that's the superconscious
  4763.  
  4764. 989
  4765. 01:00:12,670 --> 01:00:15,742
  4766. and literal, the subconscious
  4767. takes things literal.
  4768.  
  4769. 990
  4770. 01:00:15,777 --> 01:00:17,675
  4771. Right. Like, it's
  4772. like the mind is absorbing
  4773.  
  4774. 991
  4775. 01:00:17,710 --> 01:00:20,713
  4776. all this stuff, and then he discovers
  4777. what his mind had absorbed.
  4778.  
  4779. 992
  4780. 01:00:20,747 --> 01:00:22,888
  4781. He's remembering. Yeah.
  4782.  
  4783. 993
  4784. 01:00:22,922 --> 01:00:24,855
  4785. I was writing so fast.
  4786.  
  4787. 994
  4788. 01:00:24,890 --> 01:00:28,479
  4789. I can't imagine
  4790. what you were thinking too.
  4791.  
  4792. 995
  4793. 01:00:28,514 --> 01:00:31,931
  4794. Because you're discovering
  4795. with them that kind of shock.
  4796.  
  4797. 996
  4798. 01:00:33,001 --> 01:00:34,658
  4799. What's the truth?
  4800.  
  4801. 997
  4802. 01:00:34,692 --> 01:00:39,525
  4803. Hypnosis is the best possible
  4804. tool of getting to the truth.
  4805.  
  4806. 998
  4807. 01:00:39,559 --> 01:00:42,148
  4808. If a person makes
  4809. things up normally,
  4810.  
  4811. 999
  4812. 01:00:42,183 --> 01:00:45,911
  4813. they can lie under hypnosis just
  4814. as easily as out of hypnosis.
  4815.  
  4816. 1000
  4817. 01:00:45,945 --> 01:00:50,501
  4818. But if they're really trying to
  4819. get to and retrieve information,
  4820.  
  4821. 1001
  4822. 01:00:50,536 --> 01:00:52,814
  4823. then it's the best tool
  4824. that I know of.
  4825.  
  4826. 1002
  4827. 01:00:56,783 --> 01:00:59,648
  4828. He came in to find out
  4829. what he didn't know.
  4830.  
  4831. 1003
  4832. 01:00:59,683 --> 01:01:03,652
  4833. We were able to go back,
  4834. overcome the fear
  4835.  
  4836. 1004
  4837. 01:01:03,687 --> 01:01:05,585
  4838. and bring forth
  4839. those memories.
  4840.  
  4841. 1005
  4842. 01:01:10,936 --> 01:01:13,973
  4843. According to Lazar, his
  4844. employer was the United States Navy.
  4845.  
  4846. 1006
  4847. 01:01:14,008 --> 01:01:17,666
  4848. He says he and other government
  4849. employees would gather near EG&G,
  4850.  
  4851. 1007
  4852. 01:01:17,701 --> 01:01:20,773
  4853. fly to Groom Lake, then a very
  4854. few people would get into a bus
  4855.  
  4856. 1008
  4857. 01:01:20,807 --> 01:01:23,983
  4858. with blacked-out or no
  4859. windows and ride to S4.
  4860.  
  4861. 1009
  4862. 01:01:24,018 --> 01:01:26,710
  4863. So, you get off
  4864. the bus, what do you see?
  4865.  
  4866. 1010
  4867. 01:01:26,744 --> 01:01:31,163
  4868. It's a very interesting
  4869. building, it's got a slope
  4870.  
  4871. 1011
  4872. 01:01:31,197 --> 01:01:32,819
  4873. of probably about 30 degrees.
  4874.  
  4875. 1012
  4876. 01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:35,822
  4877. Which are hangar doors.
  4878.  
  4879. 1013
  4880. 01:01:35,857 --> 01:01:39,343
  4881. And it has textured paint on
  4882. it, but it looks like sand.
  4883.  
  4884. 1014
  4885. 01:01:39,378 --> 01:01:40,966
  4886. It's made to look like
  4887. the side of a mountain.
  4888.  
  4889. 1015
  4890. 01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:43,969
  4891. Whether to disguise it from
  4892. satellite photographs or what.
  4893.  
  4894. 1016
  4895. 01:01:44,003 --> 01:01:46,730
  4896. He says he was never
  4897. told exactly what he'd be working on
  4898.  
  4899. 1017
  4900. 01:01:46,764 --> 01:01:49,595
  4901. but figured it had something to
  4902. do with advanced propulsion.
  4903.  
  4904. 1018
  4905. 01:01:49,629 --> 01:01:52,287
  4906. On his first day, he was told
  4907. to read a series of briefings
  4908.  
  4909. 1019
  4910. 01:01:52,322 --> 01:01:55,773
  4911. and immediately realized how
  4912. advanced the propulsion was.
  4913.  
  4914. 1020
  4915. 01:01:55,808 --> 01:01:58,397
  4916. The power sources
  4917. and antimatter reactor,
  4918.  
  4919. 1021
  4920. 01:01:59,639 --> 01:02:02,504
  4921. they run gravity amplifiers.
  4922.  
  4923. 1022
  4924. 01:02:02,539 --> 01:02:05,818
  4925. There's actually two parts
  4926. to the drive mechanism.
  4927.  
  4928. 1023
  4929. 01:02:06,508 --> 01:02:08,579
  4930. Uh, it's a bizarre technology.
  4931.  
  4932. 1024
  4933. 01:02:08,614 --> 01:02:13,722
  4934. There's no physical hookup between
  4935. any of the systems in there.
  4936.  
  4937. 1025
  4938. 01:02:13,757 --> 01:02:17,795
  4939. They use gravity as a wave, using
  4940. wave guides, almost like microwaves.
  4941.  
  4942. 1026
  4943. 01:02:17,830 --> 01:02:21,765
  4944. Polygrapher Terry Tavernetti
  4945. runs a corporate security operation
  4946.  
  4947. 1027
  4948. 01:02:21,799 --> 01:02:24,319
  4949. and is a former
  4950. Los Angeles police officer.
  4951.  
  4952. 1028
  4953. 01:02:24,354 --> 01:02:26,425
  4954. He put Lazar
  4955. through four tests
  4956.  
  4957. 1029
  4958. 01:02:26,459 --> 01:02:28,772
  4959. and concluded there was
  4960. no attempt to deceive.
  4961.  
  4962. 1030
  4963. 01:02:28,806 --> 01:02:31,154
  4964. I left there
  4965. thinking that, um...
  4966.  
  4967. 1031
  4968. 01:02:31,188 --> 01:02:36,538
  4969. ...I feel we do have some credibility
  4970. to what the subject had to say.
  4971.  
  4972. 1032
  4973. 01:02:36,573 --> 01:02:38,989
  4974. And that's when I went
  4975. to some of my colleagues.
  4976.  
  4977. 1033
  4978. 01:02:39,024 --> 01:02:42,130
  4979. Tavernetti sent the
  4980. test results to a third polygrapher
  4981.  
  4982. 1034
  4983. 01:02:42,165 --> 01:02:44,063
  4984. who agreed the results
  4985. appeared truthful.
  4986.  
  4987. 1035
  4988. 01:02:46,341 --> 01:02:47,998
  4989. Bob has explained
  4990. to me multiple times,
  4991.  
  4992. 1036
  4993. 01:02:48,033 --> 01:02:51,484
  4994. he tried everything in his
  4995. power to prove his story.
  4996.  
  4997. 1037
  4998. 01:02:51,519 --> 01:02:53,279
  4999. I wanted to feel
  5000. better for myself.
  5001.  
  5002. 1038
  5003. 01:02:53,314 --> 01:02:56,627
  5004. So I said, "Hey, would you be willing
  5005. to undergo a polygraph test?"
  5006.  
  5007. 1039
  5008. 01:02:56,662 --> 01:02:58,319
  5009. He did not hesitate.
  5010. He said, "Yes."
  5011.  
  5012. 1040
  5013. 01:02:58,353 --> 01:03:02,392
  5014. Four different tests on four
  5015. different areas of Bob's claims,
  5016.  
  5017. 1041
  5018. 01:03:02,426 --> 01:03:06,016
  5019. and he said afterwards, "There was
  5020. no attempt to deceive at all."
  5021.  
  5022. 1042
  5023. 01:03:06,051 --> 01:03:08,605
  5024. He's telling what he believes
  5025. to be the truth.
  5026.  
  5027. 1043
  5028. 01:03:08,639 --> 01:03:11,090
  5029. I have asked the question
  5030. many times over the years,
  5031.  
  5032. 1044
  5033. 01:03:11,125 --> 01:03:14,576
  5034. "How did Bob Lazar know this
  5035. stuff if he wasn't there?"
  5036.  
  5037. 1045
  5038. 01:03:14,611 --> 01:03:16,164
  5039. He knew there was
  5040. a place called S4.
  5041.  
  5042. 1046
  5043. 01:03:16,199 --> 01:03:19,029
  5044. I called Dallas Air Force Base
  5045. public information office.
  5046.  
  5047. 1047
  5048. 01:03:19,064 --> 01:03:21,756
  5049. They confirmed. Told me there
  5050. really was a place called S4.
  5051.  
  5052. 1048
  5053. 01:03:21,790 --> 01:03:24,655
  5054. Now, there's no news story
  5055. prior to Bob Lazar
  5056.  
  5057. 1049
  5058. 01:03:24,690 --> 01:03:26,588
  5059. about any place called S4.
  5060.  
  5061. 1050
  5062. 01:03:26,623 --> 01:03:29,833
  5063. He knew about it.
  5064. He also knew EG&G
  5065.  
  5066. 1051
  5067. 01:03:29,867 --> 01:03:32,042
  5068. had arranged to
  5069. hire personnel,
  5070.  
  5071. 1052
  5072. 01:03:32,077 --> 01:03:35,011
  5073. that if you were going to get
  5074. a job out of Groom Lake,
  5075.  
  5076. 1053
  5077. 01:03:35,045 --> 01:03:37,496
  5078. EG&G was the company
  5079. that you would go through.
  5080.  
  5081. 1054
  5082. 01:03:37,530 --> 01:03:40,878
  5083. He knew that there had been
  5084. investigators at his home
  5085.  
  5086. 1055
  5087. 01:03:40,913 --> 01:03:43,295
  5088. for the background check,
  5089. he remembered the guy's name.
  5090.  
  5091. 1056
  5092. 01:03:43,329 --> 01:03:46,401
  5093. It was an odd name Mike Thigpen.
  5094. Now, how did he know?
  5095.  
  5096. 1057
  5097. 01:03:46,436 --> 01:03:51,096
  5098. How did he know that Mike Thigpen works for
  5099. a federal agency that does this stuff?
  5100.  
  5101. 1058
  5102. 01:03:51,130 --> 01:03:56,549
  5103. After 30 years, and this guy
  5104. dodging you, I found Mike Thigpen.
  5105.  
  5106. 1059
  5107. 01:03:56,584 --> 01:03:58,379
  5108. I found Thigpen. That's amazing.
  5109.  
  5110. 1060
  5111. 01:03:58,413 --> 01:04:01,692
  5112. I couldn't believe it.
  5113. He's on the east coast.
  5114.  
  5115. 1061
  5116. 01:04:01,727 --> 01:04:03,936
  5117. I called him, I've talked
  5118. with him multiple times.
  5119.  
  5120. 1062
  5121. 01:04:03,970 --> 01:04:07,077
  5122. You know, he won't go on camera
  5123. because he doesn't want to
  5124.  
  5125. 1063
  5126. 01:04:07,112 --> 01:04:11,047
  5127. kind of put a dark shadow upon
  5128. the work that he did before,
  5129.  
  5130. 1064
  5131. 01:04:11,081 --> 01:04:15,465
  5132. but, personally, he conveyed
  5133. to me that that was his job,
  5134.  
  5135. 1065
  5136. 01:04:15,499 --> 01:04:19,779
  5137. that was exactly what he did
  5138. in Las Vegas in 1989.
  5139.  
  5140. 1066
  5141. 01:04:19,814 --> 01:04:21,954
  5142. And, in fact,
  5143. he remembers Bob Lazar.
  5144.  
  5145. 1067
  5146. 01:04:21,988 --> 01:04:23,956
  5147. Most
  5148. important thing Bob knew
  5149.  
  5150. 1068
  5151. 01:04:23,990 --> 01:04:28,029
  5152. is that they were flying something that
  5153. looks exactly like the flying saucer
  5154.  
  5155. 1069
  5156. 01:04:28,064 --> 01:04:29,513
  5157. over Papoose Lake.
  5158.  
  5159. 1070
  5160. 01:04:29,548 --> 01:04:31,722
  5161. And they flew up
  5162. on Wednesday nights.
  5163.  
  5164. 1071
  5165. 01:04:31,757 --> 01:04:34,898
  5166. And he took people out
  5167. there three weeks in a row
  5168.  
  5169. 1072
  5170. 01:04:34,932 --> 01:04:36,762
  5171. and showed it to them.
  5172.  
  5173. 1073
  5174. 01:04:36,796 --> 01:04:40,697
  5175. And at least once, maybe twice, they
  5176. recorded it on video. That's real.
  5177.  
  5178. 1074
  5179. 01:04:40,731 --> 01:04:43,044
  5180. How did Bob know that?
  5181. There had been no stories
  5182.  
  5183. 1075
  5184. 01:04:43,079 --> 01:04:46,116
  5185. about test flights and flying
  5186. saucers at Papoose Lake.
  5187.  
  5188. 1076
  5189. 01:04:46,151 --> 01:04:49,361
  5190. And by the way, that's where it was.
  5191. It wasn't over Groom Lake,
  5192.  
  5193. 1077
  5194. 01:04:49,395 --> 01:04:50,638
  5195. it was over Papoose Lake.
  5196.  
  5197. 1078
  5198. 01:04:50,672 --> 01:04:54,193
  5199. We checked out so many
  5200. details that Bob had told us
  5201.  
  5202. 1079
  5203. 01:04:54,228 --> 01:04:55,746
  5204. that turned out to be true.
  5205.  
  5206. 1080
  5207. 01:04:55,781 --> 01:04:59,095
  5208. The existence of S4.
  5209. Element 115
  5210.  
  5211. 1081
  5212. 01:04:59,129 --> 01:05:01,476
  5213. really did become an element
  5214. years later
  5215.  
  5216. 1082
  5217. 01:05:01,511 --> 01:05:04,514
  5218. that Bob had been consulted
  5219. by the lab
  5220.  
  5221. 1083
  5222. 01:05:04,548 --> 01:05:07,689
  5223. which first synthesized
  5224. man-made element 115.
  5225.  
  5226. 1084
  5227. 01:05:07,724 --> 01:05:13,281
  5228. There was a whole long string of
  5229. things that he knew that checked out.
  5230.  
  5231. 1085
  5232. 01:05:13,316 --> 01:05:15,421
  5233. These milestones
  5234. along the way,
  5235.  
  5236. 1086
  5237. 01:05:15,456 --> 01:05:17,596
  5238. no matter how much
  5239. we nitpick it apart,
  5240.  
  5241. 1087
  5242. 01:05:17,630 --> 01:05:19,460
  5243. no matter how much people
  5244. don't want to believe it,
  5245.  
  5246. 1088
  5247. 01:05:19,494 --> 01:05:24,120
  5248. the evidence that he's telling the truth
  5249. outweighs the evidence that he's not.
  5250.  
  5251. 1089
  5252. 01:05:24,154 --> 01:05:27,053
  5253. Well, I agree with you. And
  5254. if I did not believe that,
  5255.  
  5256. 1090
  5257. 01:05:27,088 --> 01:05:29,711
  5258. I would not still be working
  5259. on the story,
  5260.  
  5261. 1091
  5262. 01:05:29,746 --> 01:05:32,128
  5263. I would not be publicly
  5264. defending Bob Lazar.
  5265.  
  5266. 1092
  5267. 01:05:38,134 --> 01:05:40,205
  5268. What was your
  5269. function at working on this,
  5270.  
  5271. 1093
  5272. 01:05:40,239 --> 01:05:42,138
  5273. you were doing what?
  5274.  
  5275. 1094
  5276. 01:05:42,172 --> 01:05:44,243
  5277. What was your job?
  5278.  
  5279. 1095
  5280. 01:05:44,278 --> 01:05:47,350
  5281. We were to
  5282. reverse-engineer
  5283.  
  5284. 1096
  5285. 01:05:47,384 --> 01:05:51,423
  5286. the power and propulsion
  5287. system of this craft
  5288.  
  5289. 1097
  5290. 01:05:51,457 --> 01:05:56,255
  5291. and see if it can be duplicated
  5292. with available materials.
  5293.  
  5294. 1098
  5295. 01:05:57,705 --> 01:06:00,121
  5296. I just want to
  5297. go over with you
  5298.  
  5299. 1099
  5300. 01:06:00,156 --> 01:06:05,126
  5301. what is it that you saw, to draw it
  5302. out for people, to make a sketch.
  5303.  
  5304. 1100
  5305. 01:06:05,161 --> 01:06:08,543
  5306. As you're seeing it, as if
  5307. you're there at that moment.
  5308.  
  5309. 1101
  5310. 01:06:08,578 --> 01:06:10,200
  5311. You've got to go
  5312. back in the past.
  5313.  
  5314. 1102
  5315. 01:06:12,444 --> 01:06:15,619
  5316. Something I termed,
  5317. the "Sport Model."
  5318.  
  5319. 1103
  5320. 01:06:16,448 --> 01:06:18,104
  5321. Underneath this floor,
  5322.  
  5323. 1104
  5324. 01:06:19,140 --> 01:06:20,624
  5325. there are three...
  5326.  
  5327. 1105
  5328. 01:06:22,799 --> 01:06:24,870
  5329. Three large
  5330. cylindrical devices.
  5331.  
  5332. 1106
  5333. 01:06:26,043 --> 01:06:28,667
  5334. These are on mounts
  5335. that allow them
  5336.  
  5337. 1107
  5338. 01:06:28,701 --> 01:06:31,670
  5339. to completely swivel
  5340. up to 180 degrees,
  5341.  
  5342. 1108
  5343. 01:06:31,704 --> 01:06:34,673
  5344. and in 360-degree rotation.
  5345.  
  5346. 1109
  5347. 01:06:34,707 --> 01:06:36,537
  5348. Directly above each one
  5349.  
  5350. 1110
  5351. 01:06:37,262 --> 01:06:39,298
  5352. is a small rectangular object.
  5353.  
  5354. 1111
  5355. 01:06:40,644 --> 01:06:42,198
  5356. This is on the floor above.
  5357.  
  5358. 1112
  5359. 01:06:43,544 --> 01:06:46,650
  5360. And these are the gravity
  5361. amplifiers themselves.
  5362.  
  5363. 1113
  5364. 01:06:47,893 --> 01:06:49,895
  5365. Looking down from the top,
  5366.  
  5367. 1114
  5368. 01:06:54,140 --> 01:06:56,764
  5369. you'd have the center.
  5370. In the very center,
  5371.  
  5372. 1115
  5373. 01:06:56,798 --> 01:06:59,284
  5374. there is a small reactor.
  5375.  
  5376. 1116
  5377. 01:07:00,802 --> 01:07:03,253
  5378. Surrounding this,
  5379.  
  5380. 1117
  5381. 01:07:03,288 --> 01:07:08,465
  5382. in three equally-spaced areas
  5383. are the amplifiers.
  5384.  
  5385. 1118
  5386. 01:07:08,500 --> 01:07:11,917
  5387. So, this is looking at it sideways, this
  5388. is looking at it down from the top.
  5389.  
  5390. 1119
  5391. 01:07:11,951 --> 01:07:16,232
  5392. And under these amplifiers,
  5393. underneath the floor below
  5394.  
  5395. 1120
  5396. 01:07:17,163 --> 01:07:18,613
  5397. are the gravity emitters.
  5398.  
  5399. 1121
  5400. 01:07:20,305 --> 01:07:24,240
  5401. So it's the reactor here
  5402. powering the gravity amplifiers.
  5403.  
  5404. 1122
  5405. 01:07:24,274 --> 01:07:29,797
  5406. Gravity amplifiers' output goes into
  5407. the gravity emitters at the bottom,
  5408.  
  5409. 1123
  5410. 01:07:29,831 --> 01:07:34,905
  5411. and the resulting gravity beam
  5412. or anti-gravity wave can be
  5413.  
  5414. 1124
  5415. 01:07:36,217 --> 01:07:38,254
  5416. pretty much put
  5417. anywhere you want to.
  5418.  
  5419. 1125
  5420. 01:07:39,289 --> 01:07:40,670
  5421. Um...
  5422.  
  5423. 1126
  5424. 01:07:40,704 --> 01:07:42,706
  5425. There was
  5426. another level up here.
  5427.  
  5428. 1127
  5429. 01:07:42,741 --> 01:07:45,399
  5430. Now, I had access
  5431. and was permitted
  5432.  
  5433. 1128
  5434. 01:07:45,433 --> 01:07:49,265
  5435. to view and look at the
  5436. operation of this main level,
  5437.  
  5438. 1129
  5439. 01:07:49,299 --> 01:07:53,303
  5440. with the gravity amplifiers
  5441. and the level below,
  5442.  
  5443. 1130
  5444. 01:07:53,338 --> 01:07:54,718
  5445. the gravity emitters.
  5446.  
  5447. 1131
  5448. 01:07:56,513 --> 01:07:59,516
  5449. There is a level above,
  5450.  
  5451. 1132
  5452. 01:07:59,551 --> 01:08:04,763
  5453. which consisted of these two areas
  5454. that I'm not all that familiar with.
  5455.  
  5456. 1133
  5457. 01:08:04,797 --> 01:08:10,941
  5458. I assume these to be some sort
  5459. of navigational engine.
  5460.  
  5461. 1134
  5462. 01:08:12,633 --> 01:08:15,187
  5463. People called these large
  5464. black rectangular areas
  5465.  
  5466. 1135
  5467. 01:08:15,221 --> 01:08:18,466
  5468. on the top "potholes,"
  5469. I believe they were
  5470.  
  5471. 1136
  5472. 01:08:18,501 --> 01:08:20,365
  5473. some planar sensor array
  5474.  
  5475. 1137
  5476. 01:08:20,399 --> 01:08:24,817
  5477. that just took in information
  5478. from the surrounding area,
  5479.  
  5480. 1138
  5481. 01:08:24,852 --> 01:08:29,857
  5482. whether it be patterns of
  5483. stars or what have you.
  5484.  
  5485. 1139
  5486. 01:08:29,891 --> 01:08:35,000
  5487. And there was their version of a computer
  5488. or something to make determinations here
  5489.  
  5490. 1140
  5491. 01:08:35,034 --> 01:08:37,071
  5492. that takes input
  5493. from those sensors
  5494.  
  5495. 1141
  5496. 01:08:37,105 --> 01:08:40,350
  5497. and then lets the craft know
  5498. how to orient itself
  5499.  
  5500. 1142
  5501. 01:08:40,385 --> 01:08:42,870
  5502. and where it was in space.
  5503.  
  5504. 1143
  5505. 01:08:42,904 --> 01:08:46,011
  5506. So, that's what I
  5507. assume to be out there.
  5508.  
  5509. 1144
  5510. 01:08:46,045 --> 01:08:49,566
  5511. I don't know for a fact, again,
  5512. that was not part of my job,
  5513.  
  5514. 1145
  5515. 01:08:49,601 --> 01:08:52,569
  5516. and I was only led
  5517. to believe that.
  5518.  
  5519. 1146
  5520. 01:08:52,604 --> 01:08:58,161
  5521. The center antenna is really an
  5522. extension of the reactor in the center.
  5523.  
  5524. 1147
  5525. 01:08:58,195 --> 01:09:02,199
  5526. And that's a wave guide
  5527. which allows
  5528.  
  5529. 1148
  5530. 01:09:02,234 --> 01:09:06,272
  5531. the emission of the gravity wave,
  5532. which forms kind of a heart-shape
  5533.  
  5534. 1149
  5535. 01:09:06,307 --> 01:09:08,827
  5536. over the whole craft.
  5537.  
  5538. 1150
  5539. 01:09:10,069 --> 01:09:12,209
  5540. That's how it creates
  5541. its distortion.
  5542.  
  5543. 1151
  5544. 01:09:14,142 --> 01:09:19,044
  5545. These gravity emitters can be swung
  5546. all the way up to 180 degrees.
  5547.  
  5548. 1152
  5549. 01:09:20,356 --> 01:09:25,395
  5550. And this allows the craft
  5551. to essentially stand
  5552.  
  5553. 1153
  5554. 01:09:25,430 --> 01:09:27,535
  5555. on two of them and hover
  5556.  
  5557. 1154
  5558. 01:09:27,570 --> 01:09:31,815
  5559. while this one swings up and creates
  5560. a distortion in front of it,
  5561.  
  5562. 1155
  5563. 01:09:31,850 --> 01:09:34,508
  5564. allowing the craft
  5565. to slide forward.
  5566.  
  5567. 1156
  5568. 01:09:34,542 --> 01:09:36,889
  5569. So that's how their
  5570. low-power mode
  5571.  
  5572. 1157
  5573. 01:09:38,201 --> 01:09:40,997
  5574. omicron configuration
  5575. operates.
  5576.  
  5577. 1158
  5578. 01:09:41,998 --> 01:09:45,242
  5579. The delta configuration
  5580. uses all three.
  5581.  
  5582. 1159
  5583. 01:09:45,277 --> 01:09:49,695
  5584. And unlike science-fiction movies
  5585. where you see flying saucers
  5586.  
  5587. 1160
  5588. 01:09:49,730 --> 01:09:51,145
  5589. just flying on like that,
  5590.  
  5591. 1161
  5592. 01:09:51,179 --> 01:09:55,391
  5593. they actually fly belly first.
  5594. The craft flies along,
  5595.  
  5596. 1162
  5597. 01:09:55,425 --> 01:09:59,843
  5598. leaves the atmosphere of the planet,
  5599. it turns its belly to the destination,
  5600.  
  5601. 1163
  5602. 01:09:59,878 --> 01:10:02,915
  5603. the three amplifiers
  5604. focus in on the destination,
  5605.  
  5606. 1164
  5607. 01:10:02,950 --> 01:10:04,469
  5608. and that's how it proceeds.
  5609.  
  5610. 1165
  5611. 01:10:06,263 --> 01:10:08,093
  5612. So that's basically
  5613. the operation of it
  5614.  
  5615. 1166
  5616. 01:10:08,127 --> 01:10:12,235
  5617. and overall how things were
  5618. laid out inside the craft.
  5619.  
  5620. 1167
  5621. 01:10:12,269 --> 01:10:14,237
  5622. This is
  5623. an alien spacecraft.
  5624.  
  5625. 1168
  5626. 01:10:14,824 --> 01:10:16,688
  5627. Right. Obviously.
  5628.  
  5629. 1169
  5630. 01:11:08,809 --> 01:11:10,535
  5631. This was the
  5632. Albuquerque Journal.
  5633.  
  5634. 1170
  5635. 01:11:10,569 --> 01:11:13,296
  5636. Is that the particle
  5637. accelerator you had? Yeah.
  5638.  
  5639. 1171
  5640. 01:11:13,330 --> 01:11:15,263
  5641. The guy that promised
  5642. not to say anything
  5643.  
  5644. 1172
  5645. 01:11:15,298 --> 01:11:17,818
  5646. that won't say anything
  5647. about the UFOs.
  5648.  
  5649. 1173
  5650. 01:11:19,509 --> 01:11:21,407
  5651. The article's titled...
  5652.  
  5653. 1174
  5654. 01:11:21,442 --> 01:11:23,099
  5655. "'UFO Guy' in Spotlight."
  5656.  
  5657. 1175
  5658. 01:11:25,239 --> 01:11:26,861
  5659. Thanks, dude.
  5660.  
  5661. 1176
  5662. 01:11:26,896 --> 01:11:30,555
  5663. Isn't that when, after this came in
  5664. there, then the fire department, police,
  5665.  
  5666. 1177
  5667. 01:11:32,108 --> 01:11:34,524
  5668. the zoning commission, everybody
  5669. descended on our house.
  5670.  
  5671. 1178
  5672. 01:11:34,559 --> 01:11:38,977
  5673. Yeah, and wanted to know who. Here's
  5674. "Lab Supplier in Controversy."
  5675.  
  5676. 1179
  5677. 01:11:39,011 --> 01:11:40,979
  5678. Oh, look at that.
  5679.  
  5680. 1180
  5681. 01:11:41,013 --> 01:11:44,292
  5682. So originally, the thing was
  5683. supposed to be about what?
  5684.  
  5685. 1181
  5686. 01:11:44,327 --> 01:11:46,225
  5687. What did the guy
  5688. say the article--
  5689.  
  5690. 1182
  5691. 01:11:46,260 --> 01:11:49,539
  5692. The hydrogen car, I think--Well, the raid.
  5693. It was about the raid.
  5694.  
  5695. 1183
  5696. 01:11:51,334 --> 01:11:52,577
  5697. This one? Yeah, that's why,
  5698.  
  5699. 1184
  5700. 01:11:52,611 --> 01:11:55,545
  5701. "Lab Supplier in Controversy."
  5702. Yeah. Oh, okay.
  5703.  
  5704. 1185
  5705. 01:11:55,580 --> 01:11:57,029
  5706. The raid in New Mexico.
  5707.  
  5708. 1186
  5709. 01:11:58,444 --> 01:12:01,896
  5710. The guy called, and he said, "Hey, I
  5711. heard about the raid and all that.
  5712.  
  5713. 1187
  5714. 01:12:01,931 --> 01:12:04,071
  5715. Can I come and do that?"
  5716.  
  5717. 1188
  5718. 01:12:04,105 --> 01:12:07,661
  5719. And then he says, "Are you
  5720. Bob Lazar, the Area 51 guy?"
  5721.  
  5722. 1189
  5723. 01:12:07,695 --> 01:12:09,870
  5724. I said, "Yeah,
  5725.  
  5726. 1190
  5727. 01:12:09,904 --> 01:12:13,183
  5728. but I don't want to get into that,
  5729. this is something more important."
  5730.  
  5731. 1191
  5732. 01:12:13,218 --> 01:12:16,290
  5733. He said, "Oh, yeah, we won't
  5734. even mention it, no problem."
  5735.  
  5736. 1192
  5737. 01:12:16,324 --> 01:12:19,569
  5738. Literally, your house
  5739. was taken over by a SWAT team?
  5740.  
  5741. 1193
  5742. 01:12:19,604 --> 01:12:20,984
  5743. Yeah.Yes.
  5744.  
  5745. 1194
  5746. 01:12:21,019 --> 01:12:24,125
  5747. They don't just send a letter
  5748. in the mail or call us.
  5749.  
  5750. 1195
  5751. 01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:27,888
  5752. Right. Have the whole SWAT team
  5753.  
  5754. 1196
  5755. 01:12:28,820 --> 01:12:30,546
  5756. invite themselves
  5757. to our home.
  5758.  
  5759. 1197
  5760. 01:12:32,099 --> 01:12:34,929
  5761. Hidden things
  5762. are the most seductive.
  5763.  
  5764. 1198
  5765. 01:12:34,964 --> 01:12:38,588
  5766. Secrets reach
  5767. deep into our desire.
  5768.  
  5769. 1199
  5770. 01:12:38,623 --> 01:12:43,006
  5771. They titillate and torment us
  5772. like a ticking clock
  5773.  
  5774. 1200
  5775. 01:12:43,041 --> 01:12:45,871
  5776. or a distant alarm
  5777. with no origin.
  5778.  
  5779. 1201
  5780. 01:12:45,906 --> 01:12:48,667
  5781. They agitate us
  5782. and force us to react.
  5783.  
  5784. 1202
  5785. 01:12:48,702 --> 01:12:51,187
  5786. They endanger
  5787. our complacency.
  5788.  
  5789. 1203
  5790. 01:12:53,016 --> 01:12:55,916
  5791. There was a missing element
  5792. to your faith.
  5793.  
  5794. 1204
  5795. 01:12:55,950 --> 01:12:57,607
  5796. But that's the
  5797. nature of faith,
  5798.  
  5799. 1205
  5800. 01:12:58,953 --> 01:13:01,507
  5801. that there is something
  5802. out there that hovers
  5803.  
  5804. 1206
  5805. 01:13:01,542 --> 01:13:04,269
  5806. and promises salvation.
  5807.  
  5808. 1207
  5809. 01:13:04,303 --> 01:13:08,169
  5810. Your call has been forwarded
  5811. to an automated voice messaging system.
  5812.  
  5813. 1208
  5814. 01:13:08,204 --> 01:13:10,482
  5815. At the tone,
  5816. please record your message.
  5817.  
  5818. 1209
  5819. 01:13:12,242 --> 01:13:15,107
  5820. Hey, Jeremy,
  5821. it's Bob Lazar.
  5822.  
  5823. 1210
  5824. 01:13:15,142 --> 01:13:17,040
  5825. Listen. I have
  5826. something to ask you.
  5827.  
  5828. 1211
  5829. 01:13:17,075 --> 01:13:20,734
  5830. Something's really come up
  5831. that's important.
  5832.  
  5833. 1212
  5834. 01:13:20,768 --> 01:13:23,184
  5835. If you would text me
  5836.  
  5837. 1213
  5838. 01:13:23,219 --> 01:13:25,911
  5839. and let me know when is a
  5840. good time to call you,
  5841.  
  5842. 1214
  5843. 01:13:25,946 --> 01:13:28,396
  5844. I don't want you to call me.
  5845.  
  5846. 1215
  5847. 01:13:28,431 --> 01:13:30,709
  5848. I just need to run
  5849. something by you,
  5850.  
  5851. 1216
  5852. 01:13:30,744 --> 01:13:32,228
  5853. okay? Thanks, bye.
  5854.  
  5855. 1217
  5856. 01:13:39,131 --> 01:13:42,065
  5857. All right. So the
  5858. only record of this
  5859.  
  5860. 1218
  5861. 01:13:42,100 --> 01:13:45,103
  5862. is going to be on the audio
  5863. on this one file
  5864.  
  5865. 1219
  5866. 01:13:45,137 --> 01:13:47,795
  5867. and then this video clip,
  5868. I'm not going to cut it.
  5869.  
  5870. 1220
  5871. 01:13:47,830 --> 01:13:49,314
  5872. I'm going to let it run.Understood.
  5873.  
  5874. 1221
  5875. 01:13:49,348 --> 01:13:51,696
  5876. Okay. And then what I'm going
  5877. to do is to encrypt it,
  5878.  
  5879. 1222
  5880. 01:13:51,730 --> 01:13:55,216
  5881. and then I'm going to put both of those
  5882. two files into an encrypted thing
  5883.  
  5884. 1223
  5885. 01:13:55,251 --> 01:13:57,978
  5886. to not be touched unless we
  5887. decide it should be touched.
  5888.  
  5889. 1224
  5890. 01:13:58,012 --> 01:13:59,842
  5891. Yeah, that's fine.Okay.
  5892.  
  5893. 1225
  5894. 01:13:59,876 --> 01:14:03,328
  5895. It'll be on two drives. But those two files
  5896. will both be in an encrypted folder.
  5897.  
  5898. 1226
  5899. 01:14:05,226 --> 01:14:06,642
  5900. So here's the deal.
  5901.  
  5902. 1227
  5903. 01:14:12,509 --> 01:14:16,099
  5904. Did you ever get a piece of
  5905. element 115 out of Los Alamos?
  5906.  
  5907. 1228
  5908. 01:14:20,103 --> 01:14:22,692
  5909. ...I don't know how much
  5910. monitoring they do with me.
  5911.  
  5912. 1229
  5913. 01:14:22,727 --> 01:14:25,522
  5914. I'm sure it's virtually none
  5915. after all this time.
  5916.  
  5917. 1230
  5918. 01:14:25,557 --> 01:14:27,973
  5919. The same thing--Hold on a second.
  5920.  
  5921. 1231
  5922. 01:14:28,008 --> 01:14:30,217
  5923. Do you have your phone on you? Yes.
  5924.  
  5925. 1232
  5926. 01:14:30,251 --> 01:14:32,426
  5927. Let's, at this point,
  5928.  
  5929. 1233
  5930. 01:14:32,460 --> 01:14:35,740
  5931. take our phone... Let me put
  5932. them on the ground over there.
  5933.  
  5934. 1234
  5935. 01:14:35,774 --> 01:14:37,224
  5936. I'll turn mine off.
  5937.  
  5938. 1235
  5939. 01:14:43,023 --> 01:14:46,302
  5940. I mean, maybe this has been
  5941. kept from us for a good reason.
  5942.  
  5943. 1236
  5944. 01:14:46,336 --> 01:14:49,477
  5945. A lot of people agree
  5946. to keep this secret.
  5947.  
  5948. 1237
  5949. 01:14:49,512 --> 01:14:52,273
  5950. So, first of all,
  5951. who am I to upset it?
  5952.  
  5953. 1238
  5954. 01:14:52,308 --> 01:14:55,138
  5955. And second of all, who am I
  5956. to outthink these guys.
  5957.  
  5958. 1239
  5959. 01:14:55,173 --> 01:14:57,520
  5960. Maybe they went over
  5961. all these scenarios already,
  5962.  
  5963. 1240
  5964. 01:14:57,554 --> 01:15:00,592
  5965. and they know how fucked
  5966. up everything will be.
  5967.  
  5968. 1241
  5969. 01:15:00,626 --> 01:15:03,146
  5970. So, there's no guarantee
  5971. that this revelation
  5972.  
  5973. 1242
  5974. 01:15:03,181 --> 01:15:04,941
  5975. is going to make
  5976. everything great.
  5977.  
  5978. 1243
  5979. 01:15:04,976 --> 01:15:07,979
  5980. There's just as much chance it's
  5981. going to make everything terrible
  5982.  
  5983. 1244
  5984. 01:15:08,013 --> 01:15:09,601
  5985. and I'll be to
  5986. blame for that.
  5987.  
  5988. 1245
  5989. 01:15:16,194 --> 01:15:19,507
  5990. They identified
  5991. themselves as FBI
  5992.  
  5993. 1246
  5994. 01:15:19,542 --> 01:15:22,234
  5995. and they said,
  5996. "You're Bob Lazar, right?"
  5997.  
  5998. 1247
  5999. 01:15:22,269 --> 01:15:24,996
  6000. And, you know, one of them
  6001. got on the radio
  6002.  
  6003. 1248
  6004. 01:15:25,030 --> 01:15:26,825
  6005. saying, "Yeah, he's here."
  6006.  
  6007. 1249
  6008. 01:15:26,860 --> 01:15:30,691
  6009. Apparently, they also had
  6010. my house staked out.
  6011.  
  6012. 1250
  6013. 01:15:30,726 --> 01:15:35,213
  6014. And they were deciding
  6015. whether or not to go there.
  6016.  
  6017. 1251
  6018. 01:15:35,247 --> 01:15:39,700
  6019. The conveyor belt
  6020. of vehicles and agents
  6021.  
  6022. 1252
  6023. 01:15:39,735 --> 01:15:43,739
  6024. and police did not stop.
  6025. The whole thing...
  6026.  
  6027. 1253
  6028. 01:15:43,773 --> 01:15:46,534
  6029. It was like
  6030. aTwilight Zone episode.
  6031.  
  6032. 1254
  6033. 01:15:46,569 --> 01:15:49,503
  6034. They came in and they said, "There'll
  6035. be a few other people coming here,
  6036.  
  6037. 1255
  6038. 01:15:49,537 --> 01:15:52,126
  6039. just got a couple
  6040. of questions to ask you."
  6041.  
  6042. 1256
  6043. 01:15:52,161 --> 01:15:55,751
  6044. In a short time, the street
  6045. filled up with vehicles
  6046.  
  6047. 1257
  6048. 01:15:55,785 --> 01:15:59,409
  6049. and the building completely
  6050. filled with agents.
  6051.  
  6052. 1258
  6053. 01:15:59,444 --> 01:16:01,239
  6054. It was really something else.
  6055.  
  6056. 1259
  6057. 01:16:01,273 --> 01:16:04,035
  6058. Did they identify
  6059. themselves initially--
  6060.  
  6061. 1260
  6062. 01:16:04,069 --> 01:16:06,382
  6063. Yeah, it was FBI,
  6064. identified themselves.
  6065.  
  6066. 1261
  6067. 01:16:06,416 --> 01:16:09,626
  6068. Then came in state police
  6069.  
  6070. 1262
  6071. 01:16:09,661 --> 01:16:12,526
  6072. and a few other agencies,
  6073. I don't remember who.
  6074.  
  6075. 1263
  6076. 01:16:14,873 --> 01:16:17,324
  6077. But, there were a lot.
  6078. Awful lot.
  6079.  
  6080. 1264
  6081. 01:16:17,358 --> 01:16:20,258
  6082. Standing room only in the
  6083. building. It was crazy.
  6084.  
  6085. 1265
  6086. 01:16:20,292 --> 01:16:23,640
  6087. They had like a forensic truck,
  6088. they had a bunch of different agents,
  6089.  
  6090. 1266
  6091. 01:16:23,675 --> 01:16:27,058
  6092. they gridded off the building.
  6093. I mean, obviously,
  6094.  
  6095. 1267
  6096. 01:16:27,092 --> 01:16:28,680
  6097. they were looking
  6098. for something.
  6099.  
  6100. 1268
  6101. 01:16:28,714 --> 01:16:32,615
  6102. Yeah. And what they said, they
  6103. were looking into some paperwork,
  6104.  
  6105. 1269
  6106. 01:16:32,649 --> 01:16:38,241
  6107. an old order from two years ago
  6108. about a customer that, you know,
  6109.  
  6110. 1270
  6111. 01:16:38,276 --> 01:16:40,623
  6112. ordered some
  6113. potentially toxic material,
  6114.  
  6115. 1271
  6116. 01:16:41,624 --> 01:16:45,179
  6117. which they could
  6118. have called for.
  6119.  
  6120. 1272
  6121. 01:16:45,214 --> 01:16:48,182
  6122. But this was certainly way
  6123. over-the-top.
  6124.  
  6125. 1273
  6126. 01:16:48,217 --> 01:16:52,980
  6127. I looked up to select the right key
  6128. and they were right beside me.
  6129.  
  6130. 1274
  6131. 01:16:53,015 --> 01:16:55,017
  6132. It was quite surprising,
  6133.  
  6134. 1275
  6135. 01:16:55,051 --> 01:16:57,536
  6136. considering you can see all
  6137. around here,
  6138.  
  6139. 1276
  6140. 01:16:57,571 --> 01:17:00,643
  6141. and there-- generally would have to be
  6142. a vehicle or something Somewhere...
  6143.  
  6144. 1277
  6145. 01:17:00,677 --> 01:17:03,301
  6146. But I just pulled up,
  6147. got out, picked the key,
  6148.  
  6149. 1278
  6150. 01:17:03,335 --> 01:17:08,444
  6151. and they started talking from behind me.
  6152. I thought that was really strange.
  6153.  
  6154. 1279
  6155. 01:17:08,478 --> 01:17:10,653
  6156. Of course, it got much
  6157. stranger as the day went on.
  6158.  
  6159. 1280
  6160. 01:17:10,687 --> 01:17:12,482
  6161. What got
  6162. stranger about it?
  6163.  
  6164. 1281
  6165. 01:17:12,517 --> 01:17:16,866
  6166. Well, just the sheer amount
  6167. of people that came.
  6168.  
  6169. 1282
  6170. 01:17:17,729 --> 01:17:19,869
  6171. Agency after agency.
  6172.  
  6173. 1283
  6174. 01:17:19,904 --> 01:17:23,148
  6175. I mean, they had computer
  6176. experts here going through,
  6177.  
  6178. 1284
  6179. 01:17:23,183 --> 01:17:25,426
  6180. you know, all the computer
  6181. equipment we had here,
  6182.  
  6183. 1285
  6184. 01:17:25,461 --> 01:17:28,533
  6185. and they had people
  6186. sectioning off the building,
  6187.  
  6188. 1286
  6189. 01:17:28,567 --> 01:17:33,331
  6190. labeling it in cubic meters
  6191. so they can search each one.
  6192.  
  6193. 1287
  6194. 01:17:33,365 --> 01:17:36,852
  6195. You know, what they were looking
  6196. for was just an order form.
  6197.  
  6198. 1288
  6199. 01:17:38,750 --> 01:17:39,924
  6200. So, very strange.
  6201.  
  6202. 1289
  6203. 01:18:01,359 --> 01:18:05,121
  6204. You've been raided two times? Twice.
  6205.  
  6206. 1290
  6207. 01:18:05,156 --> 01:18:07,744
  6208. By more agencies than I can
  6209. really recall.
  6210.  
  6211. 1291
  6212. 01:18:07,779 --> 01:18:11,162
  6213. The FDA to the NRC,
  6214.  
  6215. 1292
  6216. 01:18:11,196 --> 01:18:14,613
  6217. the FBI, but they
  6218. usually come en masse.
  6219.  
  6220. 1293
  6221. 01:18:14,648 --> 01:18:16,857
  6222. And it's hard to
  6223. pick out who's who.
  6224.  
  6225. 1294
  6226. 01:18:18,410 --> 01:18:20,757
  6227. So this is beryllium? Yeah.
  6228.  
  6229. 1295
  6230. 01:18:21,897 --> 01:18:23,622
  6231. And what is it used for again?
  6232.  
  6233. 1296
  6234. 01:18:23,657 --> 01:18:26,349
  6235. It's used in aerospace,
  6236. it's very lightweight.
  6237.  
  6238. 1297
  6239. 01:18:28,938 --> 01:18:30,388
  6240. Quite strong...
  6241.  
  6242. 1298
  6243. 01:18:32,217 --> 01:18:34,840
  6244. And high-temperature metal.
  6245.  
  6246. 1299
  6247. 01:18:34,875 --> 01:18:37,464
  6248. Do you think that
  6249. you were shaken down...
  6250.  
  6251. 1300
  6252. 01:18:37,498 --> 01:18:39,569
  6253. To some degree you're being fucked with?
  6254.  
  6255. 1301
  6256. 01:18:39,604 --> 01:18:41,502
  6257. I don't think they're
  6258. just fucking with me.
  6259.  
  6260. 1302
  6261. 01:18:41,537 --> 01:18:43,953
  6262. I am convinced there's
  6263. ulterior motives.
  6264.  
  6265. 1303
  6266. 01:18:43,988 --> 01:18:48,958
  6267. I firmly suspect
  6268. that there's a lot more to it
  6269.  
  6270. 1304
  6271. 01:18:48,993 --> 01:18:52,858
  6272. than they're saying.
  6273. That they're looking for
  6274.  
  6275. 1305
  6276. 01:18:52,893 --> 01:18:54,032
  6277. something else.
  6278.  
  6279. 1306
  6280. 01:18:57,346 --> 01:18:59,003
  6281. What they're supposed to do
  6282.  
  6283. 1307
  6284. 01:18:59,037 --> 01:19:01,971
  6285. is tie you up, put you
  6286. in the middle of the room,
  6287.  
  6288. 1308
  6289. 01:19:02,006 --> 01:19:05,009
  6290. have everyone watching you
  6291. so that, you know,
  6292.  
  6293. 1309
  6294. 01:19:05,043 --> 01:19:09,185
  6295. collaborate a story or, you know,
  6296. try to trick them or what not.
  6297.  
  6298. 1310
  6299. 01:19:09,220 --> 01:19:12,223
  6300. So they just kept us all
  6301. in separate rooms.
  6302.  
  6303. 1311
  6304. 01:19:12,257 --> 01:19:15,364
  6305. There's bomb squad,
  6306. computer squad...
  6307.  
  6308. 1312
  6309. 01:19:15,398 --> 01:19:18,229
  6310. I think they had
  6311. like a biological hazard squad,
  6312.  
  6313. 1313
  6314. 01:19:18,263 --> 01:19:20,714
  6315. hazmat squad,
  6316. everything, the full gamut.
  6317.  
  6318. 1314
  6319. 01:19:20,748 --> 01:19:24,338
  6320. 'Cause they had no idea
  6321. what we had in our shop
  6322.  
  6323. 1315
  6324. 01:19:24,373 --> 01:19:25,753
  6325. or, like, what
  6326. we're capable of,
  6327.  
  6328. 1316
  6329. 01:19:25,788 --> 01:19:28,377
  6330. or are we going to retaliate
  6331. or anything like that.
  6332.  
  6333. 1317
  6334. 01:19:28,411 --> 01:19:30,966
  6335. So, it was pretty much
  6336. the full Michigan FBI was here.
  6337.  
  6338. 1318
  6339. 01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:34,762
  6340. I mean, they had the van, they
  6341. had multiple cars lined up,
  6342.  
  6343. 1319
  6344. 01:19:34,797 --> 01:19:36,316
  6345. you know, so...
  6346.  
  6347. 1320
  6348. 01:19:36,350 --> 01:19:39,975
  6349. I mean, looking at Bob's
  6350. life, there's always this suspicion
  6351.  
  6352. 1321
  6353. 01:19:40,009 --> 01:19:43,495
  6354. that there's something more
  6355. going on on shaking him down
  6356.  
  6357. 1322
  6358. 01:19:43,530 --> 01:19:45,739
  6359. because he had that
  6360. experience before.Yeah.
  6361.  
  6362. 1323
  6363. 01:19:45,773 --> 01:19:48,293
  6364. Yeah, so this was the
  6365. second time that I know of
  6366.  
  6367. 1324
  6368. 01:19:48,328 --> 01:19:52,297
  6369. that he's gotten raided, so he's
  6370. always had, like, this kind of
  6371.  
  6372. 1325
  6373. 01:19:52,332 --> 01:19:55,473
  6374. knowledge that there's somebody
  6375. watching, no matter what he does.
  6376.  
  6377. 1326
  6378. 01:19:55,507 --> 01:19:57,337
  6379. There's always somebody
  6380. watching you.
  6381.  
  6382. 1327
  6383. 01:19:57,371 --> 01:20:00,685
  6384. And it does have to be related to,
  6385. what, the Area 51 stuff and all that.
  6386.  
  6387. 1328
  6388. 01:20:00,719 --> 01:20:02,928
  6389. You know, they kind of
  6390. put him on the list.
  6391.  
  6392. 1329
  6393. 01:20:02,963 --> 01:20:05,414
  6394. I think they do like toying with
  6395. him and keeping an eye on him.
  6396.  
  6397. 1330
  6398. 01:20:05,448 --> 01:20:07,968
  6399. But I don't believe
  6400. that it's like
  6401.  
  6402. 1331
  6403. 01:20:08,003 --> 01:20:10,039
  6404. they're opening up a 30-year-old
  6405. file and they're like,
  6406.  
  6407. 1332
  6408. 01:20:10,074 --> 01:20:12,041
  6409. "All right, we're going to
  6410. crack down on the Bob story.
  6411.  
  6412. 1333
  6413. 01:20:12,076 --> 01:20:14,112
  6414. We're going to find out what he had,
  6415. what more information he's got."
  6416.  
  6417. 1334
  6418. 01:20:14,147 --> 01:20:16,425
  6419. I don't think that they're
  6420. necessarily doing that,
  6421.  
  6422. 1335
  6423. 01:20:16,459 --> 01:20:18,806
  6424. but I do think that there's,
  6425. like, a culture,
  6426.  
  6427. 1336
  6428. 01:20:18,841 --> 01:20:21,326
  6429. maybe within these agencies.
  6430. They know who this guy is.
  6431.  
  6432. 1337
  6433. 01:20:21,361 --> 01:20:24,709
  6434. And they'll have, you know... They'll
  6435. look for any reason that they can
  6436.  
  6437. 1338
  6438. 01:20:24,743 --> 01:20:27,436
  6439. to kind of, you know,
  6440. poke him with some thorns
  6441.  
  6442. 1339
  6443. 01:20:27,470 --> 01:20:29,921
  6444. and make sure that he knows
  6445. who's watching him.
  6446.  
  6447. 1340
  6448. 01:20:30,301 --> 01:20:31,543
  6449. I believe that.
  6450.  
  6451. 1341
  6452. 01:20:31,578 --> 01:20:35,375
  6453. It's too coincidental
  6454. for it all to be just
  6455.  
  6456. 1342
  6457. 01:20:35,409 --> 01:20:39,448
  6458. some luck of the draw, basically.
  6459. Like, there's something going on.
  6460.  
  6461. 1343
  6462. 01:20:43,176 --> 01:20:45,247
  6463. Everybody
  6464. knows the story is
  6465.  
  6466. 1344
  6467. 01:20:45,281 --> 01:20:49,699
  6468. that you guys had element 115 at Los
  6469. Alamos, that's public knowledge.
  6470.  
  6471. 1345
  6472. 01:20:49,734 --> 01:20:52,047
  6473. Something you said
  6474. a while back.
  6475.  
  6476. 1346
  6477. 01:20:52,081 --> 01:20:55,464
  6478. Do you think that what
  6479. happened had to do with that?
  6480.  
  6481. 1347
  6482. 01:20:55,498 --> 01:20:56,913
  6483. We are not going there.
  6484.  
  6485. 1348
  6486. 01:21:04,197 --> 01:21:09,271
  6487. Are they trying to
  6488. shake you down to find the 115
  6489.  
  6490. 1349
  6491. 01:21:09,305 --> 01:21:11,687
  6492. that you said, 30 years ago,
  6493. that you got out of the lab?
  6494.  
  6495. 1350
  6496. 01:21:11,721 --> 01:21:13,551
  6497. People are going to ask that.
  6498.  
  6499. 1351
  6500. 01:21:13,585 --> 01:21:15,587
  6501. Yeah. So let's just address that.
  6502.  
  6503. 1352
  6504. 01:21:16,485 --> 01:21:18,728
  6505. If you feel comfortable
  6506. addressing it...
  6507.  
  6508. 1353
  6509. 01:21:18,763 --> 01:21:19,729
  6510. No.
  6511.  
  6512. 1354
  6513. 01:21:19,764 --> 01:21:21,386
  6514. You do not feel comfortable
  6515. addressing it?
  6516.  
  6517. 1355
  6518. 01:21:21,421 --> 01:21:23,871
  6519. No, I don't feel comfortable
  6520. addressing it.
  6521.  
  6522. 1356
  6523. 01:21:29,222 --> 01:21:32,777
  6524. You would think after 30
  6525. years, who cares what I have to say?
  6526.  
  6527. 1357
  6528. 01:21:48,310 --> 01:21:53,315
  6529. I'm more convinced than ever that the
  6530. key to the story is element 115.
  6531.  
  6532. 1358
  6533. 01:21:53,349 --> 01:21:55,351
  6534. If you could
  6535. get to that piece
  6536.  
  6537. 1359
  6538. 01:21:55,386 --> 01:21:57,560
  6539. and have it
  6540. independently analyzed,
  6541.  
  6542. 1360
  6543. 01:21:57,595 --> 01:22:01,599
  6544. I think it would prove beyond all question
  6545. that it came from somewhere else.
  6546.  
  6547. 1361
  6548. 01:22:01,633 --> 01:22:03,428
  6549. We didn't make it.
  6550.  
  6551. 1362
  6552. 01:22:03,463 --> 01:22:07,501
  6553. And it would go a long way to establishing
  6554. the story that was told by Bob Lazar
  6555.  
  6556. 1363
  6557. 01:22:07,536 --> 01:22:09,572
  6558. as truth, so I think
  6559. about that a lot.
  6560.  
  6561. 1364
  6562. 01:22:09,607 --> 01:22:11,643
  6563. I think about
  6564. the cloud chamber experiment.
  6565.  
  6566. 1365
  6567. 01:22:11,678 --> 01:22:14,508
  6568. I get a lot of emails
  6569. from people who say,
  6570.  
  6571. 1366
  6572. 01:22:14,543 --> 01:22:16,545
  6573. "Oh, God. Where is this video?
  6574. You owe it to the world
  6575.  
  6576. 1367
  6577. 01:22:16,579 --> 01:22:18,409
  6578. to show this video,
  6579. cough it up."
  6580.  
  6581. 1368
  6582. 01:22:18,443 --> 01:22:20,169
  6583. And I tell them,
  6584. "Look, I've looked for it,
  6585.  
  6586. 1369
  6587. 01:22:20,204 --> 01:22:24,139
  6588. I've got all these boxes
  6589. of crap and stuff and tape
  6590.  
  6591. 1370
  6592. 01:22:24,173 --> 01:22:27,383
  6593. and news clippings, and I've looked
  6594. for it and I can't find it."
  6595.  
  6596. 1371
  6597. 01:22:27,418 --> 01:22:31,801
  6598. But when somebody like you comes and
  6599. talks to me about the Bob Lazar story,
  6600.  
  6601. 1372
  6602. 01:22:31,836 --> 01:22:35,840
  6603. it gets the juices flowing, you know.
  6604. I can't help it, I'm human.
  6605.  
  6606. 1373
  6607. 01:22:35,874 --> 01:22:38,705
  6608. And right now, I want
  6609. to go find that tape.
  6610.  
  6611. 1374
  6612. 01:22:39,844 --> 01:22:41,811
  6613. I went through every tape
  6614.  
  6615. 1375
  6616. 01:22:41,846 --> 01:22:43,848
  6617. that Bob had in his
  6618. personal home archive
  6619.  
  6620. 1376
  6621. 01:22:43,882 --> 01:22:49,198
  6622. and one of those tapes on the outside
  6623. in tiny, tiny little scribble
  6624.  
  6625. 1377
  6626. 01:22:49,233 --> 01:22:50,510
  6627. said, "cloud chamber."
  6628.  
  6629. 1378
  6630. 01:22:50,544 --> 01:22:52,408
  6631. And lo and behold,
  6632.  
  6633. 1379
  6634. 01:22:52,443 --> 01:22:59,001
  6635. there's about just less than a minute
  6636. of that cloud chamber test on tape.
  6637.  
  6638. 1380
  6639. 01:22:59,035 --> 01:23:00,520
  6640. I have it.
  6641.  
  6642. 1381
  6643. 01:23:00,554 --> 01:23:02,280
  6644. People have been so
  6645. pissed at me over the years
  6646.  
  6647. 1382
  6648. 01:23:02,315 --> 01:23:04,420
  6649. that I can't find that tape, or if
  6650. they think I'm hiding it on purpose.
  6651.  
  6652. 1383
  6653. 01:23:04,455 --> 01:23:06,560
  6654. But I've looked everywhere
  6655. for it.
  6656.  
  6657. 1384
  6658. 01:23:06,595 --> 01:23:08,390
  6659. And if you've found it,
  6660. that's awesome.
  6661.  
  6662. 1385
  6663. 01:23:08,424 --> 01:23:13,291
  6664. I did. Now here's the deal in
  6665. typical, you know, Bob-Lazar fashion,
  6666.  
  6667. 1386
  6668. 01:23:13,326 --> 01:23:15,051
  6669. there's only about
  6670. a minute of it.
  6671.  
  6672. 1387
  6673. 01:23:15,086 --> 01:23:18,952
  6674. However, after all these years, 30
  6675. years, we have some footage of it.
  6676.  
  6677. 1388
  6678. 01:23:18,986 --> 01:23:22,473
  6679. But it doesn't prove shit,
  6680. because it's recorded over--
  6681.  
  6682. 1389
  6683. 01:23:22,507 --> 01:23:26,097
  6684. I was there the night that they
  6685. did the cloud chamber test.
  6686.  
  6687. 1390
  6688. 01:23:26,131 --> 01:23:30,239
  6689. I couldn't tell you what it was, I
  6690. didn't know what a cloud chamber was.
  6691.  
  6692. 1391
  6693. 01:23:30,274 --> 01:23:32,241
  6694. This "beam" of light was bent.
  6695.  
  6696. 1392
  6697. 01:23:32,276 --> 01:23:35,244
  6698. And it was bent
  6699. because they had element 115
  6700.  
  6701. 1393
  6702. 01:23:35,279 --> 01:23:37,177
  6703. in as part of the experiment.
  6704.  
  6705. 1394
  6706. 01:23:37,212 --> 01:23:40,491
  6707. Well, that's pretty important, that
  6708. would be huge to include in the story.
  6709.  
  6710. 1395
  6711. 01:23:40,525 --> 01:23:44,080
  6712. I spent time trying to understand
  6713. why everybody was saying
  6714.  
  6715. 1396
  6716. 01:23:44,115 --> 01:23:46,807
  6717. this 115 being stabilized
  6718. is pseudoscience.
  6719.  
  6720. 1397
  6721. 01:23:46,842 --> 01:23:51,053
  6722. So I called some of the top
  6723. heavy-element physicists on the planet
  6724.  
  6725. 1398
  6726. 01:23:51,087 --> 01:23:55,747
  6727. from Russia to up in San
  6728. Francisco to Washington, DC.
  6729.  
  6730. 1399
  6731. 01:23:55,782 --> 01:23:58,578
  6732. And I spoke with, you know,
  6733. about eight or nine,
  6734.  
  6735. 1400
  6736. 01:23:58,612 --> 01:24:02,720
  6737. but three in particular who had really
  6738. talked to me in depth about it.
  6739.  
  6740. 1401
  6741. 01:24:02,754 --> 01:24:07,069
  6742. All of them, across the board,
  6743. said, "You cannot rule out
  6744.  
  6745. 1402
  6746. 01:24:07,103 --> 01:24:10,624
  6747. a stabilized version
  6748. of element 115.
  6749.  
  6750. 1403
  6751. 01:24:10,659 --> 01:24:14,283
  6752. In fact, that we
  6753. believe it is theorized
  6754.  
  6755. 1404
  6756. 01:24:14,318 --> 01:24:17,804
  6757. that in the island of stability,
  6758. that it would and could
  6759.  
  6760. 1405
  6761. 01:24:17,838 --> 01:24:19,323
  6762. and probably does exist."
  6763.  
  6764. 1406
  6765. 01:24:19,357 --> 01:24:22,015
  6766. So their way of saying is,
  6767. "We can't rule it out."
  6768.  
  6769. 1407
  6770. 01:24:22,049 --> 01:24:24,983
  6771. So, all the people saying
  6772. that is pseudoscience,
  6773.  
  6774. 1408
  6775. 01:24:25,018 --> 01:24:28,159
  6776. what Bob said about element
  6777. 115, I wanted to find out
  6778.  
  6779. 1409
  6780. 01:24:28,193 --> 01:24:29,609
  6781. is it pseudoscience?
  6782.  
  6783. 1410
  6784. 01:24:29,643 --> 01:24:34,372
  6785. And definitively, we cannot rule out
  6786. a stabilized form of element 115.
  6787.  
  6788. 1411
  6789. 01:24:34,407 --> 01:24:36,995
  6790. I'm sorry, it is not
  6791. pseudoscience.
  6792.  
  6793. 1412
  6794. 01:24:37,030 --> 01:24:39,308
  6795. And after doing
  6796. this research,
  6797.  
  6798. 1413
  6799. 01:24:39,343 --> 01:24:42,346
  6800. you know, that argument
  6801. no longer holds water.
  6802.  
  6803. 1414
  6804. 01:24:42,380 --> 01:24:45,003
  6805. Makes perfect sense
  6806. that it could be stable.
  6807.  
  6808. 1415
  6809. 01:24:45,038 --> 01:24:47,696
  6810. And scientists have said it
  6811. for a long time.
  6812.  
  6813. 1416
  6814. 01:24:47,730 --> 01:24:49,801
  6815. So, of course you
  6816. can't rule it out.
  6817.  
  6818. 1417
  6819. 01:24:49,836 --> 01:24:53,218
  6820. Again, if you want to
  6821. disbelieve Bob,
  6822.  
  6823. 1418
  6824. 01:24:53,253 --> 01:24:57,292
  6825. if you want to cross him off
  6826. the list and say he's a fraud,
  6827.  
  6828. 1419
  6829. 01:24:57,326 --> 01:25:00,674
  6830. then your research goes
  6831. one inch deep,
  6832.  
  6833. 1420
  6834. 01:25:00,709 --> 01:25:04,575
  6835. and you say element 115 as he
  6836. described it, can't exist,
  6837.  
  6838. 1421
  6839. 01:25:04,609 --> 01:25:06,508
  6840. and then move on.
  6841.  
  6842. 1422
  6843. 01:25:06,542 --> 01:25:11,444
  6844. If you want to be honest about it and
  6845. dig further into it and understand it,
  6846.  
  6847. 1423
  6848. 01:25:11,478 --> 01:25:16,034
  6849. then you're going to find out that, in
  6850. fact, what Bob says does make sense,
  6851.  
  6852. 1424
  6853. 01:25:16,069 --> 01:25:17,312
  6854. it can be true.
  6855.  
  6856. 1425
  6857. 01:25:26,251 --> 01:25:29,185
  6858. Element 115 was
  6859. what we would call the fuel
  6860.  
  6861. 1426
  6862. 01:25:29,220 --> 01:25:32,119
  6863. that provided the power
  6864. for the reactor to work.
  6865.  
  6866. 1427
  6867. 01:25:32,154 --> 01:25:34,674
  6868. What happens
  6869. with gravity and 115?
  6870.  
  6871. 1428
  6872. 01:25:34,708 --> 01:25:37,193
  6873. Element 115 affects gravity.
  6874.  
  6875. 1429
  6876. 01:25:37,228 --> 01:25:42,164
  6877. Element 115 produces
  6878. its own gravitational energy.
  6879.  
  6880. 1430
  6881. 01:25:42,198 --> 01:25:45,443
  6882. It had a very specific
  6883. manufacturing technique.
  6884.  
  6885. 1431
  6886. 01:25:45,478 --> 01:25:49,447
  6887. I don't really know how that
  6888. information came to be.
  6889.  
  6890. 1432
  6891. 01:25:50,966 --> 01:25:56,178
  6892. Its code name
  6893. was "LA 1000."
  6894.  
  6895. 1433
  6896. 01:25:57,317 --> 01:26:00,078
  6897. That's what it was
  6898. referred to off-site.
  6899.  
  6900. 1434
  6901. 01:26:00,562 --> 01:26:02,978
  6902. Its purpose
  6903.  
  6904. 1435
  6905. 01:26:03,012 --> 01:26:07,500
  6906. was supposed to be, again, this
  6907. is just a code in deception,
  6908.  
  6909. 1436
  6910. 01:26:07,534 --> 01:26:10,330
  6911. was supposed to be
  6912. an advanced armor.
  6913.  
  6914. 1437
  6915. 01:26:11,918 --> 01:26:15,715
  6916. So, it's not a usual material, so now
  6917. we can take it to a national lab.
  6918.  
  6919. 1438
  6920. 01:26:15,749 --> 01:26:20,892
  6921. This is LA 1000, classified material,
  6922. it's a very advanced armor.
  6923.  
  6924. 1439
  6925. 01:26:20,927 --> 01:26:23,239
  6926. That takes care of all
  6927. the weird questions.
  6928.  
  6929. 1440
  6930. 01:26:23,274 --> 01:26:26,415
  6931. So, you know, you immediately
  6932. start operating on lies.
  6933.  
  6934. 1441
  6935. 01:26:27,589 --> 01:26:28,969
  6936. This...
  6937.  
  6938. 1442
  6939. 01:26:31,696 --> 01:26:33,077
  6940. fuel
  6941.  
  6942. 1443
  6943. 01:26:33,974 --> 01:26:36,356
  6944. is in the form of a...
  6945.  
  6946. 1444
  6947. 01:26:38,945 --> 01:26:43,467
  6948. just a three-dimensional thin
  6949. triangle, little rounded edges.
  6950.  
  6951. 1445
  6952. 01:26:43,501 --> 01:26:46,918
  6953. It's somewhat copper in color.
  6954.  
  6955. 1446
  6956. 01:26:46,953 --> 01:26:50,439
  6957. You know that
  6958. reddish brownish...
  6959.  
  6960. 1447
  6961. 01:26:50,474 --> 01:26:53,787
  6962. The way this is manufactured
  6963. is really critical.
  6964.  
  6965. 1448
  6966. 01:26:53,822 --> 01:26:57,826
  6967. It's not just cut out
  6968. of a heavy sheet of material.
  6969.  
  6970. 1449
  6971. 01:26:58,723 --> 01:27:03,383
  6972. A cylinder of this
  6973. material is taken.
  6974.  
  6975. 1450
  6976. 01:27:04,695 --> 01:27:07,283
  6977. This is machined
  6978.  
  6979. 1451
  6980. 01:27:08,043 --> 01:27:11,978
  6981. into a cone. So this is...
  6982.  
  6983. 1452
  6984. 01:27:12,012 --> 01:27:15,671
  6985. The outer part is shaved off using
  6986. a lathe or something like that,
  6987.  
  6988. 1453
  6989. 01:27:15,706 --> 01:27:18,847
  6990. until you have a
  6991. three-dimensional cone.
  6992.  
  6993. 1454
  6994. 01:27:20,055 --> 01:27:21,505
  6995. Once you have the cone...
  6996.  
  6997. 1455
  6998. 01:27:25,198 --> 01:27:26,441
  6999. it's sliced...
  7000.  
  7001. 1456
  7002. 01:27:29,133 --> 01:27:30,237
  7003. like this.
  7004.  
  7005. 1457
  7006. 01:27:32,170 --> 01:27:35,967
  7007. And these slices become that.
  7008.  
  7009. 1458
  7010. 01:27:36,002 --> 01:27:40,006
  7011. Now, even this
  7012. starting piece,
  7013.  
  7014. 1459
  7015. 01:27:40,040 --> 01:27:43,561
  7016. the solid cylinder,
  7017. is not even a solid cylinder.
  7018.  
  7019. 1460
  7020. 01:27:43,596 --> 01:27:48,497
  7021. It consists of many discs
  7022. stacked up.
  7023.  
  7024. 1461
  7025. 01:27:50,913 --> 01:27:53,502
  7026. And these are fused together
  7027. to produce that.
  7028.  
  7029. 1462
  7030. 01:27:53,537 --> 01:27:57,955
  7031. And all of these steps are necessary
  7032. to produce a successful triangle
  7033.  
  7034. 1463
  7035. 01:27:57,989 --> 01:28:01,579
  7036. that makes fuel. So, actually,
  7037. you know, if you were
  7038.  
  7039. 1464
  7040. 01:28:01,614 --> 01:28:05,445
  7041. to look at how this came to
  7042. be, this would actually be
  7043.  
  7044. 1465
  7045. 01:28:05,480 --> 01:28:10,864
  7046. pieces of all these discs that
  7047. were cut at unusual angles.
  7048.  
  7049. 1466
  7050. 01:28:12,970 --> 01:28:15,317
  7051. Now, apparently,
  7052. if you don't do all this,
  7053.  
  7054. 1467
  7055. 01:28:15,351 --> 01:28:17,008
  7056. that doesn't work.
  7057.  
  7058. 1468
  7059. 01:28:18,562 --> 01:28:21,150
  7060. Unfortunately, that's the
  7061. extent of my knowledge on this.
  7062.  
  7063. 1469
  7064. 01:28:21,185 --> 01:28:24,740
  7065. This makes no sense anywhere.
  7066.  
  7067. 1470
  7068. 01:28:24,775 --> 01:28:28,503
  7069. But, that's what it takes
  7070. for it to operate.
  7071.  
  7072. 1471
  7073. 01:28:28,537 --> 01:28:31,506
  7074. Now, with the alien technology
  7075. that was present in the craft,
  7076.  
  7077. 1472
  7078. 01:28:32,645 --> 01:28:35,475
  7079. it takes that basis,
  7080.  
  7081. 1473
  7082. 01:28:35,510 --> 01:28:39,375
  7083. that extra gravitational
  7084. energy in a small reactor
  7085.  
  7086. 1474
  7087. 01:28:40,376 --> 01:28:44,588
  7088. amplifies it through the
  7089. equipment there,
  7090.  
  7091. 1475
  7092. 01:28:45,899 --> 01:28:48,833
  7093. directs it through
  7094. the wave guides and archways
  7095.  
  7096. 1476
  7097. 01:28:48,868 --> 01:28:50,386
  7098. into the emitters
  7099.  
  7100. 1477
  7101. 01:28:51,318 --> 01:28:54,563
  7102. and allows it to
  7103. propel the craft
  7104.  
  7105. 1478
  7106. 01:28:54,598 --> 01:28:58,947
  7107. and manipulate the gravity wave
  7108. for whatever use they want.
  7109.  
  7110. 1479
  7111. 01:29:03,607 --> 01:29:06,471
  7112. How can this be true?
  7113. I don't believe a word of this.
  7114.  
  7115. 1480
  7116. 01:29:06,506 --> 01:29:08,715
  7117. But you expect people
  7118. to believe this?
  7119.  
  7120. 1481
  7121. 01:29:08,750 --> 01:29:11,822
  7122. No, I'm not going to change anyone's mind.
  7123. That's not my intention.
  7124.  
  7125. 1482
  7126. 01:29:11,856 --> 01:29:16,102
  7127. I'm just relaying the experience,
  7128. the job that I went through.
  7129.  
  7130. 1483
  7131. 01:29:17,137 --> 01:29:19,588
  7132. It is a fantastic thing.
  7133. It's a fantastic story.
  7134.  
  7135. 1484
  7136. 01:29:19,623 --> 01:29:20,865
  7137. But it's true?
  7138.  
  7139. 1485
  7140. 01:29:20,900 --> 01:29:23,558
  7141. It's true. These crafts
  7142. came from another...
  7143.  
  7144. 1486
  7145. 01:29:23,592 --> 01:29:26,733
  7146. Not just another planet,
  7147. another solar system entirely.
  7148.  
  7149. 1487
  7150. 01:29:26,768 --> 01:29:28,839
  7151. Extremely far away.
  7152.  
  7153. 1488
  7154. 01:29:28,873 --> 01:29:30,392
  7155. And they're here.
  7156.  
  7157. 1489
  7158. 01:29:40,540 --> 01:29:44,302
  7159. I mean, I've been making
  7160. fireworks since I was 12.
  7161.  
  7162. 1490
  7163. 01:29:44,337 --> 01:29:47,512
  7164. And professional fireworks
  7165. for at least 20 years.
  7166.  
  7167. 1491
  7168. 01:29:47,547 --> 01:29:52,414
  7169. Fireworks aren't just fun, they're
  7170. artistic. It's like painting the sky.
  7171.  
  7172. 1492
  7173. 01:29:52,448 --> 01:29:57,246
  7174. Controlling a large amount of
  7175. energy has always been impressive.
  7176.  
  7177. 1493
  7178. 01:29:57,281 --> 01:29:59,110
  7179. SinceThe New
  7180. York Times story broke,
  7181.  
  7182. 1494
  7183. 01:29:59,145 --> 01:30:03,494
  7184. since Lou Elizondo came forward,
  7185. sending those videos, went public,
  7186.  
  7187. 1495
  7188. 01:30:03,528 --> 01:30:07,671
  7189. the world is now talking about
  7190. UFOs in a more serious vein.
  7191.  
  7192. 1496
  7193. 01:30:07,705 --> 01:30:10,708
  7194. I think that's a good thing and
  7195. I think it reflects positively
  7196.  
  7197. 1497
  7198. 01:30:10,743 --> 01:30:12,503
  7199. on Bob Lazar's story.
  7200.  
  7201. 1498
  7202. 01:30:12,537 --> 01:30:15,679
  7203. And I hope that the world
  7204. will take another look at it.
  7205.  
  7206. 1499
  7207. 01:30:17,370 --> 01:30:20,718
  7208. That's the jet
  7209. bike, the jet car...
  7210.  
  7211. 1500
  7212. 01:30:20,753 --> 01:30:23,479
  7213. Yeah, to take, you know,
  7214. a large amount of energy
  7215.  
  7216. 1501
  7217. 01:30:23,514 --> 01:30:26,413
  7218. which would normally be
  7219. thought to be out of control,
  7220.  
  7221. 1502
  7222. 01:30:26,448 --> 01:30:30,210
  7223. to take that and harness it
  7224. and have it do what you want
  7225.  
  7226. 1503
  7227. 01:30:30,245 --> 01:30:32,385
  7228. has always been
  7229. impressive to me.
  7230.  
  7231. 1504
  7232. 01:30:32,419 --> 01:30:36,527
  7233. The easy way out is to say,
  7234. "He's a liar, he's making it up."
  7235.  
  7236. 1505
  7237. 01:30:36,561 --> 01:30:39,668
  7238. It's hard to go ahead
  7239. and accept the possibility
  7240.  
  7241. 1506
  7242. 01:30:39,703 --> 01:30:41,705
  7243. that he's telling the truth.
  7244.  
  7245. 1507
  7246. 01:30:41,739 --> 01:30:44,604
  7247. But if I did not believe it,
  7248.  
  7249. 1508
  7250. 01:30:44,639 --> 01:30:47,987
  7251. if I thought for a moment
  7252. that he was lying about it,
  7253.  
  7254. 1509
  7255. 01:30:48,021 --> 01:30:49,367
  7256. I'd be done with it.
  7257.  
  7258. 1510
  7259. 01:30:49,402 --> 01:30:51,991
  7260. I wouldn't still be
  7261. supporting it 30 years later.
  7262.  
  7263. 1511
  7264. 01:30:53,061 --> 01:30:55,580
  7265. Your life has
  7266. been under a microscope.
  7267.  
  7268. 1512
  7269. 01:30:55,615 --> 01:30:59,170
  7270. Every word you said for 30 years
  7271. recorded has been under a microscope,
  7272.  
  7273. 1513
  7274. 01:30:59,205 --> 01:31:01,034
  7275. and that's affected you.
  7276.  
  7277. 1514
  7278. 01:31:01,069 --> 01:31:02,726
  7279. Yeah, of course it has.
  7280. It would affect anybody.
  7281.  
  7282. 1515
  7283. 01:31:02,760 --> 01:31:05,142
  7284. How has it affected you?
  7285.  
  7286. 1516
  7287. 01:31:05,176 --> 01:31:07,144
  7288. In the way I talk
  7289. and how much I do.
  7290.  
  7291. 1517
  7292. 01:31:07,178 --> 01:31:11,596
  7293. I'd rather not, you know, in a public
  7294. forum, I'd rather just not say anything.
  7295.  
  7296. 1518
  7297. 01:31:11,631 --> 01:31:13,702
  7298. Why do you think
  7299. people are so obsessed
  7300.  
  7301. 1519
  7302. 01:31:13,737 --> 01:31:18,431
  7303. with every word that you say
  7304. about your experiences?
  7305.  
  7306. 1520
  7307. 01:31:18,465 --> 01:31:22,677
  7308. They're just looking for a way
  7309. to look for an inaccuracy
  7310.  
  7311. 1521
  7312. 01:31:22,711 --> 01:31:24,886
  7313. and to be able
  7314. to discount the whole thing.
  7315.  
  7316. 1522
  7317. 01:31:24,920 --> 01:31:28,337
  7318. "Oh, he said this one time, and said
  7319. it slightly different this time.
  7320.  
  7321. 1523
  7322. 01:31:28,372 --> 01:31:29,960
  7323. You know, obviously,
  7324. he's making it up."
  7325.  
  7326. 1524
  7327. 01:31:29,994 --> 01:31:32,963
  7328. You know, that's just the first
  7329. word that entered my mind.
  7330.  
  7331. 1525
  7332. 01:31:32,997 --> 01:31:36,691
  7333. You know, I don't put that much
  7334. thought into what I'm saying.
  7335.  
  7336. 1526
  7337. 01:31:40,004 --> 01:31:43,732
  7338. Look, as much as
  7339. a lot of people hate it,
  7340.  
  7341. 1527
  7342. 01:31:43,767 --> 01:31:45,700
  7343. this stuff really happened.
  7344.  
  7345. 1528
  7346. 01:31:45,734 --> 01:31:48,806
  7347. I mean, if it bothers you,
  7348. that's too bad.
  7349.  
  7350. 1529
  7351. 01:31:48,841 --> 01:31:51,740
  7352. I think that's just hard
  7353. for people to accept. I mean, so--
  7354.  
  7355. 1530
  7356. 01:31:51,775 --> 01:31:54,709
  7357. Yeah, it would be, right...
  7358. I fully understand.
  7359.  
  7360. 1531
  7361. 01:31:54,743 --> 01:31:56,089
  7362. I would feel the same way.
  7363.  
  7364. 1532
  7365. 01:31:56,124 --> 01:31:58,091
  7366. I'm not sure
  7367. I would believe my story.
  7368.  
  7369. 1533
  7370. 01:31:58,126 --> 01:32:00,507
  7371. "Boy, there's not enough
  7372. evidence," you know,
  7373.  
  7374. 1534
  7375. 01:32:01,301 --> 01:32:02,924
  7376. but I couldn't
  7377. discount it either.
  7378.  
  7379. 1535
  7380. 01:32:02,958 --> 01:32:06,686
  7381. The fact is, the people that
  7382. know him best believe him the most.
  7383.  
  7384. 1536
  7385. 01:32:06,721 --> 01:32:12,002
  7386. I hope that one thing that comes
  7387. across in your film is the real Bob.
  7388.  
  7389. 1537
  7390. 01:32:12,036 --> 01:32:16,800
  7391. Once you get to know him, it becomes
  7392. much more plausible as a story.
  7393.  
  7394. 1538
  7395. 01:32:16,834 --> 01:32:21,218
  7396. He's not lying to his mom and
  7397. his wife and all his friends.
  7398.  
  7399. 1539
  7400. 01:32:21,252 --> 01:32:23,807
  7401. He's not lying to the UFO
  7402. world either.
  7403.  
  7404. 1540
  7405. 01:32:23,841 --> 01:32:26,188
  7406. You saw alien ships? Yeah.
  7407.  
  7408. 1541
  7409. 01:32:26,223 --> 01:32:28,950
  7410. You worked on a gravity wave
  7411. amplification system,
  7412.  
  7413. 1542
  7414. 01:32:28,984 --> 01:32:30,123
  7415. trying to figure it out?
  7416.  
  7417. 1543
  7418. 01:32:30,158 --> 01:32:32,229
  7419. Right, a propulsion system
  7420. and a power source
  7421.  
  7422. 1544
  7423. 01:32:32,263 --> 01:32:34,645
  7424. that's completely
  7425. unknown to mankind.
  7426.  
  7427. 1545
  7428. 01:32:34,679 --> 01:32:36,716
  7429. And there's no way human
  7430. beings could have made it?
  7431.  
  7432. 1546
  7433. 01:32:36,751 --> 01:32:38,545
  7434. There is no way human
  7435. beings could have made it,
  7436.  
  7437. 1547
  7438. 01:32:38,580 --> 01:32:42,757
  7439. under any circumstances in any
  7440. country anywhere. Period.
  7441.  
  7442. 1548
  7443. 01:32:42,791 --> 01:32:45,725
  7444. And for 30 years, you are
  7445. telling us the truth?
  7446.  
  7447. 1549
  7448. 01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:47,002
  7449. You bet.
  7450.  
  7451. 1550
  7452. 01:32:47,037 --> 01:32:49,108
  7453. This shit happened? You got it.
  7454.  
  7455. 1551
  7456. 01:32:49,142 --> 01:32:53,319
  7457. You know, the fact is that that
  7458. raid that happened back in Michigan,
  7459.  
  7460. 1552
  7461. 01:32:53,353 --> 01:32:56,563
  7462. that's a very dramatic and a
  7463. very important development.
  7464.  
  7465. 1553
  7466. 01:32:56,598 --> 01:32:58,565
  7467. They weren't there
  7468. looking for records
  7469.  
  7470. 1554
  7471. 01:32:58,600 --> 01:33:01,465
  7472. about some customer
  7473. he had a couple of years ago,
  7474.  
  7475. 1555
  7476. 01:33:01,499 --> 01:33:03,778
  7477. they were looking for 115.
  7478.  
  7479. 1556
  7480. 01:33:03,812 --> 01:33:07,160
  7481. When you bring two dozen
  7482. agents and investigators
  7483.  
  7484. 1557
  7485. 01:33:07,195 --> 01:33:09,922
  7486. and crime lab analysts,
  7487.  
  7488. 1558
  7489. 01:33:09,956 --> 01:33:14,029
  7490. you can bring people to duplicate the
  7491. whole computer and all that stuff,
  7492.  
  7493. 1559
  7494. 01:33:14,064 --> 01:33:16,549
  7495. they're looking
  7496. for something else.
  7497.  
  7498. 1560
  7499. 01:33:16,583 --> 01:33:20,449
  7500. They're sure as hell are not
  7501. looking for a minor receipt.
  7502.  
  7503. 1561
  7504. 01:33:21,726 --> 01:33:25,247
  7505. People may not believe that 115
  7506. is real, but somebody does,
  7507.  
  7508. 1562
  7509. 01:33:25,282 --> 01:33:27,422
  7510. 'cause that's what they
  7511. came to look for.
  7512.  
  7513. 1563
  7514. 01:33:27,456 --> 01:33:31,771
  7515. You know, if you want to cross it off
  7516. and you don't want to believe it, fine.
  7517.  
  7518. 1564
  7519. 01:33:31,806 --> 01:33:34,256
  7520. I don't care anymore whether
  7521. people believe it or not.
  7522.  
  7523. 1565
  7524. 01:33:34,291 --> 01:33:35,913
  7525. But Bob's telling the truth.
  7526.  
  7527. 1566
  7528. 01:33:35,948 --> 01:33:39,606
  7529. And once you realize that, it
  7530. changes everything for you.
  7531.  
  7532. 1567
  7533. 01:33:40,538 --> 01:33:42,195
  7534. It changed everything for me.
  7535.  
  7536. 1568
  7537. 01:33:48,477 --> 01:33:51,515
  7538. To crack a life
  7539. open at its seams,
  7540.  
  7541. 1569
  7542. 01:33:51,549 --> 01:33:55,277
  7543. to dissect and examine its
  7544. contents is unnerving.
  7545.  
  7546. 1570
  7547. 01:33:55,312 --> 01:33:58,315
  7548. Like the reading of omens
  7549. by viewing the entrails.
  7550.  
  7551. 1571
  7552. 01:34:00,869 --> 01:34:02,664
  7553. We all tell our own stories.
  7554.  
  7555. 1572
  7556. 01:34:03,596 --> 01:34:06,012
  7557. And sometimes we
  7558. even believe them.
  7559.  
  7560. 1573
  7561. 01:34:06,047 --> 01:34:07,462
  7562. And sometimes,
  7563.  
  7564. 1574
  7565. 01:34:08,497 --> 01:34:10,637
  7566. we tell them one last time.
  7567.  
  7568. 1575
  7569. 01:34:12,329 --> 01:34:15,815
  7570. If you don't believe it,
  7571. that's your problem.
  7572.  
  7573. 1576
  7574. 01:34:17,679 --> 01:34:20,544
  7575. What you do with
  7576. that is up to you.
  7577.  
  7578. 1577
  7579. 01:34:27,931 --> 01:34:30,899
  7580. Well, I am telling the truth.
  7581.  
  7582. 1578
  7583. 01:34:30,934 --> 01:34:34,869
  7584. I've tried to prove that.
  7585. What's going on up there
  7586.  
  7587. 1579
  7588. 01:34:34,903 --> 01:34:37,872
  7589. could be the most important
  7590. event in history.
  7591.  
  7592. 1580
  7593. 01:34:37,906 --> 01:34:42,635
  7594. You're talking about contact,
  7595. physical contact
  7596.  
  7597. 1581
  7598. 01:34:42,669 --> 01:34:47,467
  7599. and proof from another system, another
  7600. planet, another intelligence.
  7601.  
  7602. 1582
  7603. 01:34:47,502 --> 01:34:50,712
  7604. That's got to be the biggest
  7605. event in history. Period.
  7606.  
  7607. 1583
  7608. 01:34:50,746 --> 01:34:54,129
  7609. And it's real.
  7610. It's real and it's there.
  7611.  
  7612. 1584
  7613. 01:34:54,164 --> 01:34:57,788
  7614. And I had an extremely
  7615. small part in it,
  7616.  
  7617. 1585
  7618. 01:34:57,822 --> 01:35:00,929
  7619. but I'm convinced that what I
  7620. saw is absolute proof of that.
  7621.  
  7622. 1586
  7623. 01:35:00,964 --> 01:35:03,794
  7624. There is no way we could have
  7625. created those systems.
  7626.  
  7627. 1587
  7628. 01:35:03,828 --> 01:35:06,348
  7629. There's no way we could have made
  7630. the discs, the power supplies,
  7631.  
  7632. 1588
  7633. 01:35:06,383 --> 01:35:07,832
  7634. anything to go with it.
  7635.  
  7636. 1589
  7637. 01:35:09,282 --> 01:35:13,286
  7638. Lazar says he has no intention of
  7639. going on any UFO lecture circuit.
  7640.  
  7641. 1590
  7642. 01:35:13,321 --> 01:35:15,702
  7643. He's not looking to do
  7644. any additional interviews.
  7645.  
  7646. 1591
  7647. 01:35:15,737 --> 01:35:17,912
  7648. In fact, he wasn't too crazy
  7649. about doing this one.
  7650.  
  7651. 1592
  7652. 01:35:17,946 --> 01:35:20,362
  7653. He did it after certain
  7654. unfavorable things
  7655.  
  7656. 1593
  7657. 01:35:20,397 --> 01:35:21,950
  7658. started happening
  7659. in his life.
  7660.  
  7661. 1594
  7662. 01:35:21,985 --> 01:35:24,608
  7663. And he did it because he feels
  7664. that whoever is running the show
  7665.  
  7666. 1595
  7667. 01:35:24,642 --> 01:35:28,094
  7668. up at S4 is perpetrating a
  7669. fraud on the American people
  7670.  
  7671. 1596
  7672. 01:35:28,129 --> 01:35:29,889
  7673. and on the
  7674. scientific community.
  7675.  
  7676. 1597
  7677. 01:35:29,924 --> 01:35:32,478
  7678. We intend to have much
  7679. more about this story,
  7680.  
  7681. 1598
  7682. 01:35:32,512 --> 01:35:35,136
  7683. about the operation up there
  7684. on Monday and beyond.
  7685.  
  7686. 1599
  7687. 01:35:35,170 --> 01:35:37,724
  7688. This is by no means the end
  7689. of this series of reports.
  7690.  
  7691. 1600
  7692. 01:35:37,759 --> 01:35:40,141
  7693. In fact, on Monday,
  7694. including in our story there,
  7695.  
  7696. 1601
  7697. 01:35:40,175 --> 01:35:44,248
  7698. supporting testimony from other
  7699. people who say they have knowledge
  7700.  
  7701. 1602
  7702. 01:35:44,283 --> 01:35:45,940
  7703. of the flying discs
  7704. at the test site
  7705.  
  7706. 1603
  7707. 01:35:45,974 --> 01:35:49,219
  7708. and information from people
  7709. who know Lazar very well
  7710.  
  7711. 1604
  7712. 01:35:49,253 --> 01:35:50,599
  7713. and insist
  7714. his story is true.
  7715.  
  7716. 1605
  7717. 01:35:50,634 --> 01:35:52,739
  7718. Even if they have
  7719. these flying saucers, George,
  7720.  
  7721. 1606
  7722. 01:35:52,774 --> 01:35:55,225
  7723. it seems like it would be really
  7724. hard to keep it so secret.
  7725.  
  7726. 1607
  7727. 01:35:55,259 --> 01:35:57,468
  7728. Well, yeah, it would
  7729. seem that way.
  7730.  
  7731. 1608
  7732. 01:35:57,503 --> 01:36:00,023
  7733. Except for as Lazar
  7734. asked his superiors up there,
  7735.  
  7736. 1609
  7737. 01:36:00,057 --> 01:36:02,094
  7738. and they say it's the easiest
  7739. secret in the world to keep.
  7740.  
  7741. 1610
  7742. 01:36:02,128 --> 01:36:05,752
  7743. It's leaked out many times
  7744. before and nobody believes it.
  7745.  
  7746. 1611
  7747. 01:36:05,787 --> 01:36:07,962
  7748. But what's the Navy saying
  7749. about all of this?
  7750.  
  7751. 1612
  7752. 01:36:07,996 --> 01:36:10,654
  7753. Well, of course, the Navy is
  7754. supposed to have been his employer,
  7755.  
  7756. 1613
  7757. 01:36:10,688 --> 01:36:13,760
  7758. and we have... some fairly
  7759. pointed questions to them.
  7760.  
  7761. 1614
  7762. 01:36:13,795 --> 01:36:16,315
  7763. Of course, number one,
  7764. it may not be the Navy at all.
  7765.  
  7766. 1615
  7767. 01:36:16,349 --> 01:36:18,489
  7768. Information is so
  7769. compartmentalized up there,
  7770.  
  7771. 1616
  7772. 01:36:18,524 --> 01:36:20,629
  7773. no one is exactly sure
  7774. who is in charge.
  7775.  
  7776. 1617
  7777. 01:36:20,664 --> 01:36:23,667
  7778. We have put the questions
  7779. to several Navy departments,
  7780.  
  7781. 1618
  7782. 01:36:23,701 --> 01:36:26,325
  7783. the answers, thus far,
  7784. have been unsatisfactory.
  7785.  
  7786. 1619
  7787. 01:36:26,359 --> 01:36:29,914
  7788. We've applied for more information
  7789. through the Freedom of Information Act.
  7790.  
  7791. 1620
  7792. 01:36:29,949 --> 01:36:32,676
  7793. And that information will be
  7794. revealed on Monday as well.
  7795.  
  7796. 1621
  7797. 01:36:32,710 --> 01:36:34,505
  7798. You believe his story,
  7799. don't you?
  7800.  
  7801. 1622
  7802. 01:36:34,540 --> 01:36:38,199
  7803. Yeah, I do. Yeah, I got to know him pretty
  7804. well over the last couple of months,
  7805.  
  7806. 1623
  7807. 01:36:38,233 --> 01:36:41,064
  7808. and I believe he's
  7809. telling the truth.
  7810.  
  7811. 1624
  7812. 01:36:41,098 --> 01:36:43,342
  7813. Fascinating stuff. Thanks, George.
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